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No, Sony Never Said that PS5 Is Three Years Away

Several outlets reported that Sony said that PS5 is at least three years away, but the house of PlayStation never actually made that point.

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Thatguy-3102153d ago

PS5 will come 2020. Sony will still support ps4 when it releases.

Abriael2153d ago

Indeed. That's pretty obvious for me, but apparently not for others.

darthv722153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

Games support for the PS4 will go till 2021 while technical and warranty support will continue for a few years after that. Meanwhile, the PS5 will come in 2020 and by 2021 will have all of "Sony's" software focus shifted to it. So Sony will be supporting both PS4 and PS5 with games simultaneously for at least a year. Like they have done with PS1-PS2, PS2-PS3 and PS3-PS4.

People hear the phrase "3 more years" and think that means PS4 is dead in 2021 and PS5 takes its place but they never think of the overlap that Sony always has when releasing platforms.

xX-oldboy-Xx2153d ago

Will the upgrade be pretty obvious? They've got a good roadmap of games ahead. 2021 would suit me fine.

Why the rush?

Saigon2153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

@darthv72

I think you hit the nail on the head. I assume most forget about the overlap that Sony provides during a generation shift but it is there. Actually, their transition from current generation to the next generation is always smooth. With that, I feel the release of the next PS will depend on the cost of the chipset conjunction they use when that time comes. Depending on what they decide to do, meaning what chipset conjunction they plan to use, will depend on the release of the system. Of course, there are other factors involved as well such the availability of the next GDRR RAM. That's my opinion and I also assume sometime in 2020.

UltraNova2153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

November 2020 is the safest bet. So they have to lock down the specs by mid-late 2019 and start sending dev kits( if not sooner).

So whatever is available (cpu/gpu/memory) by mid-late 2019 will likely be selected for the ps5(+some custom work contracted by Sony).

So in a nutshell we are looking at a v1.xx Ryzen cpu or Ryzen +, Vega 64(?) Gpu, and perhaps 16GB HBM v2.0 or GDDR5X(dont thing GDDR6, will be a viable option until the console goes to production somewhere in early-mid-2020 since Nvidia is hoarding most of it). A 4K Blu-ray drive is a given and all the other usual bells and whistles.

All in all, I'm expecting 10-12Terraflops total output. That would be enough power to give us native 4k @ 60fps at medium to high Quality settings and have enough overhead for better(than the current deal) physics, AI and perhaps ray tracing (AMD's solution).

G3ng4r2153d ago

Ps5 seems more likely to release in 2019 all the time. Ps4 will be supported until 2021, but not as much by sony who will have shifted attention and several projects to ps5. Atlus and CoD ports for sure. Expecting 8-10 tflops and a heavy emphasis on vr since sony is sure that is the future of gaming. Doubtful we'll see a generational leap over xb1x which is fine, only need enough power to get 4k running smoothly since that's a primary target now for sony and microsoft. Anyone hoping for ray tracing is delusional.

ShadowWolf7122152d ago

I'd prefer 2021 just for the sake of tech, but... eh.

3-4-52152d ago

same. I've been saying 2020 for probably 2 years now,as have other people.It just makes the most sense.

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Christopher2152d ago

2021 IMHO might be better.

Xbox already has a year or two over Sony as far as tech. Microsoft is also less likely to put out a new console sooner. Sony could prevent a situation where Xbox comes out a year later with better hardware by pushing it a year later and preventing the potential for Microsoft having a better base throughout the next generation.

I think it's obvious that next generation is going to be the biggest battle between Xbox and PlayStation that we've ever seen.

G3ng4r2152d ago (Edited 2152d ago )

Microsoft bringing out 1x the following year didn't seem to hurt ps4pro at all. On the contrary both ps2 and 360 did quite well hitting the market first. Sony would be best off releasing around november 2019 to fit another holiday between them and the next xbox, whatever form it takes. All they need to do is start moving their current player base to next gen and give them games to hold what they have. The reason most want ps5 2021 or later is because they're pitifully attached to their ps4's even though sony swears to continue ps4 support for a few years (or until competition forces them to focus on one system again).
Agree that next gen could be a great console war though if microsoft releases another system and doesn't make xbox a pc service or something.

xX-oldboy-Xx2152d ago

Christopher + G3ng4r - just a heads up - SONY isn't fussed what MS does. The PS4 will be the best selling console for the next 2 years minimum. Why would they stifle those sales?

