CAPCOM Never Even Considered a God of War-style Change for Devil May Cry 5, Says Itsuno

CAPCOM never even considered a God of War-style change for Devil May Cry 5, according to Game Director Hideaki Itsuno. They listened to fans instead.

[Chris_Wray]

That's a good thing I suppose. While God of War has certainly been made better as a result of the change, it may not work for every game. Devil May Cry has always been stupid, silly, fun and keeping it that way has certainly worked out, if my hands-on at Gamescom is anything to go by.

[Aceman18]

Honestly there is not much they could do to change it up much.

[naruga]

though they totally considered (and totally destroyed that way) Resident Evil series by making RE7 First Person!!.... its a good thing they didnt change DMC5 ala God of War but wouldnt be that much of a radical change in comparison to what they did on poor Resident

[NapalmSanctuary]

Actually, the irony of the headline and your comment is that DmC was very much a classic GoW clone where its combat was concerned, and that was the main problem with it. Its telling that GoW goes through a massive identity shift and very few voices rise in protest, where as, they try the same thing with DMC series and the internet shits a brick... and it would have happened the same way even if DmC had gone the same 'Dark Souls meets TLoU' route that the GoW reboot did. I hate to say it cause I love David Jaffe, but DMC's fan base actually cared about their favorite game, as to where GoW's fanbase, for the most part, just seem to have wanted the character back. They apparently didn't give 2 shits about the original gameplay.

[bouzebbal]

@naruga_
for you they destroyed RE7 with the FPS view.
i agree with you FPS view wasn't the best for the game, but it was enough for me that they brought back the puzzles and the exploration from the old ones.
I also regret the lack of zombies but again the game really went back to its roots despite RE4 5 and 6 being a commercial success for Capcom.

now we are getting RE2 remake and that is very promising for what's coming next.

for DMC5 style, i am glad they kept it somewhat the same as the old ones and focus on the action.
god of war has a more mature scenario and the new episode is very story focused. the shoulder view really helped with that.
DMC5 scenario on the other hand can be written on a subway ticket, good they are focusing on the action, the main asset of the series.

[Iloveherliezz]

@NapalmSanctuary did you just say DMC is GOW clone hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !
You do know that the 3RD DMC game came out a MONTH BEFORE the 1ST GOW game right!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[NapalmSanctuary]

@Iloveherliezz

"did you just say DMC is GOW clone"

No. I said DmC was a GoW clone. Thats why the internet shit a brick. Pay attention.

[I_am_Batman]

I don't agree that God of War has certainly been made better. I love the new God of War game especially because it sets up the new world and story in such a great way that the next titles will undoubtedly benefit from it but in doing so, new challenges arise which it handles with varying degrees of success or failure.

[Movefasta1993]

I still prefer god of war 3's combat over 4. I don't care how many disagrees I get, nothing better than those wild airborne combos. It wasn't as deep as dmc3 and 4 but it was wild.

[Christopher]

The problem was after 3 is when they realized their system was running out of steam for them I think. At the least there's always GoW original trilogy to play.

I have my issues with the new GoW, but I accept and didn't dislike the new combat system though I do question how they will evolve it going forward.

[ShockUltraslash]

And in dad of war they removed air combos and jumping all together.

[ccgr]

Still have yet to play this series

[thatguyhayat]

Theres devil may cry 1 2 3 4
The correct order is
3 1 4 2 i think

[Andy_Dee]

3, 1, 4 is correct. They jumped the number 2 because of how bad the game turned out to be.

Now if 5 can be awesome and let me play Dante or Trish thank you!

[flaming_scorpion]

Andy_Dee they just recently confirmed DMC5 takes place after 2

[NapalmSanctuary]

DMC2 needs to be remade into a proper DMC game.

[Eiyuuou]

Then get to it!

[Jackhass]

Yeah, don't think Dante or Nero need to become dads just yet.

[Noclos]

BOY!!!

[Dark_Knightmare2]

I don’t think that’s what he meant but ok

[TheOptimist]

Thankfully. I love the DMC games for what they are.

[firelogic]

The statement, "They listened to fans instead" makes it sound like God of War's change in direction was a failure from his point of view.

I'm not saying this franchise needs a reboot or that every IP needs to make drastic changes but DmC happened because Capcom was tired of the same old same old. Now they're just going back to what they were tired of.

[Christopher]

It also assumes that fans know what is best. While it's easy to think we know what's best, the best games deliver what fans typically never have asked for because they learn it's something they've not expressed before.

