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GOTY Winner 2017: Did Zelda Deserve to Take The Game Awards Title?

David and Rossco look at the GOTY winner 2017 and the nominations from The Game Awards as Game N Respawn debate Zelda taking the title. Did it deserve to win ahead of the competition from the other nominations?

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-Foxtrot2709d ago

Not really. If it had to be a Nintendo game I thought Super Mario Odyssey was beautifully done and way more deserving.

Just felt like it relied on the Zelda name first and then the actual game second.

Neonridr2709d ago

Zelda was more grand at the end of the day. It has a more sweeping story and felt dramatic. Mario is a blast, don't get me wrong and it's how you do platforming. But Zelda was just epic.

my opinion of course, so take it with a grain of salt.

Lightning Mr Bubbles2709d ago (Edited 2709d ago )

Yes, I have to say it did. It was the best game this year. Got to give it it's due. I predicted it would win because it was the best game this year and if it didn't, there would of been something wrong with the awards.

The only argument was maybe Horizon Zero Dawn, I think that game was great also and if Zelda didn't win, then it would of been Horizon, that's the only argument I can see. But in the end, I still give the edge to Zelda.

Neonridr2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

@Lightning - it was a fabulous year between Horizon and Uncharted on the PS4 and Zelda and Mario on the Switch. This doesn't exclude all the other amazing games both consoles received as well.

deafdani2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

Oh don't worry, Foxtrot has plenty of salt to take your opinion with. XD XD XD

mikeslemonade2708d ago

Zelda wins by default. Yes it's an overrated Nintendo game where you played mini dungeons and ran/climbed most of the time, but there was nothing else better.

NecrumOddBoy2708d ago

Zelda's story was sweeping???

What story? Defeat Ganon? Help... Zelda's trapped in the Castle? Can you recover the lost memories of walking around and listening to your dead friend's bad dialog? The story wasn't good.

120 Puzzle Shrine levels and 900 Hidden Seeds... Sounds like this could have been an iPhone game.

Oh wait the dugeons... Oh there is none.

The bosses? Oh you mean the same shadow Ganon 4 times with no real difference?

Side quests! Or fetch quests which leads to nothing but weak potions or rupees.

I will say the climbing, physics and Shrine side quests are great. The cooking is absolutely awesome but needed a cook book. I will say the SOTC way to get into The Beasts were also pretty epic, but the game is all surface and no real meat.

But that is it. This game was repetitive and lacks the heart of better Zelda games. No worthy weapons, spells, items, or anything memorable. BOTW will never come close to any other Zelda except maybe Z2, SS, or the CD-i games.

This whole game is all about fetch quest in your way to get enough hearts and stamina to complete the one mission that matters...

_-EDMIX-_2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

Of course more buzzwords and more immeasurable features.

Be like "I think Ghost Recon deserve to win game of the year because I mean it was more Grand and more Epic"

@nec-exactly my biggest problem is they are absolutely roasted Dragon Age Inquisition for having so much filler Quest yet Zelda has this ridiculous amount of filler content with those stupid seeds

I mean by that logic we should be giving Assassin's Creed game of the year because those dumb Flags or Birds you collect lol

One of the things I find so hilarious is that most Nintendo gamers are scared to specifically say any actual real reason why the game should have been such a prestigious award a lot of it is stupid a measurable features like epic or grand or their emotions while playing the game no one is actually able to say any future inside of the game that is some sort of brand new mechanic.

It's not the first open world game
it's not the first game you could climb in it's not the first time you had a game where you could make food or other elements by this Logic No Man's Sky Minecraft and a whole bunch of games should be winning these Awards.

Ironically enough the majority of the crappy see from breath of the wild has been completely ripped off from the Assassin's Creed series so if they love those games so much I believe Nintendo Gamers should be playing Assassin's Creed lol

But I guess you have to slap Nintendo on there and change the character to link for them to realize it's a good game. Be like "the magical scale and epicness of Link being in Egypt is beyond Epic derrrrrr GOTY"

LOL

At the end of the day Nintendo bought Game of the Year this year they likely have a bunch of backdoor deals with these journalist.

mikeslemonade2708d ago

^Yea it's nintendo fan servicing. A 97 meta on nintendo switch is actually only like a 91 on current gen systems.

