How Sony Messed Up its TGS Presence

Kombo writes: For years, the Tokyo Game Show has been the one show on the calendar you can bet Sony is going to put on a performance. Okay, they may have had a few issues in the past (overheating PS3s) but in general, TGS is their best show of the year. They nearly always headline the keynote and usually announce something or other. This year, however, I can't help but feel that Sony isn't trying.

[Genesis5]

What a whiner. Sony owns about 10% of SE. They know whats going on between Square and MS I'm sure they have some say in the board room. Anything you hear from the media is pure speculation. I read the MS key note live blog. What did they do that was so amazing? Beside setting up a booth right beside SE. There is still a couple of days left to go. Let just see what happens.

[wazborn]

10 percent is still not enough to control the company.. if it was that important i am sure we wont see FFXIII on 360, or SO4 on xbox360 or IU exclusive.. blah blah...

so who ever is holding the lion share of SE calls the shots and obviously want to make cash from the 360s base ... if u ever look at interview with the developers of SO4 and IU they said they never imagined ever doing anything for the 360... so the must be a big guy callin the shots somewhere and is sure not Sony..

[Genesis5]

As user Says You below pointed out it is about 19% still not enough to control the company. Though I would imagine it gives them a good return on their investment if SE sells a lot of games.

[CrazzyMan]

After 4 weeks x360 sales are going below 8k, with having 2 jrpgs and price cut.
i won`t be suprised, when next week x360 sales will be around 5k.

More over, i won`t be suprised, that on October 30th PS3 sales will be around 100k, thnx just to LBP and GT5P bundles.

Anyway:
October 11th (Saturday)
12:00 - 12:30 PLAYSTATION®3
Little big planet Live Performance Show

13:00 - 13:30 PLAYSTATION®3×NARUTO -[NARUTO]
Super Ninja Session

14:00 - 14:30 PLAYSTATION®3
Little big planet Live Performance Show

15:00 - 15:30 LEVEL5 vs PS3®
White Knight Story Special Session

16:00 - 16:30 PLAYSTATION®3×SEGA
History of Yakuza 3!

October 12th (Sunday)
11:30 - 12:00 PLAYSTATION®3×KONAMI
METAL GEAR SOLID 4 - The Global Challenge-

12:30 - 13:00 PLAYSTATION®3
Little big planet Live Performance Show

14:00 - 14:45 PLAYSTATION®3×CAPCOM
BIOHAZARD 5 Director's Session
Rearrangement ticket admission system (above age restriction 17 year old)

16:00 - 16:45 PLAYSTATION®3×SQUARE ENIX
FINALFANTASY XIII Premiere Live
Rearrangement ticket admission system

ALL ARE HIGH QUALITY GAMES.

[mikeslemonade]

As far as hype it's certainly lower this year, but what does hype really add. Lets say annouce a few games those won't be coming out any time soon and it's not like in 2009 there's no games coming out.

[Lanoire]

Im starting to think that there was an error in translation. Famitsu first announced it. IGN and other sites picked it up. But did anyone bother to check the translation?

Perhaps it wasnt 11 IP announcements but just 11 announcements.
In which case Sackboy Snake and Sephiroth also count as announcements.

Clearly then we would have seen all 11 by now.

1) Sackboy Snake
2) Sackboy Sephiroth
3) LBP bundle
4) Ragdoll Kung fu
5) Quantum theory
6) Demons soul
7) Noby noby noby
8) Horse race manager
9) Linger in Shadow
10) Infamous announced for Asian territories?????
11) Dress????? Dress was announced back in Sept 2007. So this cant be it. Or maybe it was the secret SE live demo announcement?

PSP
1) Undead knights
2) adventure game from SCEJ
3) adventure game from SCEJ

Thats it then? I agree, a little disappointing.

But a quick look at the soon to be released games, makes me forget about this stupid rumor in the first place...

[tocrazed4you]

Tgs aint over yet. Second off they have game showings with square enix on the 11th day of TGS, third off the only reason why sony doesn't have the rpg games is because they are investing money into their own first parties while microsoft is dishing out cash for ps3's exclusive.
Its funny in a way how lems say ohhh xbox 360 got the best games yet we want ps3's exclusive games.

