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‘Detroit: Become Human’ has a lackluster story | Sun Gazette

Sun Gazette: "There is a point in “Detroit: Become Human” where I really believed in it."

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OB1Biker70d ago (Edited 70d ago )

I started reading the article but immediately got annoyed with how they go on about Cage this Cage that and stopped wasting my time.
Can someone explain why the journalists seemi to have this Cage obsession?
We know they like focussing hate but how many other games do they actually have any interest in one man rather than the game?
Do they go Druckman this or Andrea Pessino that or Sam Lake that?
Even superstar Kojima is not the focus when people talk about his games.

KickSpinFilter70d ago

Johnny Cage is in Detroit!!!! Sweet! Guess I have not come across him in my four playthroughs...
Almost Plat'd!

coolbeans70d ago

"Can someone explain why the journalists seemi to have this Cage obsession?"

I'll do my best.

1.) He's been pretty open about tying himself to Quantic Dream since the studio got real spotlight. The guy OPENLY stated "judge me by my work" surrounding this recent employer scandal. Why should journalists be excoriated all of a sudden for taking a grown man at his word and doing just as he suggested?

2.) He's said & written some incredibly laughable stuff in the past. It's not that hard to rake him through the coals.

-"Even superstar Kojima is not the focus when people talk about his games."

Bull. Miyamoto, Kojima, Mikami, Schafer and more have been considered tentpole personalities with which people tie their character when discussing their games too--to various extents.

OB1Biker69d ago (Edited 69d ago )

@coolbeans
'The guy OPENLY stated "judge me by my work". Is that a bad thing? Yes I have no doubt people turn whatever he says into hate while OBJECTIVELY the same sentence utterred by anyone else would be respected..
You dont get it. Gaming 'journalists' were judging him for things that have nothing to do with gaming and what he does for gaming i. E. His work.
So yes, IF the article IS ABOUT DCage and judging him, THEN do take him to his words and talk about how well or how bad you think he does in his work related to gamng.

Thing is Detroit BH articles and reviews ARE NOT about DCage.

'2.) He's said & written some incredibly laughable stuff in the past. It's not that hard to rake him through the coals. '

Same problem. This is not about. DCage or 'Stuff in the past' . This article is supposed to be about DETROIT BH.
Like you said 'its not hard to rake' blah blah. And thats what people do. its called bias and lazy journalism.

coolbeans69d ago

-"Yes I have no doubt people turn whatever he says into hate while OBJECTIVELY the same sentence utterred by anyone else would be respected."

I've gotta ask honestly: what's with presenting this guy with such a victim mentality? You're starting off this response with such a weepy presentation as though journalists are only dog-piling on him for the sake of it. That's...not totally disingenuous but overly dramatic--at the least.

-"Gaming 'journalists' were judging him for things that have nothing to do with gaming and what he does for gaming i. E. His work."

I mean...in some case...I guess? I won't forget that one specific review which did unfairly smear him, but the majority are doing exactly that: judging his work oftentimes referencing his past work in the process. Heck, even this review you're literally COMPLAINING about namedrops Cage over and over in respect to analyzing design staples that he's infamous for: dialogue choices that "often beg for depth and almost always seesaw on a obvious good vs. bad binary," his approach to handling certain themes, etc. This is all about judging an artist and his art while weaving that into examining Detroit: Become Human.

-" This article is supposed to be about DETROIT BH.
Like you said 'its not hard to rake' blah blah. And thats what people do. its called bias and lazy journalism."

So now you've really lost me. Are journalists ONLY allowed to ever talk about just the game in question and not discuss an artist's past work? For me, I think that's a great way of informing a general audience of what to expect for any work. Take for example Dunkirk. Here's an unexpected take on a WWII movie that utilizes a lot of Christopher Nolan's directing + pacing staples that feels quite unique from other war films.

Raking David Cage's past "sins" (in respect to storytelling, design, etc.) isn't lazy journalism in the slightest; in fact, it demands a critic to remember more of his past work in order to find connections with his newest creation.

OB1Biker69d ago (Edited 69d ago )

@Coolbeans

"Yes I have no doubt people turn whatever he says into hate while OBJECTIVELY the same sentence utterred by anyone else would be respected."

'.presenting this guy with such a victim mentality?........as though journalists are only dog-piling on him for the sake of it. That's...not totally disingenuous but overly dramatic--at the least. '

Your reply to this is typically implying that the idea of DCage being unfairly pilloried by the press is ridiculous and anyone trying to suggest it is 'defending' him in some sort of fanboyism I reckon Right?

