Qore is Making You Pay for Demos

When Qore was first announced the Playstation 3 crowed wasn't sure on how to react.

Sure, a monthly magazine that gives access to exclusive demos sounds cool on paper, but a lot of people were afraid that Qore would "steal" free demos from the regular Playstation Store updates.

When the Motorstorm: Pacific Rift demo was made available for those who purchased Qore episode #4 people were getting a little mad.

Qore's supporters claimed that Qore doesn't "steal" free demos and make you pay for them, but get access for demos that were never suppose to come out otherwise.

This week, with issue number 5 of Qore we find out that's not true.
Valkyria Chronicles demo is available only for those who purchased Qore episode #5.
But, on the European Playstation Store - where Qore is not available - the Valkyria Chronicles demo is also available. For free.

[PirateThom]

New plan: Make a European account.

Something that would never have been said a few months ago.

[avacadosnorkel]

I really just wish I had European money

[HighDefinition]

First, they aren`t MAKING you pay for anything.

How XBL can get away w/ MAKING you pay to play online, and people try to critize things like things like Qore or Home(which is free) is beyond me.

[TheTwelve]

I'm a Sony fanboy but paying for a demo that is free in Europe? No, no, no, that can't be right. Surely there is something we are getting for free that they must pay for???

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[nbsmatambo]

its not like u r just paying for the demo, u r paying for other exclusive stuff as well..

[Cenobia]

You don't HAVE to pay for the demo. I'm fairly certain the Qore subscribers just get it early. We'll probably get it next week or the week after. The same thing happened with the Naruto demo.

Or you could make a UK account and download it now.

[scheme_a]

Slow down.
If you want to get the VC demo for free, just get an EU account and download.
If not and you want more stuff, subscribe to qore.

Option is there and you get to choose.
If you go to PSN store, you know that you still get tons of demos for free even without qore. They just get them earlier.

I don't understand what the fuss is all about.

[Cryos]

I don't understand the fuss either.

Honestly, I paid for the year subscription, and I enjoy the videos of behind the scenes features. Not to mention I got Calling All Cars, which I wouldn't have bought, but I find it to be amusing and fun! Not to mention the beta and that weird pong-type game that kept my cat amused, lol.

I've gotten a lot of enjoyment out of subscribing to Qore, and there is so much more to it than just the demos

[leila01]

Sony makes you pay for Betas, Demos... but hey, it's ok, it's Sony. They strip down the PS3 of almost all it's contents (BC, USB, SD card slot...). The PS3 had several price cuts just a few months after it's release... You guys are just hypocrites and like to smell Sony's fart.

[Dino]

It's not an expensive buy. Not to mention HD videos on my big screen instead of a monitor are worth the price of admission. Three words- get a job. My only gripe is downloading an episode and then trying to download a demo only to find out it's "not available yet".

[kingOVsticks]

"Just create another account if you don't want to pay for live.
Sony makes you pay for Betas, Demos... but hey, it's ok, it's Sony"

Do you even "think" before you type? You self owned yourself with that comment. Alright,lets use that grayish chunk of flesh in are heads that's called a brain okay? You have to pay a fee of 50 dollars in order to play on xbox live...PSN is free,the demos are free,Qore isn't sony,IF you want to participate in SOME of the betas and see exclusive interviews,previews etc then you can subscribe to Qore for 25 bucks which is reasonable for any gaming magazine(what it is).So just calm your happy a$$ down and go back to sniffing Sharpie's

[badz149]

Qore is not a demo, it's an interactive digital magazine with lots of things and DEMOs are among those things you can get from subscribing it! I buy game magazines and I got lots of stuff from it too like contest, posters, demo discs etc. so, what's the problem with Qore? it's a more interesting type of magazine which cost a lot lesser than hard copy magazines! so, OK VC demo only come with Qore in NA! you really want it that badly, just make an EU account and you still can get it for free as you wanted to!

Sony stripped down the PS3? you do know that you can use any type of USB hub and Card reader for PS3, right? you can get those for cheap elsewhere, plus, not everybody is using those! BC is rumoured to be added as software emulation later on and I think they are working on it! but if you insist, what do you think of M$ stripping HDD from the core SKU? and what do you think about selling a console with the ability to use wireless controllers but has no WiFi built in? ironic isn't it? just stop worrying other people's fart because you're obviously suffocating in M$'s fart yourself!

[Pennywise]

Funny I am in U.S.A. and I have the Valk demo without qore. This article is fail on so many levels.

They should of just released it on the US store, but come on people... noone is forcing your hand or wallet.