And Dragon Age Inquistion won many goty awards over Bayo 2, Mario 3d land, and Smash despite those nintendo games having a higher meta score.

Sono4212708d ago

"It has a more sweeping story and felt dramatic"

What?.... it had no story... simply "Gannon is bad.. Gannon is back... beat him pls." There is almost no context given other than a tiny bit in the memories spread throughout the world. In what way shape or form is that a story? Storytelling is all but absent, you get more context in Super Mario Odyssey and I think we can all agree that isn't a story driven game, but that's okay. That isn't what it's going for, Mario Odyssey is all about the brilliantly layed out levels and player freedom on how to beat them. In essence that is also what breath of the wild tries to do but it doesn't come near the level of perfection of Mario Odyssey. BotW has many flaws, Odyssey does not. Mario Odyssey rewards you for thinking outside the box and doing incredibly tricky jumps to get to places you would think you aren't even meant to be, Breath of the wild slaps you in the face for even just exploring it's world giving you nothing over and over and over again. Anyone saying Zelda deserved it over Mario Odyssey simply didn't play both games, or is such a Zelda fanboy they look over all it's many flaws and just repeat the same nonsense over and over again "Brilliant design" "Reinvents open world games" even though both of those statements are false and Mario Odyssey is light years ahead of BotW in terms of design. That isn't an opinion that's a fact.

Neonridr2707d ago

@EDMIX - please, enlighten us with your Zelda and Mario expertise. Tell me how many hours you logged in either game?

No offense dude, but you having an opinion about whether Zelda or Mario deserved the GOTY more is laughable at best. You don't own a Switch, you didn't play either game. Give it up. Your "opinions" mean absolutely nothing because you have zero experience. I mean how can you say that one game was better or worse than the other when you have no idea yourself?

See I actually own a PS4. I play Horizon and Uncharted.. I can actually make those comparisons because I know what all 4 games played and felt like.

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Neonridr2709d ago

as far as Zelda games go, no Zelda game in recent history was as different or took as many risks as BoTW did either. This game was more like the original on NES. Come out of a cave, opening title. Figure out where to go and what to do.

I mean did you prefer Mario over Zelda because of the gameplay? Both were beautiful in their own right.

Sono4212708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

I prefer Mario over Zelda because the game has less flaws than BotW. BotW is riddled with flaws from beginning to end, the game was built on flawed design. Mario Odyssey is brilliantly laid out from start to finish. Every inch of every world is thought out with meticulous detail making a very seamless and flawless experience, truly a masterpiece. The same cannot be said for BotW. That game smacks you in the face for exploring, all you ever find is the same exact 3 things, korrok seeds, spirit orbs, and the same random items spread throughout the map... so exciting. Especially when compared to previous Zelda's where you would spend the game building link's arsenal up, getting new (actually useful) abilities. None of that happens in BotW. The game is hollow beginning to end. Then there's always a chance for things to get exciting, like the labyrinths, then what do you find at the middle... JUST ANOTHER SHRINE, i've seen a million of these things already and they are all set to the difficulty level for a 5 year old. Every single time you think you are about to find something interesting and actually be rewarded you are greeted with another shrine, another weapon that will break 3 enemies later, and another orb which you need 3 more of just to increase your hearts by one.... could you put me to sleep any faster? It discourages me from exploring every single time. Same with the divine beasts, only one of the did I actually have to sit and think about it for a bit. But I will say that at least two of the divine beasts were brilliantly laid out, sure still easy, but at least you could tell there was a lot of thought put into the designs. Then all of the "abilities" you get from the divine beasts are simply handicaps that make an already easy game even easier, it's like they were trying to put me to sleep.

Neonridr2707d ago

@Sono - don't get me wrong, I love both games and both have their reasons. I just think Zelda was a little more story driven. I know you don't agree and will go on length talking about the games bugs and flaws. But critics and users seem to agree that it was an amazing game.

