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Valve Deleting Hate Groups From Steam

Welp, they finally did it: Valve has begun removing hate groups from Steam; in other words, they're actually enforcing their TOS. Take notes, Twitter.

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Cobra951265d ago

I'm all for removing actual hate groups. The problem is that politically incorrect speech often gets thrown into the same category.

"For example, the Waifu Hunter Steam Curator recommends games based on whether a game 'has attractive anime ladies in it.'"
https://motherboard.vice.co...

That's no reason to censor anybody. So while I'm glad dangerous racists and violent homophobes are getting the boot, I'm not happy with the growing trend of banning everybody who doesn't conform to a California-centric social sensibility.

Muadiib265d ago

How about violent homosexuals?

Eonjay265d ago

How about watching your butt hole?

Sono421264d ago (Edited 264d ago )

"I'm all for removing actual hate groups. The problem is that politically incorrect speech often gets thrown into the same category. "

This is exactly what came to mind when I read the title, not to mention scrolling through the article, most of these are just edgy humor... these aren't ACTUALLY Nazis... this outrage culture we're living in now is just pathetic, everyone just has to complain about something, social justice needs to die off already. and yes I know it's ironic that i'm complaining about the people who complain about everything, but the difference is they do it just to get up on their moral high horse.

MrSaturn99265d ago

To be fair, that one's still active: http://store.steampowered.c...

Not exactly sure why that one was singled out, but oh well.

ChrisW265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

If anything, it's highly sexist. Which, IMO, is fairly different from promoting hate.

bluefox755265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

It often does get thrown in the same category unfortunately. Just today a Scottish youtuber was convicted of the crime of being "grossly offensive", and faces prison time for making a joke. Scary stuff.

ninsigma265d ago

Hadn't heard about that until you just said it. Looked it. Holy sh1t we're all screwed if this carries on.

SolidGear3265d ago

He trained his dog to do a Nazi salute. Read about it on Facebook.

FlameBaitGod265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

"He trained his dog to do a Nazi salute. Read about it on Facebook."

I find it depressing how the person who wrote this doesn't realize how retarded this sounds, is it the fluoride filled waters the cause of this or what ? how does someone get to this level of special?

PurpHerbison265d ago

Yeah, I'd much rather the Alabama-centric social sensibility.

Eonjay265d ago

But this group was never blocked or removed... so you are claiming something that doesn't exist. I mean Steam IS being sensible.

Rimeskeem265d ago

California centric?

Wut?

starchild265d ago

Exactly this. Who gets to decide what constitutes "hate"? There's no universally agreed upon standard of what that means. So, basically, it just ends up being a way to censor non-politically correct thought and discussion.

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MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

Hey, all! Just so you know, if you defend the hate groups on the grounds of "but freeze peach!!!11", then congrats: you are now a Nazi apologist. Also, you should probably read this handy XKCD comic: https://imgs.xkcd.com/comic...

If you'd like to further engage us on this matter, please come visit our site's comments sections at the expense of probably violating the comment moderation policy.

atomaweapon265d ago

Hi Yes MRSATURNN99 I am a L I T E R AL N A Z I

TheSplooge265d ago

Oh cool, an sjw. You sensitive folk need to leave the internet, crawl in your safe space and never come out.

MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

Wow, I'm an SJW?!? Awesome, I always wanted to be a superhero! Now to find out what my superpowers are...

(Seriously, that's the most self-defeating insult ever, lol)

stokedAF265d ago

Hey come to our site and talk to us. You will probably be banned if you don’t agree but hey, that’s just policy 😂

That’s really someone we should be taking an intolerance lecture from?

MrSaturn99265d ago

welp that's an example of nazi apologism if I ever saw one

also your other post makes absolutely no sense and displays a complete lack of understanding regarding the story at hand ("outing people" =/= banning hate groups)

stokedAF265d ago

I’m a nazi apologist because I laughed at your ridiculous statement? I’m not the one who created a website to enact my “superiority” over others lol. Nazi Germany doesn’t exist anymore by the way, neither do Nazis.

It makes complete sense. You said yourself you would ban “hate” from your website. It’s your website so you can define “hate” all you want and apparently it’s anyone who discusses things that don’t lead to your outcome.

I just didn’t know if you were actually trying to get people to go to your website with such a warm invitation lol. Are you promoting your site? I know I personally won’t click on that website anymore due to your comment. Not because I’m a “nazi apologist” but because you are just as bad. You are both NUTS.

MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

"I’m a nazi apologist because I laughed at your ridiculous statement?"

No, because you're trivializing Nazism as a thing to "agree" with.

"I’m not the one who created a website to enact my “superiority” over others lol."

Joke's on you, buddy: site's been around for eight years before I signed on!

"Nazi Germany doesn’t exist anymore by the way, neither do Nazis."

are you being intentionally obtuse or did you honestly miss the charlottesville march from last year

"It makes complete sense."

I was referring to your other comment where you not only missed the entire point of the story (which, given by this comment, you didn't even bother to read) but consider efforts to suppress Nazism as being "crazy"

"You said yourself you would ban “hate” from your website. It’s your website so you can define “hate” all you want and apparently it’s anyone who discusses things that don’t lead to your outcome."

You know goddamn well what hate is. Stop being intentionally obtuse.

"Are you promoting your site?"

I, nor do any of my co-workers, require traffics from Nazi apologists to sustain the site. (Not to mention, uh, you're technically already "promoting" your site by uploading articles on here, sooooooo...)

"I know I personally won’t click on that website anymore due to your comment."

Good, we don't want you.

"You are both NUTS. "

Who are you referring to? Me, and...?

stokedAF265d ago

“No, because you're trivializing Nazism as a thing to "agree" with.”

No, I’m just trivializing your definition. They aren’t nazis, they are internet trolls. If you feel safer that people are off of your video game platform then you don’t know what real hate is lol.

"Joke's on you, buddy: site's been around for eight years before I signed on!”

Oh well that worked out, huh? You didn’t even have to do anything to gain your superiority. Work smarter not harder?

"are you being intentionally obtuse or did you honestly miss the charlottesville march from last year”

Those hillbillies weren’t nazis either lol. It’s not a binary choice between you or them. I choose none of the above.

“I was referring to your other comment where you not only missed the entire point of the story but consider efforts to suppress Nazism as being "crazy"”

No, I didn’t miss the point at all. You are safer on steam now, I’m happy for you. My other comment was dismissing the “hate” prerogative in general. Hate speech, hate crime, etc.

For example and context, I was watching the news about this serial bomber in Austin Texas and reporters kept asking “is it hate related?” And the detective would come out and say he doesn’t know and this was a thing for 5 minutes. All I thought about was how simplistic and trivial do you have to be to think like this? Is it hate related? Who cares why they are blowing people up? I couldn’t care less about *why* they are doing what they are doing. Would it be worse if it was hate related, better if it wasn’t lol? Not to me, they need to be dealt with immediately. I don’t care what drama trolls have conjured up on the internet, your side or theirs.

Your hyperbole version of nazism and the real version are both crazy. The version you are talking about, the internet trolls, you are no different. You obviously aren’t murdering millions of people and invading your neighbors lol. Your ideologies have though, both of yours. This internet war you are having, it’s nothing close and it’s so few of you that nobody cares. It’s unintentionally obtuse to compare such things for dramatic effect.

“You know goddamn well what hate is. Stop being intentionally obtuse.”
Well hate is different for everyone and everyone hates something. Whatever it is we can just call it a nazi, right? Let’s simplify things a bit.

“I, nor do any of my co-workers, require traffics from Nazi apologists to sustain the site. Not to mention, uh, you're technically already "promoting" your site by uploading articles on here”

I would hope not, the number is so few. I meant your comments. Are you really trying to promote your website and speak for everyone there by throwing nazi at people in the comments lol? “Hey check out my article but first, screw you nazi. Love, poor player staff.”

"Good, we don't want you.”

Yeah good luck with that lol. I hope you become the full time promoter, make sure you’re extra chatty in the comments.

"Who are you referring to? Me, and...?”

Your counterpart in the internet crusade of course. Your reason for being and professional pursuit. Good luck with the nazi hunt bon journo, it’s obviously your passion in gaming lol.

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ninsigma265d ago

Soooo you're saying to engage you... With an opinion you agree with... 🙄
I'm as against hate speach etc as the next guy but your last paragraph is how the world will go down the toilette. Can't have an opinion unless it's the right one. That's way more dangerous to society than a few idiots typing nonsense on the Internet that no one is obliged to look at.

