— Xbox Enthusiast: Microsoft has been making some extreme maneuvers this generation with its new services. The Xbox team is clearly preparing to try and lead the pack next-gen
Not desperation, smart business move. I Have Games Pass, and its fantastic. I also have the X1X, and its a great Console. If given an option, I would have paid the Monthly, installments, instead of all upfront. I think its a great idea. X1X has a ton of enhanced games. Both S and X have 4 K blu ray, and the X1X supports Dolby Atmos Sound and Dolby Vision. Smart investment.
Desperation. They wouldn't have to if the system was selling like gangbusters.
In all honesty it was just a matter of time before someone started this Netflix/mobile contract thing on consles, its just happened to be MS. As long as there's the choice to buy everything individually (like always) then it doesn't bother me, actually I couldn't care less about it, let them to what the want.
Yup, companies that fall behind do things to catch up, company's that are ahead do the same things that got them ahead. That is not desperation. That is company's competing and that is good for gamers. With the first XB, MS failed to get good market share. With 360 they had solid market share and Sony were playing catch up to XB Live and the games for the first two to three years of the generation. One could call that desperation. Sony made massive changes to get competitive again. Dropping hardware BC, dropping PS3 price quickly, improving PSN, equaling MS exclusives, then adding free games to bundle with PSN. Now, it is MS' turn, are doing things just like Sony did last gen to get gamers back. If MS is desperate today, then Sony was desperate last gen.
Let's be honest. I have made it clear that I despise game subscription services and digital sales. But we both know that Sony will be launching their own plan soon and they do the opinion here on N4G will do a 180. Similar to paying for online.
Are you saying they are not making a profit. They generated $3.9 Billion USD in the 2nd quarter of 2018 and was up 8%. Seems like they are doing ok to must. You don't have to be number one to do well.
Dude. Your comments are naive and childish. You’re just a fanboy. Put some real effort. It’s like watching a trump supporter say all bad trump news is fake. Replace the word desperation with foresight. MS is getting a jump and plan on the future. Facts are easily found to explain this whole story. The real problem is a word called margin. It’s a economic term. Look it up. Nintendo is worried about the same shit. It’s the number that shows how much profit you get vs how much you spent to make a product. In video game world it means games are too expensive to make and be sustainable at current prices and people don’t want to pay more for games. Mechanisms to generate more revenue like MTs are backfiring spectacularly. The game industry will follow the lead of music and tv show entertainment which suffered similar problems. Spotify and Apple Music were direct results of that problem. Now MS and soon Nintendo will be pushing that agenda... to make it sustainable and affordable to the user while increasing that word.... margin. .
So what your saying is ppl dont use this same options at rent a center or alans to get a ps4? Cause the ps4 is selling also but its another option for ppl who dont have the cash to still get the console is all it is.
***But we both know that Sony will be launching their own plan soon and they do the opinion here on N4G will do a 180.*** I stand by the fact that I am not into renting games but owning them. Sony coming with their own won't change that. I just hope subscription models don't turn into something where people who subscribe get preferential treatment to those who don't.
About as desperate as those seeking attention in these treads with their comments. lol
Xbox's quarterly report was up 39%. I don't think they care. So instead of selling Word and Excel separately, they bundle it into office in a package and that's desperate? If there's one thing MS knows how to do, it's offer services.
I agree. It isn’t desperation. It’s a great way for people to get into gaming with less up front cost. They did the same thing last gen, and they were selling great before that https://www.theverge.com/20...
"Xbox All Access, Game Pass and Scarlett show Microsoft's desperation" Sounds like some regular business decisions a lot more than desperation imo. It's obvious that MS with All Access is trying to get as many Xbox's in as many homes as easy as possible, with that comes not only Live subscriptions but Game Pass, another subscription on top of that. MS and other companies know that hardware isn't where the bulk of the money is for long term success, it's in monthly subscription services across a wide number of active users. Scarlett is the same (if true) it'll be a streaming box which will cost much less than the next Xbox but still provide the features of Live. The goal for these companies isn't one and done purchases loke days of old but to keep a user spending money for as long as possible.
And let's keep in mind that this is actually a pretty lucrative deal for Microsoft. This isn't like they are taking a massive discount on the product. They are requiring a two year subscription of both Xbox Live Gold (at regular price) and Game Pass along with the console. And they are handing off the finance duties to Dell. So hard for me to see the "desperate" angle on this especially considering this is so limited in scope.
It's funny how none of the persistently haters & sheeple following want to dispute your link & the FACTS that you stated. As what you're saying is definitely true. So, what was the excuse then guys? They were selling great last generation while doing similar thinga. And there's plenty of people up here offering evidence to back that up. If we REALLY want to talk desperation, we can look at all the peeps (along with the originator of this garbage piece) up here trying to downplay this & paint everything as a negative. Like someone said though, the minute their precious does it, you could absolutely bet your sack that the180 will be swift & real. Only then will it suddenly be a good decision to the bulk of the folk here. While to others, just another example of them following in someone else's footsteps & folks not batting an eye after all the critiquing like now.
