Agheil writes - "Fellowgamers, for most it's obvious that Sony takes the cake when it comes to first party studios but I wasn’t really sure how big of a difference it was, then i found out. It’s big."
I've known for a while that Sony studios a jump and a skip ahead of microsoft studios.
Jump and skip ahead? haha maybe i just havent heard that phrase before
Yeah, micirost needs to catch up.
Sony studios "jumpt and skip ahead of Microsoft studios" in the days of the PS3. Now with the PS4 the Sony studios are killing Microsoft studios with great AAA GAMES and new IP's. Thats the true.
That though was long loool you made it clear. But yeah, sony hands down.
The list was So it’s crystal clear haha.
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Sony has a great line up but I need Halo in my life...
I respect that, I had a time where Halo was a big part of my gaming life.
The key word is "was"
NO HALO FOR PC sorry maybe next gen? ...nah
Halo was cool back in the day but it is now combat devolved
Halo is still the best multiplayer game to date. Still constant updates for new content. Halo still runs MLG still one of competitive console games to date....but I don't expect haters to understand...still wish my ps4 had a multiplayer game like halo....but starting to believe that'll never happen. But the Exclusives on the ps4 are still a millions buck to me Xbox needs to step up in that department.
Sony FTW. Their studios are simply better than Microsoft's, and there isn't anything really wrong with that It's just how it is.
One thing ia clear though, Turn 10 > Polyphony.
Just keep up the good work Sony. Gosh next year is gonna be crazy on the Ps4.
Which is crazy because this year has been crazy as well. Next year is going to crazy crazy.
It’s no contest
Sony's in a different league, it's not even close.
Lets do a bit of tinkering here Quality vs. Sony Industry & Gaming Journalists vs. Sony Honesty and Integrity vs. Sony Microsoft's critically acclaimed studios known and respected all over the world vs. Sony I think the choice is obvious. For the best gaming in the the universe,there is no choice more important than X.
That was the longest comment full of delusions I've ever seen on this website congrats
LOL. I love my Xbox, but that was HILARIOUS! Good one
Why pay homage to Sony's Killzone by having one of the Helghast soldiers as your avi seeing by your comments it's evident you're not a fan of Sony's PS or it's exclusives.Again with the same joke.
He’s trolling lol
Its not a Helghast trooper. My avi is from a NCR Ranger from Fallout : New Vegas. Its a great game,you should try one some day.
Quality- using the same game engines for 6 + years on the very tiny amount of AAA ips is not quality. Industry & gaming journalism is vastly owned or partnered with Microsoft. That equals nothing than manipulation and dirty tactics. Something Microsoft has been in court for several times. Honesty and integrity does not exist in any marketing advertising company as big as Microsoft. Too funny. Critically acclaimed? I’m sorry, what has been critically acclaimed from Microsoft studios? Maybe halo 3, but they are not known for anything to garner said statement. The x is only a machine putting make up on Xbox One games. As long as that weak piece of hardware exist, the x is doing nothing but making those games playable.
My launch PS4 is alive and well. Good on quality. Industry and gaming journalists are pretty confident in Sony doing a phenomenal job with PS4. We're good here too. Honesty and integrity? Well they did own the hacking of their network and made great strides to remedy the situation. They even made an apology at E3 where the world was watching. They also clearly define what's exclusive and what isn't. Best part: they didn't promise a cloud that was supposed to give you 10x your console's power. I think they're doing okay in terms of honesty and integrity. Microsoft has a few studios compared to Sony, some of which closed and only made the gap bigger. Naughty Dog alone has colossal value against Microsoft's studios. Also, if we're talking about internationally acclaimed studios, there's no conceivable comparison: Sony takes it. PC is probably the best place to play since it provides the greatest range and support, but you'd miss a hell of a lot more sticking to Xbox and PC than PS4 and PC.
