Yesterday we informed you about the scandals of Quantic Dream, the studio responsible for Detroit: Become Human for PS4. Regarding this issue, two employees of Quantic Dream defend the studio and call lies on these allegations
Even the Quantic Dream current employees are pretty piss off about this new. Even that, it’s just that questionable why the heck someone take way too long to tell the truth. Like what ? Five years ? Again, if the person is guilty, it have to send the court, not blaming someone on internet. What funny is that I see this more and more often. Now I don’t know these allegations are true or false , but it’s seem like people just spamming and want to get attention.
The journalist following article is full of it. He compares gamers supporting QD to gamergaters. http://mobile.lemonde.fr/pi... https://t.co/9I1kxgvT4q Edit: he's probably hoping to get a few hate mails so he shows off something next article because this one is quite.poor (even if it's enough to manipulate a non gamer audience with gaming character shown naked omg/s)
Seriously ? Why someone would do that ? I can’t believe this.
Oh great. Now he is quoting posts from gaming forums to back himself up. Wow.
People don't work really hard for some internet scam to come along and use them to get hits by forging a scandal for and acting like they are breaking something. But to they truns on gamers by invoking gamergate?
GG is a punching bag for anything journalists dont like. has been for years. dont be fooled, its a classic smear tactic also remember the original gamergate exposed some dirty laundry of the media and the media didnt like it, so they've been smearing it ever since
Absolutely deplorable. The lengths these slimeball journalists will go for a story. Oh, excuse me, I shouldn't be calling him a journalist. He's a slimeball, period.
@UCForce Because game journalists were the enemy of gamergate. They didn't like the idea of a group holding them to account, so they labeled them sexists/racist/bigot, etc. In that regard, it actually is similar to gamergate, in that gamers are demanding honesty from journalists rather than propaganda.
LOL He says it like GamerGaters were in the wrong when the whole thing started to focus on journalist ethics and shady going ons with the indie competition Zoe was apart of. Only they turned it into a sexist thing because it was the best way to cover their tracks and make people disbelieve their claims. ANYWAY we all know the story here so I won't dabble on it. But yeah that's what it's become now...disagree with anything and they use it as a way of trying to silence you or making you look bad while they make their side look like the "right one". "Hey better believe me or else you'll be a bunch of racist, sexist, transphobic, homophobic, sexual predator Nazis"
@Fox What makes me smile but in a sad way, is I feel he describes gamergates as 'challenging to the press' as if that was something ugly and somehow pertaining to that group of people.
Comparing QD to gamergaters really speaks volumes about how intellectually dishonest that journalist is. Ironically it's the beta male feminist allies that appear to be actual sexual predators.
What's wrong with gamergaters is my question. Gamergate was about calling for journalistic integrity from the gaming press. I guess he wasn't on board for people wanting that. If he thought gamer gate was something else, it calls all his credibility into question, because he obviously got caught up in the hype of it being made into something else by the same media that didn't want all the negative attention on them. Either way, he just threw any credibility out the window by trying to pull the gamergater card, because the truth is, most gamers that would be reading all this stuff, or care about this particular story to begin with, probably actually were for journalistic integrity, so likely were gamergaters, even if they didn't realize it. @Foxtrot Maybe when these journalist try to use gamergate to discredit any dissent, we should ask them why they had a problem with people asking for journalist to remain ethical. Then see if they explain what they think GG was, and when they get it wrong, ask them how they can call themselves a journalist if they don't even care to get the story right. Maybe it's time GG comes back and starts to call people to account that try and disparage against a complaint that gamers have had since the beginning of last gen when the gaming press decided to go the tabloid route, instead of just being a service for the reader to provide gaming news, reviews, and compelling articles for discussion. I think if the gaming press, and others are not happy with the current state of the community, it's time to look at what spurs on discussion. That's the press, and they are 100% on board with pitting the community against one another.
Wow, this journalist basically tipped his hand too soon as he compared gamers supporting QD to GGers. His ignorance of what GG was all about is probably indicative of his integrity, in general.
