November 2017 NPD: Xbox One brings in more spending, but Sony sells more PlayStation 4s

U.S. consumers wanted new video game hardware in November, and they spent a ton of money getting the latest Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo devices. This led to a strong month for Xbox One, PlayStation 4, and Nintendo Switch. In fact, November doesn't have a clear winner in terms of hardware sales. Gamers bought more PS4s than Xbox Ones or Nintendo Switch systems, but people also spent more money buying Xbox Ones than PS4s or Nintendo's Switch, according to industry tracking firm The NPD Group.

[Majin-vegeta]

What else is new with the crazy line up of games this year and what's to come in the future.With a $199 price tag.Sony killed it.🤙

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Wow, so PS4 outsold XBOX one X in November?

[JaguarEvolved]

PlayStation domination across all nations

[Lightning Mr Bubbles]

Wait, so PS4 also outsold the Switch? That's also great news! Playstation fans, we are in a very good position.

[morganfell]

Yes it did. And it is all downhill for them from here. Launch month was their best bet. As we move into the new year, Sony starts to bring major guns to bear. Games like God of War and Days Gone along with more VR growth.

"In 2018, we’re unlikely to get any major revisions from Sony or Microsoft, so those companies will likely focus on software support"

Again it is Sony that easily tops MS with software support. Games, that thing that actually matters at the end of the day ,are Sony's hand to play.

[Eonjay]

Yes it's really impressive. The Xbox One S was even cheaper than the PS4 so honestly, I thought that plus the launch would do it.
Oh year Xbox hasn't won NPD in over a year.

[LP-Eleven]

That it did. Yes.

[UltraNova]

Not even the switch with Mario couldn't stop it. Damn.

The ps4 took the cake and started running away with it. Hell they didn't even stop to eat it.

[bouzebbal]

i thought x1x was flying off the shelves and xbox were so surprised about the appeal among gamers and the pre-orders??? is that only bluff from xbox? would be 1st time they BS us :D

Gran Turismo was the big release of this month.
It was well timed by Sony. Really hats off..

[DarXyde]

It's not terribly surprising if you think about it. $500 to play, for the overwhelming most part, the same games as the console that cost $200 on black Friday. And, with the $200 console, you get access to more [current] games.

I'm not surprised in the least there. What DID surprise me was seeing the One S get outsold. It's a UHD Blu-ray player that plays games and Microsoft, due to smaller market share, had more growth potential; since less people own an Xbox than PS4, Microsoft had more room to expand their market and still 'lost' at home.

One X, I imagine, will sell better when the price drops. But keep in mind that stock wasn't really plentiful, so that's worth considering.

[Cryptcuzz]

I expected as much.
Starting early next year, it will dominate even more when the likes of exclusives; God of War, Detroit, Dreams, Spider Man, Ni No Kuni 2, Last of Us 2, Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima, Shadow of Colossus, etc, begin releasing throughout the year.

[alb1899]

I don't get the surprise. People where looking for specials because it was black Friday and cybermonday, and Sony put the PS4 at 199?
Having better and more exclusives didn't hurt either.
Now, I'm sure that the X sold a lot more than the Pro and will keep doing so for the rest of the generation. Taking in consideration that the X Is Made fore the core, you will see some changes on third party sells as the X keep growing on the market.

[morganfell]

"But keep in mind that stock wasn't really plentiful, so that's worth considering."

Oh please, even the supposedly limited edition Scorpio kept reappearing. They had stock. I was in Gamestop on Black Friday and they had stock of the standard X1X.

[NewMonday]

never expected the PS4 to win this month going up the hyped XboneX and a new console launch.

[johndoe11211]

@alb1899
"Now, I'm sure that the X sold a lot more than the Pro" I'm gonna call BS on that. The ps4 pro is higher on the amazon best sellers list than the 1x. Amazon is not the "be all" but it is a very good representation of the current sales market.

[fiveby9]

Sony did say they had their best black Friday ever. I guess they had a great month overall. I hear gamers of all ages, particularly younger ones, say they want PS4. Not only for the great games but also because that is where their friends are playing. And many I know are seeking to have a PS4 and a Switch. I still love my PS4 but with my new 4K tv I'll be getting a Pro very soon.

[morganfell]

@alb1899

"Taking in consideration that the X Is Made fore the core"

Do you know the main thing that makes people part of 'the core'?

Games. Its the games. Not the hardware, not what kind of TV or monitor they have, it is instead their devotion to the games.

[DarXyde]

Morganfell,

Let me say what I said another way:

"Stock was restricted". I think that's more accurate to say. I don't know if they were holding back Stock to give the impression of overwhelming demand, but regardless, that would still mean not everyone who wanted one got one. I'm pretty convinced most people with an Xbox One X are just upgrades, but still, not everyone got one, I'd imagine.

Of course, PS4 sold out at some point if I'm not mistaken so the same principle applies, intentional supply regulation withstanding. And it's cheaper.

In no way am I suggesting Xbox would have outsold PlayStation, but I do believe Xbox would have still lost, but "not as badly".

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Ok this was honestly unexpected. Switch not coming out on top is surprising. Ninty still having issues meeting demand?

The X not aiding enough to outsell the PS4 is one of those either or scenarios:

- The X is expensive so it not selling enough to bolster it over the PS4 was a reasonable conclusion to come by prior to the outcome

- The X aiding in XB1 outselling the PS4 for last month at least was also a reasonable exception given that it was it's launch month

Either scenario happening isn't really too surprising and were realistic assumptions.

