An EA developer has now received numerous death threats following his comments on the progression system in SW Battlefront II.
Okay that's too far I admit, but these criticisms towards the P2w BS and more are justifed.
Yeah, there's a difference between "critical of game systems" and "threatening bodily harm on someone over a goddamned toy".
More interestingly - he didn't even work on the game.
@VER1ON - and yet he commented on the game pointing out that users were wrong in some of their observations and did little but say they were not accurate without giving valid reasons as to why they were not accurate in their claims.
They are going to use this to play the victim and shift attention to this over their shit storm Watch
Exactly, this is text book deflection.
This is the problem. You just over look the fact someone life was threatened! If don't like what they did with the game than don't buy it. These keyboard tough guys get on my nerves. They are just cowards hiding behind a Avatar. I hope they press charges and send them to jail so they can see what tough is. Smh
I work at a God damn shitty retail place and I get that kind of crap once or twice a month from arsey customers...people are arseholes, shouldn't happen but it's life unfortunately, it's not just them who get their life threatened especially on the internet. Yeah it shouldn't have happened but it's a lot different from the guys minding their own business and getting abuse thrown at them for no reason. The awful build up towards MTs and Loot boxes with their stupid responses are going to end up riling some "iffy" minded people off sooner or later. The fact you are twisting the ENTIRE deal into a handful of typical internet trolls being shitty to cover up the real problem here which started it all shows EXACTLY how EA would play this to take attention away from them. Thanks for the demonstration.
What's the big dust up going on with Battlefield II? I guees I'm a little out of the loop on this one. What makes their P2W system so much more egregious than the others we've seen so far? What's in this system that has broken the camel's back?
They implemented loot boxes. While that alone probably would have gotten enough criticism, they also designed the games economy to require the average player not interested in purchasing them to go through a rather extensive grind to be able to get the same loot boxes. That's the major issue with their MT....the implementation of how one can get content. Loot boxes are lame enough(no gaurantee of what you'll get), but trying to incentivize buying them through endless grind is even worse. The more current dust up is that people were criticizing of this design paradigm, and the EA community manager dismissed all the concerns by generalizing the entire community of people complaining as "arm chair developers", which implied that they were too ignorant to really understand what was going on.
Too far, far too far.
In galaxy far far away...
You get one cookie, just one :)
Lies a greedy corporate business names EA :)
You may or may not get that cookie. Depends if there's one in the loot crate.
Hang on a sec. This is the same guy who claimed the information breaking down how long it takes to unlock a hero was inaccurate, but he didn't actually work on Battlefront 2 so how exactly would he know that info was inaccurate if he isn't a dev for the game?
That's what he claims indeed.
Thought the same thing. He's full of it.
Um. I would not call those actual threats. Online Threats should be treated carefully. A lot of loose fingers. I doubt many of those threats, if not all, are genuine. Twitter should just double down on these kinds of tweets. It should not be okay to write them to anybody regardless of intent. There are real death threats out there that the police should be following through with.. These kids need to receive perspective. That aside...The actual devs response on the changes so far is BS. Dont release a game that is not in its finished state. I dont care that they can patch things up and tweak things later. Make it reasonable from the start. Starting with removing buyable crates that offer any kind of advantage.
doesn't matter if they're genuine. there's simply no reason to threaten someone's life over a bloody video game.
Never said there is a reason to threaten someone. And you are entirely wrong. It does matter if it is genuine. If it is genuine his life is actually at risk. The police should keep track of genuine threats. Not childish sissy fits.
no, it doesn't matter whether it's genuine - you should not be threatening someone's life because of a video game. period.
Sad to see that you fail to see the point. Yes death threats are serious... Obviously they shouldn't happen of course... But guess what? They did. Let's live in reality for a second. Whether or not they're in fact genuine is factually important for legal and lawful reasons.
The sad part is that you are getting downvotes. Smh
@eatcrow How do you know what is a real or fact threat?
there's simply no reason to threaten someone's life You could have just stopped there. The "video game" part is irrelevant.
There should be no crates period.