[avacadosnorkel]

and regardless of how MS gets them...the 360 has the games you obviously want for the PS3, judging from your final line.

[juuken]

Sony knew this was going to happen. They knew 3rd party exclusivity was going to die out sooner or later so that's why they heavily invested in 1st party.

They spent their money wisely.

[Palodios]

It really doesn't matter if there is a good reason why we aren't seeing any ps3 rpgs, because, we aren't seeing any. Seriously, the big announcement is an exclusive fps from tecmo, a company that has no fps experience? Seriously, whatever Sony's obsession with shooter games is, it needs to stop.

[poet215]

I definitely agree with U! I'm ready to see a diverse library such as PS1 & PS2's were. The hell with all these FPS games. Enough already! Maybe I'm old school, but I'm starving for some good ol' adventure games. Action & RPG's also.

[LightningPS3PS3]

No stellar new games announced for either side.

That being said, no doubt XBOX 360 has been pushing a lot harder in Japan with all that money they're paying to bring exclusive or timed exclusive JRPG's to XBOX 360.

Star Ocean 4
Last Remenant
Infinite Undiscovery
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata
Tales of Vesperia

XBOX 360 is the place for Japanese RPG's right now. That's hard to deny.

I don't know when Sony plans to fight back here.

[tocrazed4you]

they are rougly 1.5 million behind the ps3. And launched earlier than the ps3.
Right now for rpgs for the ps3.

White knight chronicles.
Persona 3
Final fantasy versus 13
Valkyria chronicles
Eternal Sonata
Last remnant
Demon souls
Final fantasy 13 (Exclusive in japan)
Kinda matches your list right?

[MvmntInGrn]

Both have plenty of RPGs lined up, Sony is just starting to see them release now. Both showings were strong.

I wouldn't say "360 is the definitive place for RPGs" really, they have a few more lined up, but really it is just a few. (much more released though I do agree)

From here forward (meaning unreleased games) both are about equal on JRPGs.

[morganfell]

360 owned.

[kratos-i-am]

Nah its the PS2 which has the greatest library of RPGs. That's the reason its trouncing both the 360 and the PS3 in sales! And to be brutally honest the RPGs that have been released so far on this gen of platforms are awful! Where did all the major JRPG developers and franchises go for 07/08? Probably developing for the handhelds I guess.

[Real Gambler]

7 RPGs for Lighting vs 8 RPGs for ToCraze. Winner: ToCraze

Now watch Lightning coming back with: "Yes, 7 RPGs, but that's a lot, and I mean, A LOT more DVDs total though... : )

[CrazzyMan]

you could add:

Disgaea 3
Folklore
Cross Edge
Tiars to Tiara
+
White knight chronicles
Final fantasy versus 13
Valkyria chronicles
Eternal Sonata
Last remnant
Demon souls
Final fantasy 13

Abd who knows how many there in developement.)

EDIT: Mart, and what are you going to say, after ALL these JRPGS and MANY others are released???

[juuken]

So we should all sell our PS3's because Sony is doomed in Japan.

/sarcasm

[TheMART]

@ tocrazed4you

One flaw in your post...

The 360 RPG's are out already, the PS3 is still waiting.

Thus, the 360 is the home of (J)RPG's

[juuken]

There you go again.

So..the 360 is the king of rpgs?

If they were in fact the king of rpgs, then they should be pushing Wii numbers, no?
Why do those numbers immediately drop back down after an rpg is released?

Lol, don't make me laugh.

[KillaManiac]

Lightning ...You should see why you have had to make another account.

99.9% of your comments belong in the Open Section tab ---->

So sick of blatant fanboy people...360 and ps3.

Buy both systems...and buy exclusives for both and be happy like I am...not trying to argue who's game is best. Even if you point out 100% truth, in a fanboy's mind its still 100% wrong.

[Sarcasm]

bwahahahahahah LightningPS3PS3

what happen to LightningPS3? Finally changed it to Lightning360?

[Gorgon]

Persona 3 is for PS2, unless you think every PS3 has BC. And RPGs on the PS3 so far suck balls.

