Developer Turn 10 has announced that it will be removing Prize Crates - Forza Motorsport 7's version of loot boxes - from the game this coming winter.
Good for MS, should have been done long ago though.
Good, the loot boxes and MT in AAA games are just disgusting.
I agree. Disgusting and shouldn’t continue. I wonder if any game developers, while playing other multiplayer games from other studios ever get annoyed when they come across MT’s in those games & day things like “I shouldn’t have to pay for this, no gamer should” yet they go back to work, applying MT’s into their games and defend the actions.
forza 7 loot boxes didnt cost real world money
@Clay More often than not, that's the publishers call to add them or keep them out. The devs may implement them and not like it, but they aren't the one's paying for the production of the game 99% of the time.
I'm not applauding Microsoft for anything, they were fully willing to put them in the game in the first place. If your going to applaud anyone applaud the gamers who said no and rejected loot boxes. This title would be more accurate if it said "Microsoft reluctantly removes loot boxes." If they really didn't want loot boxes they wouldn't have put them in in the first place.
@Srhalo Since Forza 7 you´ll not find lootboxes on any Xbox exclusive so i´m not sure why you´re telling Microsoft is all for it.
@Obscure_Observer Yea because gamers rejected them not because Microsoft didn't want them. GT Sport came out within a few weeks on Forza and it never had loot boxes or MT's in fact it has had much better post launch support than Forza. You shouldn't just blindly praise them.
@srhalo But GT Sport had very little content at launch and you had to be online just to save the game. Let face it, both games had problems at launch.
but they wherent for real world money.
It's not like the loot boxes in Forza 7 could even be purchased with real world money...
So MS take a stand and remove them, while others keep them in place, yet they are still the villains? Give credit where it is due. If we complain about the bad things we should say well done about the good things. If we do not then they might just think why bother and keep doing the things we hate.
I´m glad they decide to remove it from Forza 7. Hopefully we´ll never see lootboxes on Xbox games again.
these loot boxes were never sold for real money and were used for prizing which wasn’t so bad. If they were like many games out there (rocket league has to be one of the worst for paid loot boxes, you have to win loot boxes then have to buy a key to open them...i currently have 25+ loot boxes sitting there waiting) that do things like that it would have been a bigger issue. I remember arguing with people about the fact FM7s loot boxes were won with in game credits and was told that it was only a matter of time before they cost money. Well, i guess that time will never come.
That's only because of the backlash over loot boxes last holiday. The original plan was to monetize them Microsoft said as much. The only reason the game wasn't monetized to begin with was to deny reviewers the ability to review the monotization along with the game at launch, it wasn't a good will measure.
That doesn't even sound like loot boxes....just a random loot/prize thing that is available in a ton of games. If no money has to be spent on them, nor no money can be used to buy them(which is sometimes available even when in game), then I'm not sure why they would be bad at all. I could probably use up all 4000 characters of any comment making a list of games that offer up random loot in such a fashion. Sounds like something that people are commenting on a perceived notion here, rather than understanding that they are just named the same as what we generally don't like as gamers.
If they're not sold for real money then they don't count as loot boxes to me and instead is just the method it uses to unlock content.
Why? The loot boxes did not affect the overall game experience. I completely Finished Forza Motorsports 7 without purchasing a single loot box, and it took me less time than any other Forza Motorsports game.
They had intended to charge eventually but loot boxes became hugely unpopular.
@Scatpants Intention and doing for everything is a different story. Every company comes up with plans to monetize their products more and more and every company is constantly adjusting those plans based on market reactions.
It's like Shadow of War They only removed them because time had passed and they got what they wanted from them...removing them makes them look like are learning but really it's because they know there's not any point of them in an old title anymore
what exactly did they get out of paid for with in and currency and not real money loot boxes?
It means more people will want to buy coins to spend on lootboxes to see if they have a good chance of getting something which would normally be at a higher price. Buy some MTs, buy a Lootbox easier.
but you were never able to use real money to buy items or anything in forza 7, so again i ask, what did they get out of this then get rid of?
I'm so happy to see a pushback against this kind of thing finally. When microtransactions and DLC first started people were just letting it happen. That's how we got to this sucky nickle and dimey place in videogames.
Nice they are taking it out of Forza Horizon 4 as well
Good. Now if they'd only add Mount Fujimi Kaido, I'd pick it up...
No you wouldn't
I couldn't care less about so many cars, if there aren't enough varied & fun tracks in the game to enjoy racing on.
Nobody believes you. You always have something to complain about. Too many DLC is another of your favorites
There is too much dlc though. Especially considering they’re not included in even the most expensive of packages
The games already ship with up to 700 cars and free cars every month.
Yeah he does it all the time @team_litt.
My opinion about the loot boxes and how they should work in a racing game... Only for cosmetic items, no boosters or hidden cars. Give me a shop instead (like Horizon 4 does) where I can buy all the costumes, accessories and such from the beginning of playing the game Maybe some unique paint jobs for my car (really high quality and complex). Unicorn (behind some sort of a wall) cars are ok up to 10..no more. I absolutely don't like how they present the cars in the shop...all the f*cking VIP, DLC, Season Pass and other loot box cars should be on the separate menu or area, where do I go if I want to specifically see these cars...not mixing with the rest of the available cars.. This is really annoying and needs to stop.
My opinion of loot boxes: they're not welcome anywhere.
Just sell things straight up. There is no need for a gambling system.
Ok no loot boxes. All we need is a shop for all the items, special events and special points to buy all of this cosmetic thingy, credits only for the cars and tuning, exactly like FH4 does. Another currency would be necessary, as the money almost jumps itself into the pocket in a Forza game and then it would not be any more interesting.
