EA on the backlash against women in Battlefield V: ‘Accept it or don’t buy the game’

“We stand up for the cause, because I think those people who don’t understand it, well, you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game,” Patrick Söderlund says. “I’m fine with either or.” According to Söderlund, the dev team itself also pushed for women in Battlefield V.

[chrisx]

pretty much my sentiments aswell. don't like it don't buy it's easy. and I'm no fan of ea.

[hulk_bash1987]

I never understood this mentality, it's a freaking game. It's not like Battlefield was ever "realistic" anyways. I mean in what world can you parachute out of a plane, blow up another plane with a rocket launcer and get back into your plane? Just get over yourselves already.

[JaguarEvolved]

I'm buying this game day one.

[Akarogg]

Historical revisionism is concerning

[hulk_bash1987]

@akarogg
What? Its a game, if you're getting your history lessons from a game you have big problems.

[Skull521]

Cool, don't want to listen to the fans? I'll take option 2, not buying it.

This is exactly why Solo flopped, I hope your game follows suit.

[comebackkid9891]

Would a survival horror game about the holocaust where you play as a survivor get your seal of approval if the interned figures were black?

[360ICE]

"historical revisionism"
Women fought in WW2 and BF is not a credible source of history anyway.

[Enturax]

@hulk_bash1987
I like how you've summarized it all with: " Its a game, if you're getting your history lessons from a game you have big problems." and you got likes for such an ignorant statement from fellow gamers who would be 1st to defend gaming if someone would say that games are worthless, unimportant.

Truly, such a fucking human stupidity at its finest where you can clearly see people defending something to death just because they like it.

[Edito]

You said it all and I fully agree with you...

This is the gaming world runned by gamers who really don't know what they want and forget that gaming is supposed to be fun and give us history in the vision of the makers and that vision sometimes is twisted in a good way... and no matter what EA does they will trash anyway... I'm not a fan of EA but i have no problems with this games at least it's still Battlefield if gamers want to be mad at a game Cod deserves it all...

[Cobra951]

"Women fought in WW2 and BF is not a credible source of history anyway."

Women were not combatants in WW2. They acted in auxiliary roles like production, transportation and nursing. I'm not sure what the big deal is here, because I don't much care for this type of game, and I haven't looked into it. So I can't really comment any further than that.

[yeahright2]

@enturax
I'm confused. Are you saying you should be able to use games to get history lessons from or that games can only be worth something and important if they're historically accurate?
I mean, what does being historically accurate have to do with being important? Something can be both, but something doesn't have to be historically accurate to be important or have value.
Heck, the first telephone was important. What was historically accurate about it?

[SixFragz]

You are talking about realism in terms of gameplay. BF has never been fully realistic in terms of gameplay, obviously.

What has people annoyed is that they have compromised the realism of the source material, of history, of World War II.

You people still don't understand the essence of peoples distaste with this game, and I don't know how much more it can be hammered into peoples' heads.

[PGRfox]

I don't get the mentality of having to put women in games? It's like having to put a black person in a game just to meet a quota or something. If there's a reason besides appeasing all of the liberals, fine, however, most companies throw minorities, and now women in games just to say "see? We're not racist or sexist!" Please, we're not buying it.

[sampsonon]

@Akarogg: exactly https://www.google.ca/searc...

[darthv72]

Sounds kind of like MS and their... we have a console for those who don't want to be always online, it's called the 360. Or when Sony said hat people will just have to get a 2nd job to afford the PS3.

Arrogance is not a good look for PR statements, no matter how true they may be.

[hulk_bash1987]

@Enturax
A person who's main/only source of history is a videogame is indeed an ignorant person. There are history books and non-fiction literature for that. A videogame is meant to be a piece of entertainment. Sure there are games who's main goal is to be educational but that not the case with all games. Get off your high horse, I never said games shouldn't be taken seriously as a media form in general. I'm simply saying that fear of "historical revisionism" is a ridiculous arguement when there are other sources to get more historically accurate information.

[fathertime4464]

I love how people out saying woman were none combatants. Woman were combatants in ww2 in french resistance and in the Russian military. What they dont get credit because they weren't British or American?!
First and foremost those that say it's a game are absolutely correct, if it's so horrible to change how things happened in ww2 than how come games like wolfenstein exist and no one criticizes it?
Also to those that are using history shouldn't be changed, I have a news flash for you. The carp you learned in school is only half truths and one sided recollections.
Grow up people and enjoy gaming for what it is, a form of entertainment

[3-4-5]

Exactly. Day 1 purchase for me. As long as they aren't forcing me to be a women then I'm cool with it.

I have no problem playing as a female character if it's her own franchise and it's known she is the lead like Tomb Raider and Laura Croft....great character or that girl from The Last of Us ( I haven't played it yet...go easy on me..lol)

It's when you force it in a way that is basically stealing somebody else's hard work to push your agenda.

That being said....Why are people mad there are women in Battlefield 5.

I feel like the people who are made, don't really have any women friends or don't have a girlfriend.....

You neckbeards are the SJW's of Men. You are literally the same as the people you complain about.

[Realms]

Right because EA didn't build these franchises on historical events? They spawned the entire genre with exactly that premise with Medal of Honor. I could care a rat's ass if they want to include women in combat roles but what rubs me the wrong way is how they are using the guise of inclusion to sell cosmetics and change the tone of the game at least from what I have seen in the trailers.

[UnholyLight]

Yeah Battlefield has never been completely realistic but...I dont want to go get a gaming pc just to play a REALISTIC AUTHENTIC WWII shooter. Finally we go back to WWII and now there are things in the game that don't actually properly represent the era, because of "inclusiveness"

I want fallschirmjager to look like the correct guys, the 101st Airborne to look the part, the British to look like British soldiers etc. The only people that fielded female soldiers were the Russians who have in many history books noted how the female snipers actually racked up the kills, and the French resistance was obviously anybody who wanted to join etc, or the British having special troops that may have included women dropped behind frontlines...that is fine.

I think the real issue is that a WWII shooter should be PROPERLY represented and yeah while the goofy fun battlefield antics have always existed...I just think it will ruin the feeling seeing NEON BLUE FACEPAINT and women Nazi soldiers both of which never ever happened that is just going to make me eyeroll while I play.

BF 1 had a reason to include Russian women snipers and black men on the German/Austro Hungarian soldiers...they actually were represented because they actually fought in those particular armies.

[PUBG]

It's not just a game. The video game medium is being used to indoctrinate people subconsciously with liberal left politics and political correctness.

It's no different from what Hollywood does with their movies, in order to sell their political opinions to the masses. After you play enough of these games, watch the liberal dominated mainstream news, and watch all of the big budget movies put out by Hollywood, you begin to accept and believe in those ideas and points of view, it's just a fact. When people are told the same things over and over, people tend to believe it, and most of the time they will not research what they're being told to see if its true or not.

The only way you know if you're being brainwashed, and many people today are brainwashed by a combination of different types of media, is if you understand the agendas afoot, and you know what to look for.

The fact that you are seeing so many games coming out soon, that all have women protagonists is no accident, as all of the big publishers and developers are trying to out-virtue signal eachother right now.

Dice knows full well that fans of WW2 games don't want unreal nonsense like this in a game like this. If they really want to have a female character like the one that they've shown in the trailer, then why make a WW2 game at all? The goal has always been to create the best recreation of WW2 possible, not to create some fantasy steam punk game. Of course now all of a sudden Dice says that they've never aimed for realism, which is total bull.

If they wanted to go with the female steampunk type of game, then why not just create a fresh games series? Simple, it's because they are pushing the left wing liberal inclusively agenda. Kind of like how The Last of Us 2 is pushing the LGBTQ agenda with Ellie being a lesbian. Developers now place huge importance on making sure that everyone knows what their game characters sexuality is, when it shouldn't matter at all.

Nobody I know has ever been against having women in video games, nor have they been against them playing video games withthe guys. In fact, most men love seeing women in games, and they like playing with women.

The diversity\inclusivity doctrine that we're seeing en mass by the entertainment industry as a whole, is designed to cause division. It basically says that women, people of colour, and LGBTQ people are all victims, and that the liberal left wing is there to protect them and push their rights, when in fact, they aren't victims. This helps the left to create a voter base, and plays with peoples emotions to get them fired up.

I'm just scratching the surface of this issue, but if you have never heard an explanation like this, or if you think it's just pure conspiracy, then this is a good time for you to research the current culture war that is unfolding, and is splitting the USA into two right now. The universities are ground zero as a breeding ground for this insanity at the moment.

[Gaming101]

To be clear, what people are pissed about is the shoehorning of women into roles they have no business being in ie. combatants on the battle field, especially when you're trying to show a historical war. If you want a fictional war, make a fictional war. That's what the Wolfenstein devs did. They created an alternate history where the Nazis won WW2.
Also, the shoehorning of LGBT characters into everything, ie. Star Wars. These people make up 2-3% of the population yet are being shoehorned into movies, games, tv shows and books as if they're some enormous population that should be represented as such. No, they are in fact not an enormous population, and don't need to be shoehorned into everything.

[hulk_bash1987]

@Gaming101
If you cant get past playing as a woman soldier then as the developer said, move along. This game clearly isn't for you, play another game that suites your tastes.

[GTgamer]

Same for last of us don't like it don't buy it plenty of others games to play we don't need yall 😂😂😂

[VenomUK]

Let's break this down:
* When Battlefield 1 was going to be released EA promoted it as being an accurate portrayal of WW1.
* Then when EA reveal the sequel some criticise them for it not being historically accurate because it includes women.
* EA explain it is as creative license
* Internet complainers people kick up a fuss

Ultimately Battlefield V is not a documentary, it's an 'inspired by history' game and as more females play games it makes sense to include them. Maybe EA could have emphasise at the reveal that it was inspired by the era but likewise why are there people whining so much about including women? Ridiculous. EA have the right attitude with saying 'if you don't like it don't buy our game.' But I think the people complaining is a minority, AND IT IS A MINORITY.

NEARLY ALL gamers are happy for women to be included. So it makes me wonder why EA is being so vocal... the trailers for Battlefield V look pretty standard, the game looks generic. Black Ops III which also has a female lead, seems to have captured the lion's share of coverage by the media and gamer hype. It makes me wonder if EA are using this conversation as a marketing tactic to say they are 'pro-women' to encourage sales? If they are I don't think it is a good technique as the talk of Black Ops IIII is about the game and the talk about Battlefield V is about their argument with a minority of internet trolls. If I was handling this at EA I wouldn't even engage in the debate anymore, I would just continue making the game and let people make their own choice. Right now Battlefield V has an air of negativity whilst Black Ops IIII has a whole load of excitement. I think I know which game most FPS fans will choose.