[Delive]

How is this aspect unlike Live? Gold members get demos before silver members. To get this early access, you have to pay. I see no fault here.

[BrunoM]

humm is not taking any demos away from any one these is just stupid ... motorstorm .. is something people get for GETING QORE ... so didint take it from any where and as far as todays QORE ... is the same as with Europeans we here in NA got the thing that we got to ge things befor every one else .. they got the demo in the EU today for free and will ending up geting it here ...

come on sometimes is kinda stupid the post i see here i dont see how its taking anything away from me ..

but ok ..

every one can think wht ever they mai like ...

as for me i got a Eu PSN a JAP psn and my normal one NA ..

[morganfell]

You mean the way OXM makes you buy the magazine to get demos?

[HairyBrownSack]

uhhhh, what? you mean the same exact demos you get for FREE on Live before OXM even hits the newstands? Those demos?

lol, what a dumbass droid.

face it, BS3 is garbage! :)

[theEnemy]

Looks who's talking garbage..

Oh, you can't reply now aren't you?

[PopEmUp]

remember once you are a garbage or always a garbage hahaha

[Pain]

dont wana pay to play demo's? dont then.

[Nitrowolf2]

will i think sony should only pack exclusive demo to qore, and not timed or available on other country account. Its pretty dumb becuase allot of people will do it just for the demo, so why not get it off of EU account instead of paying. If the demo can only be played through qore then i am fine but whne they allow it to be played for free through other account then i think that is stealing our money. But hey nobody is forcing you to buy qore so.

[peedie16]

you don't have to buy Qore if you don't want to

[jack who]

and the farmboyz cry bout live lol

[Thoas]

Did you read the article tard? The demo is free in Europe, Making a PSN account anywhere in the world is free. Man Xbots get dumber everyday.

[Parapraxis]

It's a business.
Sony really needs money right now.
MS is making MILLIONS on Live!
14 million subscribers x 50$ subscriptions?
And some idiots are getting mad at Sony for charging 2.99$ for a digital mag.?
Give me a break.

[godmoney]

It's for making demos available for free in Europe and for cost in NA...
I actually think that $3.00 is a pretty good deal for Qore when it has good episodes (only episode 4 for me 'till now...).

[Parapraxis]

Sony has to make Qore appealing somehow. It's nice they released the demo in the Uk at the same time, it's easy for people to make a UK account if they don't wanna bother with Qore. It's not like Sony doesn't realize people have multiple accounts for different regions.

[godmoney]

Don't make Qore appealing by preventing users from getting demos other users already get for free.
Make it appealing by actually get exclusive demos - like Dead Space demo. Or maybe access to Home, Killzone 2, Resistance 2 and LBP betas.

Even get exclusive demos that doesn't come out on the 360 - like Tomb Raider is coming just for the 360.

[villevalorox]

just make a euro account, it takes 2 mins.

[SixTwoTwo]

The Motorstorm PR and Valkyria Chronicles demos were given a couple weeks in advance to the Qore members. Everyone else will get them. Qore isn't forcing anyone to pay for anything *roles eyes*

[Sarcasm]

Actually no, If anything the Euro PSN was updated first. Being that it's 8-10 hours ahead of the U.S.

And the demo basically came out the same time. Motorstorm was "advanced" about 2 weeks early, so that's acceptable. But Valkyria Chronicles is the example of what this article is about.

[SixTwoTwo]

Valkyria Chronicles will be on the US store next month.

[chrisnick]

its not making u pay for the demos......ur paying for gaming news...inside looks, guaranteed beta keys, and THE OPPORTUNITY TO PLAY THE DEMOS FIRST!!!!

[Harri4444]

they are already missing out on QORE why make them miss out on a demo

[incogneato]

big deal make a european account

[LinuxGuru]

With Qore, you're paying for the quality of the publication and for the content you get.

And doing so can get you early access to demos and even betas.

But keep in mind that when you are paying for Qore, you're paying for the publication, not beta or demo access.

Selling demos or betas is illegal anyways. Sony would never condone such a thing.

[Lumbo]

Could you elaborate what laws are broken when you sell a demo/beta when you have a valid license to do so?

Illegal = unlawfull, breaking laws

Afaik Windows is sold on a regular basis, and if that ain't no beta what other software is?

[DARKTRINITYxxx]

No different to buying a games magazine in the shop wich comes with demos and game trailers. And Jack Who really how can you compare. XBOX360 live gold membership is way over triple the amount Qore cost. Really if ure gonna make a comment atleast think it through 1st. You just make ureself look the silly boy you are.

