Cyberpunk 2077 -- CD Projekt "Very Aware" That Many Don't Like First-Person Perspective

Cyberpunk 2077 devs might look into offering difficulty and sensibility options in the hope to mitigate some players' aversion to first-person perspective.

[AngainorG7X]

They should try by any means to put a third person view even if they have to delay the game. And since there is no release date yet nobody is gonna accuse them for a delay.

[Abriael]

Uh no. They definitely shouldn't delay the game for everyone just to please someone.

[AngainorG7X]

Many gamers are asking for a third person view, even CDPR admits that. Did you even read the title??

[DrumBeat]

Agreed. You can't please everyone, and this is their vision. They should absolutely not try to stuff in a 3rd person perspective, that could potentially up-end the whole experience, just to placate detractors.

CDPR need to stick to their guns, and I believe they will.

[joab777]

Agreed. And once everyone plays it, doubters will buy it because of the quality of the experience.

No one demanded that Levine make Bioshock as a 3rd person game! Let it be!!

[Aeery]

First-Person, Third-Person ... I do not care at all.
A good game is still a good game.
Also, you will have lots of moments during the game to admire your character.

[CarlDechance]

"Did you even read the title?? "

lol.....he wrote the title. And he is right. Devs shouldn't be pressured into compromising their game.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Many gamers asked for FP in TW3... Certain things just "Don't work" in certain perspectives. One example is The Witcher's Combat system would not work in FP.

[Vegamyster]

AngainorG7X

I really don't see what the big deal is, you have other games like Dishonored 1/2, Fallout, TeS, Deus Ex ect in a similar vein of gameplay which are either 1st person or better in first person, Deus Ex being the only expectation where they force 3rd person but it's only when you hug cover.

[Melankolis]

If it's possible then why not? It will reach wider audience that leads to better sales. So it's a win-win.
C2077 is different than COD or Bioshock. Many people expected it won't stray too far from The Witcher's gameplay.
But in the end i respect the developer's decision. Even i respect Capcom's decision in RE7, although that means i don't play the latest of the franchise i've loved for 20+years.
I stil hope for 3rd person option so i can play it without getting nauseous.

[CarlDechance]

"Many people expected it won't stray too far from The Witcher's gameplay. "

Well that is just silly. This game, even just as a concept, had no resemblance to Witcher in any way.

[TheKingKratos]

No they can release it but promise that there will be a 3rd person view patch later and you get to choose between them
I think that's a win/win for everyone

[Tonykid]

It can't be delayed if there isn't any release date

[raWfodog]

@AngainorG7X

It's okay to have your opinion on what you would like for the game and it's your choice to buy (or not to buy), but I will always trust the developers vision for their own game over my personal desires. To me, it's just like a reading a book. It's that author's story that you're reading. You may have your own opinion on how you think the story should go but, in the end, you're just along for the ride. At least with video games, you have some interaction within the story but the vision still belongs to the developers.

[totalgaminglegend]

It is not just someone, it is a lot of people. Look at Rockstar, they knew that a large portion of players enjoys the first person. So when they ported GTA 5 from Xbox 360 to Xbox One, PS3 to PS4 they added the first-person view.

Because companies like Rockstar know that people have preferences and do not take much from a (dedicated and caring gaming company) to provide both.

[CorndogBurglar]

@ Melankolis

"Many people expected it won't stray too far from The Witcher's gameplay."

No. Many people ASSUMED it would have the same type of gameplay as the Witcher. CDPR never once gave any hint whatsoever that it would be a 3rd person RPG, or anything like the Witcher at all. In fact, when they first announced this game they said they are getting into Cyberpunk because they wanted to try something different. So if anyone expected this to have the same gameplay as the Witcher, then they only gave themselves those expectations based on literally nothing.

In my opinion, CDPR should be praised for wanting to branch out and try something different. There's nothing more annoying than a developer doing the same thing over and over because they know they are good at it. A truly great developer will do exactly what CDPR is doing with this game. If they can create multiple franchises across multiple genres that are all fantastic games, then that is something to praised.

[Flewid638]

Don't delay the game so that it can get good reviews and more people can play it? LMAO.

[joab777]

No. Two of my favorite games are Bioshock and Half-life and both can claim insane immersion in part b/c of the first person viewpoint.

There is a reason that it is first person. Along with it, we will get CDPR’s insane attention to detail, whether it be in story crafting, rpg mechanics or world building.