The difference in tech will be negligible if they released in 2019, 2020 is a stretch though.

My money is on 2021, so leap from PS4 to PA5 can actually be seen. Not through technical jargon, but real world - 1st hand experiences.

Aenea2152d ago

Nothing is preventing MS of waiting to see what Sony does no matter the release year...

G3ng4r2152d ago

@xX-oldboy-Xx "SONY isn't fussed what MS does."
Perhaps not currently, though you can be sure they're curious to see what happens next gen which is the topic we're on. Sony is in fact worried about competiton, particularly to the one successful division of their business. That's why they revamped their online to be on par with xbox live, why they stated they're paying attention to nintendo, why the imitate others with things like the move controller, etc. They whole reason playstation as it is exists is because they were butthurt that nintendo unexpectedly dumped them.
"Why would they stifle those sales?"
To announce that ps4 is coming to an end because they're launching ps5 within the next nineteen months if not late next year.
But I'm sure you're wise enough to know all of this seeing as you have an aol instant messenger handle from 1998.

Christopher2152d ago

***Christopher + G3ng4r - just a heads up - SONY isn't fussed what MS does.***

For next generation, they absolutely are.

***The difference in tech will be negligible if they released in 2019, 2020 is a stretch though. ***

Xbox One X says otherwise.

Christopher2152d ago

***Nothing is preventing MS of waiting to see what Sony does no matter the release year...***

Profit margins are. They have less freedom to kick off and control the next generation due to their position this generation. They need a new CPU upgrade to go any further as well, which is really the only thing holding back both machines as GPU and RAM are easier to update without having to roll out mass updates on every game.

ziggurcat2152d ago

At the very least, I think it will be 2020. Ideally, I think they should wait until 2021.

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jhoward5852153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

2020 sounds like a good year to release the PS5 but Sony could hold off a little bit longer if the PS4 continues to sale well.

darthv722153d ago

Sales do not dictate when they release. It never has. PS1 was still selling well when they released the PS2. Same when PS2 was selling well when they released PS3 and so on.

Eidolon2153d ago

Even PS3 was selling well when PS4 Released, and they released games for it years after.

Italiano12345672153d ago

Exactly ps2 still sold a shit ton after ps3 was released

The 10th Rider2153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

Yeah, Sony's comments don't rule out a 2019 or 2020 release IMO. I'm sure the PS4 will continue to get games for three more years either way. Any game that isn't CPU reliant should be able to run the same games as next gen . . . just with toned down graphics and resolution. Plus the Switch will still be out and doing well, with no replacement until 2022 or 2023. I know there's not going to be many when PS5/Xbox 2 hit, but I imagine any third party game that gets released for Switch will also see a release on PS4/Xbox One.

starchild2152d ago (Edited 2152d ago )

True, it's always been like that. I don't know why some people act like Sony has to wait until PS4 sales slow way down for them to release the PS5.

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patterson2153d ago

October 10, 2020 (10/10/2020)

CaptainOmega2153d ago

So many Xbox frauds on youtube claiming this information is a 'W' for Xbox. lol

darthv722153d ago

I don't see how. All it means is now we have a clear roadmap for when to expect the transition period. We knew it was eventually coming but now it seems more guaranteed.

CaptainOmega2153d ago

No... Meaning they think Sony said PS5 isn't coming till 2021... which wasn't what anyone said.

bluefox7552153d ago

I don't see how anyone could interpret this news as a win for Xbox lol.

Sunny_D2153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

Yeah, it's like a marathon winner going home after crossing the finish line and the sun's going down while the competitor is still running far behind them. Lol.

paintedgamer19842153d ago

Lol like the dealer one... these pro xbox podcasts are so desperate for a win they will literally take anything and run with it. "Sony not releasing the ps5 until 2021 = ms will win next gen". What in the actual...

bigmalky2153d ago

Even saying that, the players that Microsoft lost are likely to be wary of jumping back, even if they do release a system earlier.

As long as Sony keep supplying great games until PS5 releases, and MS sit on their haunches, nothing will change.