[GottaBjimmyb]

Most people complaining aren't complaining about it including women, (though some are, just a VERY small minority) just hat battlefield games have generally leaned into realism more than fiction (COD usually going the opposite) so it is a bit out of character for the game to include women in the battlefield when they weren't there historically. That said, I personally could care less, I am actually more turned off by the hook hand and COD-like action gameplay in all honesty.

I think it is pretty awesome though if they follow through with their promise of no loot crates and free DLC, if it turns out to be true (feels unlikely) then I will buy just on that premise alone vs COD.

As for TLOU, the game is fictional and Ellie being gay is part of her character and the vision of the creators/writers, so I am all for it. I am not a fan of shoe-horning in races, gender, sexuality just for political correctness, but TLOU2 is not doing that, it is part of the vision and personality of the character that they wanted.

[Averyashimself]

@Venom some would say that the Star Wars fans who were boycotting Solo were a minority. Look what happened.

[thorstein]

@ all of the above.

Just because Britain, the USA, and Canada didn't allow women to fight in WWI and WWII means that women didn't fight in those wars?

Wow, this place... Women didn't serve in combat roles in WWII nor WWI? Yeah. Okay.

With all the talk of "respecting troops" but here we have the same group that lamented allowing black people into BF1 (1 in 20 US soldiers were black) denying that women fought in those wars. Then call it revisionism to include the very people that fought and died in those wars. Astounding intelligence in this "debate."

Next they'll be claiming women didn't fly fighter planes for the Soviets. Where does the ignorance end?

[GottaBjimmyb]

@thornstein, it is just factual that women did not engage in combat in WW2 from US and EU countries. In fact, of all allied nations only russia had women in combat, and even then a small proportion of combatants (less than 3% including non-combatant women in Russia) and were used as "propaganda tools." Women were certainly in the military and were very important members deserving of honor and respect, but a game showing them on the battlefield in combat in high numbers is just untrue. And for some off-putting, if you expect realism from a company with a history of realistic content.

People like you who push revisionist, amd untrue history as fact, are the reason many dislike "creative" representation of historical events, because you then pretend like it is actually a factual representation.

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"The only belligerent to deploy female combat troops in substantial numbers was the Russian Provisional Government in 1917.[27] Its few "Women's Battalions" fought well, but failed to provide the propaganda value expected of them and were disbanded before the end of the year. In the later Russian Civil War, the Bolsheviks would also employ women infantry"

"The Soviet Union mobilized women at an early stage of the war, integrating them into the main army units, and not using the "auxiliary" status. More than 800,000 women served in the Soviet Armed Forces during the war, which is roughly 3 percent of total military personnel, mostly as medics.[15][16] About 300,000 served in anti-aircraft units and performed all functions in the batteries—including firing the guns.[17][18] A small number were combat flyers in the Air Force,[19] forming three bomber wings and joining into other wings. Women also saw combat in infantry and armored units, and female snipers became famous after commander Lyudmila Pavlichenko made a record killing 309 Germans (mostly officers and enemy snipers)."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
"The United States, by comparison, elected not to use women in combat because public opinion would not tolerate it.[1] Instead, like in other nations, approximately 350,000 women served as uniformed auxiliaries in non-combat roles in the U.S. armed forces. These roles included: administration, nurses, truck drivers, mechanics, electricians, and auxiliary pilots. [2]

Women also took part outside of formal military structure in the resistances of France, Italy, and Poland, as well as in the British SOE and American OSS which aided these."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...
"Women in World War I were mobilized in unprecedented numbers on all sides. The vast majority of these women were drafted into the civilian work force to replace conscripted men or work in greatly expanded munitions factories. Thousands served in the military in support roles, e.g. as nurses, but in Russia some saw combat as well."
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Alternatively. Black men were well represented and proportional, over-represented in WW2 and anyone who was upset about black people in BF1 is an idiot, but considering it is on of the most liked trailers of all time and the best selling battlefield, I highly doubt your claims of equal outrage are true.

[CaptainObvious878]

You can put all the women in the game you want, just stop your pathetic virtual signalling.

If you keep virtual signalling I won't be buying the game.

[Cobra951]

"Virtue signaling." But I understood you, and I agree it's a pathetic thing.

[fiveby9]

EA's sales of BF5 will take a hit and more so because of their faux elitist response than the inclusion of a woman. It's a very lecturing response from them which turns many people off.

[InMyOpinion]

With BF1 it was the black soldiers, now it's the women. BF5 won't take a hit because of a handful of insecure incels, religious fanatics and alt-right nutjobs who hate women and are too narrow minded to understand the concept of fiction.

Go read some books. Educate yourself. And stop being so damn scared of everything that is different.

[FITSniper]

@InMyOpinion

Well if you go read some books and educate yourself, then you'll know that women were not combat soldiers in WW2. And blacks actually were in limited capacities.

But hey, it's easier to say people hate women than actually care what they think. Apparently because I don't like the idea of killing women in a war zone, I hate women. Apparently because I don't like the idea of blowing up women with grenades, bazookas, etc, I hate women. Yes it's just a game. But apparently because I don't like those things, I hate women.

[UnholyLight]

Business 101, virtue signalling is very, very bad. Usually a pretty good indicator of bad CSR if you ask me.

[rainslacker]

They stand up for the cause though. By their own admission. Apparently, their reason for doing it is agenda based, because otherwise, there would be no cause. They're making it into this big thing, which is the very definition of forced.

people voiced their criticism, and now they're up on their high horse acting like they're all in the right. While they are free to do what they want with their game, no cause is served by ignoring those who take issue with what is being done. What people have a problem with is the fact that they're making it into a cause.

Thus, using their product to serve an agenda. In a game, where people don't want politics injected into their games.

Fight the good cause there dev. People will buy the game, no one will care about your agenda in the end though. They can pat themselves on the back for being progressive in the worst way possible.

[Soc5]

The next Battlefield will have the Elderly!! Why should they be excluded? and it will have soldiers in wheel chairs and blind soldiers (where your screen is just black) and of course children, because if you don't include children you are being exclusionary, and of course pets. Pets have been woefully underrepresented in war games!

[Sayai jin]

It's hilarious to see someone say that revisionist history is concerning. History has been whitewashed, especially American history.

As far as women in the game, I'm a retired veteran and of course have a network of Veterans as friends. I don't know one that has a problem with this game. If you're looking for realism this game isn't it.

To the poster mentioning putting minorities in games... Keep in mind that the demographics are changing. The current majority in America will be the minority in 20 or so years. Liberals? Save me the propganda and talking points.

If tou don't like the game, then don't support it. If you do like it buy it. It's that simple...don't understand all the moaning.

[Oschino1907]

Did you have any actual rebuttal to any one who is not happy with BFV or is it only anecdotes, hyperbole, deflection and a general sense of smugness that you couldn't care less yet feel the need to tell others why they shouldn't care?

Here is my comment from another article...

"I think it's very simple.... If you choose to make a game set in a very serious and well known point of history, you must respect the history to some extent, and by that I mean don't try to rewrite it to fit some narrative today. If they did an alternate universe that's fine, but they seem to want the historical context but non of the accuracy which coming from a battlefield game seems very weird. The main games were either in a fictional universe or based on real life wars and they were heads and shoulders more accurate compared to say COD. Battlefield needs to stick to being Battlefield, that's why people love it.

Something like this could have easily been a Bad Company game and I guarantee their wouldn't be this kind of a fuss, but they want to milk WW2 for its setting while taking to this point unheard of creative liberty in how they portray it.

The sad part is it seems just as pathetic as even the harshest critics claim and they literally are doing this to push a personal agenda whether that be inclusion and going after a segment they was never really into Battlefield or just to gain attention over something they knew ahead of time would gain lots of attention good or bad just for the sake of being known about to a much wider audience.

COD already went a little overboard with ww2 setting and cosmetics but still had a story that attempted to pay respect to the war. BF just seems like once again it's trying to out COD at being COD and by doing so both losing its identity as a BF game and respect from many long time fans who want it to stick to that formula that won them over years ago because it was the more realistic game compared to the others out there.

They seem like they totally lost their identity and trying to remake the game while still claiming "hey it's the battlefield you always loved but new and improved". Meanwhile many fans like myself are sitting here wondering wtf happened, it's a main series game but with totally misunderstood naming and a setting that totally separates itself from much of what the series is known for.

To be honest though, personally I lost all interest when they announced a mode focusing on vehicle warfare since BF has always had very arcade and unrealistic vehicle attributes. I refuse to unlearn my instincts from well over 1000hrs of War Thunder to bother with any other game that wants to promote vehicular warfare and take great creative liberties like past BF games. Almost as bad as the World of (tanks, panes, warships), why even bother if they barely perform anything like their real life counterparts.

But go ahead and after this game fails to meet expectations refer to people like me as purely sexist and misogynistic if it helps you cope with others not agreeing to your particular world view."

[rainslacker]

The criticism is that BF was a more realistic approach to combat in WWII, and this game doesn't provide it. So, saying, "If you're looking for realism, this game isn't it", you are both acknowledging the criticism, and ignoring that that is the problem.

[PUBG]

@ Sayai

You do realize that WW2 was in a different time period than today right? My grandfather was a WW2 veteran in the Canadian Military, and I bet he would have had a far different opinion from you, because at that time, having women on the front lines just wasn't reality.

It would be like Hollywood saying that they're going to make a movie like 'Saving Private Ryan', and then you get to the theater, and you end up seeing women landing on the beaches of Normandy. It would get absolutely crushed by critics.

If this were a game based in modern times, then of course things would be different, and that's the whole point that people are trying to make.

[Sayai jin]

Oschino, it's a comment board so therfore I left a comment. There is no hyperbole nor smugness in my comment. I stated facts. I'm smug because I am a retired combat veteran?
I understand the need for historic accuracy, place, setting, etc. Do you feel the same about movies and the sort.