Just tell me with a straight face that another developer saying 'Judge me by my work' would not be respected even if you dont think much of their work. DCage is openly hated by a certain press and you know it. That should simply not interfere with a genuine review of a game. Most people don't fking care who DCage is.

coolbeans68d ago (Edited 68d ago )

-"Your reply to this is typically implying that the idea of DCage being unfairly pilloried by the press is ridiculous and anyone trying to suggest it is 'defending' him in some sort of fanboyism I reckon Right?"

It all depends on the context at the end of the day, right? If you recall from my previous comment, I did specify one review that would fit your characterization of him being pilloried by the gaming press. That was the D:BH review from Slant Mag. I responded to it here: http://n4g.com/news/2172798...

So I hope you don't misunderstand; there is a line to be drawn somewhere in defending him. And I'm going to claim ignorance on my part here b/c I genuinely don't know of any other reviews which have gone to such an extreme as the Slant Magazine reviewer did. Perhaps you've seen more of that elsewhere then me, which I can believe. But in this context here? I am tempted to consider this skirting into fanboy-ish territory of defending when the review in question just references him in the context of his writing, the dialogue staples of his cinematic games, etc. To me: you admitted in your first comment that splashing David Cage's name with fair intentions was enough to make you stop reading. Which is why I stand by what I've previously said.

-"Just tell me with a straight face that another developer saying 'Judge me by my work' would not be respected even if you dont think much of their work. DCage is openly hated by a certain press and you know it."

Well...what exactly do you mean by 'respected' here? B/c anyone who's work is submitted yearns for it to be judged. People like Peter Molyneux & Sean Murray are examples of the press going after their personalities for over-promising. It's not hard to find a certain collection of critics who may criticize Kojima's MGS series (from a story perspective) nowadays.

Again, I'm not disregarding Cage being disliked by a certain pocket of games media; but at the same time, the guy is willing to stick his neck out and spout some pretentious verbiage which, of course, games writers are going to respond against. This is how he differentiated Detriot: BH from something like Blade Runner:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Tw...

How do you expect people to NOT comment on such cringy quotes?

-"That should simply not interfere with a genuine review of a game. Most people don't fking care who DCage is."

As I already said, I find this kind of criticism to be superficial at best. Harping back on an artist's past work as a platform to discuss their newest "thing" doesn't mean the review is not genuine. Diving into more personal/legal matters disconnected from the artist's work? We can find common ground on that being a hindrance to the readers' engagement.

OB1Biker68d ago

Haha @Coolbeans
Let's just agree to disagree. I don't have time to waste on lengthy comments around here and you know just as well this is not going to be one in a million occurrences when someone on the internet is going to say 'I was wrong, you made me change my mind' haha
I'm not sure you understood my previous comment saying people don't care who Mr Cage is when they check out a review. It s also true for any other developer when reading a review. Its completely irrelevant for them.
I'll just leave it at that and let you have the last word since that's how it works on the internet. ;;)
No offense man.

coolbeans67d ago (Edited 67d ago )

-"I'll just leave it at that and let you have the last word since that's how it works on the internet. ;;)
No offense man."

Well I appreciate having the last word! :P

I apologize if these later comments just came off and overwhelming, but I felt compelled to cover every potential hole before it arises. It's just how I get sometimes.

"I'm not sure you understood my previous comment saying people don't care who Mr Cage is when they check out a review. It s also true for any other developer when reading a review. Its completely irrelevant for them. "

I can follow what you're saying. But, again, I just don't agree with it. Name-dropping prominent game directors (like Cage, Kojima, etc.) is becoming just as commonplace as bringing up film directors in movie reviews; further, I think a growing number of enthusiasts, like us on this site, do care at least a little bit.

In conclusion, I guess we've reached an impasse on this so I'll leave one last bit: I would implore you to at least read through this review once to see what I'm talking about. Said review never really bullies Cage, just criticizes him as an artist. Disagree with the assessment? That's fine if you still come away with that, but at least you'd have given it a fair shake.

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NecrumOddBoy70d ago

I think you're implying that this article has a lackluster story LOL but I think everyone thinks you like this garbage article. Confirm...

cliveo3269d ago (Edited 69d ago )

Your totally right bud i was saying that about the article i should have put it down better lol

psuedo70d ago

Isnt Sun Gazette a newspaper? Newspapers do reviews now?

coolbeans70d ago

Newspapers have done reviews for a long time now.

psuedo70d ago

Guess they got to curve their loss of readers somehow.

JaggedCarpet70d ago

I’ll have to agree. For example, Kara’s story is completely unnecessary and unrelated to Connor’s and Markus’ stories. You can get Kara killed in the first part of her story and the rest of the game will play out exactly the same. Plus the Alice “twist” is total BS as well. Completely ruins the human-android bond going on. It’s just a story that has already been done plenty of times before.

bigmalky70d ago

Slow news week for the hacks, it looks like. Usual Sony hate click generator pieces.

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