Shigeru Miyamoto Urges Game Developers To Embrace Subscription-Based Services

Or go the way of the dinosaur

[-Foxtrot]

I feel like I'm getting seeing contradicting statements

http://n4g.com/news/2196785...

Don't be greedy yet urges gamers to embrace subscription models developers ALWAYS get greedy with and want us to
embrace it. I mean this is the company who sold us a hardcore mode in Breath of the Wild as DLC in the first expansion but if you just wanted the second expansion which was meatier you had to buy the first one aswell, they didn't allow people to buy them separately. That's kind of greedy no? Doing that setup but on top of it selling you a hardcore mode as DLC, something other companies would put in as a free update.

[kevnb]

developers develop, publishers sell games and decide what micro transations they should have. I know, Im a developer and I just code for a pay check.

[michellelynn0976]

Subscription based is not the same as MT or LB. Also, No one forces you to buy the Amiibos. It's voluntary and they give you free dlc a lot of times.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

I'll rather go, play, and invest in dinosaur please and thank you

[JackBNimble]

Ark?

[XiNatsuDragnel]

You know it bud ;)

[thatguyhayat]

So this is what happens when you crossplay with Microsoft eh? Becoming a hypocrite to what he said a year ago. I hope this doesn't happen

[Goldenarmz]

Are you the same person from a Year ago? 3 Months ago? 6 months ago? Dont be stupid.

[Goldenarmz]

lol @nintend, oh shut up and grow up.

[rainslacker]

I kind of like Nintendo better when they basically said screw everything that seemed to be a fad or things that were trending and were going to become a norm in the future. Remember when they said that achievements were a distraction from the game which is why they weren't going to include them in their games? Good times.

[SegaGamer]

How exactly are devs going to be able to make money on a subscription service? Maybe if publishers all had one subscription service each, but that doesn't guarantee money. If they all had a subscription service, people would be picking and choosing who to sign up to, nobody would be able to afford all of them. But something like Gamepass isn't going to work either, how is something so cheap going to help devs reclaim the money spent on making games?

[gangsta_red]

"How exactly are devs going to be able to make money on a subscription service?"

Perhaps it'll be set up like something similar to what Spotify does and for every song someone listens to, that artist gets paid. (Granted no much) But maybe for a developer in this industry it's much more.

"...but that doesn't guarantee money."

Only death is guaranteed. But not doing something like this can also guarantee no money and potentially being left behind if and when this becomes standard.

"...how is something so cheap going to help devs reclaim the money spent on making games?"

You have to figure...10 bux times how many active subscriptions, monthly? That's a nice chunk of change they may get from users who DL their game on top of retail and digital.

[Kavorklestein]

I agree there has to be decent enough money in subs.

Otherwise why would Netflix and Hulu not just be digital marketplaces like Vudu or steam where they still sell ir 'rent' instead? Because mass content and subs do get folks paid after all.

I used to work for netflix, and rhey made nearly 10 billion a year which they could do Anything they wanted with.

So, if we are going to talk about GAMING specific subs, GAMEPASS IS THE BEST DEAL BY FAR.

Gamefly is too much, AND too slow to send and receive disks each month...

EA Access is the cheapest but you're also limited to EA ONLY titles, and they are not as good about cycling old and new thru the Vault as gamepass...

And then you have PSNOW, which is basically last gen Only, and yet still manages to be the biggest rip off all of them somehow... PLUS the worst quality... aka streaming instead of installs.

Gumby has a valid point... most people seem to ONLY dislike this because it is MS exclusive and I'll bet that deep down, it makes them wish they had more options like gamepass.

That is all.

[Spurg]

It's very obvious that MS has to bear a cost to license their games on Gamepass. Its the same feature as Netflix, Amazon prime, and many other streaming networks do make entertainment studios release their movies and shows.

"If they all had a subscription service, people would be picking and choosing who to sign up to, nobody would be able to afford all of them."
Only the biggest publishers are going to have their own service, for example, the big are set to have their own. EA has their own service but I doubt they will even try to publish other publishers game like Ubisoft's Assassins Creed. Only the big 3 are will publish games on their service. And similar to how Netflix, amazon prime, Hulu and Sky Atlantic fight for HBO, Showtime and other networks, the big 3 are going to have to negotiate to get publishing rights.

MS has already secured Bethesda as a partner and they also have The division from Ubisoft. Gamepass is already on route to be the Netflix of gaming.

[Kavorklestein]

Shhhh! Hush!
Don't point out that MS is making daring decisions that seem to be paying off! That kind of thing gets some guys sweating thru their fingertips amd makes them PM you about how Dino Crisis, MediEvil, and Final Fantasy helped them thru some of the lowest points in their life.

And they'll also type till they have blisters on their hands from a predictably bland stash of excuses saying xbox is dead or other old dead horse excuses. All in all it just makes them sound like the punk kid at school who says he hates pokemon just because you caught a Mewtwo first.... but keep your voice down!