MrSaturn99265d ago

yeah man it's not climate change or unstable superpowers that'll end the world but, uh, we refusing to give those poor nazis a platform to express their opinions of committing genocide, oh no.

ps you're being a nazi apologist

Aither265d ago

SJW's like you are more dangerous than racist bigots. While racists are ignorant morons who no one listens to, there are too many people in power with the ideas of shutting down free speech because it may hurt a persons feelings. European nations are now putting people in jail in the name of hate speech, and that is exactly what SJW's want. Do you know who else was against free speech, the National Socialist Party also known as Nazi's.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

your entire argument is rendered invalid in the face of Donald Trump being president. So much for no one listening to racists. :(

(in b4 "oh oh oh but the guy who began his campaign on a racist lie and was a major proponent behind the obama birther conspiracy isn't racist!!111")

Also, Nazis =/- Socialists. Do your research. And I'm certain you can figure out for yourself why someone as disgusting as Sargon of Akkad shouldn't be given a platform.

Aither265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

Do you know how foolish you sound? You are a SJW after all, so it is not surprising that you have such an asinine narrative. For one thing, Trump being president has nothing to do with racists. The same people who voted for Obama voted for Trump, so it ridiculous to say only racists voted for Trump. In fact, if what you believe were true, Obama would've never been president, so much for you having a valid argument. ;)

Nazis are socialists, and those are facts from not only research into history, but straight from the horse's mouth which was the leader of the Nazi party.

https://www.brusselsjournal...

“We are Socialists, enemies, mortal enemies of the present capitalist economic system with its exploitation of the economically weak, with its injustice in wages, with its immoral evaluation of individuals according to wealth and money instead of responsibility and achievement, and we are determined under all circumstances to abolish this system!”

Adolf Hitler in his May Day Speech, Berlin, 1 May 1927
(quoted by John Toland in his book Adolf Hitler, 1976, p. 306.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and it is both hilarious and sad you are posting to your own article without having researched a thing on what you say, or are just spouting lies about historic events. Perhaps if you picked up a book instead of creating a blog, you would've known what the National Socialist Party was and what it stood for.

Aither265d ago

PS: I don't know why you brought up Sargon of Akkad, perhaps you are jealous of his success? The reason why people will listen to him more than you is because he has done his research and knows what he is talking about. You are just another whiny SJW who likes to cry racism, sexism, etc. to shut down those who make more sense than you.

MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

"For one thing, Trump being president has nothing to do with racists. The same people who voted for Obama voted for Trump, so it ridiculous to say only racists voted for Trump. In fact, if what you believe were true, Obama would've never been president, so much for you having a valid argument. ;) "

Stop being intentionally obtuse. I never claimed every Trump voter is racist (although it's not a stretch to say most of them are) and you and I both know "the same people who voted for Obama voted for Trump" is a massive over-generalization.

"Nazis are socialists, and those are facts from not only research into history, but straight from the horse's mouth which was the leader of the Nazi party."

see there's this thing called lying...you may be aware it. Here, lemme provide some sources proving you wrong!

https://resistinghate.org/w...
https://www.snopes.com/news...
http://www.newsweek.com/naz...

Also, apparently you missed the memo: I didn't make the site, buddy.

"PS: I don't know why you brought up Sargon of Akkad, perhaps you are jealous of his success? The reason why people will listen to him more than you is because he has done his research and knows what he is talking about. You are just another whiny SJW who likes to cry racism, sexism, etc. to shut down those who make more sense than you."

you provided me a video about him. either you're lying or you have a very short-term memory. in any case, the idea of me being a jealous of a conspiracy-theorist is laughable, as is your idea of him doing "research"

Just an FYI, "SJW" (and while we're at it, "virtue-signalling") is a term meant to stigmatize any sort of empathy or fellowship and that's not even getting into a) its common use as lazy-ass slur ("PC" also falls into this category) that's insanely vague in meaning and b) it automatically being self-defeating by calling the other person a hero ("Social Justice Warrior"? That sounds awesome! I wanna be that!). Either say what you mean or get lost.

Aither265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

"Either say what you mean or get lost."

Sounds like a SJW is getting upset, do you need a safe space? ;)

About the video I posted, it wasn't a Sargon of Akkad video, but instead a video as to the dangers of SJW's by using censorship and violence as a weapon against those who are political opponents like Sargon of Akkad which indeed makes you similar to the National Socialist Party. You stated you are for censorship of Sargon of Akkad, and that is why I was confused why you would mention him specifically, but it is obvious you only read the title of the video and did not listen to the whole thing. However, I understand you don't need to listen to the rest of the video because you are a dangerous SJW who is an advocate of censorship. You want to silence those who disagree with you, and that is very much a Nazi ideology.

