Sony is coming out with the PlayStation Classic, but the only one doing retro games and backward compatibility right is Microsoft's Xbox One.
They made a lot of dumb decisions this generation, mostly before Spencer. But the two things I think they've done right are their backwards compatibility stance and cloud saves. I still couldn't believe I was playing Panzer Dragoon Orta the other day on the x with udpated graphics. It was a surreal treat, and best of all free, given that I still had my copy. And even without a gold membership, every game save is automatically uploaded to the cloud. They've been doing that since the 360. Which is why if you own a 360 digital game and it shows up on the download list once it's compatible, you can pick up where you left off in your last game save, so long as you were connected to Live the last time you played it.
Xbox BC is an amazing feature. Not charging you $100 to play 20 old games with no way of getting more, instead choosing to allow you to download updated games for free, like you said, ones you could just continue playing from where you left off, is an amazing feature that all 3 companies should support.
Xbox doesn’t even have 20 year old games. Nothing worth re-playing before the 360. If they did, they could talk.
@trouble, krib said "20 old games" (as in those on the ps1 classic) not 20 year old games. RIF: reading is fundamental. And yes there are lots of og classic xbox games still worth playing like stubbs the zombie, outrun 2, gun valkyrie, quantum redshift, bloodwake, crimson skies, mech assault, ninja gaiden black. The list goes on.
Did Xbox exist 20 years ago? NO! Yeah reading IS fundamental LMFAO! I’m not quoting him. Show me the quotations! Listen younglings, I’m saying they don’t have games or a legacy OLD ENOUGH to WARRANT a classic mini of their own. PS1 is from what, mid 90’s? Xbox’s prime is 10 years ago. Too soon. All the games you listed there? GWG at best.
well it is 17 years old so it is still closer to 20 than nothing. And PS1 came out in JP in 94 and rotw in 95 so you are still wrong in your assessment. nice edit there trouble. didnt want to get into anymore trouble i see.... ;)
No I’m not wrong. You are, thinking I quoted kribwalker and going all “reading is fundamental.” Own it EDIT: I edited out a couple exclamation marks because it looked too dramatic and changed the ps1 release date guess from 97/98 to mid 90’s since i forgot. It CHANGES NOTHING ABOUT WHAT I SAID! I also moved a quotation mark. You grammar policing hard today eh?
And it'll only cost you between $250-500, plus the cost of games assuming you don't actually have the original games to begin with. The mini's are a different product meant for a different market. Anyone who really cares about playing these games with so much regularity would not rely on these mini consoles to play the games. No retro gamer that relied on the NES mini or SNES mini to play their old games. Any collector isn't going to bother with them outside the collectible nature of the systems. The systems were just missing too many key titles to make it suitable for someone serious about retro gaming. Its great that MS has BC, but lets not conflate the two different products as being similar or for the same market.
''Not charging you $100 to play 20 old games with no way of getting more'' But charging $100 more for Kinect, $400 for HDR, and/or $500 for an upgrade was so cool, wasn't it @krib?
Trouble bubble. You're wrong. Deal with it and move on buddy.
Whos paying $400 soley for hdr? Lol spin it till you win it huh?
@aspiring I don’t understand what that has to do with playing old games, But Sure. Spending $500 for an upgraded system that’s miles ahead (an entire ps4 worth of extra GPU power) of the competition that charges $400 is definitely great, if you are into 4k, like I am 😉 Some people didn’t want a kinect and i’m happy that MS gave those people the option to purchase the system without it, for $100 less. It was great for when i bought one for my bedroom where i wouldn’t use a kinect. HDR is a nice addition to base PS4s. They were smart putting in a upgradeable HDMi port. MS didn’t think of that. I don’t understand why you’re getting so defensive over MS being pro-consumer with their BC while sony hasn’t been. It reminds me of this https://i.postimg.cc/02wkqf...
“Some people didn’t want a kinect and i’m happy that MS gave those people the option to purchase the system without it, for $100 less. It was great for when i bought one for my bedroom where i wouldn’t use a kinect. “ To be fair an SKU without Kinect wasn’t available at launch if I’m not mistaken. https://kotaku.com/xbox-one... There was even a time where Kinect was mandatory for the X1 to function. But Microsoft changed a lot of things after the initial backlash.
Wow at the agrees on trouble_bubble. You all have issues reading? N4G should make it possible for us to see who's liking and disliking so we can see the fanboys lol.
It is not being defensive, it is just how you are comparing the Mini Ps1 to Xbox BC when that is not what is made for. “Not charging you $100 to play $20 old games” really?
Why are you getting 74 dislikes????
Xbone didn't exist 20 years ago, Xbone fan! Btw. it's not free on Xbone i you don't own a game. You need to buy a game first and foremost. It's not TOTALLY FREE! Did you screamed the same when Nintendo released their own NES and SNES Classic? Of course you didn't. This product is FOR NOSTALGIC purpose.