[morganfell]

"Of course, PS4 sold out at some point if I'm not mistaken so the same principle applies, intentional supply regulation withstanding. And it's cheaper. "

Cheaper than what? The X1S? You see now we are just splitting hairs. The One S was cheaper coming in at times during the month cheaper than the PS4, cheaper than the PS4 Slim, and certainly cheaper than the Pro. MS made the decision to invest in a more expensive console rather than games. Should they get a sales pass there too? No. They were out-maneuvered and outsold. I'm not happy. I have two X1S units in the house gathering dust. I would have preferred MS invest in games. They didn't and Sony, in the month of the MS launch, took them to task. And as I stated above. This, or rather November...well that is as good as it will get. The sky only darkens for Redmond and the Xbox division moving forward. Sony has major software dropping...again...in 2018.

[NXFather]

WOW Curb Your Enthusiasm. You really suprised.

[FITgamer]

Especially impressive when you consider Microsoft had the cheapest, newest, most powerful consoles on market during the month.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Silly article. As gamers and industry observers we use NPD to record which console sold the most, which adds to the install base - it’s what we’ve done for years. November it was PS4. Venturebeat are choking on this fact.by de-emphasising it. I’m happy to hear that Xbox One X bought in revenue - it did have the highest price. But if you start changing the rules of NPD success then you can use bend facts to suit your argument, eg Xbox made most revenue or PlayStation consoles most profit etc. Doing this ‘success’ cannot be agreed by fans.

Best stick to NPD most units sold.

[indyman7777]

If x1c cost 500 and ps4 cost 200 then of course Microsoft is charging us 250% more per x1x and will win the console spending unless Sony sales 251% MORE consoles.

PS4 Won what matters install base.

@morganfell your logic it is all downhill for SWITCH because you think their first month will be their best is stupid. In fact it is hippocritical. No one gets their launch month total for about a full year EVEN SONY PS4 did not match first month sales for over a year. PS4 sold 2.4 million first month remember? SWITCH is gaining momentum.

[LateNightThirst]

$200 vs $500 which would win? lol come on now

[Babadook7]

So much for the xox bridging the sales gap. Not even in its opening month in home territory.

[trooper_]

Again, Sony drives home the importance of GAMES, not 4k mumbo jumbo.

[trooper_]

Sony still delivered the games.

[LP-Eleven]

@ Lovable: Yeah, the same "Blu-ray" that is being used today (including in the rival Xbox console[s]). If you're trying to point out failures, you aren't doing a very good job.

[Chevalier]

Too the people who think Xbox One X was hard to find. Other than the first week my store has been fully stocked. My store has a pallet full sitting unsold right now in my back room. Based on recent sales I would say it will take me into February or March to sell off that whole pallet and cycle through what we got. I will bet sales drop off considerably.

[Lovable]

Pic or obviously you're lying to make a point

[SierraGuy]

It is sad but Xbox just died...next. c'mon Nvidia.

[outsider1624]

Holy crap! I actualy thought xbx would win Nov, because you know, new console and all. Good going Sony. Man, i can't wait for 2018.

[Bigpappy]

Actually it was $199 plus a $50 credit and many retailers. Good for gamers

[LP-Eleven]

$199 plus the $50 Giftcard wasn't at "many retailers". The latter was a GameStop promotion.

[Ashlen]

What is even the point of saying this? Xbox had equal sales and a new console and they still got outsold.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Wow. The month that Scorpio launches and PlayStation still wins in xbox's very own backyard. So much for the X being Microsoft's savior, Sony has this gen locked down.

[The 10th Rider]

From the sound of things it was a great month for gaming as a whole. Spending was up substantially compared to previous years.

[Theknightofnights]

I think it's funny that someone disagreed with this.

"Can't be neutral 'round here parts!"

[septemberindecember]

@mogambo5

Or every company legitimately had a good month?

@Geeebeeee

By the way some of these guys act, I’d rather be against. No offense.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Especially for PS4, it outsold both 😎

[Gunstar75]

Far too sensible a comment. Remember this is a fan-war zone 😂

[Neonridr]

so we have an article that doesn't confirm anything? Other NPD charts had clear numbers.. what was this nonsense? PS4's sold more consoles, but Xbox generated more revenue due to the added cost of the X?

[MasterCornholio]

“More units of PlayStation 4 hardware sold in November 2017 than any other month life-to-date,” NPD analyst Mat Piscatella said. “PlayStation 4 is the best-selling video game hardware platform year-to-date.”

" NPD credits that growth to all three major devices. It’s clear that Xbox fans were waiting for the upgraded 4K-capable Xbox One X system or a price drop on the Xbox One S. The $500 Xbox One X led to this platform generating more revenue than Sony or Nintendo, but the Xbox One also had its best November so far in terms of unit sales."

Apparently it's been confirmed by NPD.

But as for numbers you have to be aware that those figures are made available to those that pay for them. They usually are leaked through NEOGAF though so I suggest keeping an eye out for them there.

[Neonridr]

fair enough, thanks for the response. Just strange wording I guess.

[OB1Biker]

'November doesn’t have a clear winner in terms of hardware sales. Gamers bought more PS4s than Xbox Ones or Nintendo Switch systems, but people also spent more money buying Xbox Ones:'

Its clear enough.

[Neonridr]

lol, you contradict yourself. Who won? Sony because they sold more consoles? Or MS because they generated more money overall?

