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Xbox One X's raw power has finally closed the gap with PC gaming

Now that they hype train is finally pulling into the station, we can all sit down and enjoy just how powerful Xbox One X really is. Make no mistake, its arrival marks a watershed moment for consoles. By unlocking 4K and including high-end hardware under its hood, the imposing chasm that stood between consoles and the PC gaming market has finally shrunk.

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Septic400d ago

Obviously it's not as potent as some of the crazy gaming rigs out there but what it's doing, for that pricepoint, is very very impressive.

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CP_Company400d ago

it does not matter how you spin it, 30fps is not impressive.

Lennoxb63400d ago

If all games were 60 fps on console next gen then the graphics jump wouldn't be big enough. And graphics sell games not frame rate. It's not worth it. Especially for single player games that aren't focused on skill and twitch fast inputs.

kevnb400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

Call of duty proves that frame rate is actually more important than graphics.

aconnellan400d ago

I'll tell Driveclub's 30fps that you said that.

On topic, 30fps has its place - largely when devs are prioritising other elements in the game that they want to improve (not just straight resolution, but things like particle effects, players on screen, etc)

Of course I'd take 60fps 9 times out of 10, but when it's 30 it just mean something there's other stuff happening in the game that devs thought was more important

bluefox755400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

@Lennox From a marketing standpoint, you are right. From a gamer's standpoint, it's a terrible idea. Every gaming experience benefits from 60fps, the game literally plays smoother. A resolution boost does not make the game play better. Graphics are pretty, but unless you're just looking at the game and not playing it, it's not a good tradeoff.

zb1ftw777400d ago

Exactly.

$2500 for a barely 4k 30fps PC gaming rig is indeed a waste of money.

You should get an XB1X for a fifth of the price instead.

LastCenturyRob400d ago

Well, its a good thing many games are 60 fps....also, if a game is running at native 4k with graphics and effects turned up to ultra and running at 30 fps locked that is actually pretty impressive...Even from a higher end pc point of view.

Sirk7x400d ago

Until console developers have more resources than they know what to do with, they're almost always going to choose to max out graphics and run 30FPS, because shiny graphics are a higher selling point than smooth gameplay.

PrematuaProcrastin8a399d ago

Wtf are you talking about? If it's not impressive to be able to run games in 4k at the same frame rate as the x1s, why don't all consoles do it? Or why don't ALL gaming rigs do it? Oh yeah, it's because a tiny fraction of steam survey p.cs can even run games in 4k at all, and it takes large amounts of power to run in 4k/30. Ms said from the start that they would build a console that could run games in 4k without sacrificing existing frame rates, they have delivered. People said it wouldn't be able to do 4k at ANY frame rate, it does. People said if it could do 4k it would be 700+dollars, it doesn't. Now you're claiming that 4k/30 isn't impressive, IT IS. Your comments reek of jealousy. Go buy some taco bell, maybe you'll win yourself an X.

Unspoken399d ago

Uh yeah, the 1080 Ti hits 30-40 fps in Origins and Shadow of War.

Father__Merrin399d ago

nothing wrong withg 30fps, you make it out as if this is somehow unplayable or sluggish it plays perfectly fine depending on game type, 30fps done correctly plays very smooth on a tv setup. on a pc minitor it looks more jagi for some reson but on tv its fine

The_KELRaTH399d ago

The gaming industry should just kill off 30fps as it doesn't sync with any current screen technology.

I recently installed GT Sport and it turns out that the menus don't run at 60fps. Now you would think this rather unimportant as after all it's just the menus.
Unfortunately PD chose to use side scrolling (ticker tape) text at the bottom of the screen and because it's not in sync with the TV (or my PC monitor) all you see is a unreadable rubber band effect.

It reminds me that for all the CPU & GPU power, in some areas of technology we've gone completely backwards as this type of side scrolling was completely smooth as far back as on Atari / Commodore 8 bit home computer hardware as the hardware speed was locked to the raster TV display so devs couldn't choose to slow things down.

AAWELLS09399d ago

Right and every PC out there cant run every game at 60FPS "only the top end" and not everyone that owns a PC owns the top end of tech. No matter how many claim they have the best of the best. PC owners can just say they have whatever and cant really prove it.

That_Guy244399d ago

@zb1ftw777
Problem is my 2500$ pc will do much more than just gaming. I can do gaming,streaming,editing, us it as a media hub, and us it for work and alot of that at the same time. So yea will keep my pc when there is an xbox than can do everything my pc can do at the same lvl cheaper I will buy one till then I have zero interest in one no mater how cheap it is.

As far as the 30fps stuff I will never play another game in 30fps. Its just terrible and unplayable for me even 60fps is not that great once you play at 120+fps for so long. So if i had to choose [email protected] or [email protected]/60hz I would pick the [email protected] every time.