Damn this guy has no shame whatsoever. I hope QD sues him for all he's got. Where's my buddy Septic at?
well.. timing doesn't necessarily mean anything. Sometimes people feel threatened or are afraid to come forward for whatever reason. We have seen it plenty of times recently with all the sexual harrassment claims coming out of hollywood. So just saying it's been a few years isn't enough of a reason to discount it. Although it definitely does beg the question as to why it took so long. It is a he said / they said sort of situation so we may never know the actual truth here.
Even the problem is that this getting way too ridiculous that people going to accuse everyone for being guilty on internet. Like literally. Way back then, it was simple to see who is guilty and who is innocent thank to the court. But now, people accuse other on Internet. Again, people really need to talk to the court.
@UCForce - agreed. It's easy to sling words around and hide behind them with no accountability. If this person is in fact lying, then they need to think about the damage they could cause in regards to the public view of Quantic. Sadly there are too many keyboard warriors nowadays.
It's 2018 and it's great that people are stepping up and speaking out about being wronged. But Hollywood is full of Hypocrites and people's lives are getting ruined left and right. There are many people who deserve to be held accountable. All these allegations need to be fact. We can't live in a society where we are allowing people to control each other by fear. If there's a problem then people need to speak up and resolve it as a community. There's a lot of liars that have their own malicious intent when it comes to these allegations. Which is horrible for both the people affected by their lies and others who are not lying but now or drowned out in the hundreds of allegation cases. And it really pisses me off to see Meryl Streep up on stage talking so much trash about so many people when she is great friends with Roman Polanski who can't even be in America because he's a child molester. And how they would still give some awards for his movies. His credibility is not affected whatsoever by his actions. That just blows my mind. There is zero accountability.
The problem really isn't that it took so long for someone to come forward, as that's not uncommon at all. The problem is is that the reports about the allegations are often pushed out much too hastily, and without enough research to really have the issue handled correctly. The report itself is more damaging to the company, and it really doesn't matter if the story is true or not. The company may not face any legal consequence.....which they wouldn't regardless unless the complainants went that route instead of to the press....but their image is tarnished. IMO, more responsibility should be taken by any member of the press who wishes to pursue these stories. Innuendo is not news, or any form of hard hitting journalism. It'd be one thing for the press to report on a legal case that was filed or in progress, but it's quite another to try and make a story like this without crossing all the T's and dotting all the I's. When I read the original LaMonde report, it left me with a lot of questions....even without the poor google translation....and to me, if a report causes more questions than it answers, then it's not a good report at all. I would like to speak on accountability though. While it's actually easy to say whatever you want on the internet, or the press to report whatever they want, it's actually not legal to say slanderous or libelous things. If this isn't true, then QD is within it's rights to sue for compensation. If some act was performed to manufacture evidence(the pictures for instance), then that's actually criminal. Sadly, slander and libel laws just aren't pursued enough, so a lot of people get away with saying things that aren't true. The internet has exasberbated the issue, as it's enabled pretty much everyone to have a voice, and in some way be recognized. It doesn't take much to cause a scandal, but by the time the reaction is done, the damage is done. The follow up where those wrongly accused are vindicated rarely gets the kind of attention in the press beyond a retraction, buried deep in the back pages, and even if it got more press, it wouldn't have anywhere near the same attention. Even now, you see people saying those that work at the studio defending them being said to not be credible, but apparently, the person that made the original complain is 100% believable. It really shows that people just want to hate, and don't really care about the facts or knowing the truth. That's what the press used to be for. To get to the truth. Get past all the lies and misdirection. To actually present stories in ways that were cohesive and understandable. They just don't do that much anymore.
Waitaminute, when this first came out weren't you one of the first ones to tell Sony to get rid of Cage? Now you don't know who to believe?
Because i was confused and frustrated at night when I hear this. So I took a sleep for hours to refresh myself. After that, I have to read the article twice and it getting more questionable to be honest. People at QD are very angry about this “allegation”.
"Because i was confused and frustrated at night when I hear this." My advice, take a break from gaming for a minute. Because if this news frustrates and confuses you then it is definitely time to have an outside vacation. Enjoy the games not the drama.