[yumi76]

@Neonridr

Revenue is not profits. That's why this is so overstated. If they brought in more money selling X's which are being sold at a loss then there isn't a lot of profit. What they want is sales numbers to drive sales of things like software that actually generate profits and gain market share.

Console sales is the important number in this business.

[ABizzel1]

@Neonridr

Revenue does not equal profit. Xbox X is selling at a loss according to MS, so while it generated more revenue ($500 * number sold vs. $199 * number sold), it almost certainly didn't generate more profit.

[Neonridr]

@ABizzel1 - I never said profit. I said more money.

[fiveby9]

Does MS sell the X1X at break even or a loss?. X1X is being sold to existing X1 owners who felt like X1 was a gimped console. They are not likely gaining many PC or PS4 owners. MS had to stop the bleeding of its userbase is why X1X exists. Where will X1X be once the initial sales bump wears off? WIll they outsell either PS4 or Switch in the coming year? MS must announce and deliver on compelling games. That has to be their focus if they intend to compete. Userbase size is mot important to these companies as it benefits attach rate of games sold.

[thisismyaccount]

Especially when you consider the following :

- Microsoft being selling poorly their Xbones for months, around the 100k in the US 5months straight iirc before the X launched
- Worldwide i have my doubts that there´s another country outselling the US turf, so in total my estimate WW sales prior the X i would set them around 0.5mill. Xbones each month (100k US, 400K around the world. Seems plausible to me, the US market being their strongest market and making up roughly 65% of the xbone sales).

It does not matter that revenuewise they won November, when your previous months were terrible (as stated by themselves -50% less xbox this year).

Good news is :

~1.5mill. PS4 vs ~1.4mill. Xbones vs 0.9?mill. Switches ( i dont remb. the #) .. over 3mill. sold consoles nice! Few $$$$ billions this past month alone, holy cow. December and Jan. still ahead .. everyone gonna beat their prev. records during the 4quater and i got no time to play anything but a few games on ma PS4. How the fuck can you/are you all playing on multiple devices is a mystery to me.

[ZeroX9876]

@Neonridr
More money yes. The Winner = Sony, just to be clear

[Atanasrikard]

@ABizzel1 Care to substantiate your claim? I don't recall ever seeing Microsoft say they were selling the X at a loss. Not that it isn't moot because I could care less, it has no affect on my gaming at all.

[ABizzel1]

@Atanasrikard

Pick an article, anyone says the same thing.

https://www.google.com/sear...

But this one takes you straight to the point.
http://www.gamesindustry.bi...

[AspiringProGenji]

Spent more is not always “more revenues”

[Neonridr]

spending money and generating revenue are pretty closely linked. I am not a business major but I'm pretty sure they are connected.

[ABizzel1]

@Neonridr

Nope.

Revenue is the cost ($500) * the number sold.

Profit which is what matters, is Revenue - taxes, loss per console sold (XBO-X selling at a loss), etc...

[2pacalypsenow]

@Neonridr

Nope.

If I sell a product at $300 and it costs me $400 to make and I sell 100 units, I have no profit.

Now if I sell another product for $250 and it costs me $100 to make and I only sell 1 unit, I've made more profit of that 1 unit than 100 of the others.

[yumi76]

PS4 1.58m
XBO 1.37m

[OB1Biker]

Its clear enough for me and I dare say most gamers.

Xbox won

Haha just kidding

Edit:
Do you really need the journalists to tell you and then lap it up?

[OB1Biker]

Hey maybe its not clear for you because it depends what your looking for.
Best selling console is PS4
More money is Ms
Ultimately though, we all know the result is disapointing for Xbox

[ABizzel1]

Revenue is not profit. MS sells the XBO at a loss, more than likely they did not make more money. The XBOs would have had to sell at least 50% of its gross sales and it had to be selling at a profit even though it was cut down to $189 which is unlikely as well.

MS more than won "revenue", but more than likely took a loss in profit when it came to hardware.

[OB1Biker]

@AB
Thanks for explanation. Im not really bothered about which makes more money tbh

[fiveby9]

Well as stated above more revenue does not necessarily translate to profit. If X1X is sold at a loss or break even then MS profits are potentially less than Sony's this month. I can't say if MS is disappointed. The sales numbers may be good. But are they growing market share? Not really. And these are NPD numbers for NA. I imagine worldwide, Sony really continues to put distance between themselves and MS.

[_-EDMIX-_]

??? You arguing over a number?

Smh

PS4 outsold Switch and xb.... WORLDWIDE

[Neonridr]

good for Sony. They had an amazing year. I know because I played a bunch of their games. I also know Nintendo had a fabulous year. I know because I played a bunch of their games.

A lot of people like to pretend they know what the other half offers, but ironically enough don't actually own the hardware to know for themselves :P

[MasterCornholio]

Well that's probably because they didn't do a good enough job with making the description of the article. Many times the meaning is lost unless you read the article itself. I've made this mistake plenty of times in the past due to an unclear description of an article.

[LP-Eleven]

So we should believe that YOU own the hardware that you're always ready to put down? >_>

[Lime123]

It means that Switch ended in very good last place.

[TheColbertinator]

In other news,I win.

[UCForce]

Ok? How is that win for you ?

[Christopher]

Because he's a gamer.

[UCForce]

@Christopher I don’t know about that, he said radical stuff about Microsoft by “ worship” them. You don’t need to look his comments because you will know where he is coming from.

[bluefox755]

I'm pretty sure he's just a provocateur (the other word will probably get my comment flagged). It's tough to tell on here, but yeah, the "worship" type stuff seems too silly and over the top to be serious.