I can’t wait! Love what I see. Find it hard to believe though, that this is an open world game. Crazy!!! Almost wish it was a games of service, only because I’m never gonna wanna leave Night City.

[Lord_Sloth]

I've never felt a connection to a character I can't see from my 1st person games. I tend to get more immersed in third person titles.

Before you jump on the offensive I'm not telling CDPR to change anything because ultimately I'll just deal with it, I just don't enjoy FPS games as much.

[ziggurcat]

First person is not more immersive.

[annoyedgamer]

For those of you saying FPS is not immersive. Go play Stalker and the Metro series. They are some of the most immersive games ever made..and are FPS.

[ziggurcat]

@annoyed: who's saying it's not immersive? I'm saying it's not *more* immersive. I've had more immersive experiences playing Assassin's Creed, the Souls/Bloodborne games, Uncharted, TLoU, and so on... than I have playing any game in a 1st person perspective.

[jznrpg]

I like third person but it’s their vision and I wouldn’t mind waiting but they aren’t going to do that. I think they wanted the shooter feel to appeal to the shooter crowd

[lipton101]

Exactly. It’s their artistic vision for the game to have it in 1st person. Considering their previous titles, I trust them 100%

[Gatsu]

3rd person is not a good idea for this game.

[jbull]

They originally tried to do both but ran into technical problems so FPS was chosen as the combat in the game is more suited to that judging by the demo.

[Razmiran]

Look at the gameplay, its clearly made for snappy FPS gameplay

[jacksmith56]

i think you are totally wrong, the last thing we want is another delay we have been waiting ages for it as is, and more importantly we SHOULD TRUST CD red they have never let us done NEVER, give them the chance to do things there way dont limit the artist to create something in a specific way they have said over and over again there is a reason for FPS.

From the demo they give option for 3rd person with driving which is really the only bad experience with FP views
anyways U should rly trust cd red as the masterminds of gaming they are to create something beautiful im sure this game is going to push the whole industry forward just like the Witcher 3 did

[AngainorG7X]

Don't get me wrong, in no way i want this game to fail. In fact i will buy it for sure, i just thought that having option for FP & TP will please both sides.

[Mister-Zay]

They should create the game that they envision and not worry about what a small group of complainers think.

[lelo2play]

GTA5 was 3rd person and Rockstar later on offered 1st person to who ever wanted to play the game in that perspective.

As for Cyberpunk 2077, I prefer 3rd person for RPG's, but will play the game on 1st person if 3rd person is not available. Game looks great on 1st person.

[McGamer]

It's this kind of useless whining I hope CDPR ignores. It's their game, they should make the game how they want to make it. If you don't like it @AngainorG7X, don't play it.

[lipton101]

Why pander to a vocal minority? It’s their game, not yours or anyone else’s. And I trust their artistic vision,

I’ll buy it, regardless of perspective because I’m not an entitled crybaby.

[frostypants]

No. Why should they shoe-horn in a half-baked third person perspective into a game explicitly built around first person?

It is not a third person game. That is not what they made. Go play a different game. Get over it. The number of people that will refuse to buy it over something that minor likely won't be enough to justify the pain of re-developing it. It's not as simple as just throwing a character model on screen.

This is no less silly than saying "I hate sci-fi, I want more Witcher...delay it and make it like Witcher!" Like...no...that's not the game they chose to make. Or like going into a nice steak restaurant and demanding they make you a taco, even though tacos aren't on the menu.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

No, they should build the vision THEY have, and people who like it will buy it. No creator should change their vision to suit a particular viewpoint, other than their own. That's why games built for focus groups are crap.

[WelkinCole]

Yeah, it was hard getting a sense of space from the gameplay video. So much prefer if it was in 3rd person. Then again I never liked 1st person.

However I am still buying it day one. Its Red after all. There is no question it will set a new benchmark for gaming. Apart from the perspective everything else was stellar. I am loving the story already.

[carcarias]

I disagree strongly.

I'm sad to hear many don't like it but they've created all the combat around FPP. The delay for 3rdPP would be huge. Add it at a later date if they really have to, along with multi-player.

It's also very strange to see such a request, since most players ask for many things during a games development but a change/addition of a perspective is rarely, if ever, mentioned. No one asked for it Deus Ex (2000) or the recent ones. No one asked for Tomb Raider to be like Mirror's Edge, for The Last of Us to go FP or for CoD to go third person. So why single out this game?