[Snukadaman_]

Ahh the mentality of sony droids....when something is on xbox it is a travesty...when micro$oft pays for some exclusive content or dlc, it is seen as underhanded and unfair practices.....but when you have to pay for demos through a subscription service its suddenly ok now....in n4g's world microsoft themselves are in the financial crunch and about to go out of buisness...and the ps3 is outselling even the wii....reality will soon hit im sure....hope to see the fallout...most of those with extra accounts just logging on to confort one another....ohh the humanity indeed.

[Neo Nugget]

So what's the exclusive download for Qore this month?

[Phoenix17]

nice comeback lol XP
U just got pwnd >XD

[chanto23]

the demos and betas are extra...anyone who owns a PS3 should subcribe to Qore, they give you good interviews and videos of the PS3 versions of multiplatform and exclusive games...plus the host is hot :)

[leila01]

like you can't get them on Youtube.

[Diamondwolf]

Like you can't play multiplayer games free on PS3, Wii or PC......

See, I can do that too! yay for slow people.

[Dino]

still crappy on youtube and not as nice on an hdtv. Don't buy it then ding-dong's.

[Bathyj]

You can really tell theres not much left to criticize PS3 for. Haters are scraping the bottom of the barrel for FUD ammo. Poor little whelps. Its sad what gives them pleasure when you compare what makes us happy.

[HighDefinition]

Next will be Sony is MAKING you pay for a TV to use the PS3.

[Bigrhyno]

I didn't pay for demos. I paid for Qore because I am a big chump and would pay for anything sony put on PSN... the demos are just a very very nice bonus.

[Eddie20101]

Stop trying to find fault where there really isn't none. Demos in Qore are timed exclusive, everyone will be able to download them, usually within a couple of weeks of the Qore subscribers, Europe doesn't have downloadable magazine but will soon, it is being produced by the same people(Future Publishijing) that do Qore. When they get there magazine you will see the same thing done with demos there.

If your an Xbox fanboy, you do realize that you are paying to play a game that has Multiplayer. If Multiplayer is included in a game you should not have to pay additional money to play online. I know some people say you get more than regular online play, but no you do not, all the community stuff is free, chatting, web cam, friends list , all thats included in the free silver membership.

[Meus Renaissance]

Qore is a dumb idea, lets face it. Sony are trying to keep PSN service free and so far it's been great, but they need revenues from somewhere to maintain it, invest into it and also make some kind of return for their investments.

But what Qore offers is nothing worth it in my opinion. The idea of getting demo's early is questionable, but when Sony pride themselves in distinguishing themselves from Live's fee as much as possible then its a backwards step no matter what fashion you look at it from.

What is it most of the time? An interactive magazine? How about some exclusive gameplay footage in HD as opposed to the likes of IGN, and Gametrailers getting them first? Why not give people HOME a week early?

For Qore to mean something they need to stick to their promises of offering people direct routes to exclusive Beta's and such. I remember so many people complaining that they couldn't get into the Beta's even after they paid for the Qore subscription. That's a big fail in my opinion.

[HighDefinition]

As a OPTION which it is......

Alot of "casuals" don`t know as much as WE do about these upcoming games. It`s great as a magazine for ALOT of those people.

Myself I got it for BETAS, I`m in HOME,R2,LBP and Socom. For ME as well as "casuals" it`s completely worth it.

[Eddie20101]

You do not have to buy Qore to play any of the PS3 games online. Multiplayer online is free on the PS3. you do not have to buy Qore to play a game online, In fact you do not have to buy Qore at all if you choose not to and it will not change your experience at all. As far as demos, getting one demo a month early out of the Five to ten thats released on PSN in a month is not going to make any difference. Qore is only dumb if you not interested in it, there are plenty of people who are.

As far as betas go there has only one thats been available to Qore subscribers and thats Socom, and I had no problem downloading it. the Resistance beta has not started for Qore subscribers yet.

[Enterprise-E]

I get Qore for the one thing only. For Previews of games I want to eventualy will buy. It just happens that sometimes you get a demo which isn't the highlight most of time. Besides for 3 dollars sure as hell beats 9.99 for a magazine that gives you nothing.

[Imallvol7]

STOP IT SONY!!!

Qore is not what you said it was going to be. It's a deceptive way to say that PSN is free but not really.

I will stay happy as long as playing online multiplayer is free, but that doesn't make what your doing right.

Live vs. PSN is great for gamers. I don't understand how Qore was able to sneak attack us like this.