[Atticus_finch]

That's a low standard to call someone a gamer.

[rainslacker]

His comments are more fun when you realize he is a joke troll. Taking things to the idiotic extreme. I know it's getting harder to tell nowadays, but his comments of late have been more obvious.

@krangs

Can't speak for most of the mods, but I'd put Chris more on the ps side, and cool beans as well.

In any case what does it matter? People get flagged from both sides and the content getting approved is by the community. Most articles can be approved by as little as 2-3 people regardless of which console the article covers. Mods at most only fail stories, don't block the community from approving them.

Learn how the site runs before assuming it's biased, because despite me being a Sony fan, I haven't felt a Xbox slant to this site since the x1 was revealed

[RAM0N]

The tides have returned.

Not even the x could help the Xbox one win November npd.

[FallenAngel1984]

Great deals are the key to success

[mercyblades]

From the Twitter accounts that I follow, that highlight deals, flash sales, etc. I saw a lot of buzz with regards to those PSVR bundles. People REALLY like those Doom and Skyrim bundle. Naturally, those Slim deals looked great too.

[Christopher]

Either that or bundling a Star Wars game with your console when the latest and biggest movie if the same IP is about to release.

[yumi76]

Gotta love the non-stop bias towards Microsoft. Microsoft may have seen more revenue in the console space due to the launch of the X but PS4 had more total hardware revenue if you include PS4 and PSVR. And software sales continue to be dominated by PS4.

"More units of PlayStation 4 hardware sold in November 2017 than any other month life to date. PlayStation 4 is the best-selling video game hardware platform year to date."

PS4 had it's best month since launch. (and is on track to have it's best year as well)

So on the launch month of the X in Microsoft's strongest region North America PS4 had it's best month ever. Let that sink in.

"Xbox One hardware generated its highest unit sales tally of any November month life to date."

Xbox had it's best "NOVEMBER" since launch.

[OB1Biker]

Good break down.
I can imagine the sentionalist titles if, as was supposed to happen after 18 months of ridiculous hyping up from PR and from the media, xb1 was the top seller for the x launch.
Turning the tide, tables upside down, momentum and all the usual BS

[yumi76]

I'm sure Microsoft has had it's "best selling console" commercial loaded into the VCR for the past year and a half lol. I hear Aaron Greenberg didn't even get the security deposit back on the clown suit he planned to wear, unfortunately the sweat stains wouldn't wash out after all the practice speeches he gave.

[Eonjay]

On a side note analysts suck but the worst prediction this year came from Aaron Greenberg who said that the X was on track to be the hottest item of the holiday in sales. He knew the S would outsell it but his plan was to win and then say it was the X. Somewhere DF is trying to cash their check before Aaron puts in a stop pay.

[yumi76]

@Eonjay

Yea, DF is the worst, when I look back at PS4 vs the original xbo comparisons they never said things like best place to play or most powerful console ever. Even when the games were higher resolution better frame rates and higher quality post processing they did there absolute best to legitimize the xbo. I don't know what the deal is I'd like to imagine they just prefer Microsoft consoles, but the obvious truth is that there is almost certainly money trading hands.

But the thing that really blew my mind was Gamestop talking about how X's were selling out as fast as they got in stock when you could go on their website and see them available constantly both to buy online and available in store. X never once has been sold out at Gamestop, the pre-orders didn't sell out and it was always in stock post launch. And every retailer always had them, the only retailer that ever reported sold out was Best Buy and that was literally just launch day online every store in my area had them for in store pickup and the day after launch they put them back up for online sales.

And the worst was the fans on this site who simply refused to acknowledge that they didn't sell out even when presented with facts and even though it was ridiculously easy to just go to any of the websites and put in your area code and see that they were available.

I'll be honest even I thought that X would at least win launch months NPD, the fact they couldn't do that really puts Microsoft fate in a painfully obviously bad position. And they got outsold by more than 200,000 which is a large amount at that.

p.s. I apologize if this was more of a reply than you wanted, I more or less just wanted to say that stuff.

[Neonridr]

Black Friday is always huge. Both did amazing. X was hurt by the lack of games. Still sold respectably.

[yumi76]

You can pretend this wasn't a loss for Microsoft and minimize it all you want, but I guarantee they were hoping to get a win in their strongest territory on the launch of the X. I promise you Microsoft wanted the X to be the big thing to turn the tides in there favor and if they can't even win the launch month that is clearly not going to be the case for them.

And keep in mind this is NPD their strongest region, if they lost this they are going to get absolutely swallowed up globally.

[yeahokwhatever]

if those gamers dont buy a TON of games this year, XBOX is in trouble.

[Neonridr]

@yumi76 - why would I need to pretend? I don't own an Xbox. This fact is lost on so many people. I am a Sony + Nintendo gamer. The only way I play MS games is on my gaming PC.

The X may very have well outsold the Pro for all we know.

[yumi76]

@Neonridr

The x may very have well outsold the Pro for all we know.

Wow could you have said anything more to minimize it than this?

But anyways, it doesn't matter publishers don't care how many Pro's or x's there are, they want to know what the total number of consoles is... How many PS4's owners can we sell too how many xboxs owners can we sell too.

And while we may never get the actual count of Pro's and x's broken down, analysts did polling prior to launch which showed more people were interested in buying a Pro than an x. And even if you just break it down by the raw number of 20% that Sony gave if both of their sales were 20% then Sony sold more Pro's by the simple virtue of selling more consoles.

And even if they didn't sell more Pro's in NA, I guarantee they did globally.