I think people just assumed that CDPR, having done the Witcher series, would do this game in 3rd person too but is that fair? Why restrict them in that way when they are following their vision? We can't demand CDPR put in 3rdPP for all their games for the rest of time simply because that was the perspective for their Witcher titles. Those were melee combat based anyway, of course 3rd person made sense.

I really don't understand why people are so freaked out by this, apart from the people who get motion sickness.

[FrostXVenom]

With all the players abilities like slow mo,sliding double jump and shooting etc,its gonna look so weird with third person especially in a close combat.

[zivtheawesome]

it isn't designed for 3rd person though, indoor scenes are within tight areas, wouldn't be fun in a different perspective.

[MattE]

Nah, release game as is. FP is the most immersive view anyway and then patch a 3rd at a later date..

[Ceaser9857361]

Putting the third person view will create problem visually.. I too wanted Cyberpunk to be a third person but having seen the gameplay.. I am fine and excited Now.

[mt]

I'll buy it if there is a third person view. I loved Witcher 3 so much but I am not excited for Cyberpunk, this might change by the time they release the game.

[cabbitwithscissors]

When Bethesta first announced the follow up to the original Fallout 1 & 2 that it was going to be first person versus the previous iterations of being isometric / top-down, there was a backlash in that the game was not going to be faithful to the game-play and the universe it was being built to, and today, it is a non issue, and with a lot of gamers saying that Fallout 3 and 4 are some of the best games out there.

Anybody want to comment on this?

[MAULxx]

They aren't doing 3rd person. They made a first person game.

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

No they shouldn't. If you watched the game play trailer you would knjow that 3rd person doesn't even fit in this type of game.

These are closed sections, heavy urban environments. 1st person makes it feel so realistic and more grounded. 3rd person games are more suited to always outdoors open worlds with very few exceptions.

In short I 100% completely disagree with you, your viewpoint on the issue, and them having to delay the game because of a niche group of people crying about a 3rd person camera which honestly is not that appealing for a game like this.

[BadElf]

No. Just no. But, If you're a fan of CD Project Red like a lot of people say...ask yourself why you are a CD Project Red fan.
Is it because of their great open worlds?
Great quests/side quests?
Fun combat?
The characters?
How respectful/generous CDPR are to their fans? To gaming in general?
The amount of content they PACK into their games? Where a lot of companies wouldn't even have HALF the content?

Or are you and all the people complaining about it fans because...their games have been in third person?
Or, maybe not fans at all?

[spicelicka]

I think that would be pointless. Adding a third person angle for the sake of it just doesn't work. I would be like Fallout 4, not cinematic just clunky. You can't expect to put and FPS in angle in a game like Uncharted, similarly you can't expect to have a TPS more in a game like this.

I see what you are trying to say, just so people can see their character. But after seeing the gameplay, it's going to look terrible.

[girevik]

And while developers are at it they should make Mario Odyssey a MOBA, Doom a point and click adventure, and Spiderman as a GWENT style card game because I'm an entitled little man....

[AspiringProGenji]

Here, let me take my time creating a character I won’t be able to see for like 80% of the game. So immersive...

[AngainorG7X]

So true

[BadElf]

Wait, where did you guys get the info you wont see your character for 80% of the game?

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Here, let me put this outfit on in real just so I can go to work and walk around all day just to not look at myself. Immersion pffff fake ass world

[JaXion5]

That's the dumbest comparison I've ever heard in my life. lol

[Sam Fisher]

Lmfao that was on point actually

[xlbLoOdlx]

Because life is in third person?/s I’m not sure why people think third person would be more immersive than how you actually live your life. Think about this in terms of VR, you don’t see companies rushing to make third-person games to increase immersion.

[Prince-Ali]

@KwieStorm.. that what just absolutely stupid!!!! loool

@xlblodlx
The reason 3rd person would be more immersive for THIS type of game is because you're not playing as YOURSELF! The story and everything about it is about this character 'v' V isn't us! The only place 3rd person is more immersive is FPS games as we represent this soldier or whatever thats fighting tooth and nail for survival... But in an RPG with this type of story and art style we are simply this character and living through their story and not having it in 3rd person ruins the immersion because we cant see them reacting to the world and vice versa... It's the same logic as trying to have Uncharted or tomb Raider be an First Person game the games would still function but would ABSOLUTELY no where neaaaarrrrr as immersive if they had an First Person Perspective because Nathan Drake and Lara are their own entities and we're playing as THEM not as us so when things happen in the game we feel for the character not US!

