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What if the Sega Dreamcast Succeeded?

Alex S. from Link-Cable writes: "Welcome to the next installment in our series of ‘what if‘ articles where we try to imagine a world where video game systems that under-performed actually were rousing successes. Last week we took a look at Sega’s 32-bit disaster, the Saturn and for this week… we’re picking on them again. But to be fair, the story of Sega’s final video game console is a lot sadder and less frustrating than the Saturn’s as the Dreamcast was seriously designed with players in mind and was an extremely innovative system in its own right. Unfortunately, the writing was already on the wall and despite a nearly flawless launch and great game lineup the Dreamcast ended up being just that, a fleeting dream. But what if it could have reached its full potential? What kind of world could we be gaming in today?"

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darthv722645d ago

Sega should have just stuck it out instead of pulling out, but it is still getting games to this day so that has to account for something. The homebrew and indie scene are keeping the dream alive and making it more of a success than it was.

FallenAngel19842645d ago

Sega should’ve stuck around with a console that was causing them to go bankrupt?

darthv722645d ago

you do know it wasnt the DC that caused their woes.... right? It was them trying to support 5 platforms at the same time which caused them to spread things real thin. DC was more of a success than Saturn but they pulled the plug way too soon.

FallenAngel19842645d ago

You do know the Dreamcast wasn’t helping them get out of bankruptcy any sooner right?

Especially when you consider

- how rampant piracy was on the console which hurt their and other publishers bottom dollar
- how major third party publishers like EA and Squaresoft didn’t support the system which severely hurt its long term potential
- how Sega dropped the price of the console at a time when they were bleeding funds
- how Sega offered a full rebate worth the price of a Dreamcast when consumers subscribed to 18 months of SegaNet
- how the console fell short of sales expectations a year after it released
- how it had to contend with not only PS1’s and N64’s continued success but the release of PS2 as well.

It got so bad that in 2001 they had to drop the price of Dreamcast to $99.99 and then $49.99 just to eliminate its unsold inventory.

Yes Sega had prior hang ups, but the Dreamcast was the straw that broke the camel’s back.

GamesMaster19822645d ago (Edited 2645d ago )

Well it will always be a success to me as 2 of my best games ever made were created on it Shenmue 1 and 2.

Godmars2902645d ago

FFS - can we *PLEASE* stop getting people who think the gaming industry was made only for them!

GamesMaster19822645d ago (Edited 2645d ago )

At least the Dreamcast had real games not stupid fucking online dick measuring bore fests. That all the soft little pricks who think they are in the army because they have played a online shooter fucking idiots.

ClanPsi12644d ago

I think someone needs to take a break from the internet for a while.

WickedLester2643d ago (Edited 2643d ago )

LOL right? I've always been amused at people who feel the need to carry the flag for a failed/failing console. Like they have some higher perception of what "good" is compared to the masses.

Regardless of Sega's financial situation, it wasn't going to change the Dreamcast's fate. The PS2 was still going to steamroll it (as it should). The PS2 was simply a superior platform, period end of sentence! It was a vastly more capable machine with a library of games that dwarfed Dreamcast's.

I bought a Dreamcast at launch and I enjoyed my time with it. But I'm sorry, once PS2 came out with it's superior graphics, DVD capability, better controller, and built a library of games like Devil May Cry, Onimusha, GTA 3, Tekken Tag Tournament, Kingdom Hearts, FF V, God of War, Gran Turismo 3, Dark Cloud 2, Resident Evil 4, Jak and Dakter, Klonoa, Ratchet and Clank, Sly Cooper, MLB The Show, Shadow of the Colossus, ICO, Twisted Metal Black, etc. That was it! Ballgame! I got my PS2 at launch along with Madden, Tekken Tag Tournament, SSX, and Ridge Racer and I never looked back. The only other time I dusted off my Dreamcast after that point was to play Shenmue 2.

Godmars2902645d ago

Know what?

WHO GIVES A F**K WHAT'S ON OTHER SYSTEMS!