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lelo2play400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

The CPU my friend... the CPU is holding back the Xbox One X.

Xbox One X is still a good console... but it could have been better. 30FPS on the most demanding games isn't great.

Bigpappy400d ago

An you would be here writing the $699.99 price is too much. I mean they could have gone with an i7 and a 1080ti. But how many people would buy it.
You guys kill me when you sit there and act like you know something that the engineers at M$ don't. Pompous!

lelo2play400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

@Bigpappy
The only thing that Microsoft engineers worried about were teraflops... nothing more. As long as the XB1X had more teraflops then the PS4 Pro, Microsoft was happy.

Instead of 6TF, why not a 5TF console but with a better AMD CPU and keep the 500€ price tag?... Ryzen CPU perhaps? ... Ryzen are good AMD CPU's, not very expensive. Ever heard of them?

bluefox755400d ago

@Big They could have gone a step down with the GPU, and a step up with the CPU and kept the price. Don't pretend like you need an i7 and a 1080ti to run 60fps, those run circles around x1x.

LastCenturyRob400d ago

I have to disagree with you. Had they brought in a new CPU it would have increased the price of the console. Even with all you get with the X anything over a $500 price point would have been suicide on the retail front. That being said, yeah the enhanced CPU they are using is no prize pig but it isn't awful either. The GPU is pretty darn good and the amount of ram is unprecedented for a console. Overall, MS delivered the goods big-time this time around!

shaggy2303399d ago

@Bigpappy
"The only thing that Microsoft engineers worried about were teraflops... nothing more. As long as the XB1X had more teraflops then the PS4 Pro, Microsoft was happy.

Instead of 6TF, why not a 5TF console but with a better AMD CPU and keep the 500€ price tag?... Ryzen CPU perhaps? ... Ryzen are good AMD CPU's, not very expensive. Ever heard of them?"

Don't know if you know this, but Microsoft actually questioned games developers what sort of power was required to run games at 4K. They also tested current games to see what power was require to run them at 4K.

Also, in a PC its easy to swap out part and games still run, consoles, not so much. You cant just throw in a different family CPU and expect it to work. Games on the Xbox One are specifically coded to use the CPU, getting a more modern CPU would be great, but this next gen CPU may have features that the previous gen didn't. Which means every game would have to be updated to use those features.

Heck it could be even worse and literally no game will even work because the CPU has changed so much.

Microsoft went with the best way to get a more powerful Xbox out there, upgrade the GPU and overclock the CPU

Kyizen399d ago

Yeah if they some how got the Ryzen in there it would be a beast but they missed that and it is launching out of date

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arbi399d ago

it's very sad to see you getting downovoted buy saying the obvious..... its says a lot about the community here and the fanboysm that exist.

FyBy399d ago

Yeah for the pricepoint its very good. I cant imagine build pc with 4K capable for that price and size. And thats it. Everything has its pricepoint. MS could do for 600USD XOX with much bettter CPU (Zen family). Also there were speculations Sony considered ZEN for Pro which would be 100 USD higher. But everything is about price. As we could see in case of PS3, which was for 599 USD and that was big problem for many.

But XOX should be high end premium device. I think , that if there was a way to incorporate better CPU for 100 USD higher....that would be much better. But also next 100% gen.

ABizzel1399d ago

The real issue is the CPU really. Everything else is fine. They could have waited and gained another 2 GFLOPS of GPU power by launching a new console in 2018 instead of a mid-gen upgrade, but the CPU is the only thing keeping it from a constant 60fps and truly rivaling PC.

Septic399d ago

I guess it would have raised the price of the console a bit too much. Some people already think the price is rather steep; any higher and it would really become even more niche of a product

ABizzel1399d ago

For the XBO-X for sure, for a 2018 console possibly not. The hardware pricing is based on what AMD has to offer currently so we know on the GPU side it's based off the RX 480 / RX 580 line, so waiting a year could have gave them a RX 680 for a similar price GPU wise which should have some hints of Vega architecture in it, and there they could have popped another $30 - $40 towards the CPU.

They would have took a loss early on, but they would have got ahead of next-gen and it would have hopefully gave them the restart they needed just like the Switch.

ScreamingMeat399d ago

Made ground? Yes. And as Septic says, amazing for the price point. Closed the gap? No. Sorry. When it's running Ultra-equivalent settings in 4K native at 60fps... THEN it's closed the gap. 30fps, medium-high with resolution scaling means there is still a big gap.

Cartman55125399d ago

Gamers in general (not just Xbox fanboys) should be celebrating. This will raise the bar for what consumers can expect of consoles.