DialgaMarine2153d ago

Because even after PS4/ Pro have managed to sell more 3 times as many units as XboneS/ X, as well as deliver far higher quality games, they still believe that having the option to have slightly better performance on multiplats on the higher end model somehow equates to a default victory. Apparantly spending $500 for an X to play 360 titles, and the occasional subpar GaaS game, is the far better option (in their minds).

Oh well, if the numbers and facts aren’t even enough to prove just how irrelevant their plastic box has become, there’s no helping them.

Also love how MS is trying to abandon Xbone S by lying and saying all games play better on Xbone (they conviently leave out specifying X). Hell, not even their in house titles play better on X; they play better on PC lol

paintedgamer19842153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

Its funny because from 2006-2009 n4g was a much different place. It was all doom and gloom sony and the 360 was the darling child despite the rrod +33% failure rate. So in part i really do commend most of these diehard xbox fanboys for standing by their box because i too had to sit by and take my L during the infancy of the ps3. But never did i make some of these outlandish comments that has plagued the 8th gen. Theres just so much bullshit being said and really the xbox fanboys are just mimmicking phillip spencer. I really blame the higher ups at ms. They were the 1s that said...

Dx12 will make the xb1 this more pwrfl
The power of the cloud
1st partys dont matter
Single player games dont matter
So on and so on...

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OffRoadKing2153d ago

That's pretty sad if that's true.

Razzer2153d ago

Xbox fanboys will take a "W" however they can get it.

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XiNatsuDragnel2153d ago

I say 2019-2020 would be optimized

porkChop2153d ago

2019 would be too soon, hardware-wise. 2020 would be fine though.

MrSec842153d ago (Edited 2153d ago )

7nm tapered out at the beginning of this year at TSMC, it's what will be used for basically all future silicon from the major hardware vendors for the foreseeable future.

Fabricators are ready to begin mass production by the end of this year, meaning that the process will be mature enough for Sony to put out the next PlayStation next year.

AMD has a GPU, equivalent to the GTX 1080/ti coming out early 2019, which will retail for $250, CPU tech already exists for a next gen console.
Samsung started mass production of GDDR6 chips earlier this year.

The tech required basically falls in line for 2019, cost wise, performance wise it makes no sense to wait as neither will improve by 2020.
Sony have also conveniently omitted sales projections for the 2019 to 2020 fiscal year from their recent investor relations event.

2019 is the most likely timeframe PS5 will launch.

porkChop2153d ago

You're talking about first gen 7nm chips, which will just be a refresh focused on heat and energy savings. That's not enough. Any time hardware moves to a smaller die, the first gen is always focused on energy savings and heat. The following year will focus on pushing that die for increased performance, which would be for 2020.

Look, I have a 1080Ti, and mine is liquid-cooled and overclocked. I also have a Ryzen 5 1600x, liquid-cooled and overclocked. I've got 16GB of DDR4 at 3200MHz. It's not enough for current gen games at 4K. I'd have to turn all the settings down to get a smooth and playable framerate. Even with console optimization levels, it wouldn't be enough to run *next gen* games in 4K. You're not accounting for the jump in graphic, AI, and physics tech that comes with each new generation. Nobody wants next gen to just be PS4-level games in 4K, it needs to be better than that.

If Sony and Microsoft are shooting for $400 consoles, which is very likely, then 2020 is the earliest they could pull off a proper next gen console. That's why they released the mid-gen upgrades to satisfy the 4K needs a little bit until the right hardware is available.

MrSec842153d ago

First gen is now, next year the process will have had months of optimizations, it'll be ready for consumer parts.
Current gen games are based on slower CPUs, older architectures for GPUs and next gen consoles will presumably use larger and faster unified pools of memory, along with newer compression features for data management, all of this will allow next gen games to run more optimally at higher resolutions, but who said native 4K or the highest settings would be the target?
They may be, but it's not a given.
Still a quad core ryzen 1, with 8 threads is a good 3-4X faster than current PS4s CPU, at around 3GHz according to DF tests, 8 Core 16 Thread newer gen is 2X that and newer gen Ryzen faster still, even with custom tweaks.
Even a 10TFlop Navi GPU would likely perform over 8X PS4s GPU in real world scenarios, anything more than that from AMD would be gravy and that's not taking into account custom Sony/AMD mods for the console.