[LP-Eleven]

I don't believe for a second that you're a Sony gamer. Not with your history. All you do is defend Xbox.

[Moonman]

Exactly, Sony's PS4 had it's BEST MONTH PERIOD. That should be the title. lol

[yomfweeee]

Says PS4 sold the most but no clear winner in hardware? LOL

[Moonman]

Exactly, and NPD sure didn't use the spending card when Sony had a $599 PS3 ten years ago. lol

[King_Lothric]

That "spending" card seems to be used out of the sleeve just to make up something to give Microsoft but we all know spending is not the same as revenue and Sony got more units sold and more revenue.

[BenjaMan64]

All three consoles are awesome and I hope that their players enjoy gaming this holiday and all throughout 2018.

[Jinger]

Just looking at your upvote/downvote ratio for such a good comment about all gamers and consoles is just sad. You people need to get a damn life if you honestly get this worked up about sales numbers.

[BenjaMan64]

Eh, it's okay. Getting downvotes in this site is sometimes a badge of honor. proof one isn't part of the fanboy, herd mentality.

Playing Arkham Knight right now in my PS4, in the weekend I'll play some Xenoblade Chronicles 2 in my Switch, and hopefully I'll get to watch my brother playing RE7's End of Zoe DLC in his XB1 (I'd like to play it too, but it's his, it'd be rude to play it without his permission). Being able to enjoy all consoles is amazing.

[GNCFLYER]

Wow. Genuinely shocked but damn PS4 is the domination station across the nation..

[AmUnRa]

No, PS4 is the domination station across the WORLD....😉

[Moonman]

So Sony won November. Quit with the spin...lol. Let Sony have the title of the article at least. You must outsell not just outspend Sony in order to catch up in hardware...lmao.

[masterfox]

Is great to see lots of people did the right choice and got a PS4 instead of a xbone or that thing called Switch , PS4 had lots of new stunning games this year almost every month, while the competition had a bizarre gaming line up, sorry I don't get excited for just two good games in a period of almost 9 months and re-releases, not to mention expensive as hell with hell low specs.

Next year PS4 once again will deliver stunning games!, while the competition will remain in sadness with a dull library(xbonex and Switch), think I'm joking about that dull library ?, well just google it then. :D

[Tobse]

How ignorant can one be... People choose different platforms for different reasons. PlayStation for sp, Xbox for mp and switch for fun. Try to open up and play everything instead of beeing a anti gamer

[UCForce]

And why PS4 sold more than these two ? Was it because SP games or pretty graphics ? It was Sony First Party Studio that take risk and surprise people in unexpected way. It’s also because First Party Exclusive Games give Console an identity. The Switch sold 10 million units in Worldwide just 8 months. Way faster than Xbox One launch. Thank to Switch Exclusive games. So try to understand what make competition is great in first place. Because right now, one is just ignoring and other two are fighting to compete for better cause.

[Tobse]

So noone bought Xbox according to you. Sony won because they had the better Deals. Ms missed out on that big time.

[UCForce]

Well, people bought Xbox One X, but it isn’t sold that a lot like MS expected. And again, MS still haven’t reveal their hardware sales 4 years now.

[Tobse]

700k in 1 month for a 500$ mid gen console in the US only isnt good?
If it was all about first Party games and exclusives dont you think switch would be #1 instead of beeing last? Ps4 hasnt had anything new outside gt Sport exclusives wise lately. Think about it

[yumi76]

Oh it's NailheadGames here try aggressively try to convince people not to buy his new game. You can stop now I'm already not interested in anything you make.

"700k in 1 month for a 500$ mid gen console in the US only isn't good? "

Where did you come up with this number... oh you made it up gotcha.

Just so you know Mat Piscatella, ya know the guy from NPD who wrote the basis for the article your reading estimated than X would only sell about 600,000 total by the end of the fiscal year.

BTW PS4 had good first and third party exclusive games all year including GT Sport and next year is even more stacked.

Oh and PS4 has won every NPD this year. This was the norm not a coincidence based on deals and the sales. PS4 would have been even higher except they sold out at most retailers before Black Friday even started. Oh and it was a real sell out not a fake one like X had when GameStop said they were sold out of x's even when they were available at every location.

[TallonIV]

How much is sony paying you? LMFAO!

[zivtheawesome]

So I guess the report that PS4 did 1.6 million, Xbox 1.4mil and switch 800k was correct as it matches the facts given in this.

[Jinger]

Kinda surprised Switch didnt sell at least a mil.

[Tazzy]

I don't see how being that Nintendo outsold both on Thanksgiving day black Friday and cyber Monday.

[zivtheawesome]

that report was false BS that i called out on it when it was revealed and i remeber being seriously disagreed on. their numbers were just wrong.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

PS4 V Switch the true battle Xbone was the just holder for the king

[Jinger]

Pretty sure xbox outsold the Switch tho..

[Krangs_Uncle]

The spin in these articles and bias towards MS is incredible, lol. Just look how that 1st paragraph is phrased - it is killing them to say Sony won NPD (and had their best month ever I might add).

All they insinuate is that MS actually won, by bringing in more revenue, but how about they add up the revenue Sony took in through their peripherals, software, all combined with their hardware.

Sony won, end of... No amount of spin will change that. Quite embarrassing really, and doesn't bode well for future support on the X.

[LP-Eleven]

Yup!

[King_Lothric]

That's right. Is pathetic and ridiculous how the article tries to made up something out from thin air just to try and give Microsoft at least something positive when there is none. PS4 won and that's it. No excuses.

