Hideki Kamiya reveals the history that led Bayonetta 3 to be greenlighted as a Nintendo Switch exclusive and explains his goals for the project.
the series was doomed alltogether by becoming Nintendo Exclusive, i was hoping that Platinum after Nier would have got theirselves together but i was wrong ....on PS4 would have far greater appeal and potential for continuation
Yeah okay lmao
Appeal is not based on the system its for, its based on if the game is good. The game is good therefore it appeals to those who like it. People who dont have a switch, and like this game, will likely pick up a switch to play it.
The series wouldn't exist at all if it wasn't for Nintendo tho...
Aww so salty ... The series was better with 2 and 3 will be awesome
Well I'm not too sure if I could say all that . Without Nintendo the series very likely was not even going to continue to exist. So the way I see it it's better to have this exists somewhere else then not have it exist at all. Trust me I don't disagree that the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One would have far greater appeal for a series like this, but the way Sega has this deal with Nintendo it makes sense for both parties. Nintendo flips the bill for development, Sega makes money off of the software sales. It's a win win. Though I wish this was on PlayStation 4 I'm happy it exist at all. I trust SEGAs on this choice.
@edmix, Sega is no longer publisher of this game after the 1st one on PC, PS3 and 360. Nintendo stepped up and became publisher for the port as well as the sequel on WiiU and is the publisher for the Switch versions as well. And seeing as Nintendo helped PG out with continuing this game then maybe they can get with PG about another game that was unjustly canceled.... Scalebound. Just because MS stepped away doesnt mean that PG scrapped all the assets. Nintendo could make a deal to publish that for the Switch as well.
doomed altogether? what are you talking about.... I havent seen a single bad review for Bayonetta 2, everyone loved it. So far for being doomed If it wasn't Nintendo stepping up then the IP would actually have been doomed altogether, meaning there wouldnt have been a sequel whatsoever. You are basically saying: all good exclusive games from every 3rd party company should be exclusively on ps4 because it has the largest install base....idiot
@darth Sega not being affiliated? Read the article before you comment.....
Platinum is unreliable at this point when it comes to honoring franchises. They'll put one game out on consoles then the sequel or spiritual successor out on other platforms. I would have preferred that they make their game available to as many players as possible that loved the original bayo and helped make it a success.
"I would have preferred that they make their game available to as many players as possible that loved the original bayo and helped make it a success." @gamer, in a perfect world such things would likely occur but this is a case where it is not up to the developer but the publisher to decide. PG is the developer and is contracted to do a job and the publisher decides who gets the finished product. Sega was the publisher for the 1st game and had already green lit the sequel but then something happened at Sega so Nintendo came to the rescue. Nintendo became the publisher and as such they published it for their platform. Sometimes it is just that simple.
I rather have no Bayonetta 3 or 2 if it’s exclusive for Switch. There shouldn’t be a Nintendo version. The series should have stayed at B1 if it couldn’t be made for real current gen platforms. The pacing and direction B2 took was bad. Forgettable bosses and fighting the same two enemies. Level design was bad. Fight two enemies in mario type platform and then fight the same-feel boss on a mario type platform. And lastly but not least is the graphics aren’t gonna leap. B3 will look B1. Disappointing. And as a Bayonetta 1 fan the series should ended at 1 you can’t make a proper sequel.
While it is true that without Nintendo's support the series would've not continued, or so the devs have said. It is logical that multiplatform options would be more beneficial for PG revenue wise and the series would get much more exposure. It is very hard to debated that.
@mikeslemonade As a Bayonetta fan you wish the series ended after the first game? Sounds like you aren't much of a fan...
So doomed on Nintendo it got a 3rd game...
@naruga/mikeslemonade I hope your feelings get better soon.
No, I won't darthv72. I love this series and always have and I am really disappointed to see it becoming a dulled down exclusive for the switch. But hey, fun for the ones that like that kinda thing? I will not buy a Switch, to play this game, no matter how much i like the series. There's streaming for that and they will not get my money.