You're not getting cost gains or anything waiting past 2019, not for a current console, with a fixed sized case for their chosen tdp.
Costs and performance per watt won't be improved for a few years and AMD is a given so there's really no argument here.
Sony have never waited as long as people are claiming here, even given PS4's late arrival, Europe only waited 6.5 years after PS3's launch and that was an anomaly, caused by the economy issues, Sony's poor finances and the shift to a different CPU type and overall hardware vendor changes, none of those are issues now.

There's no evidence Sony will delay, Microsoft will likely do the same too, it's all a matter of when the tech is available, which is in 2019.

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MrSec842152d ago (Edited 2152d ago )

@ImGumby: Clearly you don't understand the economics of processing hardware or how 7nm will work for AMD.
Sony won't be paying $250 for the GPU, actually cost of the actual processing chip is about 1/3rd of that, same is true of that CPU and Navi will be a far more modular component, meaning it's easily scalable.

Retail prices include a substantial profit margin for both the part producer and retailer, they're not representative of what console makers pay.

Sony buy at scale, adding substantial discounts to their per unit cost.
The GPU in question would cost them under $90, leaving $50 for the CPU component.
We currently have a 4 Core, 8 Thread Ryzen 1 for under $150, 7nm will increase density and easily allow for 8 Cores, with 16 Threads enabled for similar cost.

As I said Navi is a modular part, AMD also has infinity fabric, making for scalable APUs being easy to make and specific tape outs of a whole SoC a thing of the past.
Fabs will be mass producing parts that will be used in various different devices and not on a per part basis.

Basically it'll be a bolt together situation for AMD parts, just at a millimetre scale, at the fab, they'll be issued an order to make X number of Ryzen Modules, X number of Navi CUs, combine with Infinity Fabric and that equals PS5 or XBox Next's SoC, tape would have already happened and a customer specific one will not be needed.

AMD will be ready for this and to start production with fabs by late 2018 for their own APUs using Navi, early 2019 they'll be easily ready for PS5, etc.

DeadlyFire2152d ago

HBM 3 is also going to be mass production by the beginning of 2020. It's lighter and cheaper than hbm2. Also a bit faster.

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Shiken2153d ago

2020 earliest, 2021 latest.

Anything ealier would be a spit in the face to ps4 pro gamers.

KwietStorm_BLM2153d ago

It is a general unwritten rule that you have no business getting in your feelings about an upgrade releasing, just because you made the conscious decision to buy-in early. Something about the design of their next offering will change or advance by the time I'm done typing this. That's how fast it moves. Nobody is being spat on. You control what you buy, and it should be obvious the next big thing is coming anyway.

paintedgamer19842153d ago

2020 is 7 long years since the ps4 originally released... 7 years at the latest. 2021 is 8 freaking years. The ps3 gen was the only 1 to go 7 years and that was mainly because of the recession... all the ps4pro and xb1x do was prolong the gen by a year... if there was no mid gen refresh the ps5 would be shown this year or next and launch next year indeffinately

Shiken2153d ago

The thing you two need to remember is that the Pro and X were advertised to EXTEND the PS4 and X1's lifecycle. Charging a premium for a year long extension, as you suggest, would be anti consumer and pose a bad image for the brand. Many would see it as false advertising or at the very least deceptive advertising.

We have dynamic 4K now, so there is not really a good jump to make at an affordable price to justify a whole new generation. We will not see that tech come down in price until at least 2020. Remember, just going Native 4k will feel like another incremental upgrade rather than a new gen, we need more due to the Pro and the X.

You say to keep emotions in check, but then try to say that we need new consoles and you do not want to wait any longer. If your own emotions were in check, you would think about what is affordably possible rather than what you HOPE to happen.

Most consumers want a generational leap, not another small upgrade similar to the Pro vs base PS4. That takes time.

narsaku2153d ago

Doesn't really matter much it's likely mid-late 2020 anyways. If it was going to be 2021 it would likely have been early in the year.

OB1Biker2153d ago

It doesn't really matter much but it's good to remind people that the press come up with lots of Bs and they should question what they are told.