The Dreamcast is where it is, dead 2-3 console gens ago, because Sega f**ked up. Between trying to extend the Genesis with add-ons, dumping Saturn on the market then overproducing Dreamcast before a sales stall they mismanaged themselves out of the market. If they hadn't panicked over Sony and the PS1, if they had just let Genesis die and kept good relation with 3rd parties rather than alienate them with aforementioned Saturn dumping - they'd likely be in MS's position, If not better.

Hell, if they gone one better on CD, supported a media format which was competing with DVD, the industry would very different from what it is now. Two industries. S**t.

Anyway, more pissed that you consider yourself the center of the goddamn universe than the possibility of a softer approach to online gaming, physical media remaining relevant, the industry being forced to stay creative rather than moving to service FPS while becoming addicted to HD. Nevermind Panzer Dragoon becoming a military themed piece of s**t for Kinect.

Yeah, F**k you Sega.

GamesMaster19822644d ago

How the hell do i consider myself the centre of the universe because i liked the Dreamcast ? and 2 of my favorite games were on it. It seems that you are just bitter with a stick up your ass bud.

UltraNova2644d ago

I F**king like this thread, keep it up guys!!!

we4202644d ago

Did SEGA piss in your cereal or something?

Godmars2902644d ago

@we420:
Did you not read my comments - OF COURSE THEY DID!

They mismanaged themselves out of the console market then handed Panzer Dragoon over to MS who can't even do a "spiritual successor" right. Nevermind GamesMaster who calls the Dreamcast a success when it was sent out to fail.

Gunstar752644d ago

Did Sega molest you as a child? Show me on this doll where Sega touched you......

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stonecold32645d ago

if sega stayed and managed to keep dreamcast around for 7 year cycle i think we would have seen another sega console and the dreamcast didnt have to win against the ps2 but could have beaten the xbox and gamecube in its generation sega had top notch game for dreamcast sadley people didnt get beyond it and supported it now look at sega these days they own more ip then microsoft sega need to return microsoft can bow out because they will never be the level of sega

PhoenixUp2645d ago (Edited 2645d ago )

Sega was bleeding money back then. They didn’t have the funds to carry themselves in the hardware space any longer. By March 31, 2002, Sega had five consecutive fiscal years of net losses. They were only able to get out of debt when CSK founder Isao Okawa, before his death in 2001, gave the company a $692 million private donation. Sega even talked to Microsoft about a sale or merger with their Xbox division, but those talks failed. Sega was only truly able to recover when Sammy started buying up the company from 2003-2004.

You speak ill of Microsoft yet seem to not get they have what it takes to survive the long haul. For example the original Xbox lost them $4B yet it got their foot in the industry and they were able to build off its foundation. Sega wouldn’t be able to survive losses like that, and they didn’t have any way to make up that lost revenue either. Microsoft has been far more successful than Sega has been in the hardware industry and by 2019 they’ll have been in the hardware industry for the same 18 year period Sega was in it and exist even longer within it.

So no Microsoft isn't going to exit an industry that they’ve already invested billions of dollars in. That’s ludicrous thinking. It’s even more ridiculous to think Sega would have any reason to re-enter the hardware industry after having so much success as a software publisher.

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ClanPsi12644d ago

I still wish M$ would. It would be best for everyone.

PhoenixUp2643d ago

How would a major hardware manufacturer that can sustain itself in the industry be best for everyone?

That kind of thing would only satisfy fanboys.

FallenAngel19842645d ago

Dreamcast wouldn’t have even lasted long in the 6th gen anyway with its lack of a second analog stick, disc with lower storage space than the competition, and far weaker hardware than the competition.

PhoenixUp2645d ago

“Unfortunately for all its future thinking (the Dreamcast had a built-in modem) it still used CD’s as its media of choice.”

No it didn’t. The Dreamcast used the GD-ROM for its format of games, which has a a 42% increase over a conventional CD's capacity of 700 megabytes.

“The PlayStation 2, Xbox and GameCube were all primarily game systems whose innovations were mostly tied to gameplay and not trying to be more than dedicated consoles.”