Quality vs Sony? Are u actually arguing that a software company in Microsoft produces better quality hardware than arguably the finest consumer electronics company in the market? RRoD..Power brick..VCR... Industry/Journalists vs Sony This i never understood. How u guys think the North American media favors Sony over Microsoft. Sony is a Japanese electronics manufacturer who does its best business in Europe. Microsoft is an American software giant who basically owns North America. Virtually every PC runs Windows, Microsoft's influence cuts extremely deep particularly with the North American digital media, this is their wheelhouse. It just makes no sense why Microsoft wouldn't have the lion's share of influence in this department. Integrity? Like 2013 when Microsoft tried to implement a bevy of anti-consumer policies only to do a complete 180 and backtrack on everything due to public outrage. Or paying YouTubers to promote xbone while hiding the fact they were being paid by forcing non disclosure agreements. Or blatantly untruths and propaganda in regards to dx12, cloud tech, and secret sauce. Disparaging PS4 Pro and checkerboard rendering only to use it in your very own description of "4K Ultra HD" for your True 4K console. I could go on. Integrity is probably the one thing Microsoft lacks the most.
This sounds like an application to join MS, and a successful one at that. The worrying thing from your perspective is they get paid for their "fabrication of the truth. What's your excuse?
I would like to know what the hell you smoking dude 😂😂 I know you had to be laughing to yourself while writing this lol.
Colbertinator, Are you for real? If you think that you are delusional.🙄
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LOL. I know you're joking but this one had me laugh. "Microsoft's critically acclaimed studios known and respected all over the world vs. Sony" So, MS two critically acclaimed and respected all over the world = 2-3 studios. vs Sony which equals how many...plus the publishing branches which don't have defined studios?
All over the world??? Japan is part of the world and nobody cares about any Microsoft games there and theres 2 choices that are better than the Xbox One X PS4/PRO and Switch the sales are phenomenal for both. Xbox One X is said to be in demand funny how I see it in stores all the time.
It's a shame, because at one time last gen, MS showed some great potential. These days they don't even seem to have any interest in this area.
Very true Bluefox. Indeed, after the success of the 360 in garnering a good market share, you have to ask what could have been if they had been managed a bit better. But the truth be told, they "managed" their way into their current situation. If that doesn't spell out their problems to the people in charge, I don't know what will.
Agreed, if you told me last gen that Microsoft's next console would get crushed by Playstation and wouldn't have any exclusive games I would have thought that you were crazy.
Really? Most people saw it coming as long as sony didn't release a year later again. 360 really went down the drain from 2010 onwards where as sony became the best they've ever been with amazing exclusives on ps3.
In 2013 Microsoft cut first party support for Xbox 360 and spent $1 billion on securing exclusives for Xbox One, yet four years later their latest console still comes up short in that department. In fact with the way Spencer speaks they’ve only recently just started putting in more effort in producing more first party titles.
And those first party titles are going to be delivered as games as a service... To them, not gamers.
And probably on the NextBox
Sony definitely has more exclusives right now. I think it will slowly even out, Microsoft's Board in November just gave Phil the go ahead for a massive investment in game studios, both building them and acquiring them so they can build their exclusives. This will take some time but expect big announcements upcoming, probably first from acquired studios that have been working on games and years down the road as they build studios to create games.
"Even out"? So you think Sony is going to stop making games and allow Microsoft to catch up?
why would Sony have to stop making games? MS would just need to create more studios as Sony continues with the studios they have. If Sony just stopped then MS wouldn't have to invest anything they could just continue with gears halo Forza.
I won't even out. That would mean that sony had to stop all devlopement on their game for ms to even it out. And ofcourse we have to wait if this "massive investment" really gives birth to a load of quality games.
I think you don't seem to understand what people are saying. Sony has countless studios from Bend, Japan Studios, naughty Dog, sucker punch, Gg On top of that they have amazing relations with their second party studios like Kojima, Ninja theory and insomniac on top of bluepoint and others. All of this on-top of their new acquisitions like Bing who created lost Soul Aside. For MS to "even out" they would not only need to create new studios and acquire new ones but also start pumping out games like mad. And either that means alot more studios working one games at the same.time or less studios developing more than one game. But even then it will only trying to catch up. Sony has been working in its relations with 1st,2nd and 3rd party studios since ps3. Sony would have to stop creating and acquiring new studios for ms to catch up
M$ will make games and sell them as GAAS, meaning you don't own the games and the games will be online only. You're just renting them but you still pay full price. I'll stick with Sony. Thanks.
only one of their games will be GaaS and that is Sea of Thieves, gears halo Forza etc are not.
