Sony will probably keep refusing cross-platform with Microsoft and Nintendo, at least in near to mid-future, as it seems in Sony's best interest.
doesnt need to but should its just going to make xbox and nintendo look good and playstation look bad wanting to split up gamers people complain about paid dlc maps splitting up community should also about cross play
Not really, the only people who care are MS. Playstation players can play with PC. Not PS fault MS was the asshole last gen.
lots of people gona have ps4 and switch not be able to use same fortnite account or have someone1 on each to play together but if you have xbox you can so looks good for them bad for playstation
@bob Simple solution, make a new epic account. It is free.
There's switch also, not just Xbox. Nintendo never really had an online platform before, so they're kinda new in this aspect. Actually that's the worst part, most people comlaining about crossplay are multi console owners with a PS4/switch. Or Xbox fans just trolling because they can.
So tit for tat?
360 crossplayed with the PS2 for a Final Fantasy game. It came up again later in the gen and MS said they couldn't guarantee stability and security letting people play together with the other Network. Sony didn't even comment on the issue at all. Then the PSN got hacked and that was kinda a big issue... PSN is much better this gen though, to give it credit.
@rime So that’s why this gen Sony has to be the asshole instead? Give me a break.
PS5 will probably be the earliest that Sony accepts crossplay at it's full extension. On the business side, there's absolutely no reason to accept it. I want crossplay with other consoles, but I do understand why they won't allow it. They can say "For the Players" all they want, but in the end Sony is a business and revenues are what drives them to do more and bring us more exclusives. Can't blame them on this one. As for the fortnite fiasco, I'm pretty sure it'll get resolve pretty quickly.
When Sony said for the Players. They meant PS players that buy their consoles obviously.
So Sony should bend over to peer pressure? Give me a freaking break.
You right. Screw the gamers. Now let's get back to making the gamers happy! /s
They deliver the best games on console. How exactly are they screwing gamers? Just because a small minority of 'concerned' gamers want crossplay? Where the heck were you people last gen? Why all of a sudden this is an issue? Please, get out of here with your delusional nonsense.
@trooper_ Sad to say they are not getting it and they won't try to get it. Last Gen when the shoe was on the other foot, no one complained. MS got away with no cross platform play and did it with a clean slate and everyone said...oh its just business. With Sony however, its them being arrogant, not playing nicely, against gamers, etc. It is pure in the sense of ridiculousness.
this will be forgotten in a month as everyone focuses on the next outrage
Not unless MS and Nintendo continue to team up and have crossplay for all multiplatform games from here on out.
"Not unless MS and Nintendo continue to team up and have crossplay for all multiplatform games from here on out. " lol....you mean the small fraction of multiplats that will run on both Xbox and Switch? Guess that is fine for the low-spec F2P and indies, but that is a hell of a long way from "all multiplatform games".
This things been going on near 2 years now. Every little thing flairs up the discussion again. It's about the last thing that people have to criticize Sony over, so they're doubling down on it. The only other thing they have to go with is that Sony is somehow now Cocky, and very few people outside the fan boys take that argument seriously.
I mean they've already come out and said they're looking for a solution, so I'm sure they'll do something. They've been put into this position before (rumble, trophies) and came back and did the right thing.
Plus I think they learned a lot from the PS3 hack as far as making a more secure network.
They definitely have. They setup some manged 3rd party security to help check over and automatically update firmware. That was the basic problem the first time, they were trying to manage their entire network themselves and as it grew they became strained... the whole security breach basically was because of a missed firmware update. But they fixed it and are on par with the other major online network(s).
I think in this case, security is more about moderation than it is protecting against hacks. An extra layer to connect to another network is going to be more of a pain to hack than going directly to the source, as it means going through two different security layers, and these kinds of connections are not exactly the best way to hack a network anyhow.
Perhaps this is not the game to convince Sony to change but that isnt to say there may not be one that does.
Though fortnite is the biggest f2p game out right now huger game studios like rockstar, Activision, ea and many others don't really care for it. U ask why? It's simple just for the fact that they rather see people buy their games on multiple platforms because it makes them more money. There are many gamers who own multiple consoles and would buy one or 2 copies to enjoy them with friends on different platforms. U think these huge corporations are sitting there and siding with Microsoft and Nintendo just to lose money? If that were to happen then one has to give in meaning that now u can expect loot boxes to be ok now because these big corporation's need to makeup the cash from somewhere this is why I believe crossplay is not going to be a big factor right now.