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XDefiant misses launch window, Ubi says a new release date will be announced after stress test

XDefiant was originally supposed to be out in summer 2023, but following a seemingly-successful beta test in April of that year, it was bumped to October 2023, and then delayed again to an unspecified future date. In its February 2024 financial report, Ubisoft slated XDefiant for launch in the fourth quarter of its 2023-24 fiscal year, which ended March 31.

A week before that date arrived, rumors surfaced that the game would be delayed yet again, and a few days later Ubisoft made it official.

"The game has always been community-first, with player feedback as a top priority," the development team said in the update. "While we hoped to go live by the end of March, there are still some improvements that we need to test before that."

Ubisoft said it's "finishing preparations" for a server stress test that will run for 12 hours on PC, PlayStation 5, and Xbox Series X|S. "After this short test, we expected to be able to lock a launch date and start sharing more about exciting content XDefiant has to offer in the future!"

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just_looken14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

The previous news was from the team/rumors this is ubisoft themselves now saying the game is delayed again no new date set but they will have a stress test on a date that has not been set.

So the game is delayed to _____ TBD
Network stress test at ____ TBD

Ubisoft we make games whenever for whoever we just do not care

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X-2313d ago

I'm just going to be honest here and say what people seem to not want to, XDefiant success is going to be short-lived and it's because it's a game that's going to be under Ubisoft's umbrella. The development team can be absolute rockstars, but with Ubisoft steering the ship it's not going to go anywhere.

Profchaos13d ago

It could be a truely amazing game (it won't be) but with Ubisoft it will be monitized within a inch of its life.

smolinsk13d ago

The game is dead move on. It's the same with the Finals. These short period hype games doesn't last.

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New Xbox Devkit Certified In Korea, Could Be Next-Gen Console: Rumor

A new rumor suggests the next Xbox console is currently being tested by developers in South Korea.

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Obscure_Observer28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If true, hopefully a fully fledged next gen console and not some unnecessary mid gen refresh system.

It could be that rumored Xbox portable, who knows

porkChop28d ago

Next gen would make sense. They said they'd talk about new hardware at the end of this year, and Xbox usually starts talking about next gen systems 2 years before they release. Late 2026 would make sense for next gen. Though it also seems a bit early for next gen dev kits to be going out.

Lightning7728d ago

Next gen wouldn't make any sense right now. They still have 1st party to release in the next few years. If they announce their next console at the end of the year that would do them harm more harm for their console. The console barely sells as is anyway. People would just wait off until the NEXT console. That's right, they'll have you playing the waiting game again.

fr0sty28d ago (Edited 28d ago )

If it does have anything to do with NextGen, Sony could have forced their hand by making the ps5 pro so powerful, with it said to be at over 33 teraflops and up to 4x the ray tracing performance, along with AI-powered upscaling that works on all games without patches required, according to Moore's Law is Dead, who is a very reliable source (and he also leaked photos of the internal documents confirming this).

What doesn't make sense is South Korea, why only there?

S2Killinit28d ago

MS is talking next gen because they already released 2 different SKUs, they cannot release a 3rd SKU because the cost of optimizing every game for 3 different consoles would be prohibitively high. MS essentially will abandon current gen xbox owners because otherwise they dont have any way to respond to PS5 PRO.

MS plans really backfired on them this gen.

StormSnooper27d ago

Next gen this early? People just bought their consoles. What about people with the current gen consoles? Will MS support the series S? Or just abandon them?

porkChop27d ago

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What do you mean "this early"? They're just talking about the hardware at the end of the year, not releasing it. It wouldn't come out until holiday 2026. Personally I'd prefer waiting until holiday 2027 as we've barely had any games that really take advantage of the current consoles. But 6 years is pretty standard for a generation.

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Profchaos28d ago

That's the million dollar question Microsoft seem to indicate they want to start the next generation off early while PS is seemingly going for a refresh and next gen system in 2028.

However if they start the generation off say next year while only having the xsx on the market for 5 years consumers will start to question the lack of dedication to the systems.

A 5 year console cycle hasn't been relevant since the PS1 era and we've barely seen any convincing software that really shows the need for the current generation as is.