Lolwut. That description only applies to GameCube. The PS2 was a multimedia device that allowed you to play DVD movies and listen to music on it from a CD. Xbox also let you watch DVDs but it needed an accessory to do so and it even allowed you to burn music form CDs to its HDD. Sony and Microsoft always marketed their systems as more than just gaming machines.

“However if the Dreamcast had been a success its possible Microsoft would have kept this idea alive and eventually purchased Sega outright, especially if the Dreamcast had been a bigger hit than the Xbox. That means we could have gotten a console that, hypothetically had all of Sega’s IPs like Sonic, Phantasy Star and Crazy Taxi as well as Microsoft’s franchises like Halo AND Rare’s IPs.”

That would’ve be a very grim turn for gaming. Many of Sega’s franchises don’t perform well on Xbox, and we wouldn’t get any of their modern franchises like Valkyria Chronicles or Yakuza.

Plus Microsoft may not even have felt the need to buy Bungie and Rare if they had Sega under their thumb.

“This combined with Sega’s established support from company’s like Namco and Capcom and Microsoft’s relationship with folks like EA and Activision and it’s not unreasonable to imagine that the PlayStation 2 could have had some serious competition if not an outright rival for domination during this generation.”

EA wouldn’t return to a Sega system period after what happened with Saturn. Microsoft was able to foster a relationship with them and Activision because they weren’t connected to Sega.

Plus Sony has better relationships with Namco and Capcom than Sega ever did as well as EA and Activision, so their PS2 still wouldn’t be threatened.

“Ever since Sega bowed out of the console race in 2002”

Sega left the hardware market in March 31, 2001 which is eve before GameCube and Xbox hit the market.

“However, if just a few things had been different the Dreamcast could have been an absolute beast and competed rightfully with not only the Xbox and GameCube but maybe even the lord of all gaming, the PlayStation 2.”

Not a few things, a lot of things would drastically have to be different for it to seriously compete with those consoles. Plus Sega was still suffering from the baggage that the Saturn’s botched launch had caused them to the point some major publishers and retailers wouldn’t stock their future devices.

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thorstein1d 14h ago

The Dreamcast was the biggest gamble and way ahead of its time.

OtterX1d 14h ago

I wish we lived in the Alternate Timeline where Sega was still a dominant force in the console space and it hadn't been Microsoft.

Deeeeznuuuts12h ago

I've always said this, would much prefer SEGA, such a shame.

blacktiger5h ago

this was all part of the plan to give Microsoft the spot

chicken_in_the_corn4h ago

Would be interesting to see what they would do for a modern console.

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darthv721d 11h ago

Saturn was a fantastic piece of kit... they just went a little too ambitious with its dual CPU setup. which turned a lot of developers off (at the time). The homebrew community have done some amazing work many years later, thanks to multichip experience. It is still the best platform for arcade fighters and shmups of all time. Dreamcast is a close 2nd though.

Profchaos1d 1h ago

Yeah it was a interesting decision especially when looking at how dual CPU is considered a root cause of why the Jaguar was a failure.

Also the hardware rendered four sided polygons where the standard was three if they kept with triangle polygons I feel the systems development would have been easier to work with and we would have seen more third party ports in the west.

I think it was a victim of its time more than anything it saw huge success in Japan but the leadership and internal turmoil in the west meant games were not getting localised along with a focus on arcade like games were the PlayStation and later the N64 were pushing more in depth experiences over coin munching high score driven games.

Knightofelemia1d 9h ago

I still enjoy my Saturn it was the first console I mowed lawns for and saved up for to purchase. I went so far as to purchase a used Saturn to run off an SD card. I even have a second Dreamcast modded to run off an SD card as well.

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Pergele17d ago

I never even got past the first level in Ecco the Dolphin.

VJGenova17d ago

Unless we're talking loops 3+, contra does not belong on this list. Loop one I've done without losing a life.

And yes I am extremely biased as contra, super C and Contra 3: the alien wars are three of my favorite games.

Add punch out, Fester's Quest, Blaster Master, Solomon's key, and adventure island.

I cannot beat battletoads, Solomon's key or adventure island even with emulators and save states.