While your two radical socialist blog sites and a far left media outlet try to state otherwise, you cannot rewrite history just because it doesn't fit your narrative. The National Socialist Party was a socialist movement conducted by the leader of the Nazi party. John Willard Toland was not only a famous historian who fervently studied Hitler so he could write his bibliography, but was also a Pulitzer-Prize winner for his works on WWII-era Japan. I highly doubt that a Newsweek "General assignment reporter/writer" Greg Price who is so famous that his buried deep in the confines of the internet is considered to be a credible source except for SJW's like yourself. Sorry, but I think I will stick with the truth from historians over the fabricated lies from radical left-wing sites like the ones you posted from a google search. Of course you will believe what you want to, history doesn't matter to SJW's.

MrSaturn99265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

So now me not wanting a dangerous individual spreading 9/11/Charlottesville conspiracy theories to have a platform makes me a Nazi. Amazing. (And by the way, I'd consider a video using him as a springboard for a lolworthy argument to be about him, but I guess that doesn't stop you from lying)

That you're dismissing links proving you wrong because they're apparently "radical socialist" only displays the typical right-wing defense mechanism of dismissing anything that doesn't fit their narrative. If you can't be bothered to admit you're projecting or even use relevant terms to address me with, then we're done here. Watch out for that SJW censorship boogeyman in your closet.

Edit: To stokedAF, if you're reading this, I reached my comment limit for this upload so I can't respond to you directly, but that your apparent lack of care for murder motives, being intentionally obtuse on hate speech/one's application of hate in regards to race/religion, inability to recognize the dangers of normalization/indoctrination on social media and the blatant Nazi imagery/embracing in the Charlottesville march making assumptions about me without evidence (our site installing the CMP as a response to the flood of hate speech following a similar article/maintaining a game blog for four years that I still work on that caught the eye of four different outlets I wrote for) or just plain-ass drivel also further proves you're not worth responding to. Have fun with your Nazi apologism.

Aither265d ago

I gather my information from history, you collect information from left-wing blogs and some general writer from Newsweek. Those are not credible sources, and I would urge you to read the John Toland book about Hitler as you might learn he was more of a socialist than what you believe. If you want to learn something, go directly to the source, don't gather it from blog sites pushing for a socialist agenda. Although, I guess you are a part of a blog with a socialist agenda in mind so of course you promote them. You have already admitted to being enemy of free speech by advocating for censorship, so I guess you are pretty much a lost cause as you don't want freedom for everyone and will proudly admit it as truth. It is a scary thought that the new form of book burning is done on what was conceived to be the freest place to express yourself, and it is radical SJW's like you who are leading the charge to take that all away. That sir is what fascism is, and you are a sponsor of it.

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CaptainObvious878265d ago (Edited 265d ago )

I thought you have to be a troll because no one could spout such equivocally stupid and immoral positions as you have and actually mean it.

Also, I'm deeply offended by everything coming out of your mouth, that makes you a nazi, REEEEEE!!!! That means it's ok to consor you. REEEEEE!!!!!!

MrSaturn99265d ago

actually I'm pretty sure I outlined why the relevant responses are being nazi apologists (which isn't necessarily the same thing as being a Nazi, btw), but okay

nice lack of an actual counter argument, btw

ninsigma265d ago

"climate change or unstable superpowers"
It's quite funny you say that actually. Trump is an unstable ego maniac in charge of one of the most powerful countries in the world and has set said country backwards in terms of its efforts towards a better environment. And it's part due to people like you that put him i to power. You and your harmful agendas that you're pushing down people's throats caused a lot of moderate people to get sick of it and vote for the one guy who was so un-pc. So if the environment falls to sh1t because of Trumps policies, or he hits that big red button, then I hope you understand the part that you and your ilk had to play in that (I doubt it). By all means though, keep attacking with your "nazi apologist" slurs. Watch your opposition grow bigger and bigger. It'll be your own fault.

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Aither265d ago

A vague statement so anyone can be blocked who doesn't say the right thing.

jmc8888265d ago

The funny thing is, my fellow lefties don't even understand that it can be turned on anyone, including people currently feeling protected.

Because I've seen a lot of 'peaceful' groups on any side violently accosting people of a different mindset.

warriorcase265d ago

I would guess a group that beaches their Tos agreement. Think they have a section for ruling of Bullying, harassment and trolling, so I would add group that they can see in these categories would breach their agreement

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