The vast majority of threats aren't credible. However, they should be taken seriously, and at least investigated to some degree. They should always be reported to authorities, as it is actually illegal....even on the internet. It doesn't usually lead to legal action, but sometimes a visit from police can diffuse a situation, or cause an actual deranged person from actually acting on it. In most cases, I'd say, better safe than sorry. I wouldn't condone the use of threats of any kind. Generally, the threat of not selling the game is more than enough, and if enough people won't buy the game because of whatever reason, it will get more attention than random death threats. Just some people aren't all that productive with their time, and think they're being effective, or just being funny by blowing up what is really a small issue into something worth threatening a person over. I actually do believe that Twitter doesn't allow such threats. They will delete one's account. However, it's all too easy to just make another account. I don't think Twitter pursues such threats, however, it has been known they will cooperate with law enforcement in investigations. Otherwise, I do agree that the devs response so far has been rather inadequete. I don't feel they've really addressed the valid concerns as of yet. While some of the changes are a nice start, it ignores the bigger problem that people don't like the current implementations of loot boxes, and the game design paradigms that exist around trying to make people feel it a good way to get what they want. While random loot is nowhere new in gaming, buying random loot with real money is not something I think people should really think is a good idea, and hate that there will be people that support it. I personally prefer to know what I'm getting for my money. Designing a game around making it more desirable to spend money instead of actually playing the game to get what is optional to buy, is just poor game design in terms of art, and makes the product into a pure commercial venture, which I have other issues with since I feel games should be working to be more of an art form, with commercial gain being secondary.
What you say is exactly my point. I know that threats are not good...I think everyone knows that here. I wasnt defending it. But making a distinction. Its the internet...people run their mouths all the time. Almost everyone whose been unpopular in the internet or too popular has received death threats. Its not news really and detracts from the actual issue. It also makes it seem like the whole issue of pay to win isnt that big of an issue when it is. Kinda takes away from the actual problem. Which gets me thinking...I dont use twitter or care to but...these threats..is there actual evidence of them? I would assume theyre open for everyone to see.
I didn't think you were defending. I just expanded on what you said. For the most part, I think we agree on this topic. As far as Twitter, I don't use it either, but unless it was deleted, it should be available for anyone to see. Twitter will delete such posts if reported though, and ban the user.
say what you want about these kinds of practices, but threatening someone's life is never okay, especially if it's just a video game.
People on here treat video games like it's a life or death thing, look at how heated people get over toy boxes they play GAMES on. I'm with Ziggurcat, threatening someones life over progression in a Star Wars games makes you a sad, sad, sad individual and it's not acceptable. It blows my mind when people talk about the medium being taken seriously and then just shrug their shoulders at this kind of behaviour, it doesn't matter if it's genuine it paints ANYONE who plays games in a bad light.
Lol at the disagrees.. Crazy. At some point common sense seems to have become the enemy.
Haha I just thought of the goth kids from South Park. "Common sense is for conformists"
Here's the dirt. ---- Here's the Devil's den ---- Here's loot boxes / microtransactions ---- And here's to those who issue death threats ----
And here's Poppo ------------------------------ -----------------
It’s really sad how people casually send death threats for the relatively slightest of things. A way a game is designed isnt going to affect your lifestyle, yet you feel the need to threaten someone else for making those design choices 😑
Death threats help no one and actually does the reverse and deligitmises valid complaints.
Yep. Everyone knows that the person saying "I'm going to kill you over microtransactions" is as serious about killing the person as the person who says "my backpack weighs a ton" is about their back actually weighing 2000 pounds. Nonetheless, it allows the devs/pubs to deflect from the ways they've screwed up the game, and the "journalists" are only too happy to follow suit.
Yes exactly. I would imagine 99.9% of death threats are fake (should still be taken seriously though) and all this does is give the devs a window of opportunity to twist the situation to their advantage and not listen realistic complaints.
No, that's not how it works. The person talking about their backpack is clearly exaggerating, anyone willing to casually throw out "I'm going to kill/hurt you" over a game clearly has some screws loose. Reasonable, rational people do not operate this way and so any and all threats against a person deserve some kind of notice. But you're right, it's all a conspiracy. You couldn't possibly just not buy the game, that's part of the conspiracy too!