[Exvalos]

In real life you can at least look down and see your shoes and clothing, in gaming 1st person games you cant. I just exposed you sir.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

Thank you, we as people only know immersion in FP, so for someone to say TP is "More" immersive, scares me lol. It's as easy as some games fit with TP better and some with FP, thats it

[frostypants]

@JaXion5, how is it a dumb comparison? It's spot on.

[AspiringProGenji]

Well I am shocked at all these real life comparisons LMAO! Most FPS games you can’t even see your shoes. At least when I put on some shit I can still see it myself

There isn’t even multiplayer to show off your character. Even Destiny has 3rd person perspective so you can see the character you created. Why isn’t there a option here, or some form of it like even Deus Ex? All these “deep” characters creation tools yet you won’t be able to see your character. That’s just odd to me. In the end I will probably won’t care because it is their vision and it could be a solid game, but still... I wish they considered it

[Vegamyster]

Prince-Ali

You're seeing the world through their eyes aka still roleplaying so i really don't get your argument, you can get a sense of what they're feeling through their voice ect as we saw in the trailer when V was being hacked by that woman with the body guard, i didn't need to look at her to know she was in discomfort. Uncharted was built as a 3rd person game, i'm sure if it was a first person game they'd change things to accommodate that view so you can't make the same comparison, same goes for other games.

[xlbLoOdlx]

They want immersion, when you put on your clothes do you walk around looking at yourself in third person? This makes no sense.

[Christopher]

Clothing, as explained in the gameplay video, is about stats. Looks is more about cut scenes than anything else. It's also, while giving you lots of options, the least important part of character creation.

[AspiringProGenji]

Lol I don’t need a camera behind me to see if I’m looking good. I don’t understand how that comparison makes sense

[Fluke_Skywalker]

The whole point is that you don't see the character, the character is you. That's what they mean by immersion.
When playing a third person game you may feel more of a connection to the character, but it's still very much that character and not you.
I love Geralt (in a manly way) but I never felt as though I was the character, it was Geralt, I just controlled him.
They want you to feel like it is you in that world, and first person is better for that.

[Dissidia]

Right on the money.

[AspiringProGenji]

In MHW I feel like I am the characther I just created. You don’t need 1st person perspective to feel that only. W3 is not the same because you are already roleplaying as a character that is stablished, same with Aloy.

[CorndogBurglar]

You love Geralt "in a manly way"?

I'm not sure "in a manly way" made you sound any less gay than if you hadn't put that part in.

[lipton101]

Cry me a river.

Bottom line, don’t buy it. Be “that guy.” Because in the end, nobody will care.

Your opinion doesn’t matter.

If you envision a similar game in 3rd person, MAKE IT YOURSELF. You’re not entitled to anything, no matter how loud you whine

[AspiringProGenji]

I will still buy the game so you can stip being so rude and defensive. I am still buying the game but I’d like a 3rd person option.

[frostypants]

Like...every FPS RPG? So? You think it's more "immersive" to see yourself from the outside at all times? Wat? Do you know what "immersive" means? You may find third person more engaging...but it's definitively less immersive.

[carcarias]

Exactly. I wrote a similar thing here and on the CDPR forums. I think people are arguing over a word which seems to have different meanings to them.

Some people seem to be interpreting immersive as meaning 'more enjoyable according to my tastes', 'spectacular', 'breathtaking' or, as you just so nicely summed it up, engaging. I think most of us here though agree that it means, in a gaming context, feeling that you're actually in the game, as much as is possible anyway.

[carcarias]

It's interesting to read people using the word immersion and seemingly having different interpretations of it.

When I look at the vistas on offer when playing Witcher 3 or Horizon Dawn I see these gorgeous landscapes with beautiful lighting and I can't help but sit and marvel at them, really 'drink' them in, so to speak. It's almost hypnotic. However, it's not what I call immersive in the truest sense based on my definition though. Atmospheric? Yes. Entrancing? Yep.

For me, immersion means one thing, 'being there'. Or rather, feeling as much as possible that it's me in the game, not an avatar. I think that is what most gamers consider immersion to be and therefore there's this constant misunderstanding happening, imho.

