Industry analyst Michael Pachter is confident Microsoft will launch their next-gen console before Sony does.
He's ignoring all the rumors about PS5, like the fact that dev kits have already been set to developers and the fact that Sony has already been making code updates to Ryzen. As well as the rumors that Navi was designed for PS5 and that it's already started production. And the whole idea that they are going to push out a new console so close to X seems outrageous. By 2020 the X will have only sold around 8 million units. The upgrade will be fairly small for them and the monetary investments will have been huge. Personally, I think Microsoft is largely just bluffing and trying to maintain their user base by saying they are making new console before Sony announces their console which will be out first. That's the same thing they did with the x when they announced it almost 2 years early just to talk about it before the Pro. Either way I don't think it really matters, I think PlayStation will continue it's success into next gen unless Sony themselves do something to damage themselves. PlayStation has international and third party support Microsoft will never have.
Not saying PS5 won't arrive at the same time or even before but, most of those rumors are ridiculous to begin with. Started prodcution? Cross Navi off the list then. It hasn't even been released to OEM testing for a full on GPU level die (not until end of this year). So, an APU level integration is a long way off - not 2019 for sure. So either production has started for something they have guaranteed knowledge of how it will look and two years is to far off for that to happen and a waste (investment waste) or it will not be Navi. I will take the former and expect 2020 Navi styled APU. Ryzen changes. Both, companies make changes to the CPU end of the APU. Nothing new and that is done in various tests throughout the development stage. Sometimes like all processes those changes stick; sometimes they change the changes. That as rumor is like the rumor that boiling water is hot. No duh!!! The X is no different then the Pro. There is no difference in 2019 for PS5 or even 2020. Three years of use for the device seems about right for a mid-gen update. Or does Sony get to skate on the issue if their console arrives in 2019. Most buyers like myself, willing to spend $499 on console like the X have a higher rate of disposable income else $249 for the S would have been a choice or keeping are current Xbox base units. We knew that the X device would have a follow up in 3 or so years. So yeah 2020 will be fine with me. I haven't seen any outcry of X owners disappointed about 2020. I have seen PS fanboys trying to make an argument about X being too soon. Not X fans though. Same goes for Pro owners. I rarely see Pro owners worry about 2020 or even 2019. Why? Because they went in knowing it was a mid-gen device. I would replace both my Pro and X without a second thought if they arrived in 2019 or 2020. "The upgrade will be fairly small for them" You have a crystal ball? You have seen the X2? If the X2 is similar to the rumored PS5 11 TFLOPS is that really a small jump? What about the Phil's interested in equalizing the CPU power. Would that be a small jump? Monetary investment? How is that any different then the Sony's Pro invesment. We don't know what the investment cost for either was. We don't know what they will take from that investment. Maybe the learned more about construction (see how much smaller the X with that power is compared to the Pro). Maybe the learned about how integration DirectX onto silicon and can advance that in the next console. Both these companies layout future plans of the consoles long before they are even worked on. Sometimes they adjust those plans by changes in the current system or changes in technology in other areas.
I saw a rumor that Sony isn't going with an apu this time and are targeting a discreet GPU instead
The rumor is Sony got Navi locked for PS5 in 2020 but I believe its also coming to Xbox and therefore.both will launch in the same year (maybe months apart though) If I'm wrong and it's actually locked for Sony then they won't launch at the same time. Does that make sense? There are also 3 different Navi GPU being made the highest being for pc so there's that too :/
The xbox1x is smaller because the chips are manufactured on 16nm vs xbox1 at 28nm. This isn't done by microsoft, it's done by whoever makes the chips for AMD, TSMC or Global Foundries. The power upgrade in new consoles is going to depend on how good AMD next gen hardware is, just like the xbox one x power is from newer AMD gpus than the ps4 has
Well written and well said dude.
I personally think that MS stating that there is work on a new Gen of XB consoles, was just to get the news out there, Developers have already confirmed that they have Games coming exclusively to Next Gen. Also, Sony's own Shawn Layden confirmed that a Next Generation PS is in Development but it will be some time before they can announce, the fact that PS4 first party software support/ releases will continue till 2021, and the fact that Sony and AMD are currently doing console specific updates to Ryzen and that the exclusive use of Navi CPUs for a Next Generation PS all says that it's not just MS who's gearing up for the next generation. Given the fact that both companies will dragging from a pool of technology that will be readily available gives us insight into the fact that they're targetting both the high end and are on the same launch frame. My guess, and a sure one at that is late 2019/ early2020 will be the year of console announcements. With a Fall 2020 release date. Because 1 Sony won't let MS launch a console before them to kick start a generation again, and 2 Sony can't get complacent given their success this generation. Given that both these consoles will be high end the first to announce and show forth the fruits of the labor, dominates the conversation, and will likely be the market leader... It's also why, the PS4 Pro even tho weaker than the XBO still sells better as the Defacto mid gen console!