[47]

It’s funny, the same dorks saying “don’t like it don’t buy it” are the same losers who complained about the lack of POC characters in games like the Witcher and Kingdom Come. All of a sudden they’re all for individual choice. That sure as hell wasnt the case as they tried to force CDPR and Warhorse to alter their games before release. EA is making the same mistakes Lucasfilm has In assuming the core fan will stick with them regardless and that’s not the case. The last time a CoD had a like/dislike ratio the way this game does it went on to sell almost less than half of its predecessor. You can be guaranteed the same will happen here. They’ll blame “sexist” gamers but in reality it’s their own fault for be so completely out of touch with their core audience.

[StrawberryDiesel420]

Agree. I'm running around in Modern Warfare Remastered as a black woman and i think it's hilarious. I do understand Battlefield is more realistic. However, just enjoy the gameplay and be glad we have the Battlefield franchise.

[babadivad]

His response sounds eerily close to what Star Wars execs have been saying about criticism of their movies .

[Enturax]

@yeahright2

I'm saying there are games that can teach you stuff, that includes history. hulk_bash1987 says no game can do that and we have our brains damaged or we are uneducated for thinking so.

[manabyte77]

Regardless of your feelings about the subject, it’s still not the smartest thing to say to your customers. EA acting like some moral pariah after being consistently voted worst company every year. The irony 😂. It reminds me of Adam Orth: Deal with it!

[IamTylerDurden1]

You can't use the EA hate hype as an excuse for everything. EA is actually right, if you don't like that women are in a game then don't buy it.

EA is greedy and they made mistakes, but EA Originals is terrific and they are right about this. The hate over a woman protagonist in Battlefield is absurd.

Btw, Sea of Solitude looks amazing.

[Darrius Cole]

EA doesn't really mean that. They just think that it doesn't matter and that people will buy the game anyway. They are thinking "there are not enough people who feel like this to affect the sales of the game in any real way." If they knew that a really significant percentage of their fans would not buy the game over this the response would be entirely different.

It is a poor response. The best thing would have been to say nothing. There is no point in adding disrespect to the conversation if you are not going to do anything anyway.

[submarinna]

STFU

[KwietStorm_BLM]

DICE =/= EA

[morganfell]

DICE = EA. They are a wholly owned subsidiary of EA and have been since 2006. EA dictates their overall policies.

[LgbtWarrior]

Just because you’re a customer does not mean you’re immune to criticism and feedback. It’s actually very smart. Weeding out the toxic to embrace the positive gamers of all backgrounds.

[Gh05t]

"God you sound fucking stupid. My GOD. Are your parents siblings? And if you are doing this just to troll, do you have nothing better to do in your basement?"

Yes you bastions of posativity.

[Stevonidas]

Hmmm, I think I WONT BUY THE @#$%*!^ GAME.

[porkChop]

Good for you. Pretty pathetic if having playable females stops you from buying a game.

[Stevonidas]

Playable females with robotic hands are hardly historically accurate. Might as well throw unicorns in there while you're at it.

Hey, I think I just gave EA a great idea for their microtransactions...

[ziggurcat]

@stevonidas

it's not robotic...

it's this: https://c.slashgear.com/wp-... which is historically accurate to the period.

[MetalGearsofWar]

Why is it pathetic to not spend money on something you dont want?

[Tetsujin]

"Playable females with robotic hands are hardly historically accurate. Might as well throw unicorns in there while you're at it."

Who the hell cares? History is written by the winner, and anyways there's this magical place called gaming.

[Araragifeels]

@ziggurcat Yeah are correct but I never heard a soldier going back to fight in the war with a Prostate arm rather soldier will be in the hospital, discharged and send back home. If we are talking about today, I can see it be more accurate but in WW2, is not historical accurate.

[ziggurcat]

I was talking about the arm itself being accurate to the period. He said it was robotic. It's not.

[fatbastard11]

If they're worried about including females then they never should've made a WW2 game, it makes absolutely no sense.All they had to do was make a modern or futuristic game and nobody would give a sheet.

[MorpheusX]

@porkchop

Listen, it's not about having playable females in a video game, it's about the messages being sent.

It's a political message, it's a message of feminism, & female empowerment, that women can do what men do.

It's Liberalism, it's Marxism, it's Ultra Left leaning Politics. And it's a message that the Games Industry in general has endorsed.

It's gender confusion, it's the LGBT. Most gamers are still males, over 95% of gamers are male.

The Interactive Entertainment Industry called video gaming is promoting & actively pushing Politics into Gaming.

That's concerning, women are beautiful, but as a male, I don't want to "Role Play" as a female character. I want a male character to Role Play as.

This is simple, but due to personal bias, gamers who are " liberal " in there cultural ideologies, people are "PRETENDING" like don't understand what the fuss is all about.

It's simple, I'm a guy, a man, I DONT WANT TO PLAY A GAME AS A FEMALE PROTAGONIST,....I want to "Role Play" as a male protagonist, because I'm a man, I identify with the testosterone laced gender, ...I don't care who has an issue with it, and of course I will not purchase games which push "Liberal", "Feminist " , "LGBT" Politics.

[porkChop]

@Morpheus

"This is simple, but due to personal bias, gamers who are " liberal " in there cultural ideologies, people are "PRETENDING" like don't understand what the fuss is all about."

I'm far from a liberal and I still don't see a problem with it.

"It's a political message, it's a message of feminism, & female empowerment, that women can do what men do."

So you're implying that women can't do what men do. Yeah, I'm getting a clearer picture of what kind of person you are.

"It's gender confusion, it's the LGBT. Most gamers are still males, over 95% of gamers are male."

That's false. More gamers are male, sure, but it's far from 95%.

"It's simple, I'm a guy, a man, I DONT WANT TO PLAY A GAME AS A FEMALE PROTAGONIST"

Yeah, and I'm sure female gamers don't want to play as a male protagonist, but they almost always have to. You can't always get what you want, Morpheus. Tough shit. Grow some balls, and take it like the man you claim to be.

"of course I will not purchase games which push "Liberal", "Feminist " , "LGBT" Politics."

That's great. Thank you, really. Less bigots on the battlefield is wonderful news for all the decent human beings who just want to enjoy their games. Do me a favour, don't buy any of the other games coming out this year. I hear they've all got females in them, and I wouldn't want you to pop a blood vessel or anything.

[RainbowBrite]

Guess what. You want historical accuracy, go read a history book. Here we are dealing with art, and with it, the freedom of doing creatively whatever you want

[Weeblordbad]

Not to mention painting ANY battlefield as an accurate representation of combat is...hilarious.

[Akarogg]

You debase games so much

[MorpheusX]

@RainbowBrite

"ART", imitates Life.

A picture speaks a thousand words. Let's not pretend there is "no message", be it Art or otherwise.

Media, of all sorts , has a potential to alter, distort, change ideas, change the way people view reality, life.

ART & Media are powerful tools, Politics is a religion, it pushes a belief system.

You say freedom do to or make whatever one wants. But let's not "pretend", choices are made absent of consequences.

So what are the consequences for the gradual indoctrination of a gaming populace that is STILL a high 95% male?

What happens to a Society when " Feminism " is embrace & pushed, when LGBT is embraced & pushed?

The men become effeminate over time, ...it's "Gender Confusion"., they start wearing women's clothes & want to have sex change operations, what's "WRONG" with what is "Natural"?, what's wrong with Creations Natural disposition, traditional male/female roles?

Why does everything naturally beautiful have to be turned inside out , dissected, taken apart, upended, mutated, & destroyed?

What's with the" insistence "that games now include lead female protagonist? Why?, there wouldn't be some type of Agenda would there be?

Go do some research on history & see what has become of the Societies & Kingdoms before that have fallen for indentical reasons like Ie: Gender Confusion etc.

[RainbowBrite]

@MorpheusX Wow... crazy people are scary. Not on the internet, but like in real life. I usually say yeah yeah you are right and you know just go away.

[uncharted56]

You want historical accuracy go look somewhere else.

[LgbtWarrior]

Their stock ain’t gonna tank because of you.

[senorfartcushion]

Do you not know how MP works?

The single player sections are what are historically accurate and realistic. The mulitplayer is nothing short of a created and FAKED experience.

[LoveSpuds]

@Araragifeels
Ever heard of a pretty famous WW2 British pilot called Douglas Bader? The guy had two prosthetic legs and went back to flying Spitfires once he recovered from his injuries.

I was also at the Imperial War Museum in London 2 weeks ago and saw the prosthetic limbs given to WW1 veterans, they look exactly like the one portrayed in this game.

Ultimately, it doesn't matter, it's a work of fiction, having women in a combat zone is no more far fetched than infantrymen jumping into tanks, using artillery and aircraft whenever the mood takes them.

[Sircolby45]

@Araragifeels I have never heard of a prostate arm. Sounds kinky.

[Majin-vegeta]

mehh im buyin it cuz its the only FPS out there that feels like out war.

[Hungryalpaca]

Post scriptum and squad feel like war. This isn’t war.

[MorpheusX]

@Majin-vegeta

Compromiser.

[Zodiac]

Thank you! They should have added "and just shut up already"

[-Foxtrot]

"and just shut up already"

Honestly they keep going on about it...I haven't heard any one talk about this for a while, especially with E3, it's just them turning a dozen of so complaints into one main sexist sounding thing so they can speak up about it and look like such "good guys" where people will give EA brownie points.

[Majin-vegeta]

*I haven't heard any one talk about this for a while*
Check the forums....

[-Foxtrot]

If you go looking for things, you will find it.

[-Foxtrot]

@gamerzero

Oh for the love of God

"Don't pretend you don't notice the same names in every "outrage" topic because it's pretty frickin oblivious by this point"

Then DON'T PRETEND that when the trailer first dropped it was only about ONE GOD DAMN THING

It wasn't, people listed a dozen or so things and when the woman thing came up it wasn't "EW a girl" it was "I don't understand, why is there a woman with a prosthetic hand on, what appears to be, the frontlines"...people had a point, especially someone on the front hands with a prosthetic hand.

The war stories with the young woman in Norway, I hardly see anyone talk about that because story wise it makes sense...a small town, a resistance fighter. It's like Battlefield 1 where you had someone based off a real life female soldier, Kara Fatma, it was inspired by real events.

https://forums.battlefield....

The main issue is people don't look into things, EA just shouts how it's this one thing to undermine all the other complaints people have with the game so gamers fight with each other, distracted.

When that trailer dropped people were going on about how it felt like a steampunk game, an alternative WW2, too colour, too bright, war paint on faces, shirtless or armour on soldiers which looked like it didn't belong there...I could go on, people listed a variety of things but someone it keeps coming back to this one thing. It's mad...makes all of us look bad on the outside if we keep pretending it is.