I feel like they need to wait until 2028 at least abs take PS on head on again

andy8528d ago

What would a fully fledged next gen console be though. The power creep is only high enough in 2024 to make a 'pro' type increase unless they make it super expensive. And given not as many are interested in the full powered Series X as it is. Who's buying it?

porkChop27d ago

It wouldn't be releasing in 2024. This is just a dev kit, they're always different from the final hardware.

andy8527d ago

Yeah but the thing would be being designed now is my point

porkChop27d ago

Designed now, yes, but the final hardware isn't available now. They'd have a general idea of what they're targeting but they'd still be working with AMD to build custom chips using upcoming architecture, not currently available chips. This is how every generation works.

S2Killinit28d ago

MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing.

Obscure_Observer27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

"MS already abandoning the generation. That is how bad they are doing."

The only one "abandoning" the generation is Sony which barely scratched the surface with the PS5. So far there´s not a single first party game that pushed the hardware closer to its limits with true next gen games.

All its have to show from first party so far, is remakes, remasters, re-releases and cross-generation games.

The worst part of it all is that apparently, even the PS5 Pro will be released without a single first party game to show why that thing is needed in the first place.

That´s why I´m happy Xbox ditched the idea of another mid gen refresh Xbox, and will continue to focus on both SX and SS for the foreseeable future.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Hah that is a hilarious response.

Look at MS leaving the generation halfway in the middle. At least in prior generations they would just give up, now they are abandoning their consumers too! like “sorry you bought what we sold you, but we gotta move on now, byyyeee”

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smashman9827d ago

While I can understand the annoyance with a mid gen refresh considering the severe lack of first party support on this console gen I'd argue it's very necessary considering most games still don't hit native 4k 60 on console.

Obscure_Observer27d ago

The PS5 Pro won´t achieve native 4k 60fps for most games either!

That´s why it´s pointless.

attilayavuzer27d ago

Same CPU in Pro, so the expectation is that it'll just be a res boost unfortunately.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

According to Obscure, a mid-upgrade is “unnecessary” but a whole new generation is just dandy. My question is, why is that? I mean at least with a mid-gen upgrade gamers aren’t being left behind. If its too early for a mid-gen, then why is it not too early for a new gen? lol sorry I have to laugh.

Markusb3327d ago

another console for no one to buy, the series is tracking lower than the xbox one, buy your games and support them

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@Obscure
Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?

porkChop27d ago

A mid gen console releasing this year using the same CPU, vs a next gen console with all new hardware launching more than two years from now. Mid gen is pointless because without a significant CPU upgrade games will still struggle with performance. A CPU overclock isn't remotely enough.

The biggest obstacle regarding performance this gen is the CPU, this is what causes so many games to have hitching, stuttering, sudden fps drops, 30fps, etc. A faster GPU cannot alleviate these issues, games won't just magically be 4K60fps with raytracing. That's not how it works.

Each frame has to be processed by the CPU before being handed off to the GPU. So a game can ultimately only perform as fast as the CPU can feed the GPU. This is why consoles focusing so heavily on GPU power is a problem, after the first couple years when you start really pushing the GPU the CPU becomes a bottleneck. We need more balanced consoles next gen.

FGHFGHFGH27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@porkchop
fps, raytracing, etc is all gpu stuff. So when they do gpu tests, they use the exact system but use different gpus, the results are huge if you look at the top vs bottom. CPU will give you a higher ceiling but all graphics stuff is gpu work. FPS is gpu.(you plug gfx card into monitor)
"All games and cards are tested with the drivers listed above—no performance results were recycled between test systems. Only this exact system with exactly the same configuration is used for all results in this review."
Thats from rtx470 super ex review, rx5700xt does 44% compared to rtx470super ex 100% at 2560x1440 resolution. For games gpu is the best upgrade.
https://www.techpowerup.com...

Obscure_Observer27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

@S2Killinit

"Sooo a mid-gen upgrade is too early and “unnecessary”, but a whole new gen that leaves gamers behind is good?"

Have you paid attention to what I´d actually said?

I said that I rather MS to stick with the SX and SS for the foreseeable future!

And what you mean by "leaving gamers behind"?

It´s been 4 years and so far the PS5 don´t have a single true next gen first party game which pushes the console to its limits and, yet, Sony already have a pointless mid gen refresh console ready to launch which according to DF themselves it´s nothing but a disappointment as far CPU performance is concerned.