@tekolie What part of what I said are you still having trouble with a day later? The rif irony. But yes get that “fanboy” dig in there on the community. Feel the dark side flow through you. Good! Goooood!
All the Sony fanboys are drooling over such a useless mini console when all Sony is doing is just sucking more money from their pockets.
If Mircosoft has done anything right this gen, it's the Xbox One X and their support for backwards compatibility. If they continue this trend and take full advantage of the studios they've acquired, I can see their next gen system being as successful as the 360/better.
Backwards compatibility is definitely a feature that Microsoft excels in and I'm looking forward to their new games next generation I wish they never tried with the always-online and forced Kinect it caused a lot of damage to the Xbox brand
@sam I'd argue M$'s complete disregard for quality first-party titles has hurt the XBox brand a lot more than Kinect did. Bundling with Kinect lost them maybe half-a-million sales at launch. Not supporting their system at all this entire gen has lost them over 40 million.
Xbox one x is the biggest waste of time and resources I've ever seen, all that power and 0 games to justify its existence.
@Exvalos To say that 0 games take advantage of the X is delusional. As I stated in my comment, there are few first party exclusive titles that do push the X. But it is the decisive winner when it comes to the best looking and performing console multiplatform games.
Because x box doesn't have anything new worth playing!! Ps2 and original PS3 were backwards compatible... People honestly didn't really care after the first year because there was lots of new games worth playing. The fact that this is the arguing point for the "most powerful console evar!!!" Is sad as hell
"...the only one doing retro games and backward compatibility right is Microsoft's Xbox One." That's because MS aint pushing out the bulk of new games until next gen.
"Bulk" You'll be lucky to get another Forza and gears.
I wouldn't count on 'bulk' new games coming from MS, it ain't their style.
I highly doubt next gen will be any different.
This is about getting your 12 year old to play PSX classics without breaking the bank buying a PS4...if you own a PS4 these games are on PSN
The point is that you don't have to re-buy them. I don't want to have to re-buy my entire catalogue in order to play my favourite classics.
I don't have to either, I turn on my old console stick the game in and i'm away, just as it was back then. I'm more amazed people have time to play games from yesteryear, I can't get through the current crop.
@TKCMuzzer No-one can get through the current crop of movies either. You'd still be a fool if you decided to skip the old star wars, back to the future, alien, and so on, even if the CGI does suck compared to todays movies.
Kind of sad when BC is the only noteworthy aspect of a $400+ console. When Sony and Nintendo are announcing exclusives left and right, MS responds with "Hey we added 10 more Xbox 360 games to the compatibility list. YAY us!" Classic games appeal to a niche and I'd say that people who didn't have any interest in buying PS1 games would buy the PS1 Classic because it's a novelty. And cheaper. 20 games at $6 a pop is $120 right there. But you say you're one of many who own at least 15 out of 20 and the rest you don't want anyway. Well play those games on your PS1 or PS2 or PS3 or PSP or PSV.
On top of that, the Xbox is not backwards compatible as I understand the definition. It plays a selection of games dictated by MS, true backwards compatibility is when you can play any game of your choosing.
That is the most hilarious thing I've read today. When BC isn't BC because you decide on a definition that suits your agenda. Gotta love logic in a console war.
Its not dictated by MS, it's up to the publishers to decide if they want to allow it. MS will only dictate it's own catalog of games. Some games can't be offered on it because of the licensing involved. The reason for this is that its not actually BC, it's emulation. The original license that MS had to publish the game on the Xbox, and this is true of all consoles all the way back to the NES, said that that game could only run on the Xbox. That means that MS couldn't just write some software that circumvented that license, as new hardware is considered new hardware. Sony got away with BC for years because they included the actual system hardware that technically made it run it's base code on the original hardware, even if it was on new hardware. Its a fine distinction, but the reason that MS needs to have the approval of publishers who say its OK if it runs on the new hardware. Same will happen next gen too, although I believe that legally if the base hardware stays the same(x86), then all that is needed to make it considered the same system is the core BIOS code which makes it run as the original system. That's been something that isn't clear, but there is also the possibility that the platform definition moved from hardware to platform....say like MS is using a special version of Windows, and Sony is using a platform model with their licensing terms now as well. There are probably some fine details that make the licensing more traditional though, so the console makers can't abuse the publishers interests. Anyhow, if Sony did the same thing, then they'd probably have to implement it in the same way. In short, what MS has is a BC solution through emulation. It was a pretty good idea on their part.