Not to say this is wrong, only that following such a direction doesn't mean better. Fans are oftentimes wrong about what's best for games.

[NapalmSanctuary]

Devs, as gamers, should make games that they would like to play. Thats the heart of artistic integrity. The problem with the modern video game industry is that people who don't play video games (the suits) often exert a detrimental amount of artistic control over these projects. These are people who think they can fine tune a project to higher profitability simply by looking at spread sheets and checking the right boxes. They have a habit of alienating pre-existing fanbases for the sake of people who are not likely to buy their game, regardless.

Not only are these suits ill-equipped to make artistic calls. As it turns, they are very bad at making good business decisions. Yet they tend to have more power over these projects than anyone else. So, while I agree that the fans aren't always right on the micro level, they are often the best hope many projects have to preserve some sense of artistic integrity.

[NapalmSanctuary]

Itsuno wanted to take a break from the series to make Dragon's Dogma. The suits at Capcom are the ones who pushed for the extreme changes to the series, not cause they were sick of it but because they wanted the sales numbers of games like Gears of War. I highly doubt any of them (the suits) play video games, or have any actual respect for the medium. They are in the business of money not video games. Which explains why, in recent years past, they've had such a hard time making money and almost put their own company out of business.

To Ninja Theory's credit, they originally didn't want to deviate so much from the original formula. It was Capcom that forced the issue.

[Jinger]

Good.

[gangsta_red]

Yeah, this is a series that doesn't need that type of change. Just make it more chaotic and bat shit insane.

[TheGamez100]

The Gow and lou styles are amazing experiences, really do hope big singleplayer games do something similar too. A game like assassin's creed perhaps.

[Jinger]

I couldn't disagree more. We need variety, not more over the shoulder emotional narrative games.

[gangsta_red]

I definitely agree, I want more triple A, third person, insane, button combo, super over the top, crazy experiences not just triple A, over the shoulder, emotional, story driven, cinematic experiences.

[CarlDechance]

You guys are really overplaying the "emotional" aspects of God of War and understating the incredible gameplay that dominates it. I don't know what is more over the top than Kratos fighting Norse gods and monsters. You want button combos? Not sure why there is this thought that God of War doesn't have plenty. Shield combos, runic combos, leviathan combos....etc. The essence of God of War is still very much in this game.

[Jinger]

@Carl

I couldn't disagree more. Not saying it's not a solid game, because it is very well made and still a lot of fun to play. But the essence is lost.

[CarlDechance]

The essence is "lost" but you can't describe how? Dude.....I've played every single God of War on every platform it has been on. I know the essence of God of War and if anything this game takes it to new heights. It is just as visceral as it has always been. The complexity of the fighting moves are much more intricate and far more interesting than memorizing button sequences. And then they added the skill tree, the equipment, the upgrades, the crafting. Then there is the immensity of the realms that is on such a much larger scale. You are disagreeing without any substance behind your words. Hard to take that seriously.

[Jinger]

@carl

I could easily tell you, but why waste my time? I have also been an avid GoW fan since the first, played the PSP titles as well. I won't bother trying to convince you because we more than likely will not see eye to eye.

[CarlDechance]

And that response is pretty much confirms what I thought.

[Jinger]

@carl

lol I have argued this until I'm blue in the face before and after the game has been out... I'm sort of over all that drama. Maybe you can dig through my old comments, but I'm not going to humor you with my time. Have a good one Carl

[CarlDechance]

lol...….what? Then why did you pipe up about GoW in the first place if you don't want to talk about GoW? Hell, you've spent more time explaining why you don't want to explain your opinion then you would just explaining your opinion. Yeah, have a good one. Try not posting shallow nonsense next time.

[Jinger]

@Carl

1. I was laughing at your little snarky comment about my response.

2. I piped up because I disagreed with his statement and I said so instead of just putting a downvote. I wasn't planning on spending time giving you or anyone else a run down of every reason I don't like the changes.

3. It doesn't take me all that long to write these responses, but if I took the time to explain my entire viewpoint it would open up a whole discussion I just don't want to get into. If you're that curious about my full stance there is my comment history you can go back to.

[CarlDechance]

"I just don't want to get into"

Then you should not have posted in the first place. This is a simple concept that you seem not to get. You don't want to waste your time explaining your opinion, but are fine with me wasting my time searching your comment history for it?

I'm calling bullshit. You have not played the game and I'm not wasting any more of MY time with you.