But sure...go ahead and disagree even though it's true. I mean check the N4G article of the very first reveal, people listed a number of things. Oh look it's already happening because they just like to take EA at their word all of a sudden.

[MuddyWaters]

"If you go looking for things, you will find it."

rich coming from someone who looks for things to complain about.

[DragonbornZ]

It's always interesting to see someone get offended by a remark not directed towards them.

The title is pretty clear. They aren't talking to you.

[MorpheusX]

@Foxtrot

" If you go looking for things, you will find it."

If you close your eyes, you won't find anything.

[Averyashimself]

This is another one of those instances where i completely agree with you. I don't think most of the people who are complaining are sexist and are resisting simply because there's a female on the cover. It's because with the track records of developers and, really the media in general, there's a trend for left leaning people in power to push political messages. In this case, "lets put a handicap-able female on the cover to virtue signal". If it was completely innocent for the developers just to randomly add in a female character, then I don't see so much of a problem with it beyond the fact that it looks non-immersive. But with the track record of these people, I can't come out and say that it's just an innocent adding of a character/gameplay change.

[DonkeyWalrus]

I've heard almost zero people complain about the game specifically because there is a woman in it. Maybe EA should shut up with their virtue signaling already.

"If you think our games sucks, it's purely because you are a misogynist. There's absolutely no other possible reason for you to not like our game. Only woman haters wouldn't buy our game. Are you a woman hater? No? Better buy our game then. Otherwise you're not only a woman hater, but also a liar." -- EA

[Tankbusta40]

I disagree with their use of women. It should have been on the eastern front and Lyudmila Pavlichenko should have been on the cover.

Again another post where I promote the use of an actual WW2 female hero that Dice could have easily used for the cover and also promoted the education of the heroic female fighters that fought and died for Mother Russia... But I'll get down voted as nobody on here who claims to want "women" in their games actually know about heroic female war heroes.

[Srhalo]

It's just a game. It's entertainment not education.

[Tankbusta40]

Nevermind not gonna reach someone like you.

[Rachel_Alucard]

It's a game trying to falsely portray WW2 despite it's advertising. A shoddy product. What about when Ubisoft censored the art on one of the jars that depicted women as slaves, yet put it in the educational segment that was literally designed for a classroom? They had the gall to claim diversity was more important then facts. What now?

[Akarogg]

You should hold games to higher standards

[Hungryalpaca]

saving private Ryan was entertainment. What is your point.

[fatbastard11]

For most people,including myself, entertainment very much has to do with immersion. Being on the battlefield in WW2 with a woman with a prosthetic arm making cheesy comnents is what we call "immersion breaking".

[MorpheusX]

@Srhalo

It's just a game.

A game is Media.

Media comes in different forms,. TV, Movies, Plays, Art Pictures, Lectures, Facebook, YouTube etc...

Does Media have the power to affect the thought process & thinking of a Society?

Yes.

So then, it's not "Just" Entertainment. It's a "tool", & tools are used to build & engineer things. Media Entertainment "tools" are used to indoctrinate through a"Gradual" process ,a body of people into a way of thinking.

Battlefield V isn't just a game, but a "tool".

You believe Hollyweird just makes movies for Entertainment? Of course not.

The Interactive Entertainment Industry called Video Gaming is no different.

[Averyashimself]

Thank you!!!! Solid point! @fatbastard

[Kabaneri]

Dont you know liberals hate Russia.

[Nicknasty]

Liberals just like to hate, period! They have an opinion, and if you disagree you deserve to die. They are a real bright bunch they are. Lol

[MorpheusX]

@Kabaneri

Allegedly.

[thorstein]

@Nicknasty,

Yeah, I know right,

Remember how much they hated gay people so they fought to get them equal rights. And before that when they hated black people so, so much that they ended segregation and allowed them to attend better schools.

Remember that time when they hated transgendered people so much that they marched so that trans could use whichever bathroom they wished.

Wait.... that's not hate.

[rainslacker]

I'm fairly liberal, and I'm fine with Russia. Been there three times in my life. The people are friendly, and the country is beautiful.

I also have no problem with women in my games, and I'd say many of my favorite characters in gaming are actually women...more so than men.

That being said, I'm not really keen on this forced inclusion that we are seeing more of today. I have little respect for devs who do these things with the sole purpose of seeming progressive. I love ND, but feel the way they did the trailer was pretentious and unnecessary, and felt like they were just trying to stir stuff up. I have no interest in BF, but saw that they were doing this and just felt that it was to have them seem progressive, and not because they really cared about telling any kind of satisfying story. The fact that they have a cause attached to it, admittedly in fact, is not a way forward to solve the issue of inclusion in games.

[RainbowBrite]

You are just pretending you knew Lyudmila Something, and so now you are teaching us and EA, when in reality just an hour ago you were googling WW2 female heroes, and that's the name you came upon!

[Goldby]

Specially with his hate for last of us two.

[DafunkyRebel]

Not buying cause it’s not bad company or ww3

[Scar-]

Feel exactly the same way as a old school gamer I've played enough WWII games.

[Aither]

Alright EA, not buying it then. :)

[FPS_D3TH]

Imagine being so petty and sad that a woman is the reason you can’t enjoy a videogame

[Akarogg]

It's not the reason It's the way It's been done

[Goldenarmz]

No, it is the reason. You guys can make excuses as to why you wont buy it or play it. But the rest of the world knows that you just dont wana play it because it has a girl in it. eww cooties.

[Hungryalpaca]

I’d rather play an actual WWII game so not buying cosplayer brigade.

[FPS_D3TH]

See you scrubs on the battlefield

[MorpheusX]

@D3TH_D33LR

Is it "really" so simple?

I don't know how old you are or your gender, but despite, the issue is not about "women" in games.

They always have been, but since Obama passed a law making it legal for Same Sex marriages in America.

There has a been huge upswing of inclusion in all different types of Media.

Social Media, Magazines, Movies, Art, TV etc are all pushing a devisive politically religious/ideology called "Liberalism aka Marxism.

The issue of Gaming pushing the inclusion of " Lead " female protagonist in so many high profile AAA quality games where the Marketing budget is big, promoting the views of the games to an even wider audience, is not just some "petty" thing.

It's a big deal.

[Averyashimself]

Imagine being so brainwashed that you can't even see it when developers are blatantly pushing political messages.

[rainslacker]

@D3TH

The rest of the world is pretty presumptuous then. The rest of the world seems to like to stick it's fingers in it's ears to hear what the actual criticism is too. Rest of the world seems that they only want to believe what they want to believe, and I'm not going to let them just ignore others because they can't make any actual argument about why a war shooter, which has been marketed for the life of the franchise as being more realistic, is now somehow realistic because it has a woman, with a prosthetic arm, on the front line.

But sure, everyone is just a woman hating misogynist.

[Bobafret]

The fact that he had to say "the cause" makes it a no buy for me just on principle. Do not lecture me.

[Goldenarmz]

oh shut up.

[Razzer]

wow....great argument there

[Specter229]

You are just hell bent on jumping into every comment where the person says they aren't buying it aren't you? I'm not buying it either. Not because it's a woman but because world war 2 has been beat to death, at least to the older generation of gamers.

[Goldenarmz]

Basically, as long as you guys are butt hurt cuz a woman is in the game ima jump in to each comment telling you guys to STFU.

[DonkeyWalrus]

I'm not buying it because I dont buy EA games period. EA sucks ass.

[r3f1cul]

while i agree with the sentiment ... dear god im very surprised the publicity people let this get posted O.o

[FPS_D3TH]

I’m glad. More of a stand needs to be made when it comes to changing video games for the sake of whiny minorities. People need to grow up and learn this isn’t a history lesson. It’s a videogame. If people are concerned their history is being revisioned by a videogame then I’d like to point them in the direction of their closest mental health clinic and suggest removing the spinfoil hat they’re wearing a bit too tightly.

[MorpheusX]

@D3TH_D33LR

Gamers, people are concerned with the messages in the entertainment they & there family, friends are consuming.

Mental health is for people who are unhappy with the Natural Order of life, and want to see everything beautiful destroyed, & deformed.

[rainslacker]

I'm glad too. The dev admitted to doing it to make it into a cause.

Usually they PR their way out of that part of it. Now we have a definitive statement that it was done to make a political statement.

I guess that's a great way forward for gaming, because nothing screams great story and progress than forcing topics into areas where they aren't needed. Nothing builds inclusion or rights than alienating your customer, and putting them on the defensive.

The fight is on....and DICE is doing it all wrong. But at least they're being honest about being completely ineffectual and not really knowing anything about how to do inclusion properly.

People aren't concerned about the revision of history, they're criticizing that the way it's being done breaks the immersion, and goes against the principals of BF being a more realistic WWII genre. They're criticizing because it was all done to push an agenda. People have been annoyed with this forced inclusion for some time now. Long before GamerGate.

Hope I cleared that up for you. I know you are not going to get it, because you don't care about anything but your own world view.

[aConIsDemocracy]

I aint buying it. No way. Not cause of the woman issue. i couldn't give a crap about that. It's because none of the devs like Napalm Death. Thats it. Im done.

[Goldenarmz]

Yes, it is because of the woman issue. Just own up to it.

[aConIsDemocracy]

you idiot. did you get anything i said. the bit where i said i aint buying was a joke too. not that i have to explain myself to you you self rightous prick

[CaptainObvious878]

oh shut up.

[Goldenarmz]

But yet you did?

[AnubisG]

Oh, we ruin your favorite games with left-wing liberal SJW bullcrap and you have zero right to say anything because if you do, you are a bigot and you should shut the hell up. After all, we don't make games for gamers, we make games for a select group of hateful communists. No surprise there, after all our country (Sweden) is the world capital of left-wing SJW culture. But we are not in the wrong, everyone else is.
-DICE

Yep, here we are.

[FPS_D3TH]

Lol imagine a women being the reason your favorite videogame is ruined.

[AnubisG]

It's not the woman guy, it's the social justice stuff that they do in games and when people say anything they go on a deffensive and actually how these guys react is amazing to me. Saying that they are not the History channel and just don't buy their game and sruff like that. They are making the whole situation worst. This game is based on WW2 not fantasy. BF was always a realistic shooter and now you got a game where Scottish dude jumps out of a window like a ninja with a katana straped on his back following him is a woman with a prostetic arm destroying everyone on the battlefield. Does this upset me? No, not really. What upsets me is the fact I know why they did this and what truly upsets me is how they react to people who question these design decisions. If you run a business, you don't talk down to your customers like that. That is bad business and very insulting. Who are they making games for? That is a question they need to ask themselves. Are they making this for as many people as possible or a few loudmouth SJW's or perhaps they are making this game for themselves? They have to decide.