Think about this, the games that really need you to feel it's you in the game use 1st person. Outlast, Amnesia, Alien Isolation, Half-life, Bioshock etc... and that's before we even mention VR, a medium which has its whole foundation built on being the most immersive experience available.

[Gatsu]

Except you can see your characters many times in the game...

[jbull]

Don't know why they couldn't have shown the demo originally at E3 to the public as I thought it was fantastic, like a more open colourful Deus Ex on steroids.
Know it is stated that its open world/rpg but its an FPS at its core so the way they have the shooter mechanics set up we can forget about Third Person mode which is a shame as the character customization looks fantastic and not seeing your character that you designed interact with the world around you is a shame.
I would be amazed if they got close to that demo working on PS4/XboxOne in the final game as this has next gen written al over it or expect a big downgrade and open world not as big a we hoped.

[pcz]

The first person perspective is to gaming what house music (or 4/4 beat) is to music. its popular, accessible and allows lots of freedom within its template...

But its also samey, tired, exhausted and frankly cliche. its the safe option.

to me, instead of being something new and exciting, its 'just another FPS'

[KwietStorm_BLM]

First person is fine. If it's not for you, it's not for you. You don't have to buy it.

[lipton101]

Exactly. I come to this website and just constantly shake my head as I see these comments. These people only know how to mindlessly consume. They create nothing. They have no artistic vision whatsoever nor the courage to create something and put it into the public sphere for all to judge. Yet they whine and demand and complain. Nobody is entitled to anything. If they enjoy the creation, great. If not, nobody cares

[greywolf39]

They need to make the game THEY want. If it means it will be 1st person, then let it be. The freedom is why SONY has the best games and we need to see more of that thinking in gaming industry from other developers also

[slate91]

So much whinning I cant take it lol. Are these the same people complaining about battlefield 5 also? Where are they coming from?!

[Chaosdreams]

Hold true to your vision. The FPS perspective won me over in the demo.

[The_Sage]

I have no problem with the perspective. The numbers racking up above people's heads as I shoot them many many times?... I hope that can be shut off in a menu.

[carcarias]

Just in case you never played W3, I thought I'd mention that CDPR had a whole host of options for turning off screen info. I expect the same here since, like you, I didn't like the numbers.

[The_Sage]

Cool.

[Mylove1516]

With all the customizable character stuff it was odd to have it be in first person. I never understood this with elder scrolls and other games that are highly customizable and chose the first person perspective. I will still buy this game day one though, CDPR is a dev i trust to deliver.

[RebelWAC]

I prefer 3rd person myself but don't mind 1st person games at all. With 1st person in mind though it would be crazy if they would implement VR.. oh man oh man oh man.

[gangsta_red]

I honestly thought it would be 3rd person. And was a little disappointed it wasn't, but seriously, it is in no way enough for me to complain and get second thoughts on getting this game.

[ziggurcat]

... so then why have it as a 1st person game? Just make it a 3rd person game.

[Christopher]

Many doesn't mean most nor does it mean all nor does it mean that's the reason to change the design choice.

They're aware of how people feel, that doesn't mean they should change their goals just because some people won't like it. I believe it's their hope that the resulting gameplay will win people over and make them go with their design choice much like Deus Ex or the Dishonored games.

Edit: Strange to see such a huge amount of complaining here but not for Doom, Wolfenstein, Dishonored, and similar games. And it's not about history from the company, otherwise we would be complaining about HZD not being in first person perspective.

[ziggurcat]

All the power to them, but if there's no 3rd person POV option, I probably ain't buying.

I think people would have complained if Doom/Wolfenstein reboots were made 3rd person since those games have historically been FPS (and instrumental in establishing the genre). I suspect that there would have been complaints if the Dishonored/Deus Ex sequels were made 3rd person, too.

People also ask for 1st person POV for 3rd person games all the time, so I don't see how this is any more problematic than those instances. I also don't think it would be changing their design if they simply added the option to play in a different POV.

[HeisenbergX]

I still don't like it i'm sorry CDPR :(

[smolinsk]

But many also like first person, I love for one..

[Femto]

I hope they keep it first person, if it bothers you that much then don't play.

[CarlDechance]

I'll play this on PC. I hate first person on console. But either way glad they are sticking to their vision.

[masterfox]

There are some very valid points outhere, like someone said, why spend so much time customizing your character that you won't even will have the chance to see it while playing and only will be appreciated in cutscenes.