Spencer mentioned that he confirmed work on a new xbox due to rumurs that the X will be their last console and rumours they might exit the console market. He wanted to confirm their long term commitment to Xbox.
I agreed with everything u said until u got to the last paragraph, the pro isn't selling more than the x its the other way around. The base ps4 is selling more though however.
That's why the Pro sells better huh? It doesn't matter when Sony pulls the trigger. Their console will sell better world wide. I shouldn't have to list the reasons why.
U sound delusional, Microsoft has the money to bully Sony and devs like they did last gen. The best playstation 3 without Japan even with their worldwide sales in other countries now that's impressive and something Sony probably was ashamed about. Even a large number of Sony fans bought a 360 last gen (though they'll never admit it) and sales showed that. Microsoft damaged themselves this gen that's what cost them. If they use the same strategy as 360 and with the right man in charge, funding and games they will beat Sony again. Only difference between the two companies Sony has been consistent since the ps1 days where has MS dropped the ball withers xbone. U think they cant learn from their mistake like Sony did with the ps3? We'll see. O wouldn't worry about the next box just keep playing your ps4 in anticipation for the 5
The only mistake Sony made with the PS3 was the initial price. It sold better every year and eventually over took the 360. That's with counting red ring repeat buyers. So they have never beaten Sony and never will. Quality wins.
PS5 is coming in 2019 according mw4 job listings.
I'm feeling 2020 with a possible 2021 for the next xbox. it's okay if they offset their schedules like before.
I hope so, Even though MS will leave this gen with the Stronger Hardware, I feel like they jumped the gun in 2013. Every viable leak resource stated PS4 would use 4gb of GDDR5 and even in the concept blueprints. MS went with slower DDR3 but 8gb and when Sony revealed 8gb of GDDR5, that put the whole MS camp in shock. I think MS learned not to jump the gun again on Hardware. MS has always wanted to be the "Powerhouse" even if their 1st party line up is lacking, I hope they wait and see what Sony does first this time around so they can get back to being a worthy competitor again
GUTz, MS was hardly the reason why Sony went with 8gb... The PS4 was initially only going to use 4GB because at the time, 8GB stacks weren't available in bulk, Orbis toolkits were in circulation and Devs were reporting that yields is good for memory bandwidth, but would severely cripple the console in years past launch! Randy Pitchford of Gearbox litterally Called Mark Cerny and told him that if the PS4 DOESNT SHIP with 8gb, it will be dead and plateau in 2 years tops. This was about November 2012, by December that year, they found a solution with stacking the Memory modules in 2s, on the motherboard, and ran internal tests with First party studios, which was why when Mark Cerny was proud to announce that "PS4 Kits are now shipping with 8GBs instead of the aforementioned 4" ...
PS5 is coming in 2021 according to the head of Sony Interactive
no, what he said was they would continue to support PS4 through to 2021. Everyone knows Sony always has an overlap of new platform with existing platform so expect it to either be the end of 2019 or 2020 at the latest. Ps4 will continue to get support for at least the first year of the PS5 on the market like they have done with all their previous platforms.
@Darthv72 He said they would focus on PS4 until 2021 then "crouch down and prepare to leap into the future" in the lead up to March 2021. That cannot possibly mean anything other than a PS5 announcement in 2021
It was the press getting carried away about PS5 while he was talking about Sony as a whole and more specifically about money. We all know a new launch doesn't make any money so you see the benefit only later
@darthv72, They said they wouldn't focus on major hardware until 2021, that pretty much confirms the earliest release date. Ryzen 3rd gen and Navi don't come out any earlier than 2019, 2019 as a release date is absolutely impossible.
you guys are confusing things. Their use of the term focus implies that is what they will be directing their attention to in full. That does not mean they will stop one and THEN start the other. They have NEVER done that in the nearly 25 years of systems. They ALWAYS do an overlap with the first year or so supporting both previous and new platforms. 2021 will be the year they stop supporting the PS4 with new titles and "focus" their attention on the PS5, which will have launched by 2020. Making that their main "focus" going forward, no more looking back at the Ps4 to split their time and efforts. It is what they did with PS1-PS2, PS2-PS3 and PS3-PS4. They always have an overlap before they finally decide to stop one and focus on the other.
in your dreams
Not a chance in hell, remember the Sony reports, no earlier than 2020 or 2021.
2020 will be the launch of the PS5 and by 2021 support for new titles (from Sony and its subsidiaries) for PS4 will halt making the PS5 their primary focus.
