Xbox Evolved has uncovered some interesting information that could change the way videogames are made on the Xbox 360 as early as next year.
This means all your future flops are guaranteed to run on it
I wonder whether there will be a new xbox I think LBP has finished x360 and for MS console war might be over
Yeah it's to bad sales say otherwise, sorry to stomp on those pixie dust dreams with the truth droids.
told yea. So just like Gears 1 was ported to XBOX 2 for a Higher -rez so called next-gen Game, all XBOX 2 games will now be made for or with XBOX 3 in mind. and SONY making a PS4 more or less a Steroid induced PS3 is bad? How is it any different then how M$ did or is doing to Reset the field once again?..... how lame M$ and its followers are. sad...
HOW STUPID!!!! OFCOURSE IT WILL BE FORWART COMPATIBLE... WHEN THE 720BOX COMES OUT THEY WILL AD IT WITH BLU-RAY SO OFCOURSE IT WILL PLAY 360 GAMES. SAME I CAN ASURE YOU 360BOTS THAT THE PS3 GAMES ARE NOW ALSO FORWARD COMPATIBLE WITH PS4!!! LOL
So, in other words, like a PC, your hardware reflects what resolution, texture quality etc are affect?
that's what it would seem like. =/ pretty interesting concept. but wouldn't that mean devs can't optimize the specs to the newest console??
I think he nailed it for all those confused by the article
if hwat the artiucle says is true. that crap is gonna rule! but cant they do that just with a filmware update?? for ex. make the 360 play rginal xobx games with its hardware rather than using 1:1 emulation. you know what i mean? same with ps3. like a pc. emulators in pc(if you have agood pc) uses its hardware to make games look sharper,more frames and bigger resolution.
Hold on a second. Backwards compatibility means newer systems can play games for older systems, so forward compatibility should mean older systems can play games for newer systems. This would be closer to how PC handles playing new games on older machines by reducing the graphics. Doesn't this bring up the same issues that PC games have with compatibility between old and new machines?
Unlike PC's there would only be a limited number of possible combinations. While PC's have to deal with every make and model of card, and processor. The consoles would only need to worry about 2, the older and newer versions.
I see what you're saying Xi, yeah in concept I think its a very promising idea, similiar to what we already see with PC's, however no PC or console hardware is "future proof", this would simply extend the next gen life cycle of the next xbox platform to ensure its specs could handle future higher spec games for a longer period, maybe 10 or more yrs of actual playing progressively higher & even higher spec games before you would need new hardware. Edit: damm, my bad this response was meant for your #6.1 post Well the term "future proof" is subjective since obviously nobody's implying "forever" so I guess this idea of future proofing a console could work but I still believe the word is overused, at any rate as fast as PC's and tech changes, I really don't see any hardware being revelant for too long. JOY
Hmm ... it's a rumor. I bet it's 100% bullsh*t. Especially of this.
so basicly it is like the PC, the better the Hardware the better the graphics... so say if this worked on Max Payne 1 game, and i played it on the new xbox it would say have graphics like Gears? thats just an example making sure i get the idea.
@Xi I don't think this (upgrading hardware) is MS exact intention, but this is exactly the same I have thinked. And if for a side it could be good as having not to buy a total new console or it could give PC gaming a hand while combating piracy, I still unconfortable with some ideas that come to mind: #1 MS alone controlling what you can use as hardware and software in this baby. Have you seen 360's HDD price? Now imagine a change in something like Memory or a major party as a CPU. What about software prices? If they choose to charge you for things like a browser? #2 The software side of this, to be a console, only made by MS or made in the system regulated by MS. This is not anormal to a console. But for a PC-like machine? I don't know if I want to be stuck with internet explorer and outlook in this thing. They do really suck. At the sametime, MS is pretty experienced to make software, if they make the right effort and are in the right mood, maybe we got look. #3 MS showed us they aren't the most reliable hardware projector around. They should just handle it or take their time right, not rushing it. And I really don't know if I want a upgradable machine with less option in parts, specially if MS is the only one making it (again, price and quality come to mind). #4 Another feet in the monopoly direction? That said, not necessarily the bad outweights the good. I would be interested to hear more, but I'm also not holding my breath.