Sure the game has areas that can be improved, but that's where a future installment will take what made BoTW great and build on areas that it maybe lacked in. I loved that weapons had durability, but it would have been nice to be able to repair those items instead of losing them forever. The point to exploring was to find the shrines to increase your hearts or agility though. You sort of had to explore the map if you wanted to max out your hearts.

I did miss the conventional dungeons though, and hope they go back to those. I agree that the powers gained from each dungeon just felt sort of thrown in and definitely made it harder to die for example.

TallonIV2708d ago

Super Mario Odyssey while fantastic was kind of more of the same (in a good way.) With BOTW however, Nintendo took huge risks changing the formula and it paid off. Redefining the open world genre is no easy feat and don't be surprised if you see games in the future copying BOTW's formula. That's why I believe the right game won.

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madforaday2708d ago

@Loveable

It didn't redefine open world games at all, it just excelled in everything besides story. The same concept can be said with Horizon Zero Dawn, it didn't redefine the genre, it just excelled in every category including story. If I told you I want a great open world game with a story. You would pick games like Witcher 3 and Horizon, Zelda won't be said at all. The word Zelda and Mario goes a LONG LONG way for their games. I see so many reviewers shit on other games for certain things. When a Nintendo game comes along with one of those words in it, the reviewer forgets about it. Lastly, with all that said, the new Zelda and Mario games are AMAZING, don't want people to think I didn't like them. You talked about risks and I personally believe what GG did was a MUCH bigger risk than what the developers did for Zelda. The word Zelda is in the game, people are going to buy it no matter what compared to a new IP.

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HaveSumNuts2708d ago

Zelda totally deserves it because Nintendo been f'ing up for like a decade since the Wii came out and they finally made a console and game that's decent. Nintendo like the slow kid in class that just picked up his hand and answered the question correct 1st time ever. Teacher and the other students shocked, people start clapping and shit. Well of course Xbox / Playstation have been at the top but heyyyy...... Nintendo actually did something right so let them have it.

balance2theforce2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

Hahaha, Nintendo has made more classics than both of those guys combined bruh. And I don't believe they've had a game ever read is Holly at some of Nintendo's. Don't worry though, more and more people are getting tired of the agenda here and becoming more aware of thr fact that if it isn't a certain box round here you guys are always going to hate. And if some of the out-of-the-blue PM's I've gotten are any indication folks are beginning to have a laugh at you boys being bitter and spewing dat sodium every time Zelda or anything not pro you know who is mentioned.

Just look at da whining and excuses here. The media is biased! The awards are rigged! Sounds like another windbag out there. From some of the first posts on down, it's been whining (still), bitterness and ongoing hate. And not going to lie, it's great seeing that much effort. As the more these people post, the more you see that it really has them hurt! 😆🤣🤣

showtimefolks2708d ago

fox couldn't agree more and just look at your disagrees. people can't accept the fact this zelda game that they waited years for wasn't as good as past zelda games

nintendo games are reviewed with a soft spot in reviewers hearts so most of the times they will get better review scores

deafdani2708d ago

So, you and Foxtrot and a few other select privileged individuals are right, while the rest of the gaming population and critics (say, about 95%) are wrong.

Gotcha.

Lovable2708d ago

@deafdani

Man stay true to your name.

Neonridr2708d ago

sales and reviews indicate otherwise showtimefolks.

Lovable2708d ago

Kek @ Sales = Quality argument..

Imalwaysright2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

People are allowed to disagree especially when they are disagreeing with a troll. Also no one has to accept how you perceive this game and I have no idea why you think anyone should. The rest of your comment is just more of the unsubstantiated nonsense that I'm used to seeing from ps fanboys that don't like the fact that BOTW outscored every sony game this generation.