True, but I feel bad for the folks who invested in an Xbox One S
Or those like me who wated $500 on the OG X1. I would much rather have the X right now.
There's a huge trade off in time there, 4 whole years ... Never understood the rant against buying launch consoles. Wait til the end of the gen to purchase them and the next one starts...
I just bought the S from Amazon because it's not a huge hit, and I won't feel like I've wasted 500 on a console I'll barely play. And b4 anyone asks I bought it because I'm use to owning all the consoles. I had the OG xbox one but sold it
Why? Do you feel sorry for people who bout a 360 slim as well? People who waited to get an S will likely wait to get the 'S' version of the next generation system as well.
Aww You feel bad for others how thoughtful.. I feel bad for people that invested in the PlayStation 1, og Xbox and a Super Nintendo.. I mean why do these console makers keep moving forward? I also feel bad for all those people that bought a car this year know damn well that next year will be a new model. Now that I think of it... should we really be buying anything it’s only going to be so drepressing with everyone feeling so so bad.
I'm getting an X this year and whatever comes next in 2 years. I won't be missing anything since every game that comes out for the Nextbox will be playable on an X. Not sure about an S but X will definitely still be supported.
I don’t think that’s smart. They need the most powerful console in the market. Launch alongside ps5 and have clear messaging and maybe they can regain a lot of that 360 market share
You say that as if Sony didn't have the marketshare with PS2. PS4 just took back what they lost with PS3 which was even with 360 despite releasing a year later. If you're talking specifically about US then you have a point.
Chances are, MS is going to be somewhat aware of what Sony is going to have in their console. At least to some degree. Maybe not exact specs, but enough to make a comparable console. Industry trade secrets aren't always secret, and MS has people that can research, so they can make their console to be what they feel is necessary to compete. MS won't know what all Sony may focus on to compete on their side though, which is where it can become a gamble to try and one up the competition. It's usually better to make your own way, and have a clear vision for how you want the future to progress. MS didn't seem to have that ready when they announced the X1, or if they did, they certainly had no idea how to get people on board.
Is it plausible that Navi 10 and 14 are being made for Sony and Ms? Possibly two models each or one is releasing a few months before the other company? Genuine questions, I don't really know what I'm talking about here Navi 10 seems to be early 2020 release.
Keeping the price point in mind, it should be pretty easy to make a reasonable guess on what specs they'll probably use, we know Sony is unlikely to go over the magic figure of $399 like they did with the ps3. I think MS had a clear vision at the start but got a slap in the face when there was a massive uproar about how anti-consumer they were during the reveal of the xone (hencet the backtracking), I think they're chasing a service model moreso than anything now which has them heading in a completely different direction to Sony and Nintendo.
Playstation is the stronger brand world wide it's not even close. Microsoft needs to establish themselves as a great/consistent first party developer so their brand can grow beyond what was established by the 360. I'm not convinced MS is really in it for the long haul especially if they dont increase their market share next gen.
I think they're going to spend an insane amount of money to ensure they have the most powerful console again and it will be an even bigger gap than Pro vs X, Money that Sony can never dream to spend on a console. That's why they're so confident that they'll have the power advantage again.
They won't gain their 360 market and it's because PC gamers had to buy an Xbox 360 to play Microsoft games now they don't so their market is gone bye bye PC gamers will buy Microsoft games for PC now.
Red Ring Round 2
Im so glad we have not had to deal with that from anyone this gen! My OG 360 got the 3 red lights (not full ring) and had to ship it off for them to fix, and my PS3 getting the YLOD which was my BR drive going out. Both my PS4 Pro and Day One X1 are going strong!
Xbox360 failure rate was 23% and PS3 was 10%. Ps4 and Xbox One have <1% failure rate (I read it somewhere)
You right bro, MS tried to beat Sony before look what happen RROD fiasco.
Christ I hate this guy. And not sure why anyone listens to him, he's maybe right 30% of the time. Gaming is a very hard business to predict since gamers can be fickle.
30 percent is very very generous, the only times he is right is when he states the blatantly obvious, things so easily seen stevie wonder can see it.
Well... Microsoft did say that they were moving to an iterative model instead of new generations, so that would make sense.
While I understand the reasoning behind releasing the next Xbox before the next PS (look at last gen, it had them in the lead for most of the generation), I think it would be an unsavory move. The best, I think, would be releasing at the same time. The One X just came out, the Pro has a full year on it, if they release a year before the PS5, they'll have given a $500 dollar device a rather short lifespan. A big F you to fans.
Walt, what? Lead in last generation? Let me lol.