I wondered how long it would take before console developers tried to go in this direction! And don't think it's just one company that would do this, because all of them would eventually do it at some point.
Your mom's forward compatible. Sorry thats the first thing I though when I got done reading and I couldn't help it. haha
I think anything we hear about the next gen consoles is all rumors. Wouldn't it make sense to be tight liped about this stuff now Sony can put this same feature into the ps4.
This is stupid. Why don't they just release two different discs like the PS2 and PS3? I don't see the point in this. Probably just to get people to buy teh 360.
This idea of forward compatibility is an interesting concept but I think flawed as well. This is suggesting that future games made for the xbox 720 should run on the 360.... right? But why would MS want to do that? Wouldn't this delay the hardware transitions that they want people to do? Plus it also means 2 things. 1) The next xbox will not have a blu-ray drive. 360's can't read bluray discs right, so it can't be used. 2) This will demand downloading for the 360/720 or multiple disks or both. I'm assuming MS wants to go downloads b/c 720 games will otherwise take up even more space than 360 games. Also, a 360 version of the same game means added redundancy. 720 games will need to run smoothly, and probably output lower textures for 360. Personally I don't like the idea of downloaded full version games and I'm sure the mass majority of you game owners would agree. Besides size/download issues (disk drive limitations/slow speeds) it would mean having content controlled and time dated by MS to expire would suck(ie 4th gen xbox coming out, plus no disc collection) Also, if they keep live paid gold subscriptions ... you don't pay... you don't play.
If this happens, I'll be bumped! Devs making games that look better than the quality the initial console can produce and then later on customers get graphical improvements and a backwards compatible game for free!
This concept doesn't mean you can play Xbox 4's games on the Xbox 3. It simple means that if you buy a X360 game in 2009 then in 2010 when the X720 comes out you can play the same game on the next Xbox and see some graphical updates with its new software. Just like what Sony has done with its games from PS2 and PSX. They both can see some improvements on the PS3 right? Very small though and dealing with higher AA mostly.
Yep looks like MS are just going to replace PCs with Xboxs. Pritty soon their will be a Windows 360 and then Office 360.
"Have you seen 360's HDD price?" Yes. $19.95 for 20GB. http://www.xbox360fanboy.co... Oh, have you seen the price for the PS3 HDMI cable(!) $53 here at WM: http://www.walmart.com/cata...
To me this sounds like the worst thing that could happen. Think of it this way. It would mean you would play games that was not ment for your system. Just like a bad port. It would mean that the step from one generation to the next would be way way smaller than anything worth paying extra for. Like if they made Little Big Planet for the PS2. This would not be possible. The console simple could not handle the fysics. It's not just the graphics. If LBP was developed for PS2 and PS3 the PS3 version would not be what it is today. That is simply impossible. The same goes for all other games.
masterg and everyone else, read the article. as one guy above put it. it means that the 720 will be able to IMPROVE 360 games graphics. not that youll be able to play 720 games on 360.
@ cherrypie Did you know it's a REFURBISHED 360 HD! But what about this? $150 for a 120gb HD ~ http://www.gamestop.com/Cat... But yet you can get a 320gb (or bigger) for less on the PS3! Oh btw have you seen this price for a PS3 HDMI cable? $5.28 ~ http://www.monoprice.com/pr... Either way grow up & take that crap to the OPEN ZONE -------->
@drewdrakes Read my comment and article again. It says developers would make games for the 720 (while it's still not out), but make them playable on the 360 as a lowres game. It's not the other way around. Meaning the 720 would be limited by the 360. "Imagine playing Gears of War 3 on your Xbox 360 it looks and plays good right? Well imagine that the year after it comes out you go out to buy the next Xbox and it looks even better, it plays even better."
Lol Oner, you just made my day by oning cherrypie. The funny part is he went to walmart and typed in PS3 HDMI and the only reason it came up was because it had the word PS3 in it, but what he fails to realize is that the PS3 is an open system. We're not forced to conform and buy specifically the Sony specially released products (hence why a $5 usb headset will work)...unlike some people who have to make up excuses to justify their actions.