Sadly, there are probably people out there who would actually seriously want to cause people harm over something as trivial as MT. Granted, I think almost every threat of this nature is just people being overly bold because of being able to hide behind a screen, but I feel that it's better to be safe than sorry. But I do agree 100%, that things like this completely allow those being threatened to deflect away from what people are saying. Hell, all of gamergate became a completely different thing because of this kind of thing, and Sarkeesian never had to address her completely irrelevant and meaningless points made in her videos. If anything, the death threats helped propel her to more stardom, and gave her arguments weight, as it's easy to say that only people threatened by the truth get that worked up over it. Journalist will follow whatever makes them money though, and a death threat is always good click bait. I think it's generally better to not give those people any attention, as such things are generally just people being idiots, and idiots love attention.
Only threaten politicians and celebrities not devs
No need to.give them death threats just boycorr the gams.
To hard, would rather be a keyboard warrior. Everyone knows my life depends on playing Battlefront 2, everyone!
That’s pretty overboard. It’s just a game at the end of the day. I understand people are passionate about gaming, but P2W isn’t worth killing people over.
Death threats are never okay and usually stems from retards with emotional unbalance. However, seeing as devs usually release the "death threat received" either after release or in a low priority phase of the game development, I'm guessing this bit of news were intentional, as to garner sympathy for the dev team. May be wrong though, but the timing seems a bit inconspicuous :)
Death threats are never okay but neither is cheating money out of consumers pockets.
Don't play with fire or you will get burned. The death threats are going to far it has gone past the point of being alright. So why is he playing with fire he shouldn't be using twitter and should just lay low until it's cooled down. I don't think he realizes how angry and feed up people are getting over EA's BS he shouldn't be challenging the internet cause you want win. I hope he's going to be alright
Making a lot out of nothing. The Internet is full of such threats each and every day. What makes the Dev so special in his receiving threats over the rest of us that get threatened every day?
I've never received a death threat and I've been on the internet since 1996. It's a little bit different when you've received over 1600 of them. What a childish, boorish thing to say. It's not acceptable for anyone to receive threats, it's all the more ridiculous when you receive them for a VIDEO GAME.
He received 7 death threats and 1600 personal attacks. Personal attacks are when a person calls you names or simply attacks you in a negative way versus talking real issues. If you have not had a death threat since 1996 then you either don't spend much time on reddit, twitter or other social media or you really bore the hell out of others when you do talk.
Uhh no, I don't spend a lot of time on Social media, reddit or Twitter. There's this place called away from the computer, you know...friends, relationships, stuff that's not in front of a screen? Maybe you should try it?
Obviously, then your point of "I've been on the internet since 1996" is ignorant of the situation where social media is rampant with such causation. And the idea that you can't have "...friends, relationships, stuff like that..." because you use any type of social media enough to be aware of how people interact with it. Well, that is just you being naive. And the funny thing about all of this is the guy was not a Dev and lied completely about everything that happened. And you and many others got played by him and took pity and came to the defense of a guy that played on the pity of strangers when they even imagine something happened.
You sound like you're 16, probably a know it all. Or you're 20 something...and still a know it all. Look at what you wrote "Is rampant with such causation", do you see how awkward what you wrote is? I bet you describe yourself as a thinker, above all the sheep, perhaps even woke? I never got played by anyone, I haven't purchased the game. I've only ever said death threats in any shape or form is not acceptable and it does nothing but make ME and others who enjoy games as a past time and hobby look bad. I don't give a F*** about MT's, Battlefront 2 or this guy. BUT DO NOT THREATEN PEOPLE WITH BODILY HARM, has this sunk into your edge lord skull yet? It's a video game, get over it and get over yourself. I await your edge lord response.Tell me how nettlesome I am.