[mixelon]

Maybe there’ll be a lot of reflective surfaces around and good reflections. And a photo mode? If it’s well programmed hopefully NPCs in the world will react/behave differently depending on what you’re wearing, that’d be the most immersive/closest to realism you could get.

As long as it’s better than in Oblivion.. “It’s you! The hero of Kvatch!”

[sinspirit]

Your choices creating them affects you later on. It also will bring that moment of realization of how much you change when you finally look in the mirror after modding your body so much.

[Gatsu]

There will be more moments when you can see your character. Did you even watch the gameplay video?

[Furesis]

Spending 15-30 mins customizing your character is nothing that's not a valid point. Then just don't customize if it bothers u that u cant "see" him/her. I can't believe the amount of whining. They made me into a whiner now lmao. Such a none issue. This complaining only exists because they made the witcher series (game that is 3rd person) and many love it and as we know people hate change. If this same game was made by some unknown developer no one would be complaining. Trust me... sometimes we don't know what we want lol. I was sceptical at first too but when i saw the gameplay i went aah.. i see what they mean by "more immersive". Besides i'm sure there will be a Mod that lets u do 3rd person in the first week guaranteed.

[sinspirit]

And, people don't understand that this is a city, which will have many cramped environments that aren't suitable for 3rd person.

Not to mention it would give augmentations that are purposed for seeing through walls, around corners, and slowing the pace you take when sneaking and perks like the arm blades. Which gave a very mirrors edge type vibe in how you are stuck to the wall but can look behind you and jump to your target. Just imagine Mirrors Edge as a third person game. It had a lot of enclosed environments and constricted routes to take, despite being in a city. Yes, it was linear, but you will find a lot of these industrialized and confined routes throughout Night City.

Deus Ex was a great example of fitting both perspectives in. But, this games doing a lot more than Deus Ex. They want this game to be more realistic and gruesome.

Being a FPP also brings more attention to what they want you to see.

[King_Noctis]

I have motion sickness and I can not play fast motion FPS game for too long. So far the only first person game that did not cause me problem is Kingdom Come (that is a fast moving game). So I hope CDPR somehow have a way to mitigate this problem.

[mixelon]

They could always do a NMS and add 3rd person a couple of years after launch.

.. Sort of joking.

I dunno, watching the gameplay in this case it looks super immersive in first person. 3rd person tends to add a level of clunky unrealisticness that negatively impacts IQ. If they want it first person only that seems totally reasonable.

[Sm3000]

I really don't understand this. It's not like they are biased against 3rd person, the Witcher series shows that.
They believe 1st person is the way to go with this, what's the problem?

[latinillusion81]

If they're smart they'll include a 3rd person shooter option.

[Christopher]

Yeah, and if they don't, they're just dumb. Stupid AAA developer with a long history of making games. They should listen to all the people on the forums who don't make games on what makes a good game. It's definitely not FPP! That's for certain! No one has made a FPP that has sold well.

[Kumakai]

Pretty hard not to know peoples opinions these days. Don’t like it? Don’t buy it.

[MadLad]

Tough.

[Harryvok]

Third person isn’t going to work very well now when the game doesn’t have a dedicated cover system. It was built for first person and they’d have to do a lot of work now to make third person work (like putting in an entire cover system). While I personally would have preferred third person, I’d say it’s too far gone to put in now without massive delays. I still think it looks amazing and will but on release.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

They could always do it after like what R* did with GTA5, albeit in reverse.

[Ausbo]

The first person looks great. Stick to your guns CD Projekt

[Rebel-Dew]

NVm.

[Mr_cheese]

Stick to your guns, it's your creative vision.

As a gamer, we have freedom of choice to play it or not play it.

For me, day 1

[LoveSpuds]

I just cannot stand the way society is going in respect of these sodding self entitled crybabies who kick off if a given videogame isn't tailored specifically to their own desires, it makes my blood boil in fact.

Whether it's this scenario, Battlefield or even claims that Naughty Dog games representing a variety of characters is a bad thing, these utter cretins honestly believe that creators should abandon their own creative vision to pander to the whims of a bunch of internet whingers.

The idea that you cannot make a decent RPG in a first person perspective is patently ridiculous. I think back on Deux Ex on PC back in the day and recall just how immersive that game was, or Fallout 3 and Skyrim more recently.