[corroios]

they also forget that Microsoft loses money on every single X.... But no problem it got the power of 1080TI, lol.

[GNCFLYER]

I don't get the spin either. I'm american and Xbox is the media darling. Everyone is media fights for the Xbox like crazy.

Pub g is another example. Despite all it's frame rate problems and pop in all the usual suspects gave it a free pass talking about how great it is.

If sony released it, that game would have got beaten into the dirt about what a mess it was.

Shows you that most gamers aren't influenced by media thank god.

[kowan]

Well, they did release the more expensive Xbox one X so obviously people are going to spend more money on that.

[Inzo]

This is actually pleasantly surprising because I was sure with MSs marketing and the Xbox 1x launch it would take November but nope, turns out that the Juggernaut that is Playstation is unstoppable.

[corroios]

Huge fail for Microsoft. If it cant even on launch month on the US sell more then Sony after 15 of more months of tryng to hype.... It just shows the reality of videogaming.

[Tobse]

Great sales for the industry overall. Up yoy is always good

[ILostMyMind]

"Feel True Power" of PlayStation.

[King_Lothric]

The king is beasts.

[PS3_Noob]

lolwut.

PS4 outsolf switch 2:1 so most certainly will be 1stin NPD for 2017. I do not think Xbox will beat Switch though unless December is very favorable for Xbox. Switch will be 2nd for this year.

[DiRtY]

Any numbers for the Xbox One X yet?

[UCForce]

Still waiting for MS to come out and reveal it. But apparently, they don’t want to.

[majiebeast]

In the US its 430K for November.

[Malice-Flare]

so, more spending on XBox, but is that machine even selling at cost or a loss? i know the $189 XB1 sold at a loss...

[Tross]

Wow, I hate to say it, but it doesn't bode well if the XB1 can't move more units than the PS4 on the month the X launched...which is also the month of Black Friday, one of if not the most crucial day of the year to get some extra sales in, to finish out the year strong.

[Mr_Luke]

More consoles sold: PS4
More money spent on a console (because expensive...): Xbonex

So, once again, people preferred the PS4. And loyal fans spent those $500 on the X. And this was in November, the month that had to be the best one for the XboneX. To be honest i wasn't expecting that at all, i thought that in the release period it would sell a lot more than the other consoles... and now i foresee a drop in sales for the X.

"this month doesn't have a clear winner in terms of hardware sales"... wrong! When a console sells more than another one, that's the winner. Or are they saying that if they sell 100 PS4 ($199 each, example) for a total of $19900 or 2 Xbonex ($10000 each, for example) for a total of $20000... the X is the winner? Mh...

[sk8ofmnd]

Where are all the xbox dudes now? Its true that in fact most people STILL give no fncks what console has the better version of third partys... it didnt matter with the ps2, ps3, and now i know shocking it still doesnt matter in fall 2017

I can see the podcasts cashing in on this news

At least when the xb1s launched it won 3 straight npd's... Even then many xbox dudes were calling for a comeback after that. Now we have the "beast" getting merked by a nintendo console thats 200$ cheaper and significantly less powerful (6-8x) and a sony console thats 2-300$ cheaper and less powerful (3-5x)... Yup people clearly want a console with a rocky past and no must have exclusives for 2017 or 2018 outside cuphead.

I hope you xbox 1x dudes are happy with your 500$ purchase because if sales like this continue in 6 months we could see ms slash the price to 399$. Its what happened with the og xbox and its what happened to the xb1s.

[corroios]

because the S is cheap and got very good deals. The X is expensive and only when it drops to 249 or less will start to sell big numbers. The rez and better multiplats means zero for the average gamer.

[ILostMyMind]

XBX $250? Maybe in 2022.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Even with the launch of the X the PS4 STILL killed it. Glad it's still dominating as it should be.

[Pickledpepper]

I really struggle to understand some people's logic about who's got the best console, I'm not biased I own every console I've had since I was a kid i have about 26 and still play them now even the atari 2600. I own all playstation consoles except the pro but my console of choice is xbox why does that cause people to get so worked up? I hope all companies do well, works out better for gamers does it not?

[synistatha1]

Why is xbox your console of choice if u dont mind me asking

[ILostMyMind]

This does not matter. What intrigues me is if he does not care about the opinion of others on which is the best console, why did he state which one was best for him?

[synistatha1]

To u i lostmymind i was interested in what made him decide to make that choice. He could have made a compelling argument for me to purchase one. How do i know if i dont aske

[Pickledpepper]

The main reason is the controller if I'm honest and xbox live. I did enjoy the last of us on ps3 even brought it on the ps4 and played through it again. I didn't go much on uncharted but that's just my opinion I'm know lots of people enjoyed it. Sorry for late reply

[Pickledpepper]

With all the hate towards ms and hostility on this site if I care about others opinions I would not have stated I prefer xbox. As I said before its just my preferred console but I do game on the others. I love doom on my sega 32x spent hours as a kid playing it

[Pantz]

I feel bad for all those Kids who won't see 4K this Christmas. Xbox One X earned more money and gave the gift of 4K to all and too all a good night.

[Atticus_finch]

Yea all those poor 25 mil+ gamers still playing in sub 1080p in 2018. Sad for those Xbox owners and M$ who can't even make profit.

[Pantz]

??? Unless you work for Microsoft or Sony, you have no clue what either of their profit margins are. My comment is factual, Xbox One X earned more money, and gave the gift of 4K to all.