[vega275]

@ D3TH_D33LR

I agree with AnubisG. I buy plenty of video games with women as the protagonist in the game. But I am also tired of hearing that anyone that has an issue with this game must hate women or Masogynist men. I'm tired of dev and publisher trying to appease the SJW. When they aren't the ones that mostly buy the game. We are and if their attitude is like this over criticism that women played no part in the frontline. than I also won't waste my money on this game .

[CaptainObvious878]

"Seriously. I hope this is a wake up call for devs to start making games they want and letting people consume it than listening to trolls who get upset when a videogame prioritizes fun over someone’s expectations of how much real history is their goddamn videogame. The minority of complaining “gamers” needs to be ignored or it’s going to start stifling this industry. Every single game coming out has some sort of ridiculous complaints about them. Just ignore them and like this guy at DICE says, don’t like it, don’t buy it."

Does that mean devs can make games with sexy half naked women without pathetic sjws complaining?

Oh, and well done for purposely ignoring Anubis' argument. Keep strawmaning, and keep saying "hur dur, you're just a bigot", it's really winning me over.

[Hungryalpaca]

You really don’t know how to read do you?

[MorpheusX]

@D3TH_D33LR

Women have "always" been characters in video games.

Some as lead female protagonist. The issue is why do women now need to be placed in leading roles in games that are traditionally geared towards men?

Why? Is there not enough creative talent in the Games Industry to specifically make games geared towards the female gamer?

If The Interactive Entertainment Industry is so concerned about inclusion, why not make games designed for Women?

Why do males have to be inconvenienced?, Why does immersion have to be broken by placing a women in a role that is traditionally for men in games?

I can answer that question,....it's self explanatory.

1 word: Politics (which is Religion, Politics is an Ideology, a belief system).

There's an Agenda, not some harmless thing you pretend it to be.

[Weeblordbad]

It's a video game.

BF is not a sim, it never was. It has always been inaccurate. They want to lean into it? Cool, just make sure it's fun that's all that matters. No one's telling you to shut up because you get whiplash every time someone mentions a woman, people are telling you to shut up because if you don't like something just DON'T BUY IT.

[Akarogg]

BF was never this bad. Regressive culture has been getting worse

[FPS_D3TH]

Regressive culture? Lmao I don’t think you know the definition

[Hungryalpaca]

Atleast in battlefield the characters looked like they represented a war instead of comic con.

[Tru_Blu]

But the uniforms and equipment have been authentic up to this point. Now it's a fashion show out on the battlefield lol.

[uncharted56]

You are a bigot tho. If having LGBT or feminism kills u so much when in no way it will actually affect you when you actually play the game, then yes you are just about as bad as the SJW who complain about not getting enough representation where as you complain about them getting representation.

[Akarogg]

I know you don't care about history but many do. That's the issue here

[bolimekurac]

why would you want anything lgbt related normalized, accepted yes, respected yes, normalized , NO, thats not good

[FPS_D3TH]

Muh history! Dude if this is where you experience your history you need a new hobby

[Akarogg]

No. I need a better game

[FPS_D3TH]

Lmfao imagine playing a dozen games in a series and thinking any of them were historically accurate.

[AnubisG]

No, I'm not a bigot. That's a typical argument. Just calling mr a biggot does not negate what I said. I'm ok with homosexuals as long as their lifestyle is not shoved down our throats. I respect their way of life, would never want to change them or hurt them. Just don't want to see what they want to do to each other in the bedroom.

As for SJW, now that I have a problem with. That mentality is cancer on society and it is a mental disorder. It has taken over universities, schools, the media and hollywood and slowly creeping it's way into video games.

People see this and call it out. You don't. That's fine. But don't try to just call people names just because you think what they are saying is wrong somehow. I will always call out SJW's but that is the extent I'm willing to take this issue. I don't have the time or will to get out on the streat dressed in all black with a mask on terrorizing people, shutting down traffic and demanding that everyone think the way I do or I will destroy the earth. SJW's do that. Crazy people to that and I will point it out and state my opinion on it if I can. Is that ok with you?

According to you people who have concerns and issues with something you don't are just as bad as SJW's huh? So we all should just shut up and never talk about anything. Yeah, that's productive. You know, there was a place in time for people wirh your line of thinking. 1940's Germany. Everyone just shut up, acceptrd everything and that was that. Or the Spanish inquisition, here too, everyone was thinking only one way or just shut up. I'm sorry that it makes you upset when people raise concerns or voice their opinions you don't like.

[mkis007]

I don't get why people can't just ignore things. Nothing impacts you so why care? Nothing impacts me in any way so I choose not to care. If you tell me I'm going to have to pay a tax for being white then then I'll care, but that isn't happening. I think the anti-sjw and pro-sjw name calling is ridiculously stupid.

[CaptainObvious878]

Then you're not paying attention and your very complacent.

Tell me, would you put out a small flame in your home rubbish bin, or would you wait until it's engulfed your house before you do something about it.

You need to call out bad ideas now or else you get things like tommy robinson or the nazi pug, and things are only going to get worse.

[mkis007]

Except following the logical path of this I see nothing damaging... There is nothing here that will affect me. When people want the history in schools to be revised with full women armies in ww2 let me know...this is a video game. There is nothing here that is restricting me at all in any way. There is no hatred towards any group of people shown by including women...or gays for that matter. There is nothing logically that will come of this to be negative (unless you are religious in which case we can't really have a logical discussion).

A fire is damaging from the beginning, Hitler hated the Jews from the beginning.

You can't sit there and tell me that games having women/lesbians/black people in them is going to damage me. I don't care if they want to make a game with a 10 foot woman killing all-black nazis by swatting at them with lesbian bats....a game is art and you either appreciate a piece or you move on to the next one. I liken this to Picasso in a way...He has a his own style that some people don't understand, but his paintings are still worth millions.

TLDR: You can in fact not like something without making it seem like the sky is falling. Please I am curious where you believe this will go that will be so harmful.

[AnubisG]

And I don't get it why it's not allowed to talk about things. Why is it a sin to voice an opinion about something you find "out of place"? The white man tax might even come as things are in this world today. All I see in the media is everything is white mans fault. So it wouldn't be suprising that in the future we will pay more tax. But that is another issue in itself. Why can't I point out SJW's when I see them? Call things what they are. This PC lifestyle is not for me. I will call it how I see it. Don't like it? That's on you.

I did not say this is damaging to you or to anyone. But people are annoyed and for good reason. What has been done in BF is very clearly done to please a certain group of people and it's clear as day. That is why people are complaining. You don't see it, that's fine. But don't try to shut people up who do.

Also, if you wanna go into schools, fine. In a kindergarden a techer introduced a little girl to her class. She told the cless her name and the things she likes. Than the teacher took the little girl into the bathroom and dressed her up as a little boy and whent into the classroom and than introduced the little girl as a little boy. The result was that the kindergardeners started crying like no tomorrow. They got confused and scared that little girl turn into little boys. Some of them where hugely scared by this. The parents whete furious. THIS is the kind of people who made BFV the way it is today. The people who think we need to just accept mental health issues as normal. People who will say, oh it's not a big deal it does not affect me. Maybe not you, but there will be little girls thinking based on BFV that one armed hero woman fought in WW2. Silly? Maybe. But this isn't eben my issue. My issue is how these developers are reacring to criticism. It's basically: go f@ck yourselves.

[mkis007]

Well if you can have an opinion so can they. I never said we can't talk, I just asked why fight a losing battle? If you want to change something get more supporters. Resistance is pretty futile. This has been going on for a long time. One group wants more representation/freedom/rights. ..guess what; they ALWAYS get it or move closer towards it. Show me an example where a group failed to gain rights equal to that of others and where society was never bothered by them again. Seems like a lot of self-inflicted pain and for no outcome that favors you.

[AnubisG]

@miks007

What fight?? I'm not fighting to surpress a group or anything like that. Did I ever say that a certain group can't have their say? No. However, I don't agree with SJW's and that is all. I will say whenever I get the chance that I don't agree with SJW views and I certainly don't like that they are influencing a lot of things today. Being a SJW is in my opinion a serious mental disorder. Look at those people. They all have a serious issue. Can't fit in society, confused about their own genders, etc. Instead of reinforcing their mentalissues, we should be helping them but not like this. This is not a loosing battle because there is no battle. You think there is because that is how you see it. This is simply just statements on what someone likes or dislikes or thinks morally accaptable or not. That is all. No more. There is no war or battle. Maybe i the minds of SJW's but that's it. If and that' a big IF, anyone is fighting any battle it's the SJW's. All they want to do is corrupt and demonize traditional family, white people and heterosexuality. The play victim all the time. The problem is that when this kind of behaviour is criticized, white knights, such as yourself rise up and try to virue signal and downplay it all. You have your ideas and opinions and I have mine. Both have their place and we should be able to talk about them like adult. I do think that you confuse SJW's with the true fiminist movement that actually wanted equality between man and woman and you also confuse SJW's with people like Martin Luther King who wanted equality between races. SJW's are nothing like those two exapmles I give to you. As I said, an SJW has serious mental health issues and they aren't fighting for anything really. They are just noise and the problem is that people justify their mental issues so this problem will never be solved.

[Mister_Wolf]

The customer isn't always right. This whole issue is evidence of that.

If anything ruins the game it will be if the gameplay is bad, or there are bugs, shit servers etc etc.

This situation hasn't ruined the game.

The game was only ever more realistic compared to COD.

[FPS_D3TH]

Seriously. I hope this is a wake up call for devs to start making games they want and letting people consume it than listening to trolls who get upset when a videogame prioritizes fun over someone’s expectations of how much real history is their goddamn videogame. The minority of complaining “gamers” needs to be ignored or it’s going to start stifling this industry. Every single game coming out has some sort of ridiculous complaints about them. Just ignore them and like this guy at DICE says, don’t like it, don’t buy it.

[Mister_Wolf]

@D3TH_D33LR I agree man. This is some petty stuff to moan over. I will definitely be picking this up. I like DICE's games, mostly.

[AnubisG]

The customer is ALWAYS right guy. I own my own business. They are ALWYAS right. Even when they are wrong.