@gamer, I don't see it that way and I'll tell you why..... If there's anything m$ learns this gen, is that they can hype the hell out of their games and hardware and some people will still buy it. Case in point - crackdown, qb, recore, sunset overdrive and xbx. All the games are shallow just like m$ (because m$ doesn't develop the games and they don't care about the quality) and x is an obsolete piece of garbage. I feel sorry for those who buy it and expect pc level of gfx. They'll regret it, x can't even run "later" games in solid native 4K but my 2yr old mid range pc can run ALL the LATEST games at almost native 4K. Not forgetting all the empty promises like play the games in uncompromised true 4K, the unlimited cloud power, stacked gpu, unlocked core, dx12, bc is the future, 1b investment in game dev (which I believe was actually used in buying reviews), etc. So m$ is not going to "give" you the games, they have bigger plans. They want you to keep paying for the games but not owning anything. Even they let you have the hardcopy, it'll require massive mandatory day 1 patch, full of game-breaking bugs and probably with a lot of mts that will make stbf2's loot boxes look generous. I may sound like I hate m$ (actually I do for always prematurely abandoning their products and shady business practices), you cannot deny the fact that all they do is regurgitating the same 3 games year after year and just telling lies after lies. How many years have passed since we hear about all the promises and have any of they materialized? I'll tell you it's NONE. It's still the same as the day it was launched - no games and just a lot of promises. The sad people who spent their hard earn money and bought x just spend their time doing comparisons after comparisons. Seriously, no one expects x to have gfx worse than ps4pro, all these reviews are paid by m$ to hype up x. But it doesn't fix the real problem of xbox, it has no games. Doing what sony did will take too long and m$ is just not "that" type of company, so, GAAS is the only way for them.
Oh goody, more Spencer 'promises' to live off for the next year 👍
You don't need to listen to what someone says, you need to follow the money. The board and stockholders control the money flow, watch what that gets put towards and you will have your answer.
@Gamer7804 - OK, the money so far has went to high flying executive shareholders to inflate their already substantial investment portfolios. 6 new yachts have been bought, 14 have been upgraded and one guy bought another beach mansion in the Azores. Now how does this help the current X Box gamers?
@gamer I followed that billion they had for game development from back in 2014. It hasn't brought us 1 billion in games...which means either MS was lying, or they spent way too much on marketing. You're saying MS is doing something, and to watch the money flow, but as of yet, there hasn't been a single report that shows that the investors or board has approved such money to go into game investment. There is also no reports that MS has done any hiring for any new 1st party studios, and that would definately get some notice within the industry....yet it doesn't exist. MS did some hiring for an open world game, but that was it. Everything else has been rather mundane positional filling type of listings. If MS was opening new AAA studios, you'd hear reports of major names leaving studios, and going to either MS...or unnamed studios, however every major name in the industry that's left in the last 2 years can pretty much be accounted for in either their own studio, or picked up by some other developer. You're asserting above that MS is doing all this stuff, but in your comment here are just using the wait and see because it will show up in the future with no quantifiable evidence beyond Spencer's say so.....and you'll have to forgive the people here if they don't take Spencer at his word anymore. Personally, I feel it'd be better to keep the pressure on MS and Spencer to actually show progress. Continuing to hope that they will show it in a few years time just buys them time until they can make another promise to buy another 2-3 years. That's all MS has done this gen since the first year. Buy time with lies, misdirection, and empty promises. Hold them accountable and instead of hoping the money trail leads to new games, make them show those new games....and finally deliver them. Otherwise, in three years, we're right back here having this same conversation about how if we can just wait another few years, MS will finally have something to show. For all the grief that Sony got over delaystation at the start of this gen, I'd expect more Xbox fans to be furious with MS and how they can't even support the console well enough, and decide that promoting new more powerful hardware is somehow a good way to get back in the gamer's good graces. Sony has set a high standard for what 1st/2nd party publishing should be, and it looks like Nintendo is going to outpace MS next year by a rather wide margin. Nintendo is actually competiting against Sony more than MS, and they're doing that with games, so at least I can respect Nintendo despite their quick drop of the WiiU.
You know damn well it will NEVER even out. 1) unless M$ changes the way they dev their games they'll nvr be on Sony's lvl. 2) we all know damn well Sony will nvr stop making games, so M$ will nvr be on their lvl.
Even out doesn't mean their exact output will be the same that changes year to year but rather be comparable to what Sony is putting out is what their recent financial report and Phil is saying. of course this is all projection but i dont see why anyone would be against more fierce competition. It's better for me as an Xbox and playstation owner.