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iNcRiMiNaTi399d ago

I did an Assassin's Creed Origins test at 4k with an i7 8700k, gtx 1080Ti + 32gb ram on ultra high settings and the lowest I've seen the game dip is around 40fps. If the 1x manages to keep a consistent 4k 30fps then I'd say it's not that bad seeing how it's cheaper than my gpu

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

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AspiringProGenji400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

It may be closed to a mid range PC in power but it still doesn’t offer the full benefits that a PC do. Even steam machines offered more benefits yet they failed... I believe to close the gap to PC you need more than power. This will sure please a lot of people that want more power or have been anxious to have the better version of games, but a PC is still the better investment plus MS is putting their exclusives there too. This is only the beggining for MS to make more iterative consoles to keep the power crown, so I wonder how much people will be able to spend to keep up when they can build a PC now and be 3 generations ahead and still beat the next Xbox X

skydragoonityx400d ago

All that power.. yet so few games

freshslicepizza400d ago

http://www.opencritic.com/b...

The Xbox One receieved over 20 titles in October alone, how many can you play in a month?

BeRealisticNow400d ago

@Moldy Come on dude, you know Multiplats don’t count as games s/

Platinum_Fan400d ago

@moldybread

That sounds great till you realize PS4 has over 30.

Unspoken400d ago

Games must not count as games.

SojournUK400d ago

I lol'd and I've got one pre-ordered.

DivineAssault 400d ago

Skydragoon youre right but theres no denying its a nice console.. Especially for $500... Unlike the 1st iteration that came with kinect.. I dont want the thing until i see unique software but i definitely have to give them props on the box itself.. Too risky to buy if some devs put minimal effort to bring out the strengths imo.. Maybe when Red Dead 2 comes out and theres a sale ill consider it for 3rd party..

LastCenturyRob400d ago

You should learn to count before you comment. Ignorance is not bliss.

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maybelovehate400d ago

It is actually close to high end machines. Witcher 3 at 4k and steady 30fps is not something a mid range PC can pull off. Hell my Titan X has issues pulling it off at medium settings.

Toby_1981400d ago

Don't worry by early next year Nvidia and AMD new Gpus are specifically designed for 4K and 60fps. It's funny how PC technology evolves so quickly.

morganfell400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

"It is actually close to high end machines."

No. Not close. Not in the ball park. Not in the parking lot attached to the ball park. Maybe some people should conduct a little research and see what a high end machine can actually do. Titan X? You should know better.

https://www.youtube.com/wat... - 2015 video.

https://www.youtube.com/wat... - 60fps with a GTX 1080ti.

kevnb400d ago

With the hair garbage turned off it can.

SojournUK400d ago

Titan X and those issues? Sounds like you have a bottleneck somewhere

bluefox755400d ago

30fps and "high end" don't belong in the same sentence, and you're wrong about 30fps and mid-range PCs. You're being dishonest about Titan X: https://www.youtube.com/wat... 4k/60 @ ultra

TedCruzsTaint400d ago

I am running a GTX680, i5 that was built a year before the original PS4 came out, and the thing runs Witcher 3 at 1440p at an average of around 40 fps with everything at max. The hairworks nonsense turned off. I keep it capped at 30 because of the fluctuation.
The Witcher 3, On an X released 5 years after, runs things at medium at 30fps.

If so, fix your computer.

Many-hat5399d ago

Having been a PC gamer for many years, as well as a console gamer, I would like to commend your honesty. The reality is, PC's are miles ahead at the leading edge, but average gaming PC's are not all that many PC gamers claim. Even with the very best high end rigs, problems often occur running games. It has nothing to do with pure power, it's simply the problem of getting drivers,OS and games working effectively on unknown spec's right from a weak PC to a bleading edge. This is a problem of efficiency that consoles don't suffer from, at least at the hardware level. When they work well, a good PC run's rings around the X, but it's not simply a question of owning the hardware. I would challenge any honest PC gamer to deny this is true.

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Sokol400d ago

I'm pretty sure it' offers more then mid tier pc In terms of power and performance..
I would know since I have one.

343_Guilty_Spark400d ago

It’s not mid range at all. Everyone who has tried to build a more powerful high end PC under $500 has failed.

SCW1982400d ago

That’s because you can’t build high end at that price, thus it being a mid range equivalent.

kevnb400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

Who said you had to? Who isn’t spending $500+ on a pc every few years anyway? The cost of a gaming pc is the effort and the gpu/power supply. $500 gets you quite a bit of gpu.

Tapani400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

I do own a PS4 Pro and Switch, and have been thinking of buying the X, but just because 8700K and Volta are coming, I won't. Even if the Nvidia's 138% more power is half right, the next GPUs from Nvidia will be astounding.

Instead of the X, I'll assemble a PC in the Spring from Nvidia's next flagship GPU (non-Titan), an overclocked 8700K, 3200mhz DDR4, NVME drive, better more silent cooling and casing and high-quality motherboard. Sure it will cost me a lot, but gaming is my biggest hobby and I am an adult with a job, so I can