Let's hope Sony does their job right, because Demon's Souls ain't looking good either. I just hope Atlus starts their PS3 output soon.

[Deviant]

people got too much free time it seems like throughout the whole year everyone had to blame( actually whine) sony at least once. stop acting like you know how that business works.

[MvmntInGrn]

lol Sony did fine, no one company really owned TGS. No "I just wet myself" moments or anything.

MS did fine too, nothing huge either.

Now Nintendo, they just had no presence at all.

[N4g_null]

Now nintendo had no presents at all and still rocked the show!

Just had to fix that. So whats up SONY doesn't care about the hardcore?

I'm sure SONY would tell you the hardcore that the crown is not yours to give away. Remember next gen start when they say so. I mean where is crazy ken when you need him!

Sony has lots of problems and it's fans are not fixing them. It's actually the same problem that the game cube had with less hype LOL. MS stole SONY soul this round and turned them into just a hardware manufacturer again rather than a gaming power house.

3rd parties and fanboys are not loyal they where naive to think they where. We simply go where the party goes! I mean really who still is a sega fan?

[JonahFalcon]

Sony announced there would be no price cut to the PS3 - it's obvious they're in the "sink or swim" stage.

Meaning - they're going to let the PS3 try to survive on its own. Sony has a huge electronics portfolio - they already established Blu-Ray. They have TVs and computers. They're not going to chug any more money or effort into the PS3 until it thrives or dies.

[Genesis5]

Why would they. They have been out selling their direct competition (world wide numbers) all year. They don't need to push the panic button just yet.

MS on the other hand were losing ground steadily that is why they have price cuts across the board and are trying to secure third party DLC by spending tons of cash. They now have a sales spike going. Can they keep it going. Only time will tell.

I hardly think Sony is going to let the PS3 sink they have to much invested in it

[PoSTedUP]

"They're not going to chug any more money or effort into the PS3 until it thrives or dies."

think about playstation HOME, the new video store, PSN cards, the new controller keyboard, the new official sony bluetooth headset, the motion controller, and the new 160gig SKU. + all the games and studios they are investing in and all the games that they are making.

your full of it....

[jlytle1234]

What are you smoking. Ps3 has been outselling 360 almost all year.
Sony has already said they are ahead of their target sales by like 20percent. They have the strongest lineup of consecutive first party games ive seen in a long time. Sony's goal is to make the ps3 the main piece of your entertainment center. They arent dropping price because the console is selling well at this price point and they have or are about to turn a profit on every sale. They are going to let the games to sell the console.

[CEO of Troll Corp]

Sony had a fantastic press conference

[ShinMaster]

How did this crap article get approved.
This was clearly anti-PS3, mentioning overheating bullsh**.

[GiantEnemyLobster]

First E3 2006, now TGS 2008! LOL when will Sony learn!!!

[Lanoire]

And the numbers proof it. They had the most visitors in their booth and WKC stole the show.

They announced 2 new IPs and 2 new PSP games.

What did MS announce? No new IPs and they finally get to play Tekken too. Thats their announcement. Pathetic.

As for the 11 exclusives thing...Im starting to think that there was an error in translation. Famitsu first announced it. IGN and other sites picked it up. But did anyone bother to check the translation?

Perhaps it wasnt 11 IP announcements but just 11 announcements.
In which case Sackboy Snake and Sephiroth also count as announcements.

Clearly then we would have seen all 11 by now.

1) Sackboy Snake
2) Sackboy Sephiroth
3) LBP bundle
4) Ragdoll Kung fu
5) Quantum theory
6) Demons soul
7) Noby noby noby
8) Horse race manager
9) Linger in Shadow
10) Infamous announced for Asian territories?????
11) Dress????? Dress was announced back in Sept 2007. So this cant be it. Or maybe it was the secret SE live demo announcement?

PSP
1) Undead knights
2) adventure game from SCEJ
3) adventure game from SCEJ

Thats it then?

[Says you]

I'll find the link but I do remember one of the Microsoft employees saying talking to a journalist about Square Enix

and lightningPS3 the five games you mentioned fail in Japan none of those barely didn't anything and last Remenant is also PS3 you dork I guess they don't care about those so called JRPG's like these

Infinite Undiscovery
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata
Tales of Vesperia

[air1]

did you expect anything else? i mean look at how they messed up on the ps3

[juuken]

Oh shut the f*ck up.