Oh I have no problems with competition, but this is M$ we're talking about and they have yet to prove to us gamers that they are ready to actually take gaming seriously. And I dont mean hardware, I'm talking about software the thing that gives these consoles there identifies. Until they proves this to me I'll always look at them as half-a$$ing it in gaming.
https://www.engadget.com/am... They tried that investment before...where were you? So this is the second time they will throw money at producing development studios and games. You are optimistic, I will give you that, but MS has a bad history of lies.
You don't seem to understand what 'even out' means. Sony would have to stop so MS could 'catch up'. Then, it would be 'even' OR MS would have to create double the studios. Meaning, for example, if Sony has 4 studios MS would have to create 8 for it to be even.
O come on, do you really believe that talking head Spencer? When so, dude the guy is lying and loves Xboxfans like you. They believe everything Microsoft is telling to them, and thats so "stupid".
I'm a gaming fan in general. (other than phones). This is just projection. What analysts do based on market trends and financial reports, you can choose to believe differently for now, it's time that will tell.
OK. So, lets assume that Spencer is investing in more 1st party studios....and games...like he said he wanted to a few years ago after he got the ROTTR timed exclusive deal. Remember that? I do. Anyhow, MS hasn't even set up any new studios. There would be signs of that happening. MS may be investing in more exclusive content through contracted studios....ie. 2nd party...which is fine, but then what? What is this massive investment they're going to make? Is it as much or more than the billion dollars they stated they had invested in making new games...which we supposedly would be seeing by now? Remember that? I do. MS keeps saying it's doing all this stuff, and that it'll take time. But how much time is worth waiting for? Why buy into their nonsense for what may come in a few years, when you can just go to the place where they are now, and will continue to be in the future? Unless you like what they have now, or really need the best versions of multi-plats, it makes more sense to just go with another choice in the meantime. When MS actually comes around and shows off what they have, then maybe consider them. In the meantime, why be so supportive of them when they haven't done much to support their current user base? In the end, I don't see MS getting anywhere near the number of 1st party studios as Sony has. I don't see them creating publishing houses like Japan Studio which itself can be producing several games at a time. MS right now has 3 AAA developers. Sony has 8 major AAA studios(3 of which have two teams making two concurrent games), several smaller AA-A studios, and 3 publishing studios all of which contain several development teams which make various levels of quality of games. This doesn't even take into consideration Sony's 2nd party efforts, of which MS seems to be moving away from since the early gen stuff failed to deliver.
* Sure they could mess it up, its possible, but they were under different set of leadership then. * They just got the board's approval early last month. It's going to take some time to figure out where to put those funds, building studios or acquisitions. I don't have the exact number but Bloomberg and Mary J Foley were talking about it. * you don't have to wait, everyone can make their own decisions, but for those with all of the consoles its good to pay attention to what each are planning to do. * I'm supportive of all of the companies, I was critical of Nintendo's online capabilities and lack of achievement system, but they are doing more things right this time around and have a decent console. Sony of course had all of the right messaging and great studios for the middle of this generation. *again you have a more negative outlook on it and thats fine, I'm just hopeful that with the leadership they have now they will have more exclusive games. I was very critical of them though dropping fable legends and scale bound (scalebound looked a little rough but I had fun with fable legends in beta)
Sorry, but my negative outlook is borne from the fact that MS has been saying this stuff for several years now. It's not new. Why not say they needed board approval before when they were promising this stuff before? It's not easy to take MS at their word, because they have failed to actually prove their word is worth anything. I want MS to do better. I pretty much demand it because I purchased an X1 based on their prior promises. But since QB released, I've watched MS take huge steps backwards to have less output than any time in Xbox history. That's how bad it's gotten. The original Xbox struggled a bit at first, but they were obviously trying. Not promises, but actual output. The 360 up until the last few years was hard to ignore. The start of this gen, they came out strong, and had a lot going for them. Now, they have SoT, CD3, likely their regular staples, and DR3, along with a few notable indies. It's laughable that they are being given the benefit of the doubt by anyone who cares to watch. Even if you're into the games they're offering, it's still less than what I consider the bare minimum. What's worse is that now MS seems more than content on banking on 3rd party.