Steve C talks about why he thinks that Microsoft should give up on the Xbox One and put all their efforts and resources into the system's successor
Despite all efforts and all strategies executed, Microsoft was unable to change the fate of Xbox this gen. They should start focusing on next Gen. It is a good point of interest to see that in contrast, when Sony was destroyed last Gen with the PS3, they did managed to resurrect their console and turn the tides. They produced many amazing exclusives games and the gem 💎 The Last of Us.
It is what they always do: Focus on the next when they lose and try to be first. I really like Sony's long term support and comeback with the PS3. I want to play games on my current gen console, not next gen speculations
Lol, not next gen speculations.If they focus on next gen that will suck for people that invested in the One X it has only been out for 8 months
Ninja - I can see the x being supported as well next gen, just not the one s.
So you are saying that Sony is not partitioning enouch of your money already. Your a baller and you got enough time for all them Sony games and for Microsoft to turn speculation into reality. Must be nice bro.
which long term support? They let the PS3 die quite fast as soon as the PS4 was out. Yes there was GT6 … but well nothing really after that. Also they were quick on shutting down PS3-game servers. I really hope the PS4 gets a longer "long term support" than the PS3. Even the PS2 was supported far longer than the PS3.
@mulando Wrong! Thhe Ps3 got support for more than 8 years of its ligespan. It even got Persona5 like 2 years ago. What I meant with longterm support was that Sony doesn’t quickly abandon current gen for the next , unlike MS
yea... im not really even sure i want a next gen xbox either, not really interested in playing gears 6 , halo 9 , forza 11
To be fair MS was also releasing great games for the 1st half of last gen so both companies lacked at one point. Rrod was the nail in there coffin. Just now MS seems to be getting back in order which is why I believe it's time to move on and do it all over again the way it should of been done at 1st.
RROD was the start of the gen! It was that after the 360 recovered, more thank to MS's want to dominate the market and having the money to throw after and fix the bad, they then got lazy. Expected games to come to them while dictating terms of what kind of games came to them, a mentality that lead to the original XB1.
To also be fair. Sony starts every gen slow. Think about it.
With that mindset I wouldn’t be giving MS any money when they can just stop all of a sudden instead of focusing on what they have now. Might as well play their games on PC and not worry if they move forward or not
The xbox hasn’t had a ‘fate’ in a negative sense. The xbox hasn’t come close to the success of the PS4, it’s true. But it has still sold tens of millions of units and many people including myself enjoy playing games on it daily. They don’t necessarily need to beat the competition to be relevant. They just need to be profitable in their own right, and have people who want to buy their products. Just be happy that there are options! It keeps them all on their toes trying to please the customers :)
They are extremely profitable in their own right. Unfortunately, they left me and others behind when they shifted focus to games as a service, and the whole social thing. I'm just not into that.
But abandoning the folks who did invest in and Xbox One is NOT a good strategy. Sony picked up the pieces of the PS3 and keep delivering for the people who bought it. That is how you win. It is much easier to secure trust in the here and now than to promise tomorrow. Consistency is key here.
Where are these games that they did not work from supposed to magically come from RIGHT NOW hahaha?!
"Despite all efforts and all strategies executed," You mean after abandoning always online and media policies that essentially abandoned/ignored/exploited the console's core user base and hung an albatross around it? Then tried to compensate by offering a more powerful version of the system while focusing even less on game development. Are now promising games likely to be "community" and serviced based again ignoring single player - otherwise know as product? Wit that know of thinking I don't know how MS seems to keep failing. They should - finally! - follow Sony's example and just make games, which is what Sony has always done, but that's doubtful.
They pretty much have. They'll release some games until the next system comes out, and keep up the feature implementation, but they haven't done much with the X1 for the past couple years now in terms of game software support, and seem content on just making money off services, and 3rd party publisher licensing fees.
Yesterday it was announced that XB brought in $10 bln in revenue. Not much reason to jump to next gen yet.
Wait a minute. I thought MS had great YOY growth. Why should they all of a sudden focus on next gen? I’m sure they’re working on it already anyway but they shouldn’t stop delivering now. If I were a fan of them I would’ve already been mad that they did that last gen. They shouldn’t do it a second time. That would be stupid. Also, Sony wasn’t destroyed last gen.