Ultimately, you moaners have no right at all to ask for changes to any game, grow up, your personal preferences do not matter to anyone but yourself.

[Stanjara]

Barlog had a vision, everybody was in doubt. He said "NO! Listen people I have a dream!"

[WheatBread]

They should bring this game to the Oculus/Vive.

[m2stech]

Just give everyone a third person photo mode to take screenshots in different parts of the city and most should be happy.

[soulrebel]

The developers should stick to their vision. They've proved their worth. 'Fans' trying to tell CDPR how to do their job need to sit down.

[psuedo]

As we can see by the majority of the down and up votes on the oldest comments catering to the minority would cost them more money with little pay off. People who want 3rd person will still buy it for the most part. Some might not, but most will. If they worked on 3rd person as I said again it will cost them more for not much more reward for the effort. If you want 3rd simply play something else....

I want a new Socom game.....well I want it so it should be done.....it's not fair I demand it..... people will buy it....they NEED to do it...

See how ya sound.

[Charlieboy333]

I swear some people are just f*#king morons who are not able to put a thought together. Just THINK about the demo and the kind of tight spaces, small rooms, narrow passages and low ceilings present in the game. Do you honestly think a third person perspective would be more immersive with some wall, pillar, object blocking your view every 10 steps!? Or would you prefer the immersive solution of the wall, pillar or object just magically disappearing in an invisible haze just so you can look at your characters ass?? Dumb ungrateful f*#cks

[Smilegang1337]

Spot on mate, you hit the nail on the head!! 3rd person just doesn’t make sense for how that game is set up

[Furesis]

ahh thank you! Not many think these things.
In a way i can't blame them though they are going by their surface emotions which i believe comes from the love of the witcher series(3rd person) so they are blinded by it and think it's the only and best solution so they are stuck hating fps (and yes first person is more immersive that's why VR is first person). Some are just mob mentality and others truly don't like fps(minority but very vocal). Sometimes we just don't know what we really want. I'm sure there will be a 3rd person Mod so they should just chill.

[Harmonizer]

Here's hoping the vocal minority doesn't make them change the game too much. It looks great.

If they add third person view as a choice, fine. Just dont force it upon the rest of us.

[watchem]

You can't just slap on a third person perspective just like that. The game is specifically designed for the first person experience. Why can't people just trust CDPR's decision and vision for the game. Don't you think they already have had this discussion in countless meetings? Everyone should just calm their tits and be happy :)

[Gatsu]

Not sure have I ever seen so much whining about the 1st or 3rd person in a game before. I mean holy shit....gamers know how to f*cking cry these days. It just goes oooon and ooon. Think about the demo, 3rd person WON'T WORK IN THE WORLD THEY CREATE. There will be many moments when you can see your character in the game, why is that not good enough for you?

[Ziege_UK]

I'm more than happy with what I've seen. First person greater immerses you in the world they've created.

[Chexs1990]

Tell those people to f**k off then. Make games you guys want to create, and let it be judged on release :)

[GordyNYC]

Adding a good third person view would require a lot of new animation, new models, not to mention all the ways that third person will need to interact credibly with the environment. I prefer they add it later, if at all.

[1060FX8300]

This isn't The Witcher.

This is CYBERPUNK

[blacktiger]

And yet call of duty makes a billion a year

[GamingInFrames]

To each their own, I guess. I mean, I'm pretty set in my own gaming ways. In fact, I won't play a game if it's in 3rd person... only 1st person for me. I simply like the more immersive feel of 1st person games, along with the feel of having better control over my character. That being said, I only play single player games.

[capjacksparrow]

They should not bow down to fans. A creative vision shouldn't be compromised for whiny babies. I personally prefer third person games like TLoU, Uncharted, and GoW, but every once and while you get a Bioshock, and I wouldn't have that game any other way. Let them make their damn game and STFU. This isn't a Fallout or Elder Scrolls, it'll have a better, more well constructed story. They're doing forst person for a reason, and I look forward to seeing it play out.

[spambot0815]

there's a fundamental difference between people who prefer first person to 3rd person and vice versa. the player who prefers first person likes to project him/herself into the charater he/she's playing why the person who prefers 3rd person doesn't. and that's also why i don't want RPGs to be first person because i wanna play a character (preferably one i like) in a world (same), i don't want to be the character in a game.