This gamr has been ruined to many people. You may think it's silly. You may think it's wrong. But that won't change this fact. BF has never been this out of touch. They always tried to be somewhat realistic. Even in 2143 which was pure fantasy. Now all of a suddent we get a game full of SJW influence and when people complain it's always shouted down by people like you. To a mouse a cat is a problem. What is no problem to you, might be a problem to someone else and what is a problem to you, might be no problem to another person. Belittling the issues or concerns of others just because you don't have them isn't cool. Can we talk about something you don't agree wirh your majesty? Thank you!

[AnubisG]

@D3TH_D33LR

What a strange username....

Anyway, developers in my opinion are more than welcome to do whatever they want. But anything anyone will do will get criticism. If a developer chooses to ride a current political wave and puts it in their games, they need to be ready for a backlash. This is what's happening here. DICE is catering to the SJW group who won't even buy their games. They are more than welcome to do so. But when people raise their concern and issue with that, than don't talk to them kike this. They are your future potential customers. The people who will put food on your table. They knew 100% before they did this that this will be contraversial. They had to know. Yet they did it anyway. Personally, I as a business owner always try to appeal to everyone or the majority not a small loudmouth community. But hey, that's just me.

Also, if someome has a concern or issue wirh something you don't, it doesn't make them trolls. A trolls is just someone who raoses an issue when there is none or just to upset people. Therr are real concerns here by people. You don't see it, that's on you. But that does not negate that many, hundreds of thousands if not millions do have an issue because they see SJW slowly making it's way into our games. They already took over our universities and schools, the media and movies. Now they are doing it with games. And no, not every game receives complaints like BFV. That's not even close to the truth.

[MetalGearsofWar]

This is literally the future of video gaming. I mean, just look at TLOU 2. Get used to it.

[Akarogg]

You wish

[Kornholic]

Unless they sell less than previous titles.

[mkis007]

Just based on history it's not possible, for better or worse depending on what side you fall we are going towards a future of less restriction. Going backwards is really really hard to do; old people with old values die and new people with new values are born.

[Razzer]

Uh.....you are comparing a game that takes place in world history to an apocalyptic game in the future.

[MetalGearsofWar]

Both games seem like fiction to me.

[Razzer]

But one is based on actual events. What is the problem with TLOU2? You just don't want to play as a woman in any game?

[Gh05t]

Everytime Dice gives an interview about this I find myself less and less inclined to play it. Why couldn't they have just said we made a kick-ass story about a kick-ass woman you will probably like it and leave it at that... No we have "the cause" ...So what you made it a female because of an agenda and not some inspiration? Yeah that sounds so natural and much better. Seriously just because people bring up BS doesn't mean you have to actually respond to them. Especially if your response is to tell them to f-off.

IDK I could have gotten behind some inspirational story, but I won't get behind some representative quota. Meanwhile I will be waiting to play a bunch of games that have strong female leads this next year and surprise... Not as much complaining about those games...

I wonder why? /s

The irony of getting called out for sexism by the devs and media because you don't like the way something is implemented but you play games with female leads without issue plenty of times *cough* Lost Legacy, Horizon, Tomb Raider, soon TLoU2, and Almost every game that allows you to create a character as female *cough*

Just shows how far the media's head is up it's own ass when they can't take any critisicism that goes against "the cause"

[tsivik]

I honestly don't know why so many are surprised. Dice studio is in Sweden... a country with a feminist government that prides itself for being the most "progressive" country in the world. I mean, they are literally turning little boys into girls.

Don't worry, though. Once all the "refugees" take over the country in 10-15 years, you won't see any women in a BF game.

[Sirk7x]

Insulting an entire country over a video game...classy.

[Morpheuzpr]

A fucking men to every word you just said.

Real woke people can see through this bs. White knights are p*ssy whipped disingenuous creeps that think that by pandering to everything feminist they'll get some. Haa so thirsty!

[badboyz09]

I won't F**k EA!

[megaleo009]

Excellent,the woman need starring in this game too,I will to buy it,man who don't buy is who come from woman,very sad for those man who don't accept this.

[Hungryalpaca]

What?

[Bobafret]

It is the broken dialect of "white knight", a language thought to have died with 80's John Cusack movies and fanny packs. But a steady diet of Soy products and no strong father figure has seen it's reemergence in recent years.

[J-DARKnes]

Exactly, I don't buy anything published by EA. Speak with your wallet and don't buy the game, if you ate planning on buying it then stop crying about women being in the game.

[King_Lothric]

Women is not a problem for me with this game. Is EA the problem.

I have learn not to pre-order or buy any EA game until the community play it and Inform about it.

[Gaming4Life1981]

exactly! people will find anything to complain about these days. I agree with EA accept it or don't buy the game.

[YEP414]

Day 1

[nucky64]

having women in a war game is not an issue. having women in a wwII game is an issue. i wasn't planning on buying to begin with - but now, since the devs suggested it - i definitely won't buy it.

[JEECE]

I like that they introduced a bunch of annoying garbage like face paint designed to sell skins/MTs alongside of introducing playable female characters, so that whenever people complain about the changes obviously focused on selling MTs, they can say "You just HATE women!" "You're a terrible MRA sexist troll!". I'm actually not being sarcastic-this was a really nice marketing move, because they had to know there was going to be backlash on the aesthetic stuff, and they built in an unbeatable deflection.

If anyone actually thinks playable women are a big deal, MOH: Underground on PS1 had a female protagonist and that was like 20 years ago, so it just isn't anything to get worked up about.

[hoclilodru]

I would agree with you, but recently people constantly find something to be angry about. Like the new Assassins Creed people were throwing a fit simply because you have the OPTION to play as a woman, just the simple option was enough to enrage people.

For most people having a woman in the game is no big deal, but there is another group of people who seriously gets mad over anything and everything like this.

[JEECE]

What I'm saying is that like 3% of the people mad about the changes to battlefield are primarily mad about women being in the game, but by packaging the addition of playable women with all the changes people are actually mad about, EA can pretend like the people with legitimate criticisms are just "trolls mad about girls being included."

But yeah the minority actually mad just about female characters are dumb.

[bolimekurac]

again, it has noting to do with a female character, we have all played games with women as the lead character, that isnt the issue at all , its the sjw being forced into games just like this one

[Majin-vegeta]

I like that they introduced a bunch of annoying garbage like face paint designed to sell skins/MTs alongside

Price for not having premium💁

[FPS_D3TH]

Wow. Imagine a woman being the reason you can’t enjoy a game.

[Hungryalpaca]

Would you say the same about a white slave in a game about American slavery?

[FPS_D3TH]

No because I don’t rely on videogames as a source for retelling and recording history as any educated human being wouldn’t either because they understand videogames are entertainment and not some outlet for revisionist history.

[Hungryalpaca]

Saving private Ryan and 12 years a slave are entertainment. What’s your point?

[Bobafret]

Wow, imagine a woman.

[Gwiz]

Sure the reason why people should avoid EA is because of women in games,haha nice trick but you won't fool me.

[Donnie81]

Pretty dumb thing to say to your fans. I don't think most people are being sexist when it comes to the women in the game,they just want a more authentic game. Me myself I don't see a problem with it. They might not being talking like this If enough people don't buy it

[TheOttomatic91]

I think they’re focusing on this to put away attention on the fact there’s still loot bo- Er I mean “air lifts” in the game.

[Majin-vegeta]

Take it out on the crybabies about premium....plus it's just cosmetics

[Hungryalpaca]

Cosmetics during a war that doesn’t make sense to have cosmetics.

[Gwiz]

That was pretty much my point lol.

[TheColbertinator]

Buying it because it looks awesome.

[CrystalFantasy]

I guess I won't buy the game then.

[Chaos_Order]

Reading these comments... -_-

Okay, if the game was centered around "the heroic LGBT squad who saved the world and took down Hitler" then sure, I can see issue with that as being weak SJW pandering. But a woman fights in a war and suddenly "OMG I want historical accuracy!" in a game series where WWI tanks can travel at 30mph and horses can sustain a hail of bullets without stumbling. I'm not convinced. Having female soldiers just adds a little variety IMO.

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I have bought, played and enjoyed many games with female leads. However, the BF V reveal rubbed me wrong due to its ridiculous depiction of woman and world war 2.

[GrimDragon]

"you have two choices: either accept it or don’t buy the game,”
all people on all sides with differing opinions should follow this rule for all games.
but a comment like this coming from the company itself can backfire very quick. your devs depend on these games to succeed. it is their source of income. if people decide to not buy your game because you came off like a pretentious prick that's going to hurt your company and those who work for you.

[gigoran]

If the case was “EA on the backlash against no women in Battlefield V: ‘Accept it or don’t buy the game” it would be a different story wouldn’t it.

[Kostche]

We stand up for the cause

atleast he admits to the agenda now, its not because they wanted diversity, its because like all the games shown lately that they are following an agenda

and he is right, if you do not want this pushed on you, do not purchase the game, its not about hating on woman, its about pushing them into the lime light for some political agenda, nothing stops these companies making new games in new IPs having decent female leads, its about pushing them into already established games and forcing their belifs on rest of us

so yeah, push whatever you want, i choose not to support it

[Derceto]

Well, as much as I despise EA, I have to sit with this notion at least. It applies to anything out there. Either accept it, or don't buy it.

I don't accept EA or their practices, so I don't buy their games. Plain and simple. That's not even a shot at EA, it's just an example of this thought process in action.

[Azfargh]

I won´t buy it... just because the game it is not appealing to me. And oh, because it came from EA as well. Until they learn to truly respect the consumers after so many titles and start making games as the old days.

[Smokehouse]

Did they snap their fingers when they said it?

[Oschino1907]

No, they were "clapping back" from the information I have seen.

[Smokehouse]

Hey I hope the “de-authenticizing” helps them solve their apparent troll issue. They are chasing fortnite money and I don’t really blame them, it’s predictable. The destruction looks cool at least.

[Akarogg]

Oh it's on!

[Antifan]

Don't worry EA, I wasn't. With or without women in it. You're just an all-around sh*t company with sh*t games.

[Wallow]

I love the gaming community get triggered by this, revealing their true toxic colors lol

[bolimekurac]

its not about women in gaming, its that we can see the next game being led by caitlynn jenner, a new token black guy, a asian, a handicapped/disabled, a lesbian , a muslim and 2 gay guys as the main characters for the sake of inclusion when it simply doesnt fit.