[Atticus_finch]

Poor pantz
Gave the gift of 4k by only asking you to buy another $500 Xbox. How generous lol.
I don't have to work for either one because I can use common sense and Google. But I do feel bad for all those kids who felt so insecure by PS4 that they spent $500 on another xbox1, shame.
https://www.google.com/amp/...

[Tazzy]

Yeah they sure gave the gift of 4k especially with PUBG and its Xbox 360 looking graphics.

[Pantz]

1 million users know that PUBG is 4K, HDR, and a game preview (WIP).

[Atticus_finch]

That 4k makes the games look better that's why Pubg is the best looking game of 2017. Lmao

[Pantz]

Forza 7 is the current best looking released game on any platform.

[Atticus_finch]

Pants Forza doesn't look as good or detailed as GTs go watch the DF comp again. But the best looking game is HZD or the lost legacy.

[Pantz]

Yes 4K for only $500. You need a $2000 PC if you want do match the power of X1X. That PC will be huge, noisy, and most of the times the games won't even support HDR. I don't get your point, $500 is a steal.

[ocelot07]

$2000?

I hope this is a joke right?

[Pantz]

$2000 is a kind estimate. I doubt there is any PC on the market right now as powerful as the X1X with the same size and noise levels, that you can buy off a store shelf. Like I said, most PC games still don't even support HDR yet. There was an article yesterday I think that said the X1X GPU has the memory of a GTX 1080 TI. That's $800 just to start and those would hardly fit in the X1X box.

[Tazzy]

Theres PCs out that gamers build themselves that do 8k 12k 16k PC gamers buy the best parts for their rigs and play with the best graphics and frame rates than any console its fact. So to say theres not a PC out there right now thats as powerful as Xbox One X is absurd. I only game on console and I know nothing on a console touches PC gaming its a fact if people think otherwise they're wrong.

Forza 7 8k getting close to 60fps https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Tazzy]

4k and looks like crap with huge frame rate drops the Xbox One X was brought out and people are sitting back laughing at the fact that people hype it as this beastly console but it struggles running a game that looks like an Xbox 360 game. Doom performs better on a handheld then that game does in 4k on your beastly console.

[nismo370]

Bye bye xbox one x

[Hugodastrevas]

There's no stopping the PS4 train!

[Enjoigamin]

Pretty sure the xbox and PlayStation and switch are the only consumer products where people care about sales so much. It's truly mind boggling. I just need a switch to have them until but seriously happy for all who care but at the same time it's pretty pathetic and sad. Well I'm going back to compare mr coffee and keurig sales and then see if samsung is outselling vizio. And then iphone sales to samsung galaxy sales. Then Angel soft tp to charmin ultra../s

Good job Sony and MS. You make me a happy gamer regardless of the sales numbers.

[DJStotty]

I dont think Microsoft as a business will be that bothered about being 2nd if they are making more revenue than the competition

[Pricey]

The education system is obviously not what it once was. Revenue != Profit.

[Vasto]

Exactly,

Sony can sell PS4s all day but they don't make money so whats the point?

This is why Nintendo is now worth more then Sony.

[Ashlen]

Sony profits rise 346% thanks to strong performance from PlayStation gaming unit

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/1...

[ILostMyMind]

"but they don't make money"

Zeus, can I kill myself now? I think there is no hope for mankind anyway.

[Vasto]

4 years of PS4 sales and then this happens.

Just a couple months of Switch sales. LOL

https://nintendosoup.com/ni...

[Father__Merrin]

Sony stomps Microsoft in its own backyard...

[WelkinCole]

Gamers don't care where the company is from. They only care about the games on the console.

[Skankinruby]

Then why is US the only country in the world where xbox can ever even come close?

[AmUnRa]

And that for 12 months, so the whole year. And when whe talk about the rest of the world..lets not do that, thats to painfull😉

[neocores8055]

NICE!!!!!!!!! I thought People were saying Switch out sold botch the XBOX and PS4 in NOVEMBER???

[Vizigoth04]

It's crazy to admit I have a close friend and couple that usually is all Xbox yet she went out and got themselves a PS4 during black Friday just to play Crash.

[Doabarrelroll]

To people asking how many units the X sold I have the actual numbers using various sources. The X sold exactly...............less than the PS4 that is all....

Also its funny seeing peace walker, septuc damage control with GT sport sales out of fanboy desparation. Its okay if Gt sport wasn’t in NPD, it sold WAY better than Forza globally thats what matters more not one country

[majiebeast]

the X sold 430K.

[Elda]

The Playstation Domination train just can not be stopped!!

[Vasto]

Microsoft does what it does best.

They make the money.

The domination continues. LMAO

[Ashlen]

It's not the Xbox division that's making all the money.

Congratulations on being the sorest loser in the article. *slowest clap possible*

[Vasto]

Who said anything about ALL THE MONEY?

Enjoy your jelly and salt.. lol

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Here's a Kleenex go to the bathroom and clean yourself up its pathetic to be so emotional over ms losing

[BIGBOSS08]

Having a meltdown? Xbox fanboys are going out of their minds and trying to come up with all sorts of excuses. It must hurt that your beast hasn't changed shit. Lol on the month DA X FLOP launched, sony have their best month ever in the US. Sony shiting on microsoft again.

[Tazzy]

Sure and Microsoft will be making more money once their games appear on all platforms PC mobile Playstation Nintendo its coming.