[totalgaminglegend]

What I do not understand is, if they know people have a preference first person and the third person then why not just give the option to play in either and just mention at the start that they suggest you play it, the first person, as the game was intended for that view. As they have the animations in place already, unless they are doing some shifty gameplay tricks where the character you play as isn't actually 3D to save on processing. I could only ever imagine that would be the case if so.

Odd if they do not add it anyway. I am looking forward to playing this game, id like the choice personally.

[stefd75]

Well i didnt like 3rd person on Witcher 3 but still played it and enjoyed it. If people dont like then dont buy it, anyway they could always patch it in the future.

[2pacalypsenow]

Yeah because that's what we need, another 3rd person shooter.

Let CD projekt do what they want, i'm positive it will turn out great.

[TheHan]

Some games allow camera views to change. Maybe down the road they might, but my first look at the gameplay is shut up and take my money lol. Be a game I would buy in a heart beat. Even though it’s not finished.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Well if they dont add a 3rd person mod; I guarentee modders will.... In time...

[Noz]

Really? i fukin hat those third person perspectives, im so glad they have first person view!

[Wolf873]

I don't mind the first person view, but I think they are seriously losing an opportunity to make this a further immersive game with VR support for Ps4 and PC by not implementing the said feature. That'd have been icing on the cake.

[SinisterKieran]

i'm a bit worried by all this "things will change before release and it may not be the same."
its okay saying it but they sure are saying in a lot and enforcing it.

also, just fucking deal with it people. don't buy it if you don't like it, simple.

[Spartacus10]

Always preferred first person over third. Making your character aim somewhere using a GUI from a much higher height than your character seems a step backwards from first person which offers 1:1 control and a more realistic view point.

I hope this doesn't delay the game and if there is continued interest in a 3rd person view, they add it on with a patch later on.

[WorldGamer]

Jeez. This is ridiculous. Let us try this, The Witcher series is a 3rd person action RPG, has been since its inception and is beloved for that. Cyberpunk is a different game by the same developer and is a 1st person experience as designed by the developer.

You want 3rd person CD Project RPG, go play the Witcher and/or wait for a new version of the game. If you are bitching about Cyberpunk being 1st person, don't get the game, it's not for you. Plenty of options for you out there.

This is why there seems to be a lack of innovation in gaming, people can't wait and judge a game on its own merits. CD Project is one of the best developers out there, give them the creative room to bring us something different. Simple as that.

[Braindeadninja]

1st person or 3rd person doesn't matter. Either way its boring.

[adonisisfree]

Leave it the way it is, first person isn’t a deal breaker when it comes to revolutionary AAA titles.

[BadElf]

And thankfully they are very aware, they don't have to change for them. Either respect their decision, and trust them to make a great game...or go play the new Tomb Raider(ooooof)

[Monkeymajik11]

I love how people think that are the creative genius in games when things don't appease them. Let the devs do their job and well see the outcome.

[BadElf]

Calm down and ask yourself why you are a fan of CD Project Red.
Is it because of their great open worlds?
Great quests/side quests?
Fun combat?
The characters?
How respectful/generous CDPR are to their fans? To gamers in general?
The amount of content they PACK into their games? Where a lot of companies wouldn't even have HALF the content?

Or...is it only because...they did 3rd Person games? I get it, people have their preferences. But, its CD Project Red we're talking about here lol.

[Fearmonkey]

Game is a first person game, suck it up whiners. I prefer 1st person, I didn't complain that The Witcher games were in third person.

[Flewid638]

Just make it optional.

My only fear is that in FPS games that make TPS optional, the TPS looks so weird. You get this strafing, waist-shifting movement instead of a character that runs/walks naturally.

If they add a Third Person view and it looks natural I will buy day 1.

[NotanotherReboot]

Don't like it don't buy it

[DimensionalSound]

I hope they reconsider making it FPS-only. While I certainly want a sci-fi RPG in first person--especially to replace the slightly disappointing experience of modern Deus Ex titles--I have to say that seeing this game in action was a little underwhelming. A third person option would be nice and given their reputation, I don't think delaying the game a bit more to make sure it's a polished third-person option (not the sort of lame experience found in Elder Scrolls) would work out well for them.

Though my biggest concern is that the are playing with more of the aesthetics of the cyberpunk genre than the deeper, more thought-provoking aspects of it---and not just lame speculation like "wut if we had computers in brains and corporations were big? humans but robots? leather and colors and spikes?"