In this day and age people expect people to step down after a frikkn allegation too. What a BS society this is. Automatically jumping on a side with nothing other than an accusation is not the right way. You bring ALL parties involved and you make sure its true and not some fake pre planned thing just because someone is salty
Totally this. The placard brigade and the press love nothing more than a head on a stick. It feeds their power. "look what WE did", "WE showed that company good"! Reporters are like, "a guy from your post room said something racist when he was twelve. Will the CEO be resigning"?!
Sadly this is way too true. During gamergate, there were people who got fired because of a twitter post that wasn't even malicious. All it takes is a few people to rile others up, and permanently affect other people's lives in a bad way. While I don't have empathy for those that are actually guilty of bad things, I do feel that one mistake isn't a terminal offense, nor should people try, or even expect, that person to face irreparable damage to their reputation and job potential because some people were upset, despite the matter likely never actually affecting them directly. It's not to say that there aren't some thing which do deserve such harsh consequences, but nothing as mundane as some twitter post that is hardly offensive, or just expressing a dissenting opinion. The fact that so many people can't recognize the line between actual harassment and someone just saying some rude things is more concerning, and I feel the internet has made people feel that their feelings are more important than anything else in the world.
"What funny is that I see this more and more often. Now I don’t know these allegations are true or false , but it’s seem like people just spamming and want to get attention." UCFORCE Exactly my point, All baseless allegations imo, If the person who put forwarded this allegations are true why not approach the court instead of using the Internet to seek attention and play the victim card... This type of news are cliched now...
@Caesar, According to reports, 5 previous employees have made these allegations and they have also shown proof which can be viewed. The reason they don’t go to court is because the alleged toxic environment wasn’t necessarily illegal or they weren’t confident they could meet the burden of proof to show it was a crime. That doesn’t make the actions or environment “ok”. If you look at the reports, this does look like there are credible witnesses and proof to back up claimes. There is also an actual investigation as well. https://www.google.com/amp/...
Even the company knows BS when it happen
What? You mean there are other sides to this story? Shocking!
Yeah, it was even reported in the original report. Other employees of the company were interviewed, and most said they were satisfied with the company. Easy to ignore that to focus on the scandal, instead of what is actually going on.
i'm thinking we need to enhance employment laws for the age of social media mobs. maybe something along the lines of if you are terminated for UNPROVEN allegations, you have a wrongful termination case. cowardly employers who fire at the whiff of controversy will then be able to hide behind the law, saying they will take action pending an investigation or whatever im sure its not perfect, but its better than the mob justice we are increasingly seeing
Yeah, I agree. This is getting ridiculous.
I think you'll find this is already the case is most developed nations. Firing without cause is wrongful termination.
I mean, I would be surprised if there wasn't already something like that on the books. Probably just hard to pursue, and expensive.
there may well be, but the way people seem to get fired after just an accusation, i wonder.. its difficult to control the social media mob, so i think we need to make it harder to enact mob justice
Technically, if you are fired over false accusations, it is wrongful termination. It doesn't matter the source, or the venue with which those allegations come from. However, to really pursue such a case, one would have to actually prove the allegations untrue, which often requires a libel or slander civil case, which is more often than not pursued. Of course, each state in the US has different laws pertaining to rights of employment. I believe the EU countries actually have rather extensive laws pertaining to work, as most of it is considered contract type labor, but without the actual contract.
Innocent till proven guilty I say.
Well, I could say that. But it’s seem these days, people blaming everyone on internet.
Oh...what genuine concern and understanding of the situation, acusations and the rebuttle!.... Let’s make end-user concern comenties without knowing squat!
Lemme guess...this is proof that all allegations were made up? Well I guess we're done here N4G 😂
You're all over this man, What's your problem? Is it a console war thing with you or what?
I'm all over it? Look at the comments above. I find people's stance on this hilarious. Carry on though. The jury on here has already made its mind up 😊
Don’t freaking laugh about this. What if someone who falsely accuse you ? I’m not saying you doing anything wrong, but it’s seem people want blame everyone on internet. Way back then, it was easy to see who is innocent and who is guilty thank to the court. But now, it’s getting ridiculous.