Smart business move lol! No. its not.. Or a Smart business move gets your sales going.. Had MS done this from say 2 years before it would have been a better move.. Also had Xbox been doing well all of this wouldn't exist..
MS did do this last gen with the 360 and two years if live.
Do you really think ms would have done this if they were leading this gen. It was purely because they were getting an ass kicking tbh. Desperation indeed.
They did it last gen and led
You are an idiot. So every move by companies to do better is desperation if they are not the biggest fish. Read Apple, Nintendo, ... Etc. Best keep adding. It baffels me how much people try to downplay an interesting move that only increases option for the users. Desperation seems more on the Sony fans side. But why is it just because they hate all Microsoft or because they arre scared.
I would never risk the chance of messing up my credit going this route. If I can't buy a system outright I can wait for them to go on sale, or do without. There are more things important to me than gaming.
Exactly taking advantage of those who really can't afford it while charging extra. The 1X will end up costing more than $800.00 US...lol and their idioticly named Scarlett will be around the corner once your done paying the thing off.
i agree but Microsoft is the black sheep this generation look at these clowns in the comment section
90% of N4G is a circus tbh
Desperation until Sony does the same thing. You know the cycle.
Like ps plus or achievements. . . Both copy. . The motivations for these moves can differ. Ms has to do more just to compete this gen. Last gen when they were in front they got complacent. . Sony in front this gen doubled down. . There's a difference.
How is ps plus copying? In fact if ms hadn't copied Sony by doing games with gold then ps+ and Xbox live would be very different services.
They copy each other. . . . Ms copied ps plus Sony copied achievements.
Chances of Sony doing something like this are slim.
Play Station Plus says hello
Should have clarified. I'm referring to the All Access part. Sony has already implemented a streaming service so that there is no "until" as far as that is concerned. Sony has no need to offer finance purchasing options. PS4 continues to sell extremely well as it is. @81BX PS+ is not the same as Game Pass at all, if that is what you mean. Really not sure what you are referring to.
@81BX pS Plus was a different service when it came to the field, it was at the time completely optional and geared as a service that offered monthly games.they only added multiplayer as a requirement this gen, so regardless no it was not “copying ms”. Sure maybe as a subscription, but are we gonna say that Netflix copied them to or any other subscription services?
Really, trialling the PSVR for 30 days in your own home wasn't a desperate move?
"Really, trialling the PSVR for 30 days in your own home wasn't a desperate move? " I never said anything MS has done was a desperate move. I see nothing "desperate" about a finance option. If you consider the PSVR trial desperate....fine. Really don't care though.
Sony doesn't need to do this. The name PlayStation sells itself upfront.
“Sony got arrogant at the start of the 7th-generation, leading the PS3 to have a rough early life.“ Funny how even during this “rough period” that PS3 still sold at a faster rate than 360 since day one. “Like Sony, Microsoft got arrogant and paid the price for it.” Idk what Microsoft had to get arrogant about. Yeah they eventually came ahead in North America, but they came last in every other market. Never before has there been a console that won the NA region but ended up being the least successful and slowest selling console globally of its generation, yet Xbox 360 did. Even at its most successful peak Microsoft couldn’t outperform Sony on a global scale. That’s nothing to get arrogant about. “The introduction of these new services, along with all the restructuring that Phil Spencer’s revamped Xbox team has been doing over the years, clearly shows that Microsoft’s goal at this point is to stop playing second-best to Sony.” That isn’t going to change how the Xbox brand is perceived in regions outside of North America. Even if by the slimmest chance this move does gain Microsoft victory in NA next gen, just like with Xbox 360 they’d still be behind PlayStation in the global market. Plus it’d be hard to win NA over again completely with a now reinvigorated Nintendo and an outstanding Sony.
What do you mean? 360 outsold ps3 for a long time until Microsoft stopped caring and moved on to next gen where they then proceeded to get arrogant and make bad decisions cough Don Matrick cough
The only time 360 outsold PS3 was when PS3 wasn't on the market. But your right about MS not caring, that's there go to play at the end of every generation.
I don't know why the disagrees, as it was certainly the truth. Some of won't allow their revisionist and made up history to acknowledge that though.
PS3 outsold 360 since 2007, which is very revealing once you consider everything PS3 had going against it and everything 360 had going for it. A console with that much of a headstart shouldn’t get outsold period, yet 360 still came in last because the Xbox brand isn’t as strong in other regions
but the ps3 didn’t outsell the 360 in the place where the financing offer was, in the USA.