I honestly think that the PC should give up on this gen and start focusing on the next gen... See how stupid my argument is? Yet how much better it is that yours?!?
Sony was never "Destroyed" last gen. The public perception certainly tried to anti-hype the PS3 while praising 360 whenever it could, because the US gaming media were pandering to what they thought was the trend. It did launch at an expensive $500 - $600. It still included wifi(which cost $100 to add to the 360), free online(saved $50 a year), a hard drive with every model($100), a Bluray player while the cheapest ones were $2,000, and released 16 months after the competition. They outsold the 360 every single year in consumer sales. Microsoft has always reported sales to retailers while the competition reports actual sales to consumers. It may have taken the whole generation for PS3 consumer sales to reach XBox retailer sales, but it didn't have a mass amount of faithful fans rushing out to buy a new 360 when theirs broke, or in fear of their current unit dying so they'd buy a replacement when the newer model came out, even though it took a couple models till they fixed the actual issue, so those ones failed as well.
"when sony was destroyed last gen with ps3" - really, king lothric? are you living in some alternate universe? ps3 did very well last gen.
Focus on next gen
What next gen. There are no gens. Backwards compat is back and we are getting itterative releases of hardware.
Hardware determines the generation for consoles, not the games. At some point, there needs to be a hardware that utilizes a different CPU and GPU and that will determine the next generation of hardware. It will likely utilize software emulation to support BC, otherwise it won't support BC on a new CPU.
I honestly wish that the XBO X was ‘next gen’ console. What is going to be different with the next platform besides it being more powerful?
You have a point there.
If they would have done that.It would have been more damage than good for their image
There will be features on the next Xbox that won’t be a available on the One X. At least not initially.
@brettnll "What is going to be different with the next platform besides it being more powerful?" Same thing as the PS4 Pro and PS5?
The xbox one x will be the base model for next gen
Nah because jaguar cpu is not a good cpu to start that model with. Maybe this one coming up though.
Remember, the X won't have exclusives. "No gamer left behind"
We need to forget console gaming in the old sense. Now the platforms will evolve and the hardware get more powerful ... but run the same games, scaled to the hardware. PS4, PS4 PRO, PS5 ... it’s just going to keep upgrading incrementally like you do with iPhones. And eventually if your box is quite a few years old it won’t play the latest games all that well.
So we have a future of lowest common denominators?
@rainslacker Yep. I’m not saying it sounds ideal... but we have little choice but to wait and see. The roadmap will have already been well and truly laid out behind closed doors at Sony & MS HQ, long ago. Interesting to see what happens
phil mentioned that and said he wants scarlet to be better in different ways not just more power which it will obviously be
Nothing. Amd thats been the case since the beginning of time. They wouldnlike out previous gen games and use it to lush harware and software sales. Sony changed that when they introduced backwards compatibility.
They already have started focusing on it... 5 new studios? All those games are gonna be Cross gen/Next gen. They already talked about the new console(s) coming and new Features in the Future. MS made some mis-steps which led to Low sales throughout the Generation, but they are the ones Innovating the most thru this Gen and adding features... they had no choice but to innovate. In My opinion, sales don't always reflect All aspects of a Company's growth. I think we need to remember, Exclusive games help sell a system, but that's not the end all be-all of a companies' future and innovation.
A company can do both Innovate and deliver exclusives. No escuses! Sony has had all of that covered this gen and that’s why they are on top.
A company SHOULD do both. Nobody does both tho really.... I agree, there should be no excuses.... Sony has Exclusives, but, I think they are WAY behind MS as far as the Platform, innovation, features etc.. Sony is on top because of their exclusives. But I feel They took a step back in features this gen. For example, they now charge to play online (unless free to play) which they did not require last gen when the technology would have been more expensive to launch and maintain etc... (makes no sense) and Removed backward compatibility which was a staple of Sony since the PS2. They instead added ULTRA limited BC, behind a PS2 "up-rez and Trophy support" Paywall. Exclusives really matter in regards to sales, and They have delivered on that front and continue to deliver. They are the BEST in that Regard. Sony is 1st in Exclusives, Nintendo is 2nd, and MS is dead last. Innovation tho? MS is 1st, Sony is second, and Nintendo is dead last as far as innovation and features. "Use your cell phone in order to have party chat!" "NO way of transferring Wii or Wii U shop purchases to Switch!" You simply give accounts a Free license for _____________ game when you launch it on the new platform, and licenses are based on the Console the previous license was installed to! Not hard! Money Grubbers should cut us a break.