So why in the hell would I want MS to follow the same route?!

I rather have a full next gen Xbox console released by 2026-2027 rather than a worthless Xbox Series XX to be released this year.

StormSnooper27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

A new generation this early?? How is that a good thing??.. at least give us an upgrade. Some people barely bought their current gen consoles….

romulus2327d ago

Series x only came out 3 years and four months ago, talking about a "fully fledged next gen console" is just as unnecessary right now. Better hope not, an xbox portable would fail miserably.

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S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

Yeah its wayyy too early for a next gen. People were even saying its too early for a mid-gen upgrade, let alone a new generation. And what happens to all the current xbox gamers? Leave them behind?

crazyCoconuts27d ago

And would they sell enough to justify the cost

Concertoine27d ago

At one time MS said that the one x/ps4 pro model would be the standard going forward. If theyre testing something new, its safe to say its a mid-gen upgrade. They’ll probably have another “Series-letter” name too. Callin it

Lightning7728d ago (Edited 28d ago )

Could be the refresh console perhaps? I doubt it'll be the new console. Might be the portable rumored device.

Regardless the fact we're talking about new hardware already is absolutely pathetic. Barely any current gen stuff out and the stuff that is out or coming is at 30 fps or doesn't, doesn't look current gen and what have you.

All we're doing is chasing power and not creating the games to harness said power.

Worse generation so far easily.

DarXyde28d ago

I have a hypothesis about the rush to move to next gen:

They want to really bake in AI integration in some way. How exactly? No idea, but perhaps new hardware would expedite a lot of development and reduce needed labour. Something they can't do with current hardware, perhaps.

I don't really know, but I reckon we'll get a good sense of it once we learn about the actual features of a new Xbox/Playstation.

blackblades28d ago

Above you said it makes no sense but these days a lot of things make no sense to some people. Ps portal, mid gen refresh doesnt make any sense either to some. Another thing is the switch came out earlier because the wiiu flopped. Sense xbox aint doing so well dont it make sense to start fresh on the next system and get the jump like the 360. Overall we don't know nothing.

DarXyde28d ago

The reason it would be unusual is because releasing in, say, the next two years would really restrict the technology it could implement. For example, they'd maybe get Zen 4 with FSR3 instead of waiting a bit. Moreover, if they intend to live up to the claims of it having the most significant leap, they can certainly do that, but the price is likely to be harder to stomach.

Frankly, I wouldn't recommend getting the jump on the competition too early. Xbox 360 was a phenomenal console in its early years, but it was also God awful because it was absolute garbage quality.

Releasing too early relative to competition is a dangerous bet, especially for a company like Microsoft given their history.

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

It WOULD help xbox’s image not to release next to PlayStation day and date. That way numbers can be played with. (i.e. “we are best selling console”)

S2Killinit27d ago (Edited 27d ago )

The only thing that makes me think this crazy news might be true is that MS already released two SKUs. If rumors are true that we will be getting a second SKU PlayStation (PS5PRO), then i dont think MS can release a third SKU as costs would be prohibitive for developing games for 3 separate SKUs that are so far apart in performance.

Solution: next gen xbox to leave some consoles out in those instances where developer can’t justify the cost.

This is bad news for xbox gamers indeed.

dumahim27d ago

"Could be the refresh console perhaps?"

The Series X one, yeah. That was my thought, but why would it need a dev kit? They're changing something. Maybe it's just some minor bump like the One S last gen.

niiopi27d ago

Lightning77 and Obscure_Observer are the same people LOL.

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Extermin8or3_28d ago

It was reliably leaked just a month ago that MS hadn't signed contracts for next gen till literally weeks ago- the same leakers that correctly leaked that hi fi rush and pentiment and sea of thieves were going to ps5. So this is very very very unlikely- if not impossible. Also it's way too early....

jwillj2k428d ago

Tell us oh great timeline masta… what speed should a shady trillion dollar company move at to compete with their “non rival” rival?

Hofstaderman28d ago

New wi-fi standard certification?

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Jin_Sakai48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

It’s just a guessing game until Nintendo officially reveals the console. Better to keep expectations low.