Financing offer? It’s not like Sony wasn’t able to secure exclusive content from third parties on its console last gen.
Regardless, I hope you had a 360 because you missed out on some of the best games ever made. Same can be said for Ps4 this gen.
Its arrogance factoring in that MS only really cared about the US market. Same as how since they only consider online gaming, multiplayer gaming, it effects how they make games.
Funny how people recreate history. Fact PS3 didn't catch up to the 360 in sales at least in the US till the end of the of that generation. Don't forget it came out at $600 way back than. That is alot more that the X1X now. Smh
The 360 only ever outsold the ps3 globaly in one year, 09 or 10, would need to look again and i cant be arsed, every year both systems were out the ps3 sold more, the only lead ms had was from the year and a half in europe and year in the us that it was on market on its own, as soon as the wii and ps3 launched they both outsold the 360, no recreation here, look up the world wide numbers for yourself.
PS3 never caught up to the 360 in the US. It was a sales behemoth here. It even outsold the Wii. PS3 did eventually overtake 360 globally in 2012 yet there's a huge disparity between the two in the States. That's why some publishers like EA were silently backing MS before launch. While Sony is clearly number one in the NA market, MS is still competitive here. The real advantage for Sony this gen & last has been the emergence of the European market and Sony's dominance there. PS3. It even outsold the Wii there.
Sonys had the European region on lock since ps1, it hasnt just emerged, no one region is more important than another if globably that success isnt mirrored, the us is a big market but not so much if its your only market.
“Essentially, it seems like Microsoft is doing what SEGA did, albeit in a much smarter way and with the financial backing to actually do it.“ Sega lost money because of releasing so much hardware that ended up flopping in a short period of time along with some third parties and retailers not supporting them. That’s not exactly what’s happening with Microsoft right now.
I think what theyre referencing is Sega having a monthly payment program for the Dreamcast in an attempt to get them into homes. Its not a dumb move but Sega didnt have the financial security to do it.
"Articles" like these are desperation themselves.
Xbox is owned by MS and they're drowning in cash it's not desperation it's attempting to create products whilst cutting out the middle man (physical distribution) unfortunately for them due to people's love of physical copies I doubt it'll take off.
MS is actually investing into the Xbox brand more than ever. People hate change especially from a company that is not leading the current generation.
Dude, that's a mindset you have, not a reality. If Dan patrick hadn't left, that probably might have happened though. Thank goodness it didn't, otherwise I woudln't own an xbox. But here's the truth. Every single platform, Sony, Nintendo, Xbox, are ALL selling better than their last generation counterparts. This isn't pr, it's statistically true. However, Sony is selling is so much better than Microsoft and at a faster rate, that people are regarding this as a favor on Xbox's part and that Microsoft is "losing" money. In reality, they aren't. In fact, they are more invested than ever.
I don't know about that 360 was much more successful than this generations Xbox.
Every move Microsoft makes is considered desperation by the fanboys. It a good move and another option for consumers. That being said, if MS wants it to succeed they need to get rid of the Dell credit line and get it in more stores. People say its just like getting a phone but actually its not. The phone companies are not asking you to apply for credit thru a 2rd party.
"Every move Microsoft makes is considered desperation by the fanboys." Fanboys? This is coming from xboxenthusiast.com.
I believe he's looking at the response on N4G rather than the writer of the article.
Then he should respond to the "fanboy" in question rather than the article.
Since when is giving gamers options a desperation. MS has the right team. The decisions are being made with a gamer first mentality and ultimately this leads to winning consumers back. I love the energy I see from the Xbox Team.
cause no other companies have done these things before... more ways to buy stuff is bad? Why is this author so upset?
Because the whole idea sucks and in a few years it will be scrapped. He loves Xbox but hates what they are doing.
Smart business = desperation?? Even if it was so what? There desperate to do good to fight for our dollar to get gamers back all these are good things!! Its clear xbox is losing to sony every one knows this do you want Microsoft not to do anything? Not to try?? I dont get this logic
Then why is the industry praising the decision to death?
Because it's beneficial to consumers. To Microsoft however, it could be seen as a little desperate in order to stay relevant in this generation. Which clearly it is.
Utter BS. How can you flip something good for consumers is desperation from the company. Access to the scheme is extremely limited so is hardly going to make a major impact in sales. It's also easy to get an Xbox, or any other electronic gadget on finance anyway, MS just want a piece of the same pie.
This is honestly a great system. The part where you get to keep the console after the all the payments should also apply to Game Pass where the games you play the most with your $10 a month will add up to the full retail cost of each game and then you get to keep the game permanently. Let’s say $5 goes to Halo 6, $3 to Horizon 3 and $2 Gears 5 as stipulated by your play time, in a year you will own Halo 6, in 20 months Horizon 3 and 30 months Gears 5.
Lol got to me kidding me