You are missing the main point of the entire situation. The so-called Dev that got death threats was a liar. He was not a Dev and has not proven to be factual in his reports of being threatened. And everyone is pointing at HIS situation as a flag bearing moment to rally behind. And yet it is a complete farce. If you don't like the way I type then feel free to attack me personally in any way you want. Pretty sure I am not going to cry about it. Though it is funny that you level personal attacks in reply to defending against threats and personal attacks which is the basis behind this thread.
When violence your anger turns to, a chill pill you must take.
Tell EA to give up the NFL LICENSE!!!!! Madden SUCKS
This is a distraction from the issue. Don't let it be used to try and claim that gamers against MT's are crazy, because that's what this is about,trying to undermine our strong position.This claim may be true, it may be nothing more than a tactic, but either way, it DOES NOT diminish our concerns. EA have made changes to the game, and for some this is enough to convince them EA are listening. That's at best naive, at worst, just dumb. The point is to get MT's removed all together, not some sideways shift to con gamers. Stay strong, it's working. Don't buy the game. If Sean, really is receiving death threats, they are not from genuine gamers. Gamers, game. They don't make death threats.
Of course they don't, I mean looking through the past few years we've shown to be super reasonable...oh wait.
I take your point. As a cross section of society, gamers have a proportion of people who maybe aren't that reasonable. But I don't think we, as a group, are any worse than other groups. Obviously, nobody approves of death threats, personally, I wouldn't tolerate strong personal abuse, just for making a point. And I know celebrities have in the past suffered terrible abuse on social media, but has it actually turned out to be any worse than the paparazzi. It's important we continue to call out greedy business practices when we can.
EA didn't need this to distract. There are countless times over the past decade where EA has come under heavy fire due to their business decisions, and more often than not, they are dismissive, or try to explain it away in some sort of "games wouldn't get made without these things", or "we're doomed if this continues to exist" type of comment. After that, they just let it blow over like it always does, because lets be realistic here. Next week, outside some random grumbling, no one will be talking about this as the next big thing comes along to complain about. We live in a very knee-jerk reactionary community, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. People may very well continue to believe in a cause, but they rarely ever fight for positive change for the consumer for any significant period of time. I also feel that the gaming community as a whole isn't all that great at starting movements which actually inform the general community, or consumer, about practices that aren't beneficial to them, thus it always stays within the community. It is easier to this nowadays with today's social media than ever, yet it rarely ever happens. MS DRM policies at the start of the gen were the only times I saw that being effective, and that was likely due to the media being on board and helping out. With things like this though, the media seems more complacent with not discussing it, all while taking the ad revenue that comes from writing articles which get the community riled up. The media itself thrives off controversy and seems less interested in discourse that leads to positive change for the consumer, and even less interested in discussing things that lead to positive change for the industry.
People tend to forget that some humans are broken and will literally kill you for the smallest reason imaginable. It happens every day. Online death threats should be taken seriously.
Life is full of risks, some real, some imagined. I take your point, but how many death threats are made via the internet each day? Against how many are realized. Statistically, I would say it's a small risk, and not something that should stop Sean, or anyone else from making their views known. Who on this forum hasn't at some point, received threats in some form or another. You are probably more likely to get hit by a bus than have a internet death threat carried out.
Harassment that can turn out ugly is a reality on the internet. Specially those are not some nobody pseudo but well known developers. You can bet among the thousands of the angry mob there r some nutcases.
Wth is wrong with these people! I'll be the 1st one to call out EA for their disgusting gaming practices, but to send a death threat to someone...How messed up do you have to be? I don't care if EA flat out announces they're the greediest company out there & that they don't care about gamers or any type of consumer or if they plainly announce that they're in it for the money & if you don't like it you can gtfo, you don't send out death threats. You don't! Enough with these childish incredibly stupid & retarded reactions every time someone does something you don't approve of. Handle it like grown ups. You want to threaten them? Do it with sales, don't buy their game.
Idle I'm sure but still this is ridiculous. Seems to be a lot of bullying going around lately people need to learn to grow up.
lol. People, or should I say, children, are ridiculous.
How often does this happen? Why are people like this? What could ever justify you threatening another person by his life... Moronic