A Discount’s Nice, but PSVR Needs Full Games

Unfortunately, even with PSVR’s decent library of titles, and a handful of announced games, there just aren’t many compelling full-fledged gaming experiences coming in the near future. That’s what Sony needs to focus on.

[DivineAssault]

It needs games for sure but i really dont even like putting the thing on.. Its more trouble than what its worth to me.. Im not investing in VR again until its a smooth 4k experience with a very comfortable headset

[Fantomex]

I'm with you. I tried PSVR more than once. The games are RIGs and Skyrim. Skyrim being one of my all time favorite games in VR would get me on board with the VR bandwagon. Instead it wasn't like I was expecting it to be. My neck got sore rather quickly from wearing the helmet for less than 10 minutes, and then feel really nauseous 15-30 minutes playing the game. Discomfort aside, the image is really blurry from being it too low res, killing the immersion for me.

Great idea, but unfortunately the tech simply isn't there. Not only that, Skyrim is already an old game. VR is a fad that is fading away like other past fads did. Once all the high end VR devices are found on 80% off clearance shelves, it will then be forgotten. After that, maybe give it another 10-15 years before it makes a return. Playing Skyrim on those future VR devices would be like playing TES: Arena in VR today.

[InTheLab]

The tech is fine. Skyrim just isn't the game it should be. It's old and the graphics were awful when the fame launched on ps3 and little has changed in VR.

Now Driveclub is fantastic in VR as is Resident Evil.

Now, as for your neck, you might need to get it checked out. The headset isn't that heavy and the cords do not get in your way.

And as a rule I never use it more than an hour.

[Notellin]

Your neck got sore from a headset weighing a pound and 5 ounces????

We can tell you never played any sport with a helmet and definitely have never put on hard hat.

[KillBill]

@Notellin - you obviously have not put on a hard hat if you think it weighs a pound and 5 ounces. They are normally around 14 ounces and they sit evenly on the head. VR is not in the least comfortable for any length of time.

[OB1Biker]

It's a bit like swimming. You need to go progressively. First time a few games made me uncomfortable. Also not everyone enjoy the same type of VR games.
Just an example first time I tried Eve Valkyrie I hated the controls and feeling nauseous. Later I read you could change the controls so I bought it. Result is I got used to the original control except for one remapping the boost And after a couple days could barrel roll for hours with no problem apart from going wow when removing the headset

[S2Killinit]

But PSVR is the most comfortable design there is. Are you saying even that isnt enough?

[DivineAssault]

Its not comfortable enough for me personally.. I dont like the wires or anything either.. VR just isnt my thing.. I tried it, i supported it, and it isnt working out.. Nothing beats just popping in a disc and grabbing a controller.. All that other stuff are unnecessary hurdles..

[Knushwood Butt]

Popping in a disc sounds lika an unnecessary hurdle.

[Gman32]

thats what i been psvr needs to be powerful im sure on the ps4 pro only out put the resolution from 1080p to 1440p well maybe around 1200p for psvr guess we will have to wait for psvr 2 for that

[ABBAJESUS]

Eyetracking is the next big thing. Doesn't need as much gpu power as now.

[NXFather]

You might be correct about 4k vr but, can you do one correct push up?

[Gaming4Life1981]

VR period needs full games.

[ibrake4naps]

VR is for sure a game changer that's here to stay. But it for sure needs full length awesome games like resident evil and Skyrim!

[NecrumOddBoy]

For gen 1 out the gate I think we're doing fairly well. I'm pretty excited for Moss next week and hopefully Starchild soon. The inpatient being a disappointment was kind of a bummer. It was nice finally to pick up VR world's just too be able to play the London Heist

[Loktai]

I agree its pretty good. Its not a console in itself at this point but as an accessory for those willing to spend the money to adopt this tech at this state and drive the market its actually pretty good.

As some who drives a ton for a living I had NO motion sickness and NO issue with comfort of the headset, moving my head or anything else. Its true the amount of content needs work but there IS a ton of content. Doom , RE7, Skyrim, tons of smaller experiences, tons of cool shit like Accounting+ and Superhot and overall in my opinion its a really great value for what you're getting. People may demand a high end "4k" experience in VR but... I dont think most of those demanding those upgrades would spend the money needed to get them. Most PC gamers dont even have 4k monitors yet and its been possible for a LONG time to get them... because of cost .

[ApocalypseShadow]

Terrible writing. The discounts are for those looking to get more games for their library. And, for those getting into vr, they have games to buy after spending money on the headset which can be considered expensive.

PSVR has full length games right *now* and more scheduled to come in the near future and down the line. Full length is subjective. Games like skyrim are ports. And games as awesome as RE7 are barely longer than other experiences on the platform.

Then the writer discredits far point as being awful. Which is his opinion. But it's not shared by everybody. It was a good, first Gen, lengthy shooter supported by an awesome peripheral. But the writer ignores that. And ignores it's multiplayer. Or other games with multiplayer that lengthen a title's worth.