To clarify, I am not suggesting that MS handling of this option is a bad thing, however, I maintain that a backwards compatible machine would let the consumer put any 360 or Xbox game on their shelf into the console. Chris, by all means I am happy to discuss if you wish to offer a counter argument, I promise you, I am not one for mud slinging and fanboy nonsense.
Its not true bc, its actually emulation being used and is why not all 360 and og xbox games will be available.
Lol that's fine, they can have that crown. Sony is only making this console because Nintendo has shown there's a weird niche for these little consoles and they are just simply capitalizing on it. And they have dozens of games on every console that they could do this with. But yes let the gloating continue over a new consoles ability to play games you already own, which only becomes somewhat relevant if you for whatever reason kept all your old discs but no longer have the console.
OG Xbox has/had games besides HALO?
There WILL be an Xbox mini, because MS will also want to jump on the bandwagon. Shame to buy a new generation console, when the main selling point is old generation games to play on it. I can bet that 99% of the time, anyone who plays BC plays the games for 10 minutes for a bit of nostalgia before then jumping back to something modern.
I Played dragon age for 24 days straight. So there goes your argument lol. Played state of Decay 1 thru completion. Just to name another.
And you are the 1% I mentioned ;op
I'm happy to say that I'm in the one percent who will play an old game fully, or at least a lot. However, if say you're probably not far off the mark. I also think a lot of this retro gaming is during drunken nights with friends, or just the kids having the old.junk from the attic in the side room to keep them occupied. There aren't likely to be that many.people buying this system as a primary way to play games, and outside the collectors market, I think the.people.buying it probably aren't likely to even own a ps4 so the issue of bc is irrelevant
Whats the point in an xbox mini when xbone 'does it way better'. MS won't release something that directly competes against one of xbones main selling points.
On PC I would guess that I spend about 25 to 30% of my time playing games from my backlog of older games. Backwards compatibility is very important to me.
All this criticism on Sony and they're about to make bank on more hardware that people will buy. If MS was so brilliant about knowing what their customers want, maybe they wouldn't be getting outsold 3 to 1 in the marketplace.
I agree. But maybe, just maybe, Sony is trying to milk some money before release a PS1 emulator for PS4.
That's a reach.
Dang, you guys will try and throw BC into every topic. You know what console had BC before xbox? Playstation2. Ps3 had bc, but it cost to much, and people didn't care for it, so guess what? They got rid of it. Doesn't matter who does it first, it only matters who did it recently, right? Now, here we are, acting like its a must have feature. No surprise here.
All I see is two other companies that have classics that can actually sell units in a mini. And a third that has almost none. Which is why they never had a portable. It wouldn't sell in high numbers on just Halo. BC,although a great feature when you can have it, has nothing to do with making mini consoles.
I want it to take out to our camper, and to take with me when I travel.
Must suck to be so poor, to my friend that had to disagree.
Sony keep focused on what you do best, in my opinion, making new new games.
So much crying from the Xbox camp. There's nothing wrong to commemorate the 24th year of PlayStation this Dec 03. Maybe, PS2 for their 25th year anniversary.
Yep, just keep feeding the cash cow, they love you.
At least I'm financially supporting Sony to create AAA games, unlike the Microsoft camp. You don't see any fruit on your investment.
At least Sony's cow has milk. Not powdered substitute that gives you Gaas.
Or maybe... PS5 to commemorate its 25th anniversary.
people that support console wars are just broke m..fo's. a real gamer supports every company. glad that sony releasing this for a generation that never got to play these games, and good for MS for always giving players options when it comes to backwards compatibility.
Lol salty broke people are like 95% of the commenters on this site
Looks like they got tire of the cross play dumb obsession and now pick up this new subject. Meanwhile... Xbox is last third this gen. Focus on the things that matters!!!!!
No. Wii U is in third place. Xbox is second.
Come back to us when the Switch actually surpasses the X1. And even if most likely it does at some time in the future one must still realize it is a 9th gen machine not an 8th gen like the X1 and the PS4. Nintendo and their fans don't get to ignore their 8th was at the Wii U, not the Switch. That makes the X1 in second, not third. Of course, being fair that also means Switch is currently in the lead in a race the others have even entered yet. http://www.vgchartz.com/ana...
Claiming the current competition doesn't count because generations is strawman.
Yes, Xbox did it right with Bc. This Ps1 mini crap is... crap!
just like the Xbone then. without BC, it's just crap! PC has all its games (minus Halo MCC, Halo 5 and SSOD) and online MP on PC is free too.
We have to think about console gamer, someone that prefers playing on Tv with a controller. Someone that has all his gaming library on a specific console, and doesn't care about motherboards and power supplies. For those going forward proper BC is a great thing. We know that Sony has lots of classic games remastered...with a price tag… fine. But buying this mini crap to play ps1 classics and not releasing it on a psn store is really something special. Total world happiness increased, so whatever.