900 million down the f*cking drain for the f*cking piece of sh*t that is the f*cking 360.

Yes, and Microsoft has done everything soooooooooooooo perfectly.

1. There was never an RROD.
2. People were never scared to buy a 360.
3. They were more innovative than Sony.

Get a life.

Go on, smack the disagree button coward.

[Nitrowolf2]

ya and what exactly did MS show that was so dam amazing?????

[Alain Reyes]

If you want to know a little about air1, let me help you out:

His name is Anthony Otero.

He lives in Alabama.

He is 25 years old.

He currently resides at.....

I can't do that - it's too mean. Anyways, just know this f*ckface is too poor be a multiconsole owner and strokes it to Dustin Diamond's Saved By The Bell poster everynight.

Let's see him deny his name is Anthony Otero.

[muddygamesite]

"did you expect anything else? i mean look at how they messed up on the ps3"

Please will you immediately cease upsetting Juuken my fair lady!

Im Downloading Siren: Blood Curse, Dark Mist, Wipeout HD and Ratchet and Clank Quest for Booty (Such a weird name, strangely describes what me and my choco broz do here over the weekend). Anybody interested in a nice game of Tekken 5: DR please add me: "omegamaximus".

Thanks

[ace235]

sony has another confrence or something?

[Internet Trolling Ex]

I cant wait for the next sony conference,I hope it has the same amount of awesome as their TGS conference

[Lou-Cipher]

The games will decide who wins TGS not their dispay area.(and we all know who putting out quality game titles)

[juuken]

...Give me a bloody break.
Wait until TGS is finished before bungie-jumping to conclusions.
Sony has a lot of unannounced games out there that no one has ever seen.

[Kevin McCallister]

While I realize it's not over yet, so far, this year's TGS has been very disappointing. Outside of Halo Recon and White Knight Chronicles, there's nothing to care about.

[Nitrowolf2]

Im a bit dissapointed myself, I was expecting something big to happen everyday ever since it started. IDK still some days left, and idk if sony are still going to show those games but im dieing to know what they are.

[smurfie4]

TGS isnt over yet. The white knight story and square presentation havent been displayed yet.

[IzKyD1331]

"While TGS was not exactly a failure, Sony is looking dangerously close to handing over victory to the 360 if this momentum continues and you would think Sony would try a bit harder, if only to help themselves."

handing over victory?
one hot month isn't gonna catch up a 2 million console lead......but I just have this one question.....WHERE IS TEAM ICO'S GAME?!?!?!??!

[dkgshiz]

Japan isnt that big for gaming anymore. Its mostly just the U.S and Europe that game. Japan is the last thing to worry about in the gaming industry.

[Surfman]

ah bored of all the anti-Sony articles and everybody who tries to find flaws.

[kewlkat007]

-=PS3 Jrpgs=-
-Folklore
-Disgaea 3: Absence of Justice
-Tears to Tiara
-White knight chronicles
-Final fantasy versus XIII
-Cross Edge
-Valkyria Chronicles
-Demon souls

-=Multi -Platform Titles=-
-Eternal Sonata
-Last Remenant
-Final Fantasy XIII

-=Xbox 360 Jrpgs =-
-Lost Odyssey
-Blue Dragon
-Infinite Undiscovery
-Tales of Vesperia
-Star Ocean 4
-Cry On

If you take a look at PS2 titles not many games go on and sell very well. Unless you have Final Fantasy in the name or Dragon Quest, well pretty much anything from Square-Enix, most Jrpgs sell average. The 360 have had decent Jrpgs(Not FF sale/review-wise) while getting some titles that will appear on both consoles. Sony has been lacking but is also getting some new franchises and new IPs, that we have no clue how they will fair against the standard which is Square-Enix.

Looking at the Original Xbox and what it was lacking, the Xbox 360 gets the Early Edge.

Jrpg have never been a weakness of the Playstation(it helps when you had 75% of market and monopoly on devs) while it has been for the Xbox. Really, how many of these jrpgs do we expect Final Fantasy like REVIEW/SALES?