[FantasyStar]

If you feel that Qore is as bad as paying for themes, gamerpics, walkthrough videos, and pretty much every piece of content released on XBL unless said otherwise. Qore releasing exclusive content is just like a website,magazine, Microsoft, or anyone else securing exclusive content for a price. Interviews, Previews, Reviews, Add-on content, demo discs and so forth. You're so cushy with today's time that you forgot how magazines worked back in the old-days. Someone has it, others want it, they'll pay for it. Don't forget that Halo 3 Beta so soon now.

You have little sense of economics if you think Sony's a bigger offender than Microsoft. Pay $60 for the Halo 3 MP Beta, get Crackdown free! Pay $60 again for the full game!

[HighDefinition]

I 2nd that.

[juuken]

...Qore is optional?
Did people just suddenly forget this?

[FantasyStar]

You can never have the words "Flamebait" , "Fairness" and "Site-hits" in one sentence.

[Jubo1]

Call me crazy but, don't most people buy Qore not because of the demos but what games are getting previewed. Or at least thats why i buy them. But i do get them for free because i have a subscription to PTOM.

[Lumbo]

It is the usual way to fud people, just write whine posts all over the net regarding "evil company x FORCES you to pay y ammount of $ for z"

Following that logic Sony is forcing everyone to PAY for a Bravia TV, at gunpoint.

[Merovee]

I can, because in all FAIRNESS, this FLAMEBAIT article probably generated alot of SITE-HITS.

Theory Disproved! HA!!

[kenjix]

So now the PS3 is more like Xbox Live? What xbot would argue with that?

[Death]

Before Qore, the demos were free. You have a choice to buy Qore, but they are slowly taking away the free stuff to encourage people to pay. Taking content away isn't the best approach at adding value to something else. If they want to add value to Qore, they shouldn't do it by taking things away from non-subscribers, they should do something that wasn't previously free or in this case free in other territories.

-Death

[FantasyStar]

It's just that the highly anticipated ones(I guess) are being kept as Qore Exclusives. I don't see the big deal because a little patience and that exclusive-content is no longer exclusive, and is made available to the public. I see where you're going at with the idea of "not charging for something that was free originally" -ala Free online vs. Paid Online. I always thought of Qore as a digital magazine, and like all magazines, it comes with a price. But to better soften the blow and sweeten the deal, Qore gets the good stuff to satisfy their customers. People are too spoiled this gen, really and expect all this free stuff once they bought their consoles. I'm not saying that I'm anti-free stuff, but I know when to pay for my services, and I know when to expect them as complementary.

As long as PSN overall doesn't get degraded as a result of Qore, then I'm totally fine. I haven't noticed anything bad with PSN and it's alot better than Microsoft's business plan. You get charged for practically everything on Xbox Live; I won't go into specifics. And well..I pay my money to be on Live, yet Microsoft can't be bothered to take away all the ads on my dashboard. SO what's up with that? I follow the old saying of "it could be worst" -Right now, Sony's nowhere near as bottom-rock as Microsoft is when it comes to nickel-and-diming.

[Crazywhitie]

I did annual Subscription and i can't fine the Last 2 ep.4 or 5??? where would these be... When I Go to the Qore Folder it only has 1 2 and Annual ??

[Sarcasm]

Go to "View Downloads" on the PSN store on the upper right. Scroll down to see the latest episode to download.

[Lumbo]

The concept "making someone do something" or forcing someone seems to have watered down due to shallow minds abusing it for hatemongering.

The police may FORCE you into custody, you will actually FEEL that force.
You are FORCED to pay TAXES, otherwise you will FEEL the wrath of the IRS.
You are FORCED to eat and drink by nature, otherwise you will die.

But NO ONE forces you to buy an online mag made and sold by FUTURE PUBLISHING via the PSN store, it is completely optional. You won't get pressured or threatened if you do not buy Quore. Actually nothing will happen at all if you do not buy Quore. The same when you do not buy a TV before leaving a Target store. Or do the clerks force you to buy at gunpoint now?

Future Publishing made deals for the US market to get certain demos first, with a 1-2 weeks 'exclusivity' to have an incentive for people to buy their online mag. Sega licensed the demo to Future publishing America to be included as a timed exclusive. The same has been done for AGES by print mags without anyone wasting a second thought about it.

Sega did not make such deals for Europe, hence the demo was released to the store free of charge, as it will be done for the US store once the timed exclusivity for Future publishing ends. As the us and EU stores are separate the demo releases on the EU store have no relevance for the ones in the US store, as Europeans could tell you cause they have seen a LATE delivery of demos for AGES now. So this demo was released in Europe before the Us for a chance, nice for the europeans i guess? Quore managed to get it before the actual release date for the US market and gives it away for FREE to customers, anything unclear so far?