HDMI cables and headsets aren't the topic here. On-Track: I can see this working. Just like games on a PC now. The graphics are high-res and designed for the cutting edge hardware (Xbox 720) but will work in older hardware simply by reducing some of the graphical settings. That would work IF: The Xbox 720 was on DVD discs. The games could see what system you are on and scale automatically. I personally think they mean that they will start to include higher graphics on current games... so we'll see a bigger benefit when we play them on the newer console. This would give people incentive to upgrade (play older game collection with high res graphics). The ladder (playing 720 games on 360) would only hinder hardware sales as lots of people don't think graphics makes a game. So why would someone spend money to buy a console with better graphics when you can play the same games with a small loss in graphics?
Such as;Failo 8,Tears of Snore 5,Viva Flopnata 4,and so forth and so forth
Those don't sound like they'll do as well as Halo 8, Gears of War 4, and Viva Pinata 4.
you are spot-on with your assumption. That would be a pretty neat feature as all the old games would be a better...Smoother frame rates, sharper resolutions..etc.
From a business perspective however, its completely retarded, unless they charge for the "upgrade" or hope to make a killing with additional DLC. Devs, publishers and MS make money by selling stuff, a customer who is happy with his old "improved" games is less likely to buy new games. Though I'd love to see this feature in the nextbox, I seriously doubt that this is true, unless something is being left out.
Actually, from a business perspective, that both alienates competition from your tech & sells more consoles: This article however, refers to the hardware &/or software of the next machine having backwards AND forwards compatibility & rendering higher rezolutions & smoother framerates to older & newer titles... just like jacking up your pc with a better videocard, more ram & a better processor & running a game you love (either current gen OR last gen), at a higher rez with more power & fx @ higher fps than before... As someone else said, unlike pc games as a whole, all 360's game code would be similar & easier to manage optimization within the same architecture of said code, & transfer the "upconversion" to your screen... & therefore big titles from this Gen, like say... Gears of War 2 or the "Next Next Gen" Gears of War 3... could theoretically look & run better & "cleaner" on the "Next Next Next" Box. For me, TRUE backward compatibility would be a definate blessing... additional processing would be most welcome, & forward compatability a bonus. But this would come at the cost of "upgrading" your box every year or two as the tech expands (via hardware)... just like a serious pc rig... or you could leave it as is... whatever your wallet can afford... but gaming would ratchet forward on yearly basis & not a console generation basis... If true, no more waiting for the "next" console... you can upgrade as often as the hardware/software upgrades are made available, & the games you already have will look even better. And if software updates are part of the package, most likely they would be FREE.
But a customer who knows that the old game will run very well on his new hardware is also more likely to buy some of those old games..
I call it, "XBOX Mojave". www.mojavexperiment.com See why we had to create a website and publish a project about why it actually is a good thing and people are just making stuff up. See how much of our money we threw away on this...and then...then you may view real testimonials.
i personally would have never imagined it possible to render your games better in another system...i believe this article is legit. let's wait and see, microsoft might really bring something huge soon.
The PS3 already makes ps2/ps1 games smoother, better AA. This looks like its going further though and would be an added insentive for 360 owners to upgrade to the next system at launch. When I read the title I was expecting they where going to build the hardware to have a memory expansion or something. Like Genesis or N64. Edit: Hit the PS button while playing a ps2 game on PS3 and you will have the option to use smoothing. Why would i lie?
PS2 also did it with the old PS1 games, i remember playing a ps1 game on a ps2 and it was better, more clearer.
Yup, I thought ps2 did it too but could not recall thanks man.
What world are you from that you don't know higher end systems can render the same game better. Haven't you played games on an older PC and then installed it on a newer one and done comparisons? This idea of forward compatibility isn't a sell. Its old PC tech with "magical" marketing on top.
if this story is true, what they are really saying is the end of the 360 confirmed it is only a matter of time.
I love how you turn anything anyone says into "the end of 360." "I love ice cream." (the end of 360.)
the ps3 is going to die... it's only a matter of time. I'm going to die... it's only a matter of time. See, it works on all levels.
Since it wont come with a hard disk as standard,I wonder how much they'll charge for a 50GB Hard disk-A Thousand dollars perhaps?
