Craig looks at whether From Software should meet casual players half way... I’ve never beaten a From Software game. The likelihood is that for the foreseeable future, I never will.
What nonsense do you remember Ninja blade (its Ninja Gaiden for noobs) or the Amored-core series, (games that be completed in a afternoon) and Otogi Myth of Demons, (personal fav) From Software started niche casual, fighting for attention then made Demon Souls that was balls to the walls hard, and was a break out hit, now the "new fans" expect that level of difficulty in everything they do, because if they didn't there would be backlash.
FromSoftware's first games were hardcore first person RPGs that are the progenitors of the Soulsborne games. Look up King's Field and Shadow Tower. They absolutely did not start niche casual.
Fair point, i do know of King's Field but have not played them because they not my type of games, what i was trying to say was From Software have made accessible, cult classic's like Otogi and metal wolf, so when they made demon souls now they don't just have fans but also publishers and platform holders, hanging onto there every word, so as a business i don't see them making another Otogi or Metal Wolf, maybe another Tenchu, new games are good but they will be at this level of difficulty.
Kings Field was the shit back in the day.
not necessarily casual, but I would really love 3D Dot Game Heroes on PS4 or switch or a sequel
From Software did not develop 3D Dot Game Heroes. It was developed by Silicon Studio, same devs as Bravely Default.
Ohhhh. Well as a publisher or anybody who wants to pick it up I would love to see another one
The thing is, most people that never beat From Software games just give up too fast. If you honestly take the time to learn a fight, it becomes significantly easier. Besides, the best part of these games is that feeling you get when you overcome what appears to be an insurmountable challenge. It's the thrill of moving past a point you didn't think you could advance from. If they were easier, they would lose some their soul, lol.
Agreed! I eventually learn to over come obstacles & beating enemies & bosses by learning from my mistakes,take your time & learn their patterns & always dodge,hell some enemies I avoided all together.
I agree too, the point of the gameplay is overcoming challenges and the more you weaken the difficulty the less point there is to the games and the less unique they are.
Let me save close to the massive difficulty spikes, then. If they're not willing to make games with multiple difficulty settings, at least let us have that. It's not like there's a shortage of games to play. I refuse to waste that much time just getting to the masochistic parts over and over. To be clear, I'm only commenting because the subject came up in this story. I've long moved on from Souls and From Software, as I suspect have many others, because I'm not that atypical a gamer. If this company is happy with its current sales, more power to them.
What killed my interest in their Souls games wasn't so much the difficulty as the amount of repetition. Work 10 minutes to reach a boss, die in 10 seconds. Work 10 minutes to reach a boss, die in 10 seconds. Work 10 minutes to reach it again, die in 8 seconds. Work 10 minutes to reach it again, die in 12 seconds. Work 10 minutes to reach it again, die in 15 seconds. *Sigh* Am I having fun yet? Hell no. Are there other games to play. Hell yes.
I think they got more generous with the save points the more games they released and usually with practice you can sprint past all the enemies to get to the boss, but yeah those times that it was a mission just to get to the boss from the save point were painful and not fun.
Souls games are not hard just unforgiving and thinking games. Think your way in and through each encounter use terrain and its fine
NO. There are PLENTY of other games for casuals. Leave these games as they are.
If the next souls game had difficulty options or checkpoint saves I wouldn't buy it. It cheapen the whole concept. Also bonfires are your check points. And there's usually shortcuts to open as you progress in each area reducing back tracking
I hate hard games & I stayed away from Demon Souls & DS1 & 2 but I went for Bloodborne & I absolutely loved it beat the game within a month. I had to try DS3 & I just beat it slayed all 19 bosses & soon I'll start both dlc's for it,got to give myself a brake including I'm playing other games. Imo DS3 was much harder than BB & if it wasn't for being able to summon npc's for at least 4 bosses I probably wouldn't have finished it. I think From Software should keep their games the way they are but if they want to have other folks experience the game which would mean more sales they should have a standard Souls game & one for the casuals or just have 2 modes.Just saying.
Demon's Souls and Dark Souls are the best Souls games so if you enjoyed DS3 then you'll probably enjoy them even more but Demon's Souls servers were shut down this year.
I've heard they're harder so I'll pass.I've got the DS3 expansions to play & I've heard they're hard as well. I will be trying Sekiro when released.
Do you consider yourself a casual? I'm guessing not, even though you hate hard games. Neither do I. Avoiding excessive difficulty does not make us casuals. I've been a dedicated gamer for many years. I agree with your post. I'm just tired of this casual label getting thrown around. There are casual gamers, like mothers playing Candy Crush on plane trips. Don't let them group you in with that crowd.
I've been playing videogames for 40 years since Pacman,Space Invaders,Moon Crest & Galaga at the arcades & mom & pop stores.I'm guessing I'm pretty much a hardcore gamer,I'm always buying games.I play almost everything exclusive on my PS4 Pro including most multi-plats with the exception of a few but I like to play some casual games also like Uno on the PS4 & Candy Crush.I usually play my games on normal setting I'm not playing on a higher difficulty to frustrate me & raise my blood pressure,I don't have the patience for it...lol!!
If you can't beat the game then either git good or just leave it. Not like there aren't other games suitable to more casual crowd. Hardcore games like souls series in today's market are really less when compared to more casual games. Not everything has to be catered to casual crowd.
no, but they should embrace next gen vr for bloodbourne 2.
No. There are enough games for people that don't have the time or will to learn the game's mechanics.
Embrace more casual fans? You're either a souls player or you're not! I haven't met a Souls fan who doesn't play the games! It's a niche market, it should be left that way.
Overcoming challenges is the DNA of the successful From Software formula. To go "casual" in this context means to lesson the thought process the players need to put into finding ways to best the enemies and triumph over the bosses - and I just don't see how that makes any sense. I play and remember the games that challenge me (even if I don't make it to the end at times, others carry on said conquest!). Watering down those experiences to appease a different audience is a foolish endeavour.
No... keep casuals very far from my get gud games.
Nah. HIgh Difficulty is their identity. Like how hyper ass over the top action is platinums identity. The bigass creatures with the range/reach of the almighty that kill u in 3 hits or less. smaller enemies that attack in 60 hit combos til youre dead. Traps that are practically invisible or jump outta nowhere at you. And to top it off you start all over when u die.Their games are made for those who want a challenge. I myself get infuriated at some of the levels and bosses but I always go back until I beat them eventually. Like other have said, there are plenty of other games to play for people who dont want that challenge
They should do what they want , if you try to appeal to everyone you usually fail . Also The Souls games aren’t really that hard , you just need a little patience and learn to counter and avoid traps and npc movements.
I have every souls game platiniumed Inc bloodborne that are my pride and joy to show off. I'm currently playing sofs again after getting dks remastered plat
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