@darth- "Sega is no longer publisher of this game" ??? Huh? Ok.. where did you read that I said they were? My comments regarding Sega are that Sega own the intellectual property. And regarding something like scalebound I don't even believe that would be up to Platinum Games because to my understanding Microsoft game studio owns that intellectual property. I'm sure that Platinum Games could still release a concept similar to scalebound, but they would not actually legally be able to use the exact assets, Microsoft game studios would actually sue them, technically that is the property of Microsoft game studios. Trust me I get what you're saying in the respect that they had a spiritual successor but no they could not use the exact assets unless they would love a healthy lawsuit by Microsoft. Also Platinum Games does not own the Bayonetta intellectual property so technically speaking Nintendo would making the deal with Sega. Not PG. Platinum Games would be contracted after the fact which actually means if Sega and Nintendo wanted to make Bayonetta four or five they technically could get any Studio they felt like it if Platinum Games declined. So technically the game is contract it out to Platinum Games Nintendo is publishing and funding Sega owns the intellectual property. Nintendo publishing does not mean that Sega is not involved as that doesn't really make any sense because a publisher can publish a game they actually legally do not own Microsoft actually published multiple Gears of War Games despite not owning the property until actually recently. Microsoft also published Mass Effect despite not owning the IP That really isn't a brand new practice. Because the way your wording it it sounds like you're not entirely sure to what capacity Sega is involved lol Again you could publish something you do not legally own. You actually could look up legally who owns the actual intellectual property and it is actually still listed under Sega as such an acquisition would be huge and couldn't even be kept a secret based on simple legal issues with stockholders they would never be able to withhold something like that from the public. Lol
Sony, Microsoft, Sega, EA, Konami, everybody = none of them saw a future for Bayonetta. Did they let you down? Yes but the thing is they don't care. They never saw Bayonetta as a profitable long term IP. Nintendo did. It isn't on PS4 because Sony rejected it. Why can't you accept this explanation? They aren't #4theplayers. They are a business and didn't see Bayonetta as part of their business.
I already have a PS4/X1. I really don't want to buy a 3rd console to play this game.
SEGA owns the IP, but not sure if they are actually helping much on the game other than allowing Nintendo/Platinum to make the game.
@teh- Sega clearly saw a future in the property clearly to own it legally. @Neo- correct, that's how I'm seeing it. Sega likely is simply the middleman and this is simply a business deal for them as it's simply looking like Nintendo is publishing and funding and Platinum Games is contracted to create the game. Sega.... collect a check lol I mean if they were not going to fund it and publish it themselves I don't think they're going to be opposed to Nintendo spending the money. I think this deal is a win-win for everybody involved because I think many fans need to understand I don't actually believe this game was ever going to exist if Nintendo did not want to flip the bill. If you look at Vanquish you're not seeing a bunch of sequels come out of the woodwork and that game did just as good as Bayonetta. I simply think Sega did not get the return that they were looking for in regards to the money that they spending especially considering it was releasing for multiple platforms. With this arrangement Nintendo is publishing and funding, Platinum Games is developing, so it's low risk for Sega. I don't think people realize or taking into consideration how cautious this company is it takes them a long time just to localize the Yakuza games, they are very careful they are very meticulous and they are very conservative as a company and they're not going to continue to keep taking huge risk. Bayonetta to Sega is not a huge risk when there is a company looking to fund and publish the entire project. I think some Gamers seriously need to realize that there is a chance that this series was never even going to continue without Nintendo wanting the property in their lineup. This very much simply could have been another Vanquish. Although of course I would definitely want a Bayonetta made from the ground-up to take advantage of PlayStation 4 and Xbox One, but at the end of the day foremost we kind of still need the damn game to exist in the first place lol
I could see Nintendo making a play for Vanquish. In fact... I hope they do.
@darthv72 "And seeing as Nintendo helped PG out with continuing this game then maybe they can get with PG about another game that was unjustly canceled.... Scalebound. Just because MS stepped away doesnt mean that PG scrapped all the assets. Nintendo could make a deal to publish that for the Switch as well." You have no idea what you´re talking about. Bayonetta is SEGA´s IP! Nier is SQUARE ENIX´s IP! SCALEBOUND IS MICROSOFT´s IP! You´ll never see a Scalebound game which Microsoft and Xbox is not envolved!