Except the creative director of FIFA said crossplay is better for players, they've looked into it and would like to implement it, and that there's a lot of issues to work through with first parties. https://www.eurogamer.net/a... Sony is the first party that doesn't want to allow crossplay with other platforms, it is be entirely possible we could see crossplay with games like FIFA if Sony opens up their doors.
Why would Sony do that though if it's going to hurt them and help out the competition? A good example is last gen when Nintendo was leading in sales they didn't care about none of this crossplay because they were in the lead but now that they are in the race late with Microsoft not to far from them but Sony is way ahead, now they want to cook marshmallows together with Microsoft all of a sudden. U know why? Because they will do anything in their power to get the top dog to give in especially if it is going to benefit them more. In reality it's all about money and being on the team winning and Sony has that edge. Say all u want as a gamer but in the end as a business it's all about money.
@The 10th Rider must have not read the entire article, it was just PR talk he is not even sure if he is going to ever implement it. -When pressed, Prior stopped short of confirming cross-platform play would come to FIFA any time soon, but offered a glimmer of hope. "It's something we're aware of," he said. "I'm not making any promises. But you've seen that [cross-platform play] happen for the first time very recently. If you'd asked me that a few years ago I'd probably have said, 'it's not going to happen. We'll monitor and see.' I think it would be a net benefit to the users. "One day!"
@SuperSaiyanGod41, Okay? There were very few games the Wii (or Wii U, for that matter) could run that would have been able to use crossplay. Also developers weren't really implementing it yet. That's not even remotely a good example, lol. I really think people are overstating how much it would hurt Sony and how much it would help the competition. Also that blatantly ignores that it would be good for gamers. Since when did helping companies squeezing out a bit of extra cash encourage us to support policies that aren't beneficial to gamers in any way? People have yet to come up with a single reason why implementing crossplay is bad for gamers. @XabiDaChosenOne, Of course I read the entire article. He said it's a good thing for gamers and that they've looked into it. He also said it's the complicated dealings with first parties that is holding it back. It doesn't really matter if it comes into fruition or not, what was said flies directly in the face of SuperSaiyanGod41's comment, which implied that companies like EA were the ones holding back crossplay.
@superSaiyanGod I don't know how much it would help the competition. If you say because of larger player base, I say games like COD, Battlefield, FIFA have more than enough on Xbox and don't need more players from PS4. I think it could hurt Xbox though, if I could play Battlefield with my friends on Xbox with a PS4 maybe I don't need to buy an Xbox and buy a PS4 for the exclusives. Of course this also works the other way around, so I think it could potentially hurt both or just one or neither. I don't see how it benefits anyone other than consumers.
Wow... so since PS4 has the best exclusives and the stronger hardware (PS4, Switch & X1) that makes it ok to be entitled and not offer more value for THEIR customers? This does not benefit MS or Nintendo since they don't get royalties from cross play. This dude is trying to over analyse and justify Sony's decision but at the end of the day the only person it hurts is Sony
The goal of Sonys Plus membership is to get as many people playing on their platform as possible. It's the same goal that Microsoft has. By simple virtue of numbers you probably know more people playing on PSN than anywhere else. Sony wants those people to bring you in. Where you choose to play is a choice. If playing with friends matters, Sony wants you to do it on PS4. Sony is under no obligation to make live attractive to anyone by giving you the option to play on their network from anywhere else.
For nearly two decades, online gaming limited to the platform you played on was the status quo. Nobody had a problem. Even when Sony was open to it. Suddenly a couple games have cross play, and not allowing it is "entitled". Sure, okay.
I mean his approach to Sony is king of this generation is making it sound like they are entitled when that is not what got them here
GUTZnPAPERCUTZ Sony didn't get to the top from service access or crossplay, they got there from delivering great games. All this crossplay crying is because of fortnite accounts. It's simple to solve this problem. Sell your PS4 and keep your switch. Walla now u can enjoy fortnite on your switch. No one is holding a gun to your head over one free 2 play game u decided to waste tons of money on that doesn't even benefit u in the game anyways.
"This does not benefit MS or Nintendo since they don't get royalties from cross play." Say Sony allowed it with Fortnite. I started playing on PS4. Now I can play on my Switch. I play Fortnite on the go on my Switch and decide to buy some add-ons. Who made money on that sale, Sony or Nintendo?