These developers are starting to understand that loot boxes and micro-transactions cheapen the perceived value of their games. It's amazing that this is becoming more prevalent.
Good the more this happens the better. They do nothing but ruin gaming.
Here's hoping Gears 5 strips them out too. Microsoft exclusives became awful for microtransactions so maybe this is a sign off that being righted
Agree. I hate Loot boxes and MT in AAA games with passion. These business practices should have vanished in first place. Now only if EA and Activision listen, the gaming world would be a better place.
If it means going back to the standard DLC packs & splintered MP communities (haves & have-nots) then I'd say stick with loot boxes w/ free maps system. Strikes me as the lesser of two evils.
What way do the maps work for Gears 4 then? There's a season pass for them on the marketplace and some of them seem to be in rotation on a casual playlist but they're all old maps revisited
Gears 4 addresses this well. Matchmaking, the maps are free. But you have to pay for DLC in order to use the maps in private games.
I guess that's far better than alienating the user base and splitting it up alright. I much prefer that myself. Can't help but feel for those that bought a season pass though because that seems like a bad deal ha
i agree 100% id rather take cosmetic MTs and free DLC then paid DLC and seperating the player bases
Agree Gears 5 needs to get rid of lootboxes and the stupid online only horde mode, biggest selling point of the games and they lock it behind a paywall.
-"Can't help but feel for those that bought a season pass though because that seems like a bad deal ha" Yes, there were still kinks in Gears 4's system and HOW said free DLC could be played by everyone (that I never ran into since I just got the Ultimate Edition). Toning the loot box craze back and simply expanding free DLC maps across the board (no questions asked) would be a better way to go.
i really think halo 5 did it well. It had like 1:5 years worth of added content for free with the cosmetic loot boxes that could be bought with in game currency too
Halo 5 was an awful use of loot boxes because it felt like it changed the balance of power. The card system was terrible. I joined that game quite late and played a number of games where I would get stuck in a spawn because the opposite team had all the best weapons and vehicles.
Microsoft tells Turn 10.....Phil Spencer says "Hey guys we've sold as many copies of Forza 7 as we can sell no one is gonna purchase it now so let's cash in on a good PR move and remove the loot boxes but wait a few more months and after FH4 is released just in case we can make a buck or 2 more".
It's the stigma that has made them remove.. They could only be purchased using in game credits anyway
"Hey guys we've sold as many copies of Forza 7 as we can sell no one is gonna purchase it now" Horizon 3 made it to the UK bestsellers again a couple days ago
Mi thinks you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that would argue Forza 7 is anywhere near as good a game as FH3. Did Forza 7 make it to the top of any bestsellers chart at any time?
Yeah I'm an oddball myself. I adore the Horizon series but don't like the mainline numbered games at all
Or maybe this is a sign that they will not include any more lootboxes in their future games. Either way I am happy that MS finally realized that lootbox is not welcomed in an AAA premium game.
Forza needs to stay away from all loot boxes
Imagine a game like Phantasy Star Online but in 2018. Would probably look like a Korean MMO
Die loot boxes die
I uninstalled Forza 7 (PC) last week. Couldn't do an online race, problem connecting to the server for over 2 weeks! Didn't like the fact that it took up over 100GB in space, and it also locked me out of accessing the install folder (unable to use Reshade!!)
Is ReShade even compatible with DX12 titles?
Please don't turn this into a trend of including MT/LB at launch than months later announcing to remove them for gamers and making the game better By now they like Warner bros made their money so they want to be on the good side of gamers Fully priced AAA games shouldn't include any of these things to begin with This isn't just a comment about forza but about gaming publishers in general
@showtimefolks "By now they like Warner bros made their money so they want to be on the good side of gamers" By removing Lootboxes from Forza 7 should be a clear message that Turn 10 recognizes that Lootboxes was a mistake to never be made again.
Should as you should doesn't mean they do. It's easy to say we are going to remove a feature that not many are using right now than to say our next game will not launch with it to begin with And anyone who disagree with what I said in my original comment gamers like you are the reason publishers are becoming more and more greedy. Full priced games shouldn't have MT. Just look at shadow of war by removing the MT they made the grind easier that in itself shows you just to force people to spend money they made the game more grindy
@showtimefolks "Should as you should doesn't mean they do. It's easy to say we are going to remove a feature that not many are using right now than to say our next game will not launch with it to begin with" Yeah, why would they go through a lot of work posting a message on twitter saying their next game won´t feat loot boxes when it´s easier to change Forza 7´s whole in game economy by removing loot boxes, Right? /S I´ll favor actions towards words any day, but that´s just me. If you failed to understand their CLEAR message is not my place to make you understand. Forza 8 is gonna be released next year and to me is clear as day that Turn 10 will never implement loot boxes again. To think they´re removing loot boxes from Forza 7 just to announce that LTs are back on Forza 8 is nonsense! Time will tell the true meaning of Turn 10´s actions regarding LTs. Soon.
You sure didn't spend as much time criticizing them for including loot boxes as you do in praising them for removing them.
What greed are you talking about?? Prize crates in Forza Motorsport 7 CANNOT be purchased using real world cash. It's all in game credit from racing!
I am talking about in general not just forza. Look around some of the biggest games launch at full price with season passes and MT/LB
That's good. They didnt belong.
I absolutely stand by this decision, but I'm curious if they will give other means to unlock mods? I like the mods you get from crates. :(
Now remove them from Halo 5 and GOW4 please, Microsoft.