[Wallow]

First of al,l everyone hates caitlyn jenner even the lgbt community cause shes a murderer, second, even if they write good characters that aren't defined by their minority status the gaming community would still complain because at the center it is still toxic, despite all claims against it.

[aConIsDemocracy]

My mother is a woman. So is my sister and niece and auntie. I only want the best for them. Whatever they choose to be. Even if they hate Napalm Death.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Missing it out, it'll sell regardless of history meddling.

[Skankinruby]

Good for them, tell the toxic gaming community to fuck themselves if they can't handle diversity.

[Inzo]

Yeah! Tell all those toxic male customers with money that even though you need their money you dont want it for the sake of diversity.

[bolimekurac]

no one wants forced diversity in their games just for the sake of appealing to schmucks begging for diversity

[Gh05t]

The irony, it's palpable.

[tsivik]

Yes!! Diversity is our strength!!!

[Bobafret]

Diversity, hmmmm diversity. I think that is an old wooden ship.

-Ron Burgundy

[Morpheuzpr]

I never undertood the whole representation bs. I'm puertorrican and I have never felt the need to be "represented" in any kind of media.

Maybe I just see myself as an individual first and not as part of a specific group.

[winter_hill]

I'll buy it, but the filth won't get any money from me. I'll buy it used.

[MrVux000]

They are still making it as if people are only mad about women in Battlefield V.... EA never changes.

[Gantrfaxx]

Ok. I won't buy the game.

[annoyedgamer]

EA makes it easy to avoid their cash grabs.

[Auron]

Yeah thats a no buy from me.
Women fighting in wars is unappealing to me.. and i hate its multiplayer. Also what "cause" Lol.
Get mad.

[Rachel_Alucard]

The ironic part is all the PoCs and females they are targeting with this decision, all I've heard from them is how wrong this is to falsely portray WW2 in this fashion. All they did was offend the very people they were pandering to. Nobody cares about representation except some loud extremists on social media. You can put PoC, women, and anything you want as long as it's where someone would expect to find them. I also find this ridiculously stupid that everyone on both sides thinks it's just some white incels in the basement. Very out of touch too especially when as a female gamer myself I don't think I ever like it when forced diversity is pushed into a medium that doesn't work. Especially, since all these PoCs and everyone are written by white males anyway, not like they can relate to the characters at all.

[Bobafret]

They are making WW2 fabulous! What could go wrong?

[Dragonscale]

No worries ea, theres plenty of quality games to choose from this holidays over your sh1te.

[1nsomniac]

For once, fair play to him/them. Sick of hearing about this stupid topic. People need to get a grip of their lives & stop acting like little kids. If you’re upset by this then you’re likely not old enough to play the game anyway.

[2ndhandcorn]

Preowned when its 20 bucks for me.

[Mandingo2020]

This has gotten way out of hand. EA is trying to rewrite our history for their SJW, PC, LGBTQWXY demographic. Hey guys guess what don't buy this filth. They want to shovel shit on a disc and hope you spend 100 dollars with DLC to play a historically inaccurate piece of filth. Go out and buy something else. Answer them with a boycott and don't buy it. Screw them.

[BondJames]

Don t worry i will not buy the game it s EA

[Psychotica]

Remember your suggestion when layoffs come..

[LgbtWarrior]

Good for the developers standing up to toxic entitled gamers.

[Gh05t]

You mean accepting "the cause" of entitled gamers right?

[Inzo]

Fine, I wont buy it.

I love it when people say these kind of things because its hilarious when the egg hits their faces. We saw and still see it with the anti Trump brigade, we saw it with the all female Ghostbuster, we saw it with Solo, we see it now again with the The Last Jedi that had a massive $50 million drop in Bluray sales, we see it with the Comic book industry and now Jawbreakers and Cyberfrog has the SJWs all up in a frenzy and I have no doubt we will see it with BF 5.

Maybe if they stop claiming historical accuracy that is then follow it up with "forget what you have learned in history class" people might move on but then again SJWs are incapable of shutting up.

Lol I can just see the stakeholders at EA clutching at the pit in their stomachs when Söderlund said this especially if it can cost them money.

[windblowsagain]

You have been told. lol

[Speak_da_Truth]

I bought and enjoyed Horizon Zero Dawn, Tomb Raider reboot, Hellblade, and more female lead games but I won't be buying your game Dice. It's not about having payable female characters.

[Gh05t]

Exactly! These people know there is no way to push past the simple fact that most the people they just told to go pound sand play games with female leads all the time. So they will name call into the dirt, ruin the impact of it and it will be their own downfall.

Keep going EA you are only hurting yourself.

[Nicknasty]

What's next, transgenders in games? So this is now the new trend? First the last of us 2 and now this. Why does everything have to be so politically correct? Its like, we have to make sure we stick a black, a woman and a muslim in here or were being racist. Really, who gives a crap! Why even make it a point? Just do it because it fits into the story. Dont do it because you think you have to appease to certain groups and wanna just make a point. That makes it fake as hell. Lame indeed!

[Yui_Suzumiya]

I'm actually interested in this Battlefield. The Last one I got was Battlefield 3 and that was like 4 years after it came out just to play the campaign. I loved the Bad Company games though!

[Tzuno]

Ha, rekt.

[KwokXi]

Well, I am a woman but I will not buy it, am I a sexist? Just kidding, I will not buy because EA, they only get my money for series that I can't do without like Sims. This feels like trick against people that refuse to buy EA games, now it's not, I hate EA or I don't want to support game with lootboxes (or "airlift"), now it's oh you are a sexist because you don't buy this game.

When sales are low they can always blame it on how sexist gamers are or whatever, that's the popular thing I see haha

[Artemidorus]

I don't see the problem, we all know the true story and this is just a game.

[terstomp]

People say its a game, which of course it is. Just as people say its just a movie and get over it. Maybe what these people don't appreciate is that games and movies are media, and media is used, by the authorities or anyone or entity that is above you, to shape public opinion and to cultivate a certain mindset. It is so very effective indeed that big money and powerful institutions, both govt and private, are involved to use this media.

[NickAwesome]

I am not buying this, i want an experience that feels authentic not fortnite in a ww2 setting, crazy customization doesn't belong to a serious and gritty world war 2 game

[Respawned]

Don't get why woman have to lead everything nowadays. Where are the male heroes?

[LgbtWarrior]

Oh shut up.

[DialgaMarine]

It’s a fair sentiment, but this almost never goes over well. Remember Ghostbusters 2016? lol

[Greyfoxdbz]

pretty arrogant statement. We all know they wouldn't be saying that if they thought there was a chance this game wouldn't sell really well regardless.

[Inzo]

Well Disney "knew" that Solo was going to gross over a $1 billion, we all know how that turned out.

[bluefox755]

"See how virtuous we are! You evil sexists are just gonna have to deal with it!"
Why do we have to bring identity politics into games? Or anywhere else for that matter.

[DasTier]

This argument has been strawman’d to shit. No one was complaining that they simply put women in the game. The major complaints stem from DICE claiming to be on the side of history, despite revising it and making WW2 look like Fortnight. It’s not about realism, it’s atmousphere.

Even if they’re in the game It’s still a bit odd to have a woman on the front cover, when 99.9999999% of combatants who fought and died were men.

It was d-day last week, yet dice would rather argue the toss about inclusivity.

[GrimReaperGamer]

Wasn't go to buy anyway, though I hope more people boycott this SJW garbage.

[Pro_TactX]

That’s exactly how they should respond. I think it’s pathetic that there was a controversy over this in the first place.

[Hungryalpaca]

My problem is the characters all look like they belong at some cosplay convention. That’s why I’m not buying it. It just looks dumb.

[TheEnigma313]

I agree if you don't like it don't buy. I'm not buying because I'm sick of BF games not names Bad Company.

[UltraAtomic]

Sounds good to me lol.
However, i am not buying it for that reason but still way to sell your game ea lol

[Zezo90]

EA is turning this into diversity issue while the real concern was the unrealistic stuff they've added to just boost micro-transactions and loot boxes

[GameHead85]

EA uses attitude eh, alright, I won't, fucking EA! As a matter of fact, I'm not buying no more titles from EA...ever again!

[Rols]

I don’t have a problem playing female characters in appropriate settings, Aloy in HZD, Ellie in TLOU but WW2 setting, its a bit ridiculous.

[Kokyu]

There going to wish they didnt say that. They underestimate the base.

[GrizToof]

I have no issue with women in video games, in fact when given the choice of gender I choose to play as a female 90 percent of the time. My issue is with these devs forcing diversity into games and jamming their agenda into our faces. Put women, black, gay etc characters into a game like you would anyone else. You don’t need to parade it around, it comes off cringey and fake when you do that. The last of us 2 trailer didn’t need to throw the lesbian thing in their like that, it shouldn’t be that big of a deal, we could have just found that out naturally when playing the game but instead you jam it into our faces to show us how damn accepting you are and it makes me feel like naughty dog has a lot of homophobes working there that are trying really hard to prove that they’re not.

[Sirk7x]

350,000 women served in armed forces during WW2 in the US ALONE. Granted, the Soviet Union was the only country that directly allowed women to serve in the front lines (Lyudmila Pavlichenko, a female sniper, had 309 confirmed kills, one of the top snipers of all time), but you can guarantee that at some point, women either sneaked onto front lines, or were put there due to dire circumstances in particular battles. There were some majorly badass women in WW2, pilots, spies, snipers, medics, etc. Acting like it's unheard of to see a woman in war though, and expecting completely accurate historical representations in a video game, most of which our recordings we have are probably not completely accurate anyways, is just pretty ignorant. There are plenty of reasons not to buy the game, like not wanting to support EA, or because BF1 sucked, but because of there being a female character? Come on.

[Inzo]

"350,000 women served in armed forces during WW2 in the US ALONE"

Most of them regretted it almost immediately when they enlisted, thousands of women went awol and thousands more purposefully got pregnant to be discharged. Like I said in previous posts the Russian didnt allow their women on the front line, they forced them on the front line as mens lives were deemed more valuable at that time but the really sick thing was that if those women tried to run from the battle they would be shot by their own right then and there. The only Russian woman of note was a sniper, I cant remember her name.

But to your point. What pisses me off is that Dice is claiming historical accuracy which clearly this isnt because first of all WW2 wasnt fought like a Fortnite game. Secondly the British didnt allow any women on the front line and clearly the woman in the trailer is British. Thirdly they didnt allow amputees back into battle no matter how tough or how much they wanted to as they were seen as a liability.

