Yoshida on the state of triple-A development and his studios’ incredible critical success in recent years.
I thought they were already doing that since Playstation one
Catering to all people means making a good game, not representation of different groups in games. That is just identity politics, and makes your game worse.
Are you for real?
I’ll take back what I say if in Battlefield 5, in the name of inclusiveness as they say, we fight women and people of color in Nazi uniforms. We need equal representation right?
They don't need to cater to all people, it's a choice they're making. If you wanted a homosexual perspective to the game then so be it, but don't act like you NEED to include it. It was a simply a choice meant to garner more attention.
No. It's about money. Trust me. The number one way to make the most money is to be able to attract as many people as possible. That's why most companies have nondiscrimination policies. They don't want to cut off any particular group of consumers from their product. It is so basic most people miss this point entirely. Even Phil Spencer gets this and that why they are leaning heavy on Japanese games. They are largely missing out on an entire segment. For any business, this is unacceptable.
Sony makes good games AND caters to all people. If you're part of the community that are SO offended that Ellie is a lesbian in TLOU2, then you need to stop playing games and seek mental help.
I’m sorry Skulls but that’s literally the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard.
Of course it is, you’re a Bernie Sanders supporter, all logic escapes you.
Or better. This game will be outstanding.
Idiot of the day.
"I’ll take back what I say if in Battlefield 5, in the name of inclusiveness as they say, we fight women and people of color in Nazi uniforms. We need equal representation right?" Freaking comment of the month. This is the first time I agree with something you said. What I find hilarious is that no one has responded and tried to show why that statement is wrong or bad. All of a sudden diversity and representation is a bad thing apparently.
So The Last of Us was made worse by the fact that Ellie is gay?
Be careful what you say in Sony heaven or hell. TLOU2 is a perfect game before it has launched and it is a fantastic idea to show identy politics in this game. We at N4G do not need diversity in comments only if Sony says diversity is ok. All Sony games made and upcoming games are perfection in our eyes.
@Kos-Mos Microsoft and Phil Spencer have said the exact same thing about diversity multiple times here is just one recent instance. https://venturebeat.com/201... Most well educated people will understand that working together will always be better than trying to divide.
There's levels to this. . Get the balance right and less people will complain. . .You will NEVER EVER please everyone. Skulls example is the extreme ret con that makes little sense to anyone with knowledge of the time portrayed. Including gays or ethnics in may not be so outlandish as they did exist and fight in wars. Saying this can be viewed as controversial for n4g but many things have be whitewashed over the years from Jesus to Cleopatra but that doesn't mean the opposite should happen either, Nick fury springs to mind. Just show balance and represent all within reason. I find it a little worrying the word or concept of 'inclusion' has became somewhat negative in its connotation. . Usually paired with sjw like speaking up for the disenfranchised or underrepresented is a bad thing. . . C'mon now. . If you can see the irony in that them maybe you don't want fair change
Skull go to sea of state of decay ok? Because those are better than, lets say god of war, bloodborne, horizon uncharted, the last of us 1 and 2,spider man, gran turismo, ghost of thushima, etc? Dude shut the fu up.... You have no power here....
Exactly why you won't see a game like Tomb Raider, for instance, pushing for diversity in the gender or race of enemy types. They only want diversity in protagonists, because it's not really about diversity, and it never was.
So actively avoid anything that could possibly be agenda based? Isn't that a kind of agenda too? Status quo? That is a very dangerous thought. No evolution comes from maintaining the status quo.
@mkis007 And that is exactly why conservatism is ultimately a failure. The only reason they can win as many seats as they do in the US is because of gerrymandering and the ridiculous campaign finance rules that let rich individuals and corporations essentially buy politicians. It also helps if you keep the electorate stupid enough to vote conservative, so maybe stop teaching critical thinking skills like they tried in Texas https://www.austinchronicle...
I love your second comment, Skull521. If they're going to have historically inaccurate representation on the allied side in BF5, then they should also have the same historically inaccurate representation on the Nazi side. I hadn't thought about this before. I'm sure all the Nazis in the game will be very white, with lots of blond hair and blue eyes to aim at. Probably all men too. No POCs with evil-looking helmets.
and having only white men isn't identity politics? is that why i used to think most games sucked when i was younger?
@Skull521 "...in the name of inclusiveness as they say, we fight women and people of color in Nazi uniforms. We need equal representation right?" if you're confident you can code and come up with that kind of games, be our guess. why not, right? nobody is stopping you. it will be YOUR game and it's up to you how you wanna represent it. OR...if you're incapable of doing so yourself, go pitch your "brilliant" idea to any capable devs or publishers out there and see who are interested in it! go on... my point is, it's THEIR game and I think it's up to them to present it the way they want! nobody is forcing you to like it or even to play it by holding you at gun point or anything, so why are you so worked up over it? shouldn't it be enough is a game is a good game no matter how the devs want to make it? a good game is a good game nonetheless, diversity almost always not related to how good or bad a game quality is.