[FITgamer]

I know it's surprising isn't it? Who would have thought you make more money selling a product that is 2.5x the cost of the competitor? /s

On a serious note, still doesn't translate to profit. Especially considering they aren't making a dime on XB1X sales at $500. Also selling more consoles, like Sony did, translates to more software being sold which is where the money is really at.

[Vasto]

All we care about is the $$$$$.

This is why Microsoft is at the top while Sony remains at the bottom.

Even Nintendo got them and all they do is video games. LOL

https://nintendosoup.com/ni...

[Lime123]

PlayStation division this FY will probably make 1,5 billion dollars profit - biggest ever for PlayStation. Xbox?

[keegan113]

Of course Xbox did better in terms of spending the X was $500 but revenue doesn't equal profit! Congrats to all three though console gaming is strong:)

[jznrpg]

You could get a OG PS4 and PSVR and a couple games for the cost of the Xboxx. Or a Pro and PSVR for 50 more dollar or a Switch and PS4 and a couple games . As i have been shopping online for Christmas since the X launched they have been in stock and even the Scorpio was available that first week some places. MS did much worse than even I expected but I am not surprised, where is the value in buying a new console with limited library at a considerable premium in price?. MS did not make much money on those Xs if any at all and if those were mostly xbox fans buying the X after owning Xb1 than they got no new subscriptions which really hurts them. I hope this teaches them the lesson that games matter and being honest matters and are humbled and they change strategy but I doubt it, that is their culture

[cell989]

It’s worth noting that COD plays a role on this. Kids want it for Christmas and all their friends play it on PS so the PS4 becomes a hot item for Christmas lists.

[quiddd]

"...but people also spent more money buying Xbox Ones than PS4s or Nintendo's Switch, according to industry tracking firm The NPD Group" What kind of spin is that?

[ILostMyMind]

This must be the new trend... "Who spent more money". 😝

[BIGBOSS08]

I like how they put in the spending bit to cushion the blow for xbox losing the month. They can't even win the launch month of new hardware. I knew it because microsoft have been so quiet. If they had sold the most they would never shut up about it. I also like how sony haven't boasted at all and they've just had their best month ever in the US selling note than 1.6m ps4's.

[King_Lothric]

Even Nintendo won their launch month.

[Smokingunz]

The x sold well and brought it tons of revenue despite the fact that Sony fans was using the excuse that the console has no games lol I guess Microsoft kicked but without any games now that's an impressive fest. The system has tons of games Mabye not a lot of exclusives but they have games.

[Krysis]

This website has become a giant circle jerk.

[jlove4life]

If PlayStation keep their foot on the gas then its game over far as other 2 having top spot for generations to come look at it this way most gamers friends are in the PlayStation eco system as well as back catalogue of games that will help with should I buy ps5 or xbox x[2] squared IF PlayStation dont fudge it up

[PSG4MER]

PS4 reigns King.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

This report doesn't suggest domination in the slightest sense of the word. Ps4 was $199 and had more exclusive and didn't manage to sale significantly more than usual.

[Ashlen]

Perhaps your mistaking global numbers for NPD which is just North America. PS4 sold in North America the amount it normally sells globally.

PS4 sold over 200,000 more units than Xbox that basically an entire month of sales outside of the holidays.

And the big thing your clearly overlooking was this was the month that the X launched yet PS4 still outsold it considerably.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

X is $300 more than a PS4

[Razzer]

343

And One S is cheaper than PS4. So despite the launch of the "beast" and an option even cheaper than base PS4, PS4 still wins. If One X can't even win its launch month.....Xbox needs some serious help. Oh hey....I know. How about more damn games?

[ILostMyMind]

@343_Guilty_Spark
"X is $300 more than a PS4"

But "It is a Monster". Right?

[Christopher]

It was their best month ever. How is that not significant?

[BIGBOSS08]

Ps4 is having its best year since launch in the US. Xbox is opposite having its worst year since launch by a lot even with the launch of new hardware. How much more simply can I put It so you brain dead robotic xbox fanboys will understand? And this is the US. Worldwide figures would make you guys suicidal.

[Razzer]

Domination or not, PS4 is still king. One X be damned.

[majiebeast]

Actually PS4 did above 1.6MIl while the XB1X sold around 1.3mil that is domination.

[Jules__Badguy]

The PlayStation-Nintendo-PC Triumvirate rules supreme

[Hardiman]

Very impressive indeed! PlayStation is just on a roll!!!

[jojo319]

I’m actually stunned that most people in this thread would love nothing more than a monopoly.

[ILostMyMind]

There are three companies in the market. Two of them are doing very well. What monopoly are you talking about? 🤔

[Ryuujinjakka]

I'm actually stunned that some people still don't know what MS business strategy is, because monopoly is exactly what they are seeking.

[spanner]

Playstation continues to steamroller xbox.
What a BEAST

[corroios]

What is hard to understand sony sold much more consoles even with the launch of the x. Sold much more and increase market share in the us. The x wasnt able to have somekind of impact and stoped sony from winning another month. Done, move along. The doesnt change nothing

[ILostMyMind]

This is not hard to understand. Sony showed the games, Microsoft did not. People buy consoles for its games, not its specifications. History proves this. PS4 and Switch are safe.

[Mr Marvel]

While the PS4 (Pro) is my main console, I do enjoy my Switch too.
I just find it funny that people go crazy when the Switch has a good month and outsells the PS4. I think they forget that the Switch is less than a year old while the PS4 is still selling like crazy after being on the market for over 4 years.

70+ million vs 10+ million... that a huge gap no matter how you look at it.
As for the XBone, well... seriously, who gives a f**k out that.