And lastly, Quore does not CHARGE for demos. Quore charges for the editorial content included. The Demos are a free giveaway for their customers.

People are getting ridicules now.

[PS3Freak]

Oh well, i already payed for Qore so it makes no difference to me.

[Kenny G]

qore needs more veronica belmont. she needs to show off more. demos-meh

[dragunrising]

I don't understand what the problem is. I suppose the same arguement about Xbox Live not being free is applicable; which I pay for. In my humble opinion $3 is a small price to pay. Think about it this way: "exclusive" demos are used by print magazines to sell copies. Why can't a downloadable mag do the same? It costs time and money to make demos. The return investment on a demo might not be worth it for many publishers. By having a Qore demo and preview, greater interest might be generated as the content is exclusive. If you don't think Qore is worthwhile, don't buy it.

[Jdoki]

I don't think the issue is that the demo is bundled with Quore. The issue is because one region is being asked to buy Quore if they want to play the dmeo, and another region gets it for nothing.

Or in other words 'Waa Waa Waa, that's not fair', <stamps feet and tells Mommy>!!

[PimpHandStrong]

i have bought a couple Qores and they are not worth the price! They should be free

[KidMakeshift]

This is what it comes down to

Qore is like a Xbox gold account. With a gold account, which can cost around $8 a month or $35 a year (if you find the right deal), you get demo's before silver account members (members who don't pay). Qore is what ($3 per issue or $25 annual membership) and only provides you with a early demo or sometimes beta, and a bunch of video coverage you could find for free on this site, gamevideos, or gametrailers every friday.

The PS3 has very minimal PSN updates every thursday. The content within each Qore issue should be available to all PS3 owners for free.

That's just my take

[gano]

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[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

You're just paying Sony to give you special treatment the same can be said about Netflix on XBOX Live (coming soon). Netflix on XBOX Live is only for those who subscribe as well as XNA a $100.00 annual fee for playing / creating.

I think this is kind of twisted because the whole purpose of Quore aren't the demos. What's next, a demo disc packed in with a magazine is a rip-off?

[DARKTRINITYxxx]

Yeah whatever Snukadaman. Was a mistype on my behalf was meant to say double not triple. Trust a xbot to be so quick spotting a mistype. LOL and did i praise Sony for Qore and demos NO i didnt but hey you no best NOT. I myself wouldnt buy Qore. But its fact most console magazines you can buy monthly or subscribe 6 or 12 months and they come with demos. Qore is the same you subscribe pay and get demos its fact. Not my fault you troggs pay for xboxlive and you all seem to have to justify it as not a ripoff when it clearley is FACT.

[NMC2007]

SNAP!!! LOL!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Awwww man, paying for demos is an awesome PS3 exclusive feature.

[xecutey]

This is simply Sonys way of getting cash for there online service.

Just like Microsoft charge (without hiding the fact) for there online service.

SOny needs the money for upkeep of there service and are just going about it in a different manenr to microsoft.

Whats the problem?

[Jdoki]

First off, no one is being made to do anything here. You either buy Quore or you don't. No one is making you pay for a demo.

It is just tough luck that they decided to bundle the Valkyria Chronicles demo with Quore.

Just because Europe is getting it for 'free' means nothing. We don't have Quore, so what are Sony going to do? Not release the demo in Europe at all, just to stop a minority of people whining about having to pay for something in the US?

In fact, us Europeans should be complaining because we don't even have the choice of buying Quore.

[godmoney]

It's the same as to give Qore for free in the US, but charge for it in Europe...

[P_Bomb]

All the major demos are still free on PSN (I frankly don't consider this game major). If Qore gets only 1 decent exclusive demo twice a year (which is the pace they're on right now), then whatever.

The PSN Stores all vary from region to region too so this "available here but not there" is nothing new. Japanese store has stuff like Afrika and Resident Evil that North America doesn't, the UK store has Driver which North America doesn't. Heck, Canada doesn't even have the dowloadable movie/tv service yet, beat that!

[DARKTRINITYxxx]

Yeah yeah Snukadaman ure not seeing past the point off ure own blinded MS nonsense. PSN is free LIVE isnt theres no need for MS to charge you to play online. My brother owns a XBOX360 so ive played online via live and i see no difference in the two both have a stable online enviroment. Ive had no probs playing online via PSN wich i do most nights since the PS3 released. Like i say justify you paying for LIVE all you want but we all know MS charge you because XBOX360 owners are mug enough to pay to play online. And with Home comming it just makes ure pay to play on line look even more pathetic.