Xbox did lead most of last gen. They had a year head start and a cheaper price. PS3 later caught up though.
They're in a situation where releasing first would potentially alienate their fan base, and make it hard to sell the idea that they're committed to any individual console. Releasing after would potentially give Sony too much of a lead given their place in the market. Best they can do is release at the same time, and hope that whatever they come up with to compete is something that resonates with the customer. Getting their messaging down is key. Then all they have to do is remove the stigma that they make a lot of promises, but don't always deliver....and the best place to do that is with games.
My thoughts exactly.
What if it’s forward compatible? Would it still be alienating its fan base?
@xb1 I dunno. But do you want a generation of 10-14tb systems held back by the cpu and lower end hardware of a base system?
What if it doesn’t get held back?
If the idea of no generations and legacy support through forward compatibility stays in place in the face of a new generation, then it will be held back. The notion of the lowest common denominator has been around in PC gaming for 4 decades now. Explain to me why it would be any different than consoles? If a game is being built for next gen, and it has to support lower powered hardware, it will no take full advantage of the new hardware. countless generations of PC have proven that to be the case. All you'll get is prettier graphics. Nothing more. That isn't progress. MS has held back gaming on PC for decades now through manipulating DX releases to new versions of Windows. That's a thing I'd rather not see happen to the console market as well. And what's worse, if Sony decides to go no generations with this mid-gen stuff, it's exactly what will happen.
Like I said before, they want the early release to get the momentum going like the Xbox360. Due to midgen upgrades, there's no reason to wait or delay the launch a year later. Who knows, there might be two midgen upgrades next gen.
I can't see a release any earlier then 2020, it seems like all the tech and costings available line up that year or the year after.
Release more games not more consoles ... before your costumers get back faith in ur products its pointless...
If Microsoft dropped the next Xbox before 2020 they will be looking a hell of a lot like Sega did. Since 2013 they have release OG Kinect Xbox, Xbone S and Xbone X a year after that. Sony has released PS4 and PRO, in a 7 year period to release 4 different SKUs would just not be a good look. At least in my eye's it would look good to me. Whatever the gamescom hardware reveal maybe, hopefully it's just VR related.
I think you are missing the PS4 slim in the mix.
to be fair, both Sony and MS have released the same amount of systems this gen. They are sitting at 3 a piece. Base (xb1/ps4), slim (xb1s/ps4s) and enhanced (xb1x/ps4p).
Instead of focusing on next gen hardware, how about giving it the one thing gamers want,... games?! Sorry, but I am having the hardest time supporting Xbox this generation.
"Sorry, but I am having the hardest time supporting Xbox this generation." Which is why they are working on the next generation already. I am not expecting anything really new out of MS the rest of this Generation. I think they are holding off everything to try to come out of the doors swinging going into the next generation. As an Xbox fan I dont like it, but I cant see them doing any better long term by releasing something kickass a year before they release a new gen console. The fans have waited this long and the fans they lost wont come back over one or two games at the very end.
I hope so. I dont align myself to any company. I am just a gamer at heart and i continue to save my money to acquire every game that interests me across the consoles. Fingers crossed!
Pachter is 99% wrong.
Ps5 will come out before the next Xbox. We all saw how coming to the market first helped Xbox 360. We line in a society where people don't want to wait everyone wants it now Pro coming a full year ahead of X was a smart move by Sony because it meant they can release their next system a year before the next Xbox Sony coming out and saying we won't talk about hardware right before E3 was pretty telling because I looked at it as we will do it next year Ps5 coming November 2019 with the last of us 2 and ghost as it's launch titles along with every major 3rd party release looking and playing better. Death stranding in early following year. Having the whole year to yourself means many who want new systems won't wait for next Xbox because many of their friends will buy ps5. So I actually think there is some weight behind ms wanting to release next Xbox before Ps5. But they will get too much flake if they release one so soon after X I feel like ms is in weird spot if they put first Sony can have the better specs if they come our after Sony will have a big install base Just for comparison sake Xbox 360 had a 6-7 million lead on ps3. It took ps3 over 6 years to catch up to surpass. PS5 coming out first we are looking at atleast 10-15 million within first year
"We line in a society where people don't want to wait everyone wants it now " Microsoft could release the next gen xbox tomorrow with 20TF and I would still wait for the next PlayStation.
I wasn't really talking about us core gamers I am talking about the bigger part of the gaming community known as casual gamers I am like you I will wait for Ps5 because Sony has a very good track record of software support
I'll hold out for Sony too, they've been good to me with every Sony console I've owned (I wish I could say the same of the Vita...), plus I'm good until 2021 or whenever it releases, I won't be getting it on release. I may true to wait for a PRO version if it's going to exist next gen.