You're right, I don't like it and the developers have already said if you don't like it then don't buy it so that's exactly what I'm going to do. That attitude of F the fans, we don't care what you think, we are going to push identity politics - and they are, you can bet the inclusiveness doesn't spread to all sides, the Nazi's will all be evil white men - is going to damage the franchise. I bought: Battlefield 1942 Battlefield 1942: Road to Rome Battlefield 1942: Secret Weapons of WWII Battlefield: Vietnam Battlefield 2 Battlefield 2: Special Forces Battlefield 2: Euro Force Battlefield 2: Armored Fury Battlefield 2: Modern Combat Battlefield: Bad Company Battlefield: 1943 Battlefield: Bad Company 2 Battlefield: Bad Company 2: Vietnam Battlefield 3 - On both PC and Xbox, premium passes for both Battlefield 4 - On Xbox 360, PC, PS4, Xbox One, and premium pass for both Xbox and PC Battlefield 1 Now their response to fans like me is we don't care about you? Fine, I'll get my games from someone new. Exact stance that caused a STAR WARS movie to LOSE money. Fans aren't going to be taken for granted - we'll see how the strategy of ditching old fans to appeal to new ones works out for them. Didn't work for Disney.
You know it's true what they say about the squeaky wheel always getting the grease.
Diversity done right doesn't have to be thought of as scary or an attack on any one group - it is simply having games with characters that have a wider variety of backgrounds. Shuhei Yoshida is right that as the medium becomes even more mainstream then it should also be able to reflect the worldwide audience. But care must be taken to create new original characters so diversity is reflected organically, Naughty Dog did this sowell with Ellie as they set up her history. But Naughty Dog handled this wrong with Uncharted: The Lost Legacy as they took an established character and clumsily changed it. Chloe Frazer's ethnicity and sexuality (via PR) was retconned so it was different. Better for companies to have the courage to create brand new varying characters.
@skull I agree with your point of view, because if we're talking about inclusion all group must be equally represented, like the true meaning of feminism.
Yeah why PS is already a global brand in every region played by many people young and old and of different religion, sex etc. Variety. Always has been PS's Strength
Expand your horizon
Agreed. Unfortunately, a large portion of the gaming community is so insecure that they cry out "muh SJW's!!" whenever a game features any kind of diversity. It's pretty sad, to be honest...
People are disagreeing, but refuse to present their arguments, because they know that they are insecure neckbeards who are offended by seeing a gay or lesbian person in a video game. "Who cares that TLOU2 will be an incredible game, it features a lesbian so it must be SJW propaganda, right? Right??" Pathetic.
Bigger Maybe because we don't want this crap in our hobby. We get enough of it in real life and abs entertainment. Can we keep something go ourselves Or is the whole world against straight people and only gay rights matter. For nd to open their demo the way they did just shows there is political agenda behind that I am no trump supporter but for once I like the fact he says whatever he wants and people have to deal with it Atleast someone can say it and get away with it. What kind of world are we living in where gay rights matter more to some than human rights
@neutralgamer What is "this crap"?? What is the supposed "political agenda"?? The fact that the game has a lesbian in it?? How can you post garbage like that without realizing that you're a bigoted jackass?? I will gladly take a ban for this comment, because if people like you honestly feel like it's a "political agenda" to include more diverse characters, then you need to be shamed. Because you are a dumbass. And if N4G bans me for this, then they're supporting bigoted jackasses like yourself.
@neutralgamer1992 Reading your post reveals an underlying separation in your mind of humans and gay people. The irony of whining about ND having an agenda in the same post you spill your feelings of wanting to keep gaming gay free. How entitled do you have to be to think that only a group you identify with owns this hobby? What kind of world are we living in when people think "for once" someone of Trump's background is able to get away with saying whatever he wants?
You do realize that you sound like a perfect exapmle of a hypocrite when you defend "diversity" and attack other people just because they don't want a political corectness in video games that is simply there to earn more cash? You are a true fanboy, but we need diversity so keep going.
@Neutral "What kind of world are we living in where gay rights matter more to some than human rights." You do realize that gay rights is human rights don't you? Unless you think gay people somehow aren't humans. The fact that Ellie is gay doesn't mean ND are pandering for sales or trying to push an "SJW" agenda. She is gay because that's who she is, end of story. It doesn't change the fact that she is one of the best videogame characters to come out of the PS3 generation.
