The level “No Russian” has made its mark as one of the most controversial moments in gaming history, and all things considered, it hasn't aged so well.
...lol Because it was so much less offensive the day it dropped, right?
It was a controversial move back then, and honestly I loved it. It's a video game, it fit the narrative. That was a great game and I felt this level really helped drive home what the undercover player was going through.
Imagine the outrage if say a Russian developer... 4A Games (Ukrainian) created the same scene but in an American Airport. There would be an international condemnation. Just sayin'
Yea, the game would get banned.....most developers are smart enough not to try that kind of thing because of financial reasons.
It wouldn’t get banned. The U.S. doesn’t tend to ban games unless some part of the game is illegal, as was the case with The Guy Game.
Ukraine =/= Russia. They are different people.
Really? Cheers for that information. I couldn't think of a Russian developer so i went for a Ukrainian one in 4A games (metro last light)
*facepalm* more politically correct bullsh*t
At least back then SJW and snowflakes weren't as present as they are now. Everybody can have their opinion now, and I blame the internet for that
PC and SJW culture is on it's last legs. They are grasping for straws now. They always did but they are fading away fast.
I wish that was true, but it's not. They're getting more attention now than ever, unfortunately.
Nah. It's unfortunately a different and very sensitive world we live in now and you're expected to cater to everyone's feelings. The meek have inherited the earth and natural selection for the most part is finished.
bloop its a rlly small %, they just make more noise and the media backs them up.
One of the few FPS missions to evoke emotions (anger, disgust), but was very clever in doing so. I find the mission very impressive, even to this day.
You were angry and disgusted? I just wanted to kill more people than the AI. It’s important to take pride in one’s work.
You’re trying too hard.
When I played this level and I found this was shock and disgusted but it was clever. I know some people find this very controversial, but it does fit the narrative of the game. That’s why Modern Warfare 2 was my favorite COD game. Even Modern Warfare 3 Campaign give me reason to hate the villain even more and I finally killed him.
The taboo things like this is why people still talk about it almost 10 years later.
Absolutely, the campaign of MW 2 would be long forgotten had it not touched a nerve
Gee, who would have thought that the level that promotes terrorism and requires you to kill innocent people for fun would still be a horrible idea even so many years after the original release especially when the world has only gotten worse since then. It was a disgusting level that should have been removed back then and it's still disgusting now. Making the level skippable (a choice that only happened after everyone called them out) didn't hide the developer's true feelings. There are many other ways to illustrate how "evil" these terrorist are, even a cutscene would have had the same effect narrative-wise.
And it would have had none of the impact, legacy-wise either. No Russian is perhaps the most notorious FPS mission ever, and with good reason.. The fact people are talking about it so many years later indicates it must have done something right.
Just because people are still talking about it doesn't mean it was a "good thing". 9/11 is a terrible thing but people still talk about it, Sandy Hook, and Parkland will be on that list...were all those awful events "good things"? It's talked about because it is disgusting and should have never been allowed to happen in the first place and the fact so many people LIKE going in and slaughtering hundreds of innocent people for fun is disturbing.
Sounds like you are describing so many other games, GTA and State of Emergency just to name a couple. What makes this single mission in CoD different, or do you believe all violent games alike should be banned?
You know the answer, don't play dumb
Gamers are anti social rejects, they like this sorta thing
This wasn't just done to "show how evil they are", in fact it was actually more damning and pointing the proverbial finger toward the intelligence community and how far they'll go to maintain cover and get to a "bigger" plot. But the interesting thing to note is: you actually never really have to shoot anyone not shooting at yourself in that level. I always fired off into the air or ground & that was it.
I don't think it was just there to show how evil the terrorists were and I completely disagree that just having it as a cutscenes would've had the same impact. The way I saw it, it was a way for the player to experience that same feeling of anxiety as the character, the sudden realisation that, in order to stay undercover you need to kill innocent civilians. It elicited a feeling of guilt and disgust at my actions for the sake of the mission, exactly what the undercover op would feel. And then being killed at the end no matter what? You did all that for nothing? What a devastating gut punch. Personally I think it's one of the most memorable moments in an FPS campaign, and for all the right reasons.
So how is it ok for movies to do this and suddenly it’s wrong for an R-rated game? It’s supposed to evoke a reaction and get you emotionally invested. It’s also like saying kids playing cops and robbers is wrong because there’s a kid playing the robber and pretending to shoot the cop. It’s not real, ffs! I miss the good ol’ days before SJWs and PC police...
Emotionally invested by hating it proves that it has succeeded in just that
Like do you mean it makes you hate the villains?
Because we all know that by role-playing as a character in a fictional realm means you are that person in real life. Which is why anyone who plays Civilisation and ever at any point starts a war is a clinical sociopath and megalomaniac. And anyone who has ever played GTA is a psychopath who just wants to murder people. And anyone who plays D+D as a chaotic evil is just exposing their true personality. The things I did playing Roller-coaster Tycoon... I am nothing but a money-hungry sadist pleased by the screams of my victims... Oh wait no, hang on, you'd have to be a blithering idiot to believe anything that mental. Doesn't stop people from thinking that way though. :)
People are not obliged to love this level, you know that right? Lol, that would be like brainwashing, "You must like killing people on an airport otherwise you're not cool"
I so much enjoyed this level
@Akarogg Pixels are not people, so no one should feel empathy for them. Now let’s address your insult. There are two possible scenarios here. 1) If submarinna is not a psycho, he or she will likely be able to identify that pretty easily, making your insult ineffective. 2) If submarinna is a psychopath, then he or she lacks the capacity for remorse, which would also make your insult ineffective. Psychopaths couldn’t possibly care less about being called psychos.
One thing is not getting offended, another is taking physical pleasure from murdering what represent innocent people on an airport in todays world of international terrorism. Either submarina is just trying to be edgy to spite the article, or he posses genuine psychopathic traits, which unfortunately is becoming more common
Prohibition in ANY case is NOT the solution. Whoever feels offended because of something is his own fault. Thats a fact
Where was prohibition even mentioned?
It didn't age well the moment it was created
Solid level that fit the narrative. Controversial then, controversial now. It was one of the few, if only moments within the Call of Duty franchise where I felt the campaign reach out and have me question what I was doing. It's very easy to shoot at everything in a video game, but when you're tasked with slaughtering an airport - it stops you for a moment. I do recall that you could get through the level without shooting, or skip the level all together.
Amazing level. Probably one of the best levels in a FPS ever.
I wonder if people realize they didn't have to actually kill anyone in that level...
Food for thought.....all the people who were or are going to be outraged....they are never going to play the game to begin with.
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