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showtimefolks2708d ago

DEAF

like i said in my other comments goty awards are subjective. rest of the gaming or the select few(your words) who actually review it? how many sites are there that actually count with metacritic

one again as someone who didn't like this zelda i am wrong for not liking it but could it be to me atleast it was a great experience, now let me rephrase it it was an above average 8.5 to 9/10 type experience. i guess 9/10 is me hating and i should be called names or worst

when did 9./10 become so bad

neo:

please don't make the sales argument as other games sold much much better

zacfoldor

i don't think reviewers gave a game that deserved 4/10 out of 10 a perfect score because of nintendo. let's say a game made by nintendo is closer to 8.5 to 9/10 they will have no problem pushing it to a perfect score. in no way shape or form is zelda BOTW a bad game it's actually a great game i personally just don't think it's 10/10 type experience. once again just my opinion

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Imalwaysright2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

Says the troll that was trolling and downplaying BOTW before its release date. You even got to the point of claiming that the developers that were praising the game were lying (yeah I remember that as well and don't try to deny it) such is the buthurt that the game has caused you. Let the buthurt flow through you.

Neonridr2708d ago

I keep asking Fox how many hours they have logged in both games to understand their point of view but they keep ignoring my questions. Fox, do you even own a Switch and both games?

Imalwaysright2708d ago

His point of view was set in stone well before he played the game if he played it at all.

rainslacker2708d ago

I feel it's about as deserving as any of the other nominated titles.

CaptainObvious8782708d ago

Don't bother anyone trying to point out the obvious flaws and double standards of zelda to ninty fans. You'd have an easier time explaining quantum dynamics to a cow...

Imalwaysright2708d ago

So you're just going to act like a pompous ass? Here was I expecting you to tell people that played the game what they should and shouldn't like about it and what games they thought were better this year.

Segata2708d ago

If Foxtrot can link a screenshot uploaded form his Switch of Link naked in Goron city with four weapons on the ground and using the in system text editing on the pic that says "Foxtrots Zelda pic" and dates it. Only then will I believe he has played the game.

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gangsta_red2709d ago

I haven't played the game but it sure did receive a lot of perfect scores and tons of praise.

Not to mention...some friends I talk with who have played the game have all said they loved it and it's one of the best games they played this year.

It definite must have when I eventually get a Switch.

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sammarshall1022709d ago

From what I hear, it deserved to win

TallonIV2708d ago

The game is a masterpiece, so yes.

Sgt_Slaughter2708d ago

From what I've seen people have been more critical of BotW and not even in a necessary way, only that it's Zelda.

LordoftheCritics2708d ago (Edited 2708d ago )

Every other game of the year nominee had so much generic going for them but yet people here will only nitpick Zelda.

Regardless, it will win everywhere.

OoglyBoogly2707d ago

Every other game? How was BOTW not just as generic if we want to go there? How is Horizon any more or less "generic" than Zelda? All BOTW did was take things other games have been doing for YEARS and applied it to a Zelda game. Cool, totally different and unique from every other open world game except it's not.

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Pure Arts Reveals Borderlands Collectible that fans should l8ve.

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89 million Steam account details allegedly leaked, but no one seems to know how

A LinkedIn post from Underdark AI made the discovery, stating that datasets are being sold for over $5,000 on a known black market forum.

Cockney1d 16h ago

Biggest hack in gaming history if true

Christopher1d 14h ago

No personal details, mostly account names, no passwords. Likely would need other account leaks to hope that someone reuses a password with a similar account name on another already leaked service. While a lot of users, the data is useless. Kind of notably by the $5k request for the data.

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

You don't remember the psn hack I take it

BlueDaBaDee10h ago

Update:
"Valve has now confirmed that “this was NOT a breach of Steam systems” and users do not need to change their passwords as a result. However, it continues to recommend that you set up the Steam Mobile authenticator for extra security."

https://store.steampowered....

Fishy Fingers10h ago

Shame. I liked the idea someone paid 5 grand just for my silly steam name.

DivineHand12510h ago

The government needs a taskforce with serious fundung that can opporate across borders to go after cyber criminals.

It is getting out of hand and it is the regular citizens of the world that suffer the consequences of these hacks and breaches.

My fear is that if left unchecked, state sponsored hackers from corrupt or governents under sections may use this as a method of raising revenue at the expense of everyone else.