For casual gamers. The reason Nintendo didn't upgrade the Gamecube is because they needed a new image, which screwed hardcore gamers but was welcomed by casuals because it was seen as a new product, not the same with upgrades. Casuals are afraid of having to upgrade eventually and if that's the case then they'll opt out. Edit: Wait, that's not forward compatibility. That is still backwards compatibility only with more improvements to games. Guess what? PS3 and 360 already do that by upscaling games. It just happens that PS3 and 360 are both highly networked consoles and it would be possible to patch games in the next consoles in order to make them look better. Last gen games weren't as networked as todays. My idea of Forward Compatibility is that your current gen console can play "next-gen" games, but that could only happen if games were streamed and processed elsewhere, meaning your console is basically just a dumb terminal streaming games to your TV. But that is way too far away to be a viable alternative for the next generation.
Instead of buying gears of war 4 for the 360, it'd just be gears of war 4, then if you ever decided to get the new console your old game would look like that of the generation leap, you'd never have to upgrade if you didn't want to. It's pretty much ensuring that the next console would be future proofed for games like the ps2 was, and it'd always ensure developers would have a market. It's quite clever. Almost, the major difference is that your library wouldn't need to change, so instead of returning game x for console x, you'd just keeps game x and use it on console y, and still get all the advantages.
That would require very minor upgrades. That's not a good idea, and eventually forward compatibility would have to be lost unless the industry desires to go stale
Well, it didn't work for Crysis, though. They made a game which was so forward compatible that it doesn't run on current HW - or at least that is what people believe. It could work, though. And it makes sense. But its the same as, your game needs to be prepared to use a HDD or not. Also, a DVD doesn't really help to hold even more information. And a different drive wouldn't work, because the game wouldn't work in the 360 any more. But maybe its just for the developers. A target build could simply produce a version for 360 and next gen...means, two different versions on the shelf, but only one release for developers. Hm...
Future flops? Seeing as those games of today like LOLFAILO 3 are ranked higher than alot of ''QUALITY'' ps3 games I don't think that's going to happen. What I see is legitimate reviewers giving 9-10s and Sony fanboys screaming ''OVEEERATEEED!!''.
i sense a massive spam of the open zone coming.
This is pretty interesting. If it happens, how would Sony and Nintendo respond?
maybe it will be common for all 3 consoles. I doubt this will be in the xbox3,ps4,wii2 but on the xbox4, ps5,wii3.
ps2 & ps3 already did this they wouldnt need to respond
So DVD games getting a upgrade? This is silly since the tech is outdated. I say just worry about making the games today work today. Its not good to keep making people feel bad one year after buying there systems. Arcade-->Premium-->Elite -->New System= I feel screwed :(
Dvd9, like Bluray disc, is just an optical storage device... a medium that doesnt change the code it contains, it merely houses it... the medium does not matter, only the game code within, & how fast it streams from source...
Thank you to the first comment above. Clearly the OP doesnt know WTF he is talking about. The only thing BR does is make your console wait longer for data. THAT is why some games have manditory installs, because to deal with the longer BR read times, MOST games simply store multiple copies of the same data at different locations on the disc to reduce read-waits; with some games, they choose to write to the HD (faster yet). http://multiplayerblog.mtv....
How about RROD? will it be "Forward-Compatible" too?
I strongly believe it will be it will be
youll get points for each rrod, once you have enough you can unlock the mega rrod. :)
LOL! RROD hasn't been a problem for MONTHS! Pull another oldie out of your hat! Maybe "360 will NEVER see DMC4, OR FFXIII!"
zerodin this is the fun zone dont take things seriously.
They're idiots. They come here for the sole purpose of bashing the console and failing at it. That alone tells us how stupid they are. RROD, like jesus.. that's so.. 2005! IT SEEMS SONY TROLLS HAVE YET TO EVOLVE.
does no one have a sense of humor :(
WHY SO SERIOUS? this is the OPEN ZONE, i guess people your too slow notice that beside if my post are serious, it can't be compare to zerodin and his Asia racist comment. I have 27 day to go in here. :) @Keele Who cares if its the open zone? Apparently it's fine when you Ps3 fans do it but if I were to do the same to the Ps3 can you imagine what would happen? ITS FINE BECAUSE ITS TOWARDS THE 360, not because it's OPEN ZONE. There there, i didn't mean to hurt your feeling, now run to your mom and cry your heart out to your mom. :)
Yeah? And your mom sucks my dong.