@naruga "the series was doomed alltogether by becoming Nintendo Exclusive, i was hoping that Platinum after Nier would have got theirselves together but i was wrong" You ARE wrong! Kamyia or Platinum has no say in this matter! Bayonetta is a SEGA IP and SEGA choose NINTENDO as partners since NINTENDO was the only company which actually give a f*** about Bayonetta. Sony and Microsoft choose to let the Bayonetta 2 project to die and rot, so screw them! Mad props for Nintendo to belive in Bayonetta! [email protected]#% Sony and Microsoft!
@ _-Edmix-_ Them owning the franchise has nothing to do with what I said. I said you blame the company that refused to budge for a PS4 release. It was shopped around to a point where they needed to go exclusive. Both had their chance and both missed it. Why people just can't admit they personally believe Sony and Microsoft were stupid is beyond me. But they think they weren't. Now why don't you come out and say it. YOU think Sony were stupid in rejecting it. Microsoft actually proved their stupidity by cancelling the game they rejected Bayonetta 2 for.
idk about doomed, but you can’t despute that it would have done far better on ps4. the switch’s market isn’t even targeted at the people who would normally buy bayonetta. there’s no doubt it would a better game overall had it been a ps4 exclusive over a nintendo one.
Series was doomed by Sega after the first. If it weren't for Nintendo, it wouldn't be a series anymore @zab How is the game getting dulled down? Each successive release has come out on more powerful hardware than the last. It may not do as much as it could on other systems, but hardware wise, it can still improve upon the last
"but i was wrong " Well that shouldn't be surprising because you're pretty much always wrong. Like, always.
And the Sony Fanboys come out in droves. Idiots. Why hate on a game that Nintendo paid for? So when 3rd party games aren't on PS, ya'll say it's horrible that the developer was funded by Nintendo and that they should have made it on PS4.... Then you say Nintendo sucks because they don't have 3rd party exclusives and no "Adult" games. Yet you criticize. Then you say it is a disservice to the fans? What, the fans that never bought the original? You people lack logic. Thank God there are some people on here who aren't so biased and stupid.
I rather not have the game at all if it's on the switch
I didn’t know Bayonetta 1 was originally going to be an Xbox 360 exclusive. Sega made the right call later making it multiplatform
It is believable with how big a difference there was in the quality between the two versions.
Not sure why the disagrees. Its because Bayonetta was designed from the ground up for the more GPU intensive 360. Even with all the work they put into fixing the PS3 version, it still doesnt look or feel nearly as good. Its not like PS3 isnt more powerful, just that its running a game that never considered the PS3's strengths. You can see the opposite scenario with another Platinum game Vanquish, where PS3 was lead platform.
^^This is new information for me. I thought the reason Bayo 1 was horrid on the PS3 was simply incompetence. Had no idea it was originally built from the ground up on the 360. I actually ended up selling my PS3 version towards another game. The screen tearing on that game was unnacceptable IMO.
good call but bad optimization for the PS3 version. with the end result... they should have just stayed with the 360 one.
VGC (though that's about as good as we have), put the sales of the first game as highest on the PS3 (with it selling 45k in Japan on the 360 Day 1 vs the PS3's 93k - as reported by The Sixth Axis). So keeping it 360 exclusive would have been a mistake.
Ok... I don't know why you only focused on JP when the game did better in NA and EU. It sold better on the PS3 in EU (.40m vs .25m) and it sold better on the 360 in NA (.51m vs .44m). The game was okay on the PS3 but the 360 is what it was initially built for so it ran best on that. Even the WiiU version ran better than the PS3 but not as good as the 360.
I didn't just focus on Japan. I told you that it did better, overall, on the PS3 than the 360, and thus, omitting the former wouldn't have been a wise business move (only stating that it did better in Japan on the PS3 week 1 - as a means to further my point). Regardless of where it "ran better". In this regard, that's irrelevant to commercial performance.
it was bad at the start, but the patch the released after a while made it a lot better though.
Look what he said on twitter ign playing bayonetta loool he said they cant play shit 😂😂
Glad it's a switch exclusive, no need to get upset 😭 the PS4 has plenty of great games get over it.
Then you won't have any issues with other companies keeping 3rd Party franchises exclusive to their platforms.
Nintendo basically bought bayonetta. Cry harder. Anyway that argument looks dumb coming from sony fanboys because typically most of you want every game exclusive to playstation anyway because you shun the rest of the industry. Helps with the insecurity or something.