Fishy Fingers10h ago

Bro teeing up a Mission Impossible movie.

ZeekQuattro8h ago

Not in this administration. If anything hes been dissolving existing task forces meant to protect consumers.

Amplitude7h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Why? They’d just use the funding to funnel hundred of millions of dollars into fake NGOs that then funnel it into democrat pockets while doing zero cyber criminal defence work.

Then if anybody tried to defund them it’d be a whole thing with the mainstream media claiming that there will be endless cyber attacks. NGOs would then fund protest groups to attack anybody that supports defunding the government’s cyber attack defence branch and then it would turn out it was also being used to stabilize or destabilize governments in other countries and overthrow elections to benefit America. Which is fine until they start using it on us again.

Let’s just not. Private companies who know what they’re doing (Valve) can deal with it

RIP USAID. God bless

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

It's not a may use this not we know state sponsored attacks do this already.

It's a global problem you couldn't have one government playing world police it would require joint collaboration with foreign governments and the problem is many laws have not kept pace with advancement of technology.

even then it's hard to say with certainty if an attack was a state sponsored attacks or a cybercriminal group operating outside of governments

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pwnmaster30009h ago

remember when certain groups were saying PC gamers don’t want other subscriptions because it was not safe and steam was the spot lol.

Shiore2u8h ago

No. Don't recall that. You know the voices in your head aren't real right?

pwnmaster30007h ago

I mean you can say that all you want but it’s the truth. Most recent one I saw was a whole bunch of you PC gamers bitching about having a PSN account and one of the arguments was how it’s not secure enough lol.

Shiore2u6h ago

@pwnmaster3000 Real or not it must have really got under your skin to keep talking about it. Why so touchy?

pwnmaster30005h ago

Two comments and I keep talking about it lmao.
Look you must be new to conversations but this is how it goes. You talk to me and I respond back.
Very simple and with practice maybe you would be good to ☺️ cheers mate.

Shiore2u5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

@pwnmaster3000 It's just a question, stop being so touchy.

(hopefully you figure out the irony by now, I can't be anymore obvious with the goading)

pwnmaster30004h ago

What you using the word “touchy”? What about it?
And yes it was a question and I answered. Do you not like getting responses back lol.

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badz1498h ago

it's time to riot, right, pc gamers??

pwnmaster30007h ago

Be careful, PC gamers are the most touchy out of the gamers lol

staticall1h ago

@badz149
@pwnmaster3000
Have you guys actually read what was «leaked»? It was SMS messages from 3rd party provider (not from Steam itself) with one-time 2FA codes (that are active for 15 minutes). No Steam account details, access to an account or any of that jazz.

Let me quote official Steam response:
«The leak consisted of older text messages that included one-time codes that were only valid for 15-minute time frames and the phone numbers they were sent to. The leaked data did not associate the phone numbers with a Steam account, password information, payment information or other personal data. Old text messages cannot be used to breach the security of your Steam account, and whenever a code is used to change your Steam email or password using SMS, you will receive a confirmation via email and/or Steam secure messages.»
Source: https://store.steampowered....

The only bad thing about this is the phone numbers. But while that sucks, attacker doesn't know which Steam account this phone number belongs to. IMO, the only thing people should be rioting about is how unprotected the SMS are and the 3rd party service that was used by Steam. I'm all for punishing people who screwed up and/or lacked the security. But this is not it.

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Nintendo Switch 2 To Sell 100M+ Units by 2029, Is The Most Important Console Launch Ever, Says DFC

DFC Intelligence has big expectations for the Nintendo Switch 2. They estimate over 100 million units sold by the end of 2029.

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_SilverHawk_14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

dont think itll happen because of COQ. it costs as much as gaming consoles that are way better in a lot of ways and nintendo normally thrives on selling cheaper hardware than the competition. i believe that because the switch 2 and the games are so expensive and are far inferior to better versions available for the same price or cheaper on better gaming consoles that gamers would rather get a better value for their money and buy something better than the switch 2. the switch 2 can do a lot better if it isnt expensive and the games are cheaper.