I agree but at the same time people assuming there is SJW issues all the time undermine the few cases where there maybe indeed these sort of issues in a game, or more commonly, in the press. So not only its often wrong, but it also hurts the few cases they could make when they might be right. The press constantly uses this approach to tease and stir up controversy.
There's so much craziness going on in the world today. One common approach people seem to have to things they don't agree with is slamming it saying "they're pushing an agenda!!" I don't get that. Just because someone doesn't agree all of a sudden it's a bad thing? Since when is an agenda even a bad thing? EVERYONE has an agenda one way or another. Just because it's not yours, doesn't make it a bad thing automatically. Still, TLoU2 isn't pushing no agenda. It's just a game
What is unfortunate is this article is about Shu being interviewed for the Develop Legend Award but we get this clickbait submission instead.
You can't just keep making the same games over and over and this is why Sony has been able to adapt. You look at the main 4 titles they showed and each has its own look and design. I also look at how Sucker Punch and Naughty Dog have grown over the years. Spiderman is what I would call good old fashion gaming so it's not all about pushing the envelop and a more mature theme.
It's possibly not the diversity that's the actual problem in all of this. Since the beginning of this argument a good few years ago, it started with hostile and provocative digs at gamers who were just getting on with a hobby. A hobby that already had female, different racial and diverse sexual characters. Maybe not enough, but gamers as a group were accosted in a pretty aggressive way... This is all backlash that has spanned over a long time. The community as a whole just needs to start respecting developers choices and stop trying to push their ideals on the people who are doing the creating, whatever their backgrounds or mindset.
Watch this and tell me this isn't an agenda https://www.youtube.com/wat...
You are just as loud as the anti-sjw crowd.
I don't care about diversity in writing, you write what works for the story and characters and if that means a character is gay, so be it. If the design phase of a character ends up on them being black, white, Asian, Hispanic, or whatever else, so be it. What I hate is when it's added for the sake of diversity and the character feels like a collection of every stereotype possible. An example of gay characters done right, Bill and Ellie from The Last of Us, and Captain Holt from Brooklyn 99, being gay is not really a defining part of their character, just something about them. Bioware is one of the worst about writing inclusive characters because they feel like they were defined by that trait, and then a character or story was tacked on after.
My only problem is that diversity is used as a marketing tool. That makes it feel forced. When the issue goes away, and there are just games that have diversity without the thought of being inclusive, then something will have actually be achieved. Games that had this stuff I. The past never made a big deal about including such things, and it was rarely controversial if it had them. As much as I'm looking forward to tlou2, I feel the recent trailer was put out there to incite the discussion, and knowing drukmann, it was probably done to make a point. It wasn't needed, because those that Alvarez enough about the game, already know her sexual orientation, and no one really cares about it because it wasn't a major point 9f her character at all
lol, I got dislikes here for being right. Very original, N4G community.
Keep screaming for attention when you wake up you’ll still be the same person you chose to be. You want to be excepted or feel special go talk to your parents no simpity for unnaturally bull crap aka diversity down vote away
"My only problem is that diversity is used as a marketing tool" it's not, though.
Society s built for the weak all these outlandish requests to change the world we know to change history because a few people got their sexuality confused or the roll which they play in it .if you’re not happy with yourself and you want to feel special go talk to you parents pleas do down vote
Cater to the 1% while alienating the 99%. So much for equality. Political correctness doesn't belong in gaming imo.
If your alienated that's on you. I played Life is Strange I am neither a woman and obviously not a lesbian yet I really enjoyed it. I'm also not an android but I enjoyed Detroit, I'm also not a Jedi but I enjoy Star Wars games. I'm going to play The Last of Us 2 and I expect I'll enjoy that too. The problem isn't the games it's the people.
I don't have any problems playing as a female characters. I've played Tomb Raider Resident Evil (Jill, Rebecca, Claire, Ada) Parasite Eve Star Ocean 2 (Rena) Silent Hill Valkyrie Profile Phantasy Star Online Horizon Gravity Rush Final Fantasy XIII etc etc. I don't have any problems with female characters it's the developers with "political agenda" behind it.
So your problem is with freedom of speech and freedom of expression?
"So your problem is with freedom of speech and freedom of expression?" Nope. Just with developers mixing "political agendas" on their games. FYI. The First Amendment only applies in the US. I don't know any country with the same freedom or something similar for that matter. It can cover a wide ranged of social and political issues.
Well... most games are made to American/European aka.Western sensibilities. Is what your saying that game development should be controlled by some sort of dictator that tells artists what they can and can't say? I'd like to think most westerners would prefer their games not to be created inside a "great firewall" that censors speech and blocks creativity.