Sometimes, like the case with Bayonetta, a company agrees to fund the development of a game in return for exclusivity on their platform of choice. A studio like PG for example relies on those funds to create their games. Bayonetta 2 would have been canceled if not for Nintendo, and I'm assuming a third game was part of the deal they struck. At the end of the day, Nintendo were the only guys who had enough faith in the series to actually put money behind it.
Not if it's the only way the game would've been made in the first place.
I don't mind it being exclusive though playing it on Nintendo just seems odd to me. But whatever. I'm getting it so no complaint. But you saying that means you can never ask for a Switch Port of any game on another console like all the switch guys in every single article of anything in existence. It's actually annoying despite me having switch. The begging is out of hand. I'm not saying you're begging like the others. Just saying you would be contradicting yourself if you support that
If portability is your thing, every game is better on the Switch. Can't play my PS4 games in my hand while my son is watching Thomas DVDs. Unless I resort to using a Vita but the Switch experience is far better than the Vita remote play experience.
@NotoriousWhiz - amen to that.. The Vita also cramps my hands after playing for a while.
Ps4 and Switch are the combo to have.
That's a shame, Bayonetta 2 and 3 would perform much better on the two current home console systems, PS4 and XBox One. Bayonetta 3 will need to be heavily scaled down in terms of textures, frame rate, and resolution to run on the Switch.
and? you got a problem witht that?
what a shame that all nintendo IP's are on nintendo only, they would have much better textures and frame rate on ps4 and xb1..... /s Dont talk about frame rate btw, Nintendo is king of that, all their games run silky smooth 60 fps unlike some other companies games.
As much as that comment is ridiculous. This isn't a game Nintendo made, and it's not a silky smooth game on WiiU. Nor was Zelda a good framerate game. Gravity Rush 2 even when intentionally trying to stress the game held a near perfect rate. Horizon holds near perfect. It's only really games with basic textures and aren't heavy on resources that they do that for. But again, it's Platinum not nintendo, they make games that run 60fps not games that are locked at 60fps
Didnt play botw so cant comment on that one. but u list one ps4 exclusive that is near perfect....wow..... I can basically list whole of nintendo's 1st party games that run without a hitch... Yes some games dont have he best 4k textures or whatever, but you cant argue that their games still look good. Even for example that yoshi game, while I didnt like the game itself it looks stunning. I don't really care if it has the best textures ever, aesthetics > textures all day of the week, if you get the best of the best textures along with it thats a bonus. But look for example what they pumped out with mario kart 8 on wii u, it looked better than most xb1 ps4 games because they know how to make games look good without requiring an insane ammount of horse power without any drops in frames. and if its textures that you want the best of the best textures you shouldnt even look at consoles. yes exactly its not a game nintendo made, else it would have no frame drops at all. You can have different opinions about if a game looks good or not, but when it comes to polish, debugging and steady fps nintendo is king of the 3.
Heavily scaled down from what? The game was made for the Switch in the first place. I'll take Bayonetta 3 anywhere I want, and the game is not out, so you have no clue what framerate its at
Well then blame those two other console makers for not funding Bayonetta while Nintendo did
Would of been nice to see her in checkerboard 4k.
..maybe they should have coughed up the cash then ..¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>Bayonetta 3 will need to be heavily scaled down in terms of textures, frame rate, and resolution to run on the Switch. The gpu alone has better performance than the WiiU, so what downgrade?
The Wii U was a poorly designed, underpowered, feature-lacking system. It was entirely built around the expensive, unappealing gamepad gimmick, making the base console unable to handle games well at all. Saying that the Switch has a better GPU isn't saying much, when the bar was originally set so low.
scaled down compared to what? You have nothing to compare it to. It will look better than the Wii U version of Bayonetta 2 which is all we have to go by.
"setting the bar low" Bayonetta 2 is a superb game and the WiiU didn't hold it back. You're missing the point.
It better be at least 1080p. 720p in 2018 is some BS, especially coming from a system that cost $300.
if bayonetta 1&2 were made on older hardware and didnt even run 1080.You think this one will?Yea i doubt its gonna run it at 1080.
The system costs $300 cause you can take it anywhere you want and the Joy Con Tech. Not because of its graphical power.
It’s called the switch for a reason. They wanted to have the best of both worlds, so let’s not give any passes for gimping the tv console side of it. Now if it runs at a higher resolution on a tv then great.