I wouldn’t say that Sony has innovation covered this gen. But as far as exclusives go, absolutely.
You sure like to beat a dead horse huh!
@Kavorklestein MS has the least amount of innovation. They literally only attempt innovation based on new ways to make more income rather than what would be deemed practical, enjoyable, and a no-brainer for XBox consumers to want. Backwards compatibility is not innovation. It's kinda the opposite, really. It's a feature to play old games. Not new and creative. It's a great feature but it's not why people buy a new product. Sony isn't opposed to backwards compatibility. The PS3 got rid of the feature because it needed a price drop. They packed everything into the console, including a chip specifically to play PS2 titles without heavy emulation. The PS4 is simply far different hardware to emulate a PS3. Even the most high end PC's still can't emulate a PS3 properly, or with a frame rate above 5 fps. And, for those wanting to play PS1 or PS2, it's very likely that people that care enough to still do so have turned to PC ages ago.
I agree with you on that. I believe next gen Xbox will have more exclusives than current gen with acquiring 5 studios. I also believe Sony will have more features next gen than the current gen because they are on a perfect cycle of releasing 3-4 exclusive thought the year every year so hopefully BC and Cross-play will be present on PS5. So Microsoft with features + more games and Sony with more features + games = Happy gaming for everyone. And personally I know a lot of PS4 owners don't care for cross-play and BC but this PS4 owner does. I mean I would love to increase the longevity of a game that I have bought by playing with millions of other players online, and having a huge backlog, it would be awesome if PS5 allowed me to play PS4 games. But that is just my opinion. Happy gaming everyone!!
Company growth? It’s been 18 years and they’re still 3rd place
Answer my absolute logic liar and when you act like you don't know what I am talking about that is all I will need for the win. So go ahead with the what the heck are you talking about crazy reply.
Only in reality though. You didn't say that though.(Laughs)
Microsoft severely dropped first party support for Xbox 360 in its latter years to focus on Xbox One and look how that turned out. Abandoning a console isn’t going to solve all issues, and will just further alienate your fan base if the follow up doesn’t exceed expectations like Switch. “The Xbox 360 went on to become the most popular console of the seventh generation.” Selling the least amount of consoles globally that gen is proof of being the most popular?
Not worldwide but in NA it was for sure more popular and well known even to people who didn’t play videogames. Maybe that’s what they meant? Not sure but what I do know is MS needs to make next Xbox not so reliant on a network connection for every damn thing on the system. I live in a shitty area for internet and it’s much easier using my ps4. I can still track my trophies, I can record, edit and watch my game videos and screen shots, I can change my theme and wallpaper, I can play any game I want even if I don’t have the latest update or while the update is downloading wich may take a very long time. All without putting my ps4 into a separate “offline mode” like XB1. I understand they want people connected and digital future and all that shit but if Sony can pull it off surely they can too but they won’t because or their corporate greed.
"more popular and well known even to peope who didn't play videgames" That literally describes the Wii.
"I live in a shitty area for internet and it’s much easier using my ps4. I can still track my trophies, I can record, edit and watch my game videos and screen shots, I can change my theme and wallpaper, I can play any game I want even if I don’t have the latest update or while the update is downloading wich may take a very long time. All without putting my ps4 into a separate “offline mode” like XB1" I didn't know this. Another reason why ps4 is better than flapbox. Good info.
Just how they give up on the original Xbox to focus on the 360,just like they stop focus on the Xbox 360 to soon to focus on the underpower Xbox One,really Microsoft have a tendency to screw up Xbox consumers by dropping them to follow what they think is the next big chance of winning big but story tell me they do more harm than good going this route.Keep the Xbox One on there trail and support it until the end and maybe they get a trust vote from gamer at the beginning of next generation,rushing stuff never help them.