"Well... most games are made to American/European aka.Western sensibilities. Is what your saying that game development should be controlled by some sort of dictator that tells artists what they can and can't say? I'd like to think most westerners would prefer their games not to be created inside a "great firewall" that censors speech and blocks creativity. " Now, you lost me when you start adding "Dictatorship and "Censorship" on the subject. I think you are just overreaching. I never once mentioned those things or something similar on the arguments. You are just adding BS.
Thing is in many a mind into Life is Strange a game series like GTA either shouldn't exist, or should be made so "accessible" much of it's story narrative as well as gameplay loose all real value.
@Pancit_Canton How is it a "political agenda" to include a character that's a lesbian? Look at yourself, and your opinions, and reflect. Why are you SO offended by this?
Androids and Jedi have nothing to do with the issue and I'd hope you'd be smart enough to know that.
@SolidGamer So what is the "Issue" that you are so offended about? Do tell.
"So your problem is with freedom of speech and freedom of expression?" No, Sony has a problem with freedom of speech and expression. Did you not read the headline? "We Need To Cater to All People, Regardless of Age, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Ethnicity" Emphasis on the "We Need" inclusive of everyone who has differing opinions and thoughts. This is the main problem with SJWs and the like, pushing for political correctness is just a subtle way of forcing others to think like they do. Oh, and another thing, freedom of speech doesn't exist anywhere else but in America, yet SJWs are still trying to take that away too because if other people don't think like they do it means they're a Nazi. It's one thing to have an opinion, it's another to tell others what to say, do, and think.
Oh no we have to play as a lesbian, how will i ever enjoy this most probably gotg game/s wtf am i reading? Agendas? Naughty dog are a game company!! The only agenda they have is to make the best possible game, make a profit and make an even better one after, so what if ellie is a lesbian, we knew this LAST GEN, why is it an issue now but not then? Gtfo with that shite😂😂 also the uk has freedom of speach too, so far almost all of sonys upcoming games are getting negative articles, but the games look amazing!! Madness and salt all rolled into one lately.
@Pancit&Aither Freedom of speech exists in a lot more places than just the US. It's part of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights for a start.
@aither May want to have a look at the Canadian Constitution of Rights and freedoms. One of them being free speech. Don't even for a second think that your country is the only one with freedom of speech. The we need section is stupid too. For any company to be and stay successful they need to adapt to their customers wants and needs. If no car company made affordable vehicles, only the rich would be driving cars and would be putting car companies out of business as the small demographic have to cover the cost of supporting those car companies. They are looking out for their business and to ensure they continue to be successful they cater to their demographic. Wht that demographic is is gamers. And some of us dont want stories just told in traditional sense of white male protagonists. We can all game together as a community no matter somones orientation, so why can't we play games that cater to those people too? You want an agenda, start talking when they force all of the games to be colored female lesbians and force developers to stop catering to heterosexual people across the board. Until then, open Ur eyes, there is no issue with have a lesbian. In a game, or did you never play mass effect, last of us and countless other gamss
Nobody is gay in Life is Strange though. I've played it 6 times and have the platinum for both the PS3 and PS4 versions.
That’s not political correctness.
@BiggerBoss I think at this point these people really dont even care if the characters are gay or anything like that, they just want something to whine about. So if a character in a game happens to be gay/lesbian or something that people don't see all the time in the gaming medium they instantly claim that its "pandering" or "political correctness" just for the sake of those reasons. The thing that confuses me the most is, even if it WAS just an attempt to pander to a specific audience, why should that matter to the consumer if the characters and game itself is still amazing and the story of those characters is well-told? I really think people just enjoy complaining and this is one of those topics that people flock to these days when it comes to that.
So you believe that a story should only be told if it represents the majority of people's values? That is a dangerous type of thinking, and has caused the deaths and persecution of millions in the past. It has nothing to do with political correctness, if there is a story to be told, it should be able to be told. If you don't like it, don't buy it. You have ZERO ownership over it, so why do you think it should follow your world view? This is why the world is a shit show. People are so intolerant, they can't see the wood for the trees.
So you believe a story should be told only if it represents the minority of the people's values? See what I did there, turned the tables right back at you for being ignorant to your own values. Forcing others to be accepting of something they don't believe is a dangerous type of thinking. You didn't even realize Sony is saying, "We Need To Cater to All People, Regardless of Age, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Ethnicity" and is not talking about wanting to tell a story, nor are they telling people not to buy their product as you so elegantly put it. What Sony is saying here is that "We Need" to accept this with the emphasis on the "we can probably all agree" refusing to acknowledge there is a large majority who disagrees with their statements. While I completely agree with you if there is a story to be told, then let it be told. However, the fact here is the ones who are intolerant are people like you who criticize others for having a different opinion of someone who is saying they shouldn't have a different opinion. Perhaps you should take the plank out of your own eye before telling someone else to remove the spec from theirs.