It's easy to criticize current Xbox 360 Jrpg games because well, the PS3 hasn't got much out. The ones that are out are not considered anything special in terms of sales/reviews(If that is what most base their hate of a game on). Hey everyone and their momma is waiting for FFXIII, well Square-Enix is he Standard. For some reason the Standard has not been set, so we look at every other jrpg as average. Wait you'll see.

[air1]

you have allot to say to me for someone that has me on ignore..

it wasn't my 900 million wasn't yours either. do you know what we got out of that 900 million? free repairs. micro fvcked up but they didn't fvck us like sony did with dre.

with all this rrod crap the ps3 still cant pass the 360 so what do you think that says of the ps3? what? you're going to say that "we catching up" i been hearing that for 2 years now the wii did it so sony shouldn't be struggling especially coming off of a success like the ps2..

i never said that the 360 is perfect no system is but what i will say is that if you want the games, you know sh!t that you can play today. the 360 is it and only a sony fanatic would not agree and jot down a list of games that dont come out for another 6 months to a year that just might get canceled.

innovative? so live back 4 years ago wasn't innovative? micro introduced the hhd to consoles that wasn't innovative? look little girl all 3 consoles did something innovative it's just that micro beat sony to start off this gen.

while the ps3 is just starting to sparkle the next box will be out to outdate blu ray with downloads. micro does specialize in software ya know

ps3 cant out class a 3 year old hardware lmfao..

[juuken]

Damn straight I do, because you're a moron. I love when morons talk sh*t because they usually can't back up their sh*t.

You are such a failure.

Oh shut the hell up with the DRE. Tell me, did DRE's fail as badly as the 360's? Did DRE's have a inconclusive failure rate? Did people have to repair their consoles five to six times because it kept breaking down? Unless you can find me evidence of that, then you need to shut the face. Everytime PS3 fans bring up the RROD, you say 'B-But teh PS2's failed tooooooz!11111'. Lol, lol, and double lol. The PS2 is THE best console of all time and it's the first one to reach over 100 million in sales.

Lolz, Sony still can't pass the 360. And YET the PS3 narrowed the lead the 360 had by five million consoles. And YET they sold over 2 million consoles in Japan. And YET Microsh*tforballs can't even reach 1 million consoles despite having an early lead AND bringing out rpgs. The same sh*t was said about the PS2. 'Oh, the PS2 will NEVER beat the Dreamcast!1111'. And BAM! Sony came out of no where and landed a home run.

STFU.

You implied the 360 was a perfect system by bashing the PS3. I never implied the PS3 was a perfect system EVER. Sony has made mistakes but some of those mistakes are being fixed. They took a huge risk by implementing bluray and it was a damn good risk because bluray won the format war. You know nothing about business so don't even start with your bullsh*t. Sony lost 3 billion because they were willing to take a RISK. That's what companies do. If they want something to be successful, they take something called a RISK.

If you honestly THINK for a second the PS3 won't make a profit or Sony won't recover from their losses, then you are blind as f*ck.

The rest of your comments is full of FUD and bullsh*ttery so I'd rather not dig further.

WHAT A LOSER.

[DavidMacDougall]

You have alot of anger for a chick

[juuken]

David, when you're dealing with retarded bots, that's what happens.

[Serg]

You think cross-breeding 50% of ICQs functionality and a online store is innovative?

I bet you are on your <Insert 2 digit number here> th 360.

1 year headstart, already surpassed in Japan and Europe and catching up in NA. 1 year is a long time considering you've only lived 12 of them so far.

Microsoft doesn't specialize in software, they steal things and market them as if they were their own, google AmigaOS. And the next xbox will have a physical drive for games, not downlaods, it would be tho most stupid thing someone could do and you are an idiot by even considering it.

But you know what, I really hope they will do it so they can finally disappear from the gaming market, competition is bad when Microsoft is involved. Only thing they care about is money, their words not mine, and people like you still support them...

[marionz]

she has alot of anger because she is probably one of those shaved head boot and check shirt wearing overweight pig like lezbos, she should have been cut out before she ever got born, hopefully she ends the cycle now and never reproduces.