Which is why I never buy a xbox. Besides, all xbox games can be played on pc with better res and contents
Don't forget free multiplayer
The comments from some naysayers is straight baffling. Everyone knows MS had avfew missteps but are working hard to ramp up game development. Xbox one X will get support for at least another 6-7 years similar to PlayStation 4. Xbox is going to have Forza Horizon 4, Crackdown 3, Ori and Blind Forest 2, Gears 5 and BattleToads. This is all from First party. From Independent developers they have Vigor, Black Desert Online, Below, Ashen, The Last Night, Day Z, Tunic, Session, Cuphead DLC, Artful Escape and Outer Wilds. How could anyone say they giving up on this generation. If anything it seems to me that they are ramping up and they still have more games coming.
***How could anyone say they giving up on this generation. If anything it seems to me that they are ramping up and they still have more games coming.*** The ramping up isn't necessarily for this generation, but the next. The games, if Microsoft follows their previously explained path, should be available on this generation hardware (their goal is future games on Xbox One and all future consoles similar to PC). But, their purchases of studios and new IPs are absolutely going to be aimed at the next hardware in 2020/2021. Those games aren't coming out and showing on this gen hardware. They're not giving up on this generation, but they definitely are not focusing on it as much as the other two are and they are ready to hit that next generation and restart with a strong showing from their new studios and whatever else they can throw. This generation, they've lost and had some major missteps, but they're going to carry on but focus on ramping up huge next generation.
@Christopher "But, their purchases of studios and new IP's are absolutely going to be aimed at the next hardware in 2020/2021." I agree that studios and new IP's are aimed at next hardware. I disagree that games will not be payable on Xbox One X console. Remember Xbox is doing away with generations. What I don't understand is how you exclude Sony from this equation. We know the switch released a year ago so we won't see a new console till possibly 2023 however, Sony's games have no date and as of right now Death Stranding and Last of US or Ghost of Tushima could very well be aimed at next console launch in 2020/2021. Also, I see the same amount of games on both consoles with Xbox investing hard on mid tier developer exclusives to fill in gaps between big releases and to support Xbox, Windows 10, and Gamepass. Not sure why this is getting overlooked. Let me know your thoughts.
***I disagree that games will not be payable on Xbox One X console.*** I said the exact opposite of that. Please re-read what I typed. You seemed to miss part of it. It is in fact the sentence preceding that of what you quoted. "The games, if Microsoft follows their previously explained path, should be available on this generation hardware (their goal is future games on Xbox One and all future consoles similar to PC)." You'll note that the 'but' is about how they're going to be aimed at being sold on new hardware. Kind of like how they use X gameplay now to advertise their first-party games and Sony uses Pro for theirs.
@Christopher "Those games aren't coming out and showing on this gen hardware." Pardon misunderstood the comment above.
Chris, for X m$ is just gonna go "wait for next e3" and throw smoke and mirrors to stall time. Mark my words.
Because not one of those games you mentioned is anywhere close to tlou pt2, death stranding, gow, detroit etc etc
And none of MSs big IPs are even made by their original creators save for Forza. They feel like new star wars with just being made to make money rather then the devs having a passion to work on the IP as well. The simple fact almost every major studio MS owned left them says everything.
Honestly man we both know these guys are not grown in the head no matter where they work. Thats why we have to deal with all the mess anytime we acknowledge the comment threads.
I mean this has to high a priority in some peeps lives, the constant negativity over make believe mediums.
"How could anyone say..." MS's track record. "I see the same amount of games on both consoles" Japanese rpg's say hi.
Automatic, you gonna eat lots of crows. Even they have nice games to play, I won't be buying xbox cos I don't like renting games.
Then buy them...?
Len, you can't buy them. Gaas doesn't allow you to own the games it's designed to make you pay for it without having ownership to it. You can only rent it like office 365. M$ can take it away or change it anytime they like. You can use it like is yours but the product doesn't actually belong to you.