Is PSVR perfect? No. But most first platforms aren't. But they get better. Just like regular gaming starts slow at launch but builds with better games down the line when developers get used to programming.

VR gaming isn't regular gaming and shouldn't be expected to be the same. PSVR may feel light, but is definitely heavier than a hat. So, why expect gamers to sit hours with it on like a regular game? Common sense. Developers aren't going to be making games like GTA with millions of dollars spent on a smaller community. Again, common sense. So, expect shorter experiences until the community grows. That's why the discounts are there. To grow the community. Common sense.

You would think the writer would know better.

[Death]

Common sense doesn’t really apply here. Everyone has a different perception and expectations of what VR should be. I personally loved the immersion but I hated the restrictions VR has and didn’t like going from incredibly clear 4K to the graininess of VR. Watching movies on the big screen on PSVR sounded cool too, but the reality is it looks terrible. The jitteriness due to the cheap tracking was also a big turn off. Vive and Rift has much better tracking, but they suffer from a lack of content as well.

Eliminate the wires, lose the graininess and screen door effect and more people will buy. More “real” games will go a long way too.

[Chevalier]

'More' is subjective. PSVR has easily outsold its competitors. So yeah 'common sense' does apply and yeah in a perfect world the wires etc are gone, but, at what cost? Same with the screen as well, sure the screen could be 4k etc. , but then you would be here complaining about price because it would skyrocket to implement those things.

[Death]

You can sell poorly and still outsell your competition in a failing market.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Death, the argument is about psvr having longer experiences. Not a comparison between pc vr and console vr. So, your argument is weak. I could compare where ever you live or car you drive and find something better than what you got. But it would be off topic. Pc graphics, hardware and peripherals are expected to be better. But the price is higher than consoles. No regular console gamer is going to spend $800-$1000 on vr for a $200-$250 console. COMMON SENSE.

Psvr has lengthy games now and lengthy games coming out based on the size of the community. No developer is going to spend millions with no guarantee of a return. Why does Rockstar wait to produce their games and not release at launch? Because there wouldn't be enough consoles on the market at launch to support a game that took 100-200 million to make. COMMON SENSE.

Fun and replay ability create length. Not games with numerous, artifical fetch quests. I have games I've played over and over since atari that aren't 100 hour long games. Why? Because of fun. And they were so fun, I played again and again.

Once psvr does get these supposed "lengthy" games, the writer will then complain about prices of vr games as they will all be $59-$64. And he'll be hoping for those **discounts** that he's bashing.

[Death]

@AS,

Your common sense still isn’t “common”. Length and quality of games applies to all VR formats. Like you said, the user base is small so devs are targeting all platforms. Sony is giving PSVR minimal support like they did with Vita when it didn’t sell like they had hoped. Third parties aren’t getting behind VR much either leaving development to indie studios which ship these short experiences.

Rockstar released both GTA3 and GTA4 shortly after the PS2 and PS3 launch. GTA5 released at the end of the PS3 lifecycle and beginning of the PS4’s. Your common sense is based on what you want to believe and not what actual happened.

The VR and console prices you lead with are also greatly exaggerated.

[ApocalypseShadow]

gta3 and gta4 released after a good amount of systems were in the market. Gta5 released when there were millions of ps3s on the market. Then they ported it to ps4 because the game was already done. They didn't have to start from scratch.

Indie games are fine as I wouldn't want to see the same developers releasing the same tired franchises on the platform. As for Sony, they are supporting the platform. But if most of their 1st parties were making vr games and not regular games, gamers would complain about that. And we'd have another kinect. That's why they have London studio and north west studio to make games. And other 1st party add ons like gt and Wipeout. 150+ games and experiences in less than 2 years and more coming is good for a platform that's normally $399. Are you expecting 500 games in one year? For an add on?Common sense.

Exaggerated? What's th cost of a quality pc and a rift or vive? You may need to count again. A good pc and headset would set you back at least $800-$1000. Common sense death. Don't try to fool yourself or us.

[TheRealHeisenberg]

This is all pointless drivel. Nobody cares about PSVR. It will become mainstream when Sony drops the price of PSVR to $1. I'm all in when that happens.

[Evolve]

I just bought RE7 GE and I can't wait to play it using the PSVR! But most importantly for me and the one game I'm super excited to play is Ace Combat 7. It's taking so long, man :(

[CobraKai]

I get sick after 20 minutes. I dunno if I can handle a 10 hour experience

[Loktai]

That blows. Sorry to hear that. I hear it gets a bit better with practice. I didnt have any issue from the beginning but I know its common with VR.

[solderman]

It is a common fallacy you can defeat simulation sickness. It is perpetrated on Reddit and simply isn't true. People just like to shoot it down so people unwittingly invest.

[LukeTheBadguy]

not true I owned it and you don't get used to it, bang your head on the wall continuously maybe then the numbness will ease your sickness

[ibrake4naps]

It goes away. I never get sick now, even after 5 hours in Skyrim VR. It's similar to sea sickness. You get your sea legs after a short while...