Muigi13h ago

Yeah but I can’t play my PS5 Pro on a plane or the subway.

Neonridr10h ago

don't worry, they'll tell you to buy a $300 accessory on top of the console so you can "stream" it to play it. (subject to network capabilities of course)

MrNinosan9h ago

@Neonridr
The Playstation Portal is amazing, but if you don't want to spend the 300$, just use your phone or tablet that you probably own already

jznrpg6h ago

@MrNinosan it’s 199$ for Portal

MrNinosan5h ago

@jznrpg
Might be, I just answered to his bullshit comment.
As I live in Sweden, I paid way more for my Portal, around 350$ at release, but still use it daily at work and in my bed, so well invested 👍

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Neonridr10h ago

*costs as much currently.

We've already seen MS have to adjust the price of their consoles, and it's possible Sony could follow suit.

And your definition of "far inferior" is subjective to the end-user. Can I take my PS5 Pro version of the game with me on the go? No.

Dhika3h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Hahaha. We'll see. I'm not keen on seeing you moving goal posts as usual lol.

darthv7213h ago

Pretty ambitious... it could be done so long as they lower the price of the games and the system to something more reasonable.

jznrpg13h ago

Least exciting Nintendo launch for me.

MrNinosan9h ago

First console I won't buy at release since the original NES.

repsahj8h ago

Not me. I am excited as when I first bought my Mario Odyssey bundle Switch 1.

MrNinosan5h ago

Because of Mario Kart?
Or what is it that excites you?

repsahj4h ago

Because of everything Switch 2, I am very impressed with what I am seeing so far. And because 3 of my friends who I play Helldivers 2 with will also get it. We will all be getting the Mario Kart World bundle.

Elda12h ago

For me...I beg to differ it's an important launch knowing it's not launching with any interesting exclusives except the $80 Mario Kart & I'm not into racers. Until I see some interesting Switch 2 exclusives that I think are a must play I can wait as long as possible before obtaining a Switch 2.

Neonridr10h ago

While I'm getting MK at launch, I'm actually most interested in Donkey Kong. I love the destructible environments.

NotoriousWhiz7h ago

I'm most interested in trying out cyberpunk with mouse controls. If they work really well, Switch 2 may be my console of choice for shooters.

MrNinosan5h ago

Couldn't you try that on PC for the last 5+ years?

neutralgamer199212h ago

I’ve seen a lot of people projecting that the Switch 2 will sell over 100 million units by 2029. While I understand the optimism—especially considering the original Switch’s success—I think those numbers might be overlooking the current state of the market and how much it’s shifted.

First off, we need to stop using early sellouts or pre-order hype as a reliable indicator of long-term success. Every major console that’s launched in the last 25 years has sold out during its pre-order window. Even consoles that were ultimately considered commercial disappointments—like the Wii U—sold out at launch. The PS3, which launched at a hefty $600 back in 2007, still had people lining up. That early rush is almost always driven by the core gaming audience, not the mass market. The real test comes after that honeymoon phase, when sales depend on casual gamers and broader adoption.

And that’s where things get trickier now.

The gaming landscape has changed dramatically. Mobile gaming has completely taken over in terms of both revenue and number of players. It’s bigger than console and PC gaming combined, and it's still growing. That makes sense when you think about it: everyone already has a phone, and many have tablets too. Pair that with a Bluetooth controller and you’ve got a portable, high-quality gaming experience with almost no extra cost.

Consoles and gaming PCs, on the other hand, require a substantial investment just to get started. When money is tighter for a lot of households and the average consumer is more price-conscious, it becomes harder to justify spending $400–600+ on a single-use gaming device—especially when they already own something that plays games well enough.

I’m not saying the Switch 2 won’t be successful. Nintendo has a strong brand and a loyal fanbase. But I do think people are underestimating how much harder it is today to move that kind of hardware volume. The market’s more competitive, more fragmented, and more mobile than ever before

Neonridr9h ago

I fully expect the Switch 2 to sell 100M units. But to say it'll do it within 4 years is a big ask.

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