--Onilink--48d ago

More than anything, unless Nvidia is really doing some crazy magic, I would say keep expectations in check regarding what can be achieved with DLSS.

Its still amazing that it will have it, specially coming off so many Switch games with reaaally low resolutions and no AA, it can definitely provide an advantage.

But DLSS still has a render budget cost to implement, its not free fps, and like all super samplers, its worst quality is when starting from really low base resolutions.

Same with DLSS 3, even if it were technically possible from a hardware standpoint, its not really meant to be used with base 30fps

FinalFantasyFanatic47d ago

This, I got so sick and tired of the Nintendo Pro spec/release date rumours, now I'll probably get it all over again with the Switch successor (except the Switch 2 actually exists and will come out).

contra15748d ago

Let’s all say a prayer for backwards compatibility

Popsicle48d ago

Better be a huge prayer. This is Nintendo we are discussing.

SonOfOsiris46d ago

Lol yeah, DS played gameboy games, 3DS played DS/Lite/i games, Wii played GameCube games, WiiU played Wii games and accessories, yeah a huge prayer is needed hahaha

Firebird36048d ago

No bc is a no buy for me. I'm done supporting the practice of our game libraries not moving forward with us.
Pc has done this for years and years. Consoles can to, there no excuse.

darthv7248d ago

My only expectation would be it can play existing switch carts and digital games. Like 3DS did with DS

CrimsonWing6948d ago

I think with the way things are shifting to more a PC mentality, having access to your digital library is not only necessary, it’s mandatory.

Unless Nintendo is stuck in the past, which we’ve seen they have been, I can’t imagine them closing off the Switch eshop like it’s a WiiU eshop. I’d hope they’d be like Sony and Xbox moving forward and their digital marketplace.

jznrpg48d ago

Digital library I don’t care I want my physical games to work on the new Switch

FinalFantasyFanatic47d ago

Nintendo is always 2 steps forward, one step back, I really hope they don't mess BC up, they have taken steps that indicate that we'll be able to keep our Switch libraries, some of those games could really benefit from more processing power.

GhostScholar48d ago

I’d give anything for trophy/achievement systems

notachance48d ago

I haven't touched my switch for years despite there are some games on it I want to play because there's no achievement system.

GhostScholar48d ago

Glad I’m not the only one, and I feel like there could be some really cool achievement tiles and game related achievements to the first party Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda, etc

I know they won’t have them because Nintendo is so out of touch, but if they had achievements switch would have been my console of choice I think.

cthulhucultist48d ago (Edited 48d ago )

We have to be realistic given the requirements Nintendo usually considers when deploying a new console the last few years.

It must be power efficient and small in form factor in addition to being hybrid (therefore lowered specs in comparison with other consoles). This means that it will not become as hot when playing as say the Steam Deck.

It must be relatively cheap (not in the 500$ price range but lower)

It must be backwards compatible with Switch

Therefore I am expecting base PS4 power level with newer hardware and upscaling tricks. Anything more powerful will eat the battery rather quickly especially if the rumours about the 8 inch screen are true.

But consider having a Zelda with Ghosts of Tsushima level of graphics! That would be simply stunning

darthv7248d ago

Switch 2 should be at least double what the Switch 1 is, which itself is below 1tf. so seeing a Switch 2 hit around the 1.6tf would put it in Steam Deck range, maybe a little better than that thanks to FSR and DLSS support.

GhostScholar48d ago

There is no way the graphics would be up to par with ghost in my opinion. All Nintendo cares about are the first party games. That’s what all their creativity goes into (that’s not a bad thing because their first party games are great) but they’ll never implement graphical power or even decent online services. They just don’t see it as important.

ChasterMies47d ago

The latest iPhone already has more graphical power than a PS4. I think Nintendo is going to have to spec Switch 2 a little higher if they want to convince people to upgrade.

cthulhucultist46d ago

@DeusFever
Iphone 15 pro run appears to use a dynamic resolution in Death Stranding and it seems to average around 400p in typical play (with frame rate issues on top of it) according to Digital Foundry whereas PS4 run at 1080p.

https://www.eurogamer.net/d...

Resident Evil 4 remake has 300p upscaled to 720p in comparison to 900p resolution on SP4

So not exactly on the same level

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