[Thomaticus]

Good. Nothing's wrong with the game (from what I can see at this time). Stand behind your work.
On another note...I wonder how much will EA charge via a Microtransaction to remove women from the game?

[fatbastard11]

I have no problem playing tomb raider or lost legacy with woman protags yet I'm considered "evil" because I don't feel like storming Omaha Beach as a woman is worth a $60 dollar price tag.

[Ninjamonkey82]

A dev can't make a dicision no more without being judged remember a time when games where made in bedrooms on meger Sinclair systems by kids with a dream. Untainted wonder if the would have bother if they saw the crap storm that the future held

[Kerplunk80]

What I don't get is this is suppose to be an alternate history right? So what if women were allowed to go into the war? What's hard to understand here?

[ShadowWolf712]

"The Cause"?

Look I agree people don't have to buy if they don't want to, but chill with the corny stuff, guys.

[traumadisaster]

When told not to buy something, I tend to perk up and start to have an issue with that attitude. I might even agree with his point but I'm less likely to research the issue with an off putting comment like that.

I value my money and where I choose to spend it, I think EA should too considering they rely on consumer choices.

[RebDomine2]

We don't need women in battlefield and it's not accurate.Feminism is suppose

[BenjaMan64]

Remember how the Chinese and the Japanese cry and moan over Dynasty/Samurai Warriors turning their history into anime-style action games, and turning women of those time periods into badasses who can take on entire armies on their own?

Oh wait, they don't.

[RDOUBLE]

I wont be buying it but I never bought a Battlefield before so there is that.

[Cartman55125]

Gamers complain about developers catering to people for years. Developer sticks to its guns, refusing to cater to people and gamers bitch. They can never win lol

[iofhua]

I'm not.

Next!

[PGRfox]

That's easy, I wasn't going to buy it anyway!

[SixFragz]

LOL! EA is getting mad!

Fortunately for them, lots of people aren't planning on buying this game anyway. They've made their mind up since they've seen the piss poor trailer for a "World War II" game.

Isn't that funny! LMFAO! Fuq EA.

Call of Dookie Wack Ops 4 is shit. Battlefeminism V is just as shit with its SJW ridden tripe. These two jokes for games will be dead on arrival. None of the "immersive" gameplay changes noted by JackFrags and AngryJoe appeared to much affect in the gameplay we've seen at E3. It sounded great on paper, but just as I suspected, does not make such a noticeable difference in-game.

I'll gladly continue playing the only popular, worthwhile FPS with longevity in the market right now:

Rainbow Six Siege.

[OnDec76]

Ok . It's so easy not to buy a EA game, NEXT!

[GamingInFrames]

Lol... Sounds like Last Jedi Director Rian Johnson.

[mochachino]

Good for EA. I don't see why anyone would be angry about having women in a game. And all the lack of realism arguments are hypocritical BS. The same people saying it destroys the realism praised the series for being able to jump out of a flying jet, snipe another pilot mid-air, then jump back in and other crazy and other similarly interesting sandbox events like that. When was BF ever designed for anything other than fun. The only realistic part is that it sounds and makes you feel like you're on a real battlefield, but a fictional one where absolutely anything can happen.

Most of the critics are probably internet cowards too. Go to anywhere but the internet and talk about how something sucks because it includes women and see how much backlash that gets you. But I guess there are a lot of bigots in America (and everywhere else).

[ZombieKiller]

Probably wont buy this game anyway but for other reasons. I have no problem with women being in games though, what a stupid argument. It's a game. Everyone should be allowed to enjoy it regardless of gender. This more than a good reason to use the excuse that "it's a game."

[StormSailor]

it seems that EA got what it wanted, there are a lot of people supporting it and defending now

Congratulations on the marketing DICE / EA, from demons have become the heroes of the retarded

[LEVONZZZ]

Not buying

[subtenko]

Stop saying its just about women like people mind female characters because everybody doesnt mind that (look at past games)

[Davidgr2]

Don’t see what’s the big deal with playing as a female character. It’s like not wanting to play Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Last of us 2 , or Gears of War 5 ‘cause u have to play with a female character.

[FernDiggidy]

C'mon fellas. Don't boycott this game because it has females....BOYCOTT IT BECAUSE IT'S EA. F#$k them and their MTs.

[FITSniper]

OK. Won't buy it.

[47]

They still don’t get it. Either way, don’t worry, you don’t have to tell people twice to not buy EAs garbage. This will be two back to back failures for DICE. Not good.

[harbie]

Exactly, not buying lots of games these days because they randomly insert females here for no real story reason. I don't support brainwashing- it ignores reality.

[fluxmulder]

What a condescending response to their consumers. Cancelling my preorder, not getting this until it hits the bargain bin.

[RomanPSX]

Day one for me, I cant care less about woman in the game. And russians had woman in the Army and the best russian sniper was a woman.

[Tross]

I never understood this either. If they alter real historical battles to include women then it makes sense that there would be controversy. For a game based around blasting each other in online multiplayer this is a non-issue. I won't be getting the game, but that's due to my disdain for MTs.

[Tankbusta40]

They just called people "uneducated" who don't like their decisions... Yeah the worked well for Hillary Clinton. Let's be real EA and DICE... You had the opportunity to put real life Russian female heroes into the game and you chose to going to dude bro route and invent them. Who is uneducated here? We get that you're Swedish and probably shit your pants every day about a Russian invasion of the Nordic countries... But if you truly want inclusion and education... Then put the game on the Eastern front and tell the tales of the Russian female heroes. Don't invent your own.

Anyone who wants to say it's just a game and they don't want history or such... Then don't put the game in WW2... Don't use accurate weapons or vehicles either.

[quenomamen]

Eat it EA, gamers dont have a problem with women in games, women characters have been in games since Metroid on the NES. Its tge wackiness and lame ass Fortnite rejects way that DICE is portraying not just the women but all the characters in BFV that feels plain disrespectfull to a whole generation of brave people.
They had no problem doing BF1 in a more serious tone for the hell that was WW1 yet they could not do the same for WW2 ? And all you have to do is go look at one of the Dev’s tweets to get an understanding of why they choose to take the whacky route for BFV.

“ My 13yr old daughter plays Fortnite and asked me what the big deal is, she can play as a girl in Fortnite”

A real father would turned off the Fortnite and sat down with her on the computer and showed her how WW2 was hellish and why we need to treat the memory of those who served with just a tiny bit of respect and not turn it into an effin Fortnite reject with wacky characters wearing blue facepaint, carrying ninja swords and wearing prosthetic arms. But I guess that woukd have required too much effort on his behalf so instead let’s Re-write history to make it more kid freindly.

[DJ_Professor_K]

I understand why they feel that way .....at the same time who’s to say a woman never fought in the war as a pedestrian maybe if they gave her a cooking apron they will feel better about it lol And a frying pan melee attack that would actually be funny

[cell989]

Bottom line, I’m buying it

[deno]

I'm not purchasing it either.

[Protagonist]

Thank you Patrick Söderlund. Thank you for being a voice of reason in a forum of what has become a cesspool of alt-right rally attendees. I hope these guys altogether just stop playing games!

[Strange99]

I could care less what sex I play in a video game. If they want to make an awesome game with a bi-racial tranny as the main character then I'll rock it. Hell, if they make a game with a main character who has 8 dongs and 1 on his forhead and only speaks backwards I think I would be more inclined to play it. That being said... someone from EA making smart ass comments about not buying their game just helps me ignore that tiny inkling of wanting to buy their game. You know that sign at the zoo that says don't feed the bears? Well, don't. One day they might be big enough to escape and eat you.

[smolinsk]

I just dont get the point of putting the women in like it was normal on the frontline, it was not, chances was like zero to see a women on the front line, what is ea up to? is it only because of the metoo stuff, i think it is, ohh my what i silly way to celebrate women. doesn't make any sense..

[OG_TK_Cole]

I had a hands on experience with Battlefield V at E3 2018 and I enjoyed the experience. I dont care what anyone on this website says about the game, when and if I buy the game, it will be because of what im looking for in said game. Like I said what I played at E3 2018 I enjoyed.

[DVAcme]

Glad they're sticking to their guns (no pun intended). The backlash over this is beyond petty and chauvinistic. We don't need people within the game's community with such a repugnant attitude.

[ajax17]

I'll pass, thanks.

[CodeNameTBW2]

l gamers you need to speak with your wallets, and do not buy this game. Get the boycott ready time to send a message!

[GrmpyolGamer]

Won't be buying it then. Not because of the female lead, they could have flying monkeys in the game for all I care. But that response to potential customers is pretty ordinary. Be interesting to see if Shareholders have the same sentiment

[icerob]

We don't like liberal communist social justice feminism bullshit. Just make a normal conservative game featuring men taking care of business.. then make another stinky liberal Hillary Clinton loving version.. then maybe add multiplay between the two.

[No Way]

Not a big deal..

[Psychosious]

Umm wasn’t gonna get it anyway. Fu#$ EA... nice way to talk to your potential customers, making veiled ultimatums... lol. Shoot yourselves in the foot again. Hope they lose the Star Wars name from Disney, and the nfl takes their logo away.

[CoDsuperstar]

Sounds good to me! i won't buy your game. you lose.

[DefaultComment]

The last EA game I had it's mirror's edge, the original. Sooooo I dont care about EA, but I will give them props to shut all those whiners in the Internet.

[Gh05t]

Yeah this sure showed them... Lol this didn't do anything.

[DefaultComment]

Says who? You?

[Gh05t]

Says this entire comment section, I know it's hard to think objectively but let's ask the question shall we.
Did this comment "shut all those whiners in [sic] the internet"?

Based on the comments on this article in the internet I would say this did not "shut those whiners"

So no not says me, the proof is right in front of you.

[Istolla]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Nicknasty]

I think I wanna just backlash! Lash it lol

[totallysane]

so first people complain that there are no women/main character is never a woman. then when it is, people flip out! and they never said these games were historically accurate, they are just going for close to realism. in other words if you don't like it don't fucking play/buy it. It's like saying I'm never going to play MGS because it's not historically accurate.

[Internal]

If you don’t buy this game because of how accurate it is that women did serve in World War II you’re the biggest piece of sh**.

[Gwiz]

Agendas never bother giving you a choice,and when they do it's... wait what is that there in the Sky? is it a plane?
Is it a bird? *whack* lootbox... lol You tried Hawai.. you tried.