[CobraKai]

That’s good to hear. I do succumb to motion sickness anyway. I was playing through the VR for Star Wars, which was an awesome experience, but by the end I had to recoup from the motion sickness

[Silly gameAr]

PSVR must be doing well.

[DarXyde]

I think it's a bit of a double-edged sword:

The idea of making a full-on VR game sounds like a financial risk since you're appealing to a very small subculture of a massive install base. Even then, you will not have 100% of that subsection. And it's for the very reason of full software scarcity that the install base is taking its time expanding.

But even if they make a game that supports both VR and traditional play (e.g., Resident Evil 7), you don't need VR to play it.

For sure, it's a difficult spot to be in.

[Chevalier]

Exactly right on the mark with your assessment Darxyde! Its a narrow line between common sense and being absurd as well. Just look at Death suggesting no wires, better screen etc. Yeah for sure those could happen, but, then the price would be insane. Then those trolls would be complaining about the insane cost of the head sets. Like the old price for the Vive and Oculus for example. There's a fine line to toe to be where PSVR is at.

[Gaming4Life1981]

The price of VR has dropped alot so a better resolution screen is one thing that should not cost alot to implement when the oculus rift is what 1080x1200 OLED panel on each eye and cost 400 with the motion controls. Im not sure how wireless could be implemented but im sure it will come if VR lasts. VR needs to stand on its own with its own full dedicated games not just add ons.

I dont think VR will make it if it continues down the path its going now, the hype has wore off and people want more. Price drops are great and will sell some units but then what, I havent heard anyone with any VR unit talking or caring about it anymore. The most I do now is let other people play on it to experience it and thats not good. I like VR in short sessions myself but even then I barely use my own cause in all honestly I just like to game on my tv controller in hand. VR has some cool stuff but it all wears off quickly.

[NecrumOddBoy]

But... there are two million psvr sold. Because it's dedicated peripheral, the attached rate is substantially higher than for the console itself. So really because psvr is doing well, the games as long as they are great, will thrive too.

[Chevalier]

@Gaminglife

" The price of VR has dropped alot so a better resolution screen is one thing that should not cost alot to implement"

While that is true its a fine line to do that. If you do that then what happens to the customers who supported the VR and made it successful? If they feel jilted as a result of those upgrades you're in trouble of losing that good will. It cost more money to get back customers you lost then maintaining and building that current customer base. The fancy new head sets can wait till the next gen PS5. They need to build up what they currently have and grow their market. More customers from cheaper headsets is more important and building a library of games. Those upgrades will ONLY happen if VR is successful enough.

[Gaming4Life1981]

Nothing will happen to early adapters as long as everything still works with the original hardware like ps4 pro and Xbox one x. We will see what happens with VR but it's future doesn't look to good but that's just my opinion. The rumor is next gen starts 2020 and VR needs come back strong with upgrades and dedicated software.

[ObviousGoldfish]

Sounds like the age ole question for dat vita. Shame to see this gem will be going the little V and baby Psp route straight to bargain bins.

[Xenophon_York]

The strangest element of virtual reality gaming has been getting used to the fact that playing in VR is more of an experience than just being a video game. That's why 'games' like Statik and Tumble that, while short, still envelope the player in a fun environment.

VR gaming formulas will not be the same as what we're accustomed to by current mainstream video game titles—such as Uncharted, Witcher, et cetera.

[Kumakai]

been saying this for a long time. THIS is a device that isn't really worth the investment. not yet at least. its cool, but its not a must have and the library of available games (or rather experiences as they often aren't the full games) isn't nearly compelling enough to warrant the purchase of. the hardware is too limited and the machines just aren't really powerful enough imo. i mean who's gonna drag out the headset and a big wad of cords to play a single 1 car race in gran turismo when you can race the full game with lots of people or ai opponents and no hassle at all? and doom vfr? that was a miserable, awkward experience to me. impressive moments but ultimately it was a neutered version of doom with strange, cumbersome controls.

[welly300]

Hope sony dont give up on vr and Microsoft jump on board. Needs to be more user friendly..fingers crossed next gen we get vr mk 2. Wouldnt bother this gen, spec on consoles is not up to the job.

[LukeTheBadguy]

PSVR is not anything special i bought it and everyone who tried it got sick and after a couple days no one wanted anything to do with it. And the move controllers were terrible, fool me once. Even the 10 year old boy isn't interested. Maybe someday but for now its just a fancy google card board. Bring full immersion like the Vive with no sickness and maybe I'll try again. Microsoft is smart by not getting into this Fad

[drunkenspy007]

So true, and I hear too much about people feeling dizzy after use. I want this to succeed, but still feel it's in infant stages.

[ILostMyMind]

Steps to success:

1 - Make a new PS Move;
2 - Make a bundle with PSVR + Move + Camera for maximum U$ 250.

Enjoy.

[Einhander1971]

PSVR is a new way to experience games I personally love it, I don't expect it to replace conventional gaming I wouldn't want it to either. The games are shorter at the moment because games in VR are better played in shorter bursts.