[Jinger]

@Carl

I have in fact beaten the game on Give Me God of War on my first playthrough. And my first comment was already direct and to the point. I gave 3 reasons why I disagree with every game doing what GoW did. You want Me to repeat what I said? Here you go:

"We need variety, not more over the shoulder emotional narrative games."

Now I feel I don't need to give anymore information just because you seem to want to pick a fight about my opinion. You gave your response to my reasons and then I told you I don't agree again with the essence still being there. I can disagree without this becoming a debate, but since you're looking for a fight, now I have to try and defend my opinion to you.

And why should you waste your time going through my history? Lol because you're the one who can't drop it and move on, you're insisting I give you my reasons. If you want my reasons, you can go through my history. Piece.

[CarlDechance]

I simply do not believe you. The fact that you keep trying to convince me works against you. You can drop this any time you want. I'm certainly not stopping you. Again, you spent more time talking about not wanting to talk about it. LOL. That is a dead give away. I'm done here. Go on commenting on stuff you allegedly don't want to talk about. A bit moronic, frankly. But I think we both know your worth on this subject and it isn't much.

[Jinger]

@Carl

And in the amount of time you have spent reading these responses you could have gone through my comment history. You can believe me or not, i really dont care. How about this. Since you're so bent on debating this with me. Go back through my comments, do some research on my previous thoughts and then get back to me with your counter on a PM. I'm pretty sure we are both close to our comment limit.

[CarlDechance]

They really are amazing experiences. The problem I have with this idea that these games are "narratives" first and foremost is that they are really just really great games with exceptional plot and dialogue. There is just as much action and gameplay in God of War as there ever was. But the story and writing is just so much better in the new God of War. Somehow people are suggesting they would rather have weaker story and weaker writing? lol.....ok? Not sure how that makes sense to anyone.

Put it this way. Would DMC really be better off if it had weak story? I'm not saying DMC should copy GoW mechanics, tone, or anything else. But what is wrong with exceptional writing in a game? You might as well say it would be better off if it had no story at all.

[FallenAngel1984]

They should’ve listened to fans with Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite

[gangsta_red]

Man...who knows what happened when they were making that game. But I'm sure Disney was yelling in their ear the whole time.

[AK91]

Good it doesn't need it.

[jeremyj2913]

Well duh. Wouldn't be Devil May Cry anymore.

[Chexs1990]

A good thing imo.
The new God of War is a fantastic game, but I wouldn't really compare it to the old ones at all. Almost an entire sub-genre removed tbh.

Can't see how that would even work for DmC

[Heavenly King]

But it stayed (so far) a lot the same as DMC4. Corridors that lead to room fights. You kill the monsters the door opens; you enter a corridor, then explore a bit, then enter another room with monsters and so on :(

I was hoping for a change in the pacing.

And also the controls are still a bit clunky. In order to doge you should just need 1 button, and not L1 + Circle.

[NapalmSanctuary]

DMC is a series of skill based action combat games. The controls are only clunky if you're button mashing. The combat is actually smooth as silk if you master it, which happens to be what those games are all about. The primary reason DmC failed is because it didn't require any skill from the player. Its impossible to stay engaged with an action game you can just button mash your way through. Its why few people seem to care when GoW gets a massive identity shift yet the internet shits a brick when they try to reboot DMC series to be more like classic GoW.

[ShockUltraslash]

I don't like one button dodges. It is too easy to execute. The more difficult and hard to master dodge is more satisfying to use.

[quent]

DMC was originally a RE sequel prototype before it turned into its own IP, its also pre GOW, for you fanboy zealots calling DMC the copy

[NapalmSanctuary]

If they are using a lower case 'm' they are talking strictly about the Ninja Theory reboot, not 1-4.

[TheVigilanteCode]

Eh, both these belong in completely different genre. And it's good that the developers respect their fanbase, instead of chasing the $$$.

God of War is an adventure game with phenomenal set pieces, an explosive 1st party budget and very immersive story driven narrative game.

The DMC games are pure high octane, purely skill based complete action games that has very deep mechanical entry barrier. The games you can compare in this genre with DMC are Bayonetta and Ninja Gaiden. This is a very niche genre of japanese action thats not expected to sell 8 or 10 million copies like your god of wars and uncharteds. It's a very successful, yet a niche market, and it's identity needs to be respected in the industry.

Not everything needs to be god of war all of a sudden, because of it's overwhelming critical success.