And what of the PC and mobile players? They can buy Fortnite stuff on PC or mobile where Sony doesn't make any money at all. Those players can still use that account and DLC on PS4. It's clearly not about the DLC purchases. It's Sony taking advantage of their market share to push the community into buying PS and *only* PS. And it'll work this gen, it's smart business. But it probably won't work as well next gen, and I think Sony realizes that. Shawn Layden did recently say that they're working on some kind of solution though, so we'll see what they come up with. Even if they let us play with just our friends who own Xbox or Switch, rather than full matchmaking cross-play, and have it so our friends play with us on PSN. That would be something, and certainly better than nothing. I'd be fine with that.
Great question. I'm all for opening up crossplay but I have zero knowledge on the business considerations like that there. I certainly would not want my company to lose out on that money. Maybe they all would share it in some fashion.
pork chop That is true but PC and mobile aren't a service access like xbl and psn, they are simply hardware or devices just like the PS4, Xbox, switch etc etc.
@porkChop How many players are playing on PC and mobile compared to Xbox and Switch? Keep in mind Switch has a fledgling online community and because Xbox locks F2P behind a paywall, Xbox is only making available their Gold accounts, not every Live account. Then keep in mind they are competitors in the console market with their own ecosystems. It's a better deal to allow it with PC and mobile, because they aren't competing systems and Sony has a better chance of customers coming over from those platforms to spend money on add-ons in Sony's ecosystem. @Heisenberg Any sharing arrangement would likely need to include a mechanism to proportionally award the console manufacturers bringing in the most customers. Otherwise, why would I, for example, risk 5 sales for the chance to get 3? But I imagine Ninty and MS aren't as eager to allow cross-play on those terms as they are this current arrangement which lopsidedly favors them. @Gutz Epic does make money. That's why they push for it. But notice I limited my question to Sony or Nintendo. Be honest, not evasive. You know which one makes money in that scenario.
They don't. What they need to do is not lock Epic's account. It's a disgusting and draconian practice that no one should defend.
I agree so u also agree that locking free 2 play games behind a pay wall is disgusting as well right? I say this because that's forcing users who don't want to pay for an online service to pay to play a free 2 play game when other consoles aren't locking free 2 play games behind a pay wall. U agree?
I agree with all of your comment.
Yes, it is. No one is going to disagree with that.
To me locking ANY game behind a paywall is disgusting and anti-consumer even more so if it is a game you paid for and there is no excuse for it since the servers for 3rd party games like CoD or BF are provided and maintained by its devs/publishers. These practices (and others) led me to PC gaming and now consoles are only for their exclusives because console gamers have no standards whatsoever and are willing to defend practices like this, the one you mentioned or Sony's decision for not having cross play which from where I am sitting its only benefitial for them as gamers but console gamers like to pretend that they are little soldiers on behalf of companies that don't give two shits about them. The stupidity is real.
They don't need to do this, they don't need to do that. At what point do people stop being heels and give a damn about the greater gaming community?
For the players!
For the Playstation players. Not for the Xbox or switch players. Sony is only responsible for Playstation players. If you are not happy with your console then buy a PS4.
Ugh all this drama. Meanwhile PC is great!
Good! They should continue cross-play with PC & that's it.
It would seem that many here on N4G just keep blaming MS and don't really want to play with Xbox gamers. How about the option to select which system(s) you crossplay with? All, one, two, PSN only? Options are never a bad thing. But this being N4G I'm sure this idea won't go over well. My apologies if somebody already suggested this.
I know a lot of people that have switched their epic accounts to switch or Xbox. Sony will eventually change their stance. They’ll be arrogant until it hits them in the wallet.
"know a lot of people that have switched their epic accounts to switch or Xbox." How many? Millions? Thousands? Hundreds? Tens? Enough to count on your fingers? I think the last one.
nice retort bro.
Sorry Ninty and Minty, build your own audience. :-)
Agreed the Fortnite debacle isn’t as big as everyone says it is.
I agree its and not big NOW, but small things can turn big real quick in this and industry. Sony is king this generation and because Of that they along with the fanboys can be smug, but it’s stupid to combat against cross play just because they’re they can. Why not just keep the momentum going and in the process keep building that goodwill?
But why not?
Because of the same reason Microsoft said no last Gen.
Interesting that the article ommited the fact that Microsoft refused cross play last gen and no one started a drama show like this one. The message here is that it was ok for Microsoft to refuse crossplay but Sony is a villian for doing the same? Why should Sony be responsible to help Microsoft and Nintendo with their small user bases? Isn't that Microsoft and Nintendo's job??????
cross play is such a retarded none issue like backward compatibility and fart clouds. they dont sell consoles end of. nobody really cares apart from a tiny minority that want to play with there friends that have different consoles. and there not the ones that are making a fuss. butt hurt xbot journalist are responsible for this latest farce
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