1st party, singleplayer games are the ONLY thing that people are allowed to enjoy or have fun with, remember?

[rainslacker]

It could be a good thing for older games I suppose. The service provider would pay them to license the game for the service, which is good if the game itself isn't selling much.

There is a chance that people could still buy the game despite being on the service. Like with Game Pass, games are on there for a limited time.

I'd imagine for any game with DLC or MT, there is the chance for gaining revenue that way too.

[thornh]

No.

[Goldenarmz]

How is Subscription Based services any different from Gamefly? Blockbuster back in the day when people rented video games along with their movies? Netflix? Spotify? Use it for games you want to try out but not buy or wait to go on sale. Purchase the ones you want, why is it all or nothing with gamers?

[SegaGamer]

The difference is that there are more ways to make money from tv shows, movies and music than there is games. If they were to ditch sales through DVD / Blu-ray / CD's / Downloads and just put everything on a subscription service, they would still have something big where they can make money. Outside of Netflix, Movies will always make money because of Cinema, then there are world wide tv deals that will make them a huge amount of money, this is the same with tv shows. Music artists have gigs where they can make their money, plus all of the money through ads, tv and radio.

Games don't have these things, so if they were to ditch having their games being bought in physical form or digital and just went full subscription, then where will they make their money?

[Prince-Ali]

coming from the WORST company out of all the big 3 when it comes to online infrastructure and attitude toward the online world of gaming! how ironically funny!! ¬__¬

[sazselesbon]

Winter is coming!

[Movefasta1993]

I don't want to be a conspiracy theorist BUT, but I see the big three trying to force us in to these and digital in general by creating disc(ect.) reading faulty in their platforms encouraging us to go digital. But they wouldn't do something that cruel right? We'll see next gen

[PhoenixUp]

Nintendo is the last company that should be talking about companies potentially becoming dinosaurs

[gtxgamer2]

Hell to the no. Get that greedy bs away from my games

[AK91]

Ugh

[FallenAngel1984]

Never thought I’d hear Miyamoto praise services, but then again he has said plenty of BS statements in the past

[Tross]

Yeah, because Shigeru Miyamoto is a huge expert on what the consumer wants. /s Nintendo may have gotten lucky and stumbled upon a gimmick that actually appeals to gamers, but they've proven time and again that they don't understand modern gamers. I would have given the words of Shigeru more credit back when Nintendo was the industry leader. Here's a hint Nintendo: if you're going to try and rip someone else off in an attempt to win back your place in the industry, go with the industry leader, not the company whose system your current one is on track to beat sales-wise. Either that or just stick with doing your own thing as it's working for you for the time being. Also, please listen to your fans. They're clamouring for great software support, not GaaS.

[Enigma_2099]

First the cloud saving crap, now this. Are you TRYING to get on my bad side, Shiggy?

[DivineAssault]

I wont game in a world like that. Just play obscure retro games forever

[Aenea]

Funny, didn't I just see an article about the Mario creator saying that game companies must not get too greedy?

[PCgamer98]

Nintendo should stay the heck away from ms. Now they're starting to think like them.

[SinisterKieran]

we're already paying for a subscription based service...two of them named xbox live gold and PS+

[Bleucrunch]

Yea the way of the dinosaur in terms of gaming as per this article seems to be working just fine. You want a video game you go out and purchase a physical copy of the game, alternatively, (if available) you can purchase the digital version of the game, that is your choice.

I believe that games as a service will become mandatory and companies will remove choice from you and you are forced to pay digitally. Now for folks who are ok with that fine....one may call you misguided but fine nonetheless. I am just confused as to why some folks trust these gaming companies for a second.

I think what will happen is us buying digital games we play as much as we want anytime we want, then down the line the game is not available anymore just like how shows are not available anymore on Netflix and Hulu. You heard it here first....we really need to not allow this to become mandatory....I do not know how much I can stress this.

[Vetgamer]

Yeah get game pass get to last 20min of game.. Go away for few days, find its left the service. Don't worry though you can purchase game. No thanks that's twice now, Im done with that service next please.

[Nano_predator]

its like he have no sympathy for the people with low income and cant afford subscription or even have Credit card to swipe , this type of agenda should never get a pass in the gaming community , i think its time to stand against them , No wonder they are behind rom sites :O

[CrimsonWing69]

I'm in for it as long as you don't give me the option for physical media. If that' the case I will always choose physical media over digital media. I'm stupid like that, that's my business.

[trooper_]

You're drunk Nintendo.

[inxine]

yeaa... no thanks.

[Gwiz]

" Don't be greedy " we gotta make them needy :D

[michellelynn0976]

Sorry Nintendo, I disagree. If you do it right, it could be good, but I'm unsure about subscription based.