" Way back then, it was easy to see who is innocent and who is guilty thank to the court. But now, it’s getting ridiculous." What?
Let me guess, your animus against Sony is proof of anything. Should proof be required? Nope, I guess is all gamergate right. And I guys they aren't allowed to defend themselves. We don't auto hate people on demand. If you can't deal with that its time for you to retire your crusade.
Wtf are you on about? Have I blamed QD? "We don't auto hate people on demand" Bullshit.
"We don't auto hate people on demand" Unless it's Aaron Greenberg, then all bets are off.
There is no proof of harassment and you already know you can't disprove something that doesn't exist. So what is this proof of? Crusade away...
remember.. the burden of proof is on the claiment.
septic no sir i am sure sony and QD will look at everything and make proper changes/improvements but when are you gonna stop hating on sony/ps4? your comments are always negative about playstation if you hate a console that much why comment my man just enjoy xbox, switch or pc
Wtf are you on about? I didn't even mention PS4?
It's about as much proof as the original report was. Or are you not willing to have both sides of the story known? Is the person who made the original complaint the only one to be believed? Why would current employees be less valid than the former ones? If enough of them came out and said the original story was BS, would that be enough?
Septic is here to throw fuel on the fire. That is all. He just stirs up shit.
It calls the validity of the initial allegations into question because now, there are conflicting stories. And because the burden of proof falls on the people who made the initial claims, the accusers need to show the evidence. This is why we operate on "innocent until proven guilty" instead of "guilty until proven innocent".
We didn't need an Indigo Prophecy to know the Heavy Rain of accusations were bullshit and Beyond: Two Souls of reputable stature already dispelled them from Paris to Detroit: Become Human and realize it was just a Quantic Dream...
Unfortunately do to social media we live in an era of blame translating into automatic guilt, far too many people have lost their jobs and reputations simply from nothing more than unsubstantiated and unproven accusations. I know it isn't popular these days but I still stand by the innocent until proven guilty ideology, guess I'm old school that way.
Nothing going on? Well, let's create some controversy. Some people lives are that boring and pathetic they gotta strive on negativity to survive. Just walking bags of excretion.
Liberalism is a disease. It's started to infect the movie industry and the way people make them (Star Wars:The Last Jedi) and now it's starting to infiltrate our games. You can't even joke around at work, or anywhere anymore. You can't walk down the street and look anyone's way for fear of them feeling harassed or objectified. Liberal snowflakes will not be happy until everyone is as miserable they are. No joking, no laughter. Just look straight ahead and do your job for 8+ hours until time to go home. The beginning of the end.
I don't think the term ''liberal'' even applies here anymore. All this recent thought police, listen & believe crap is limiting peoples ''liberty'' more than anything. I really wonder when this is going to stop, if it is ever going to stop. If not, we're heading straight into 1984.
Nice rant that has absolutely nothing to do with the article....
WTF are you talking about? There's two ex employees who are claiming they were subjected to a racist and sexist environment. Everything I said has something to do with the article.
I hear those conservatives on Fox news who seem offended at everything the liberals say, so I doubt this is a partisan issue.
This isn't liberalism. It's authoritarianism.
I'll take their word until there is some actual proof to show all these allegations are true.
There is “proof” if you look it up. Some of the images can be seen reposted from the company servers. I’m not sure it is Quantics fault, but they did nothing to stop it. I can’t think of many places where HR let’s employees distribute pornagraphic images even without cut and pasting other employees heads on them. It shouldn’t be to hard to see how this can lead to a toxic work environment.
I need to see these images you speak of.
Google “quantic dream scandal” and you will see multiple stories covering it. I really don’t want to link to pornographic images. Allegedly over 600 exist, but you can see some samples that have been posted. This is a credible story from what I have seen.
Can't take any claims of racism or sexism seriously. Either the millennial generation being weak and crying at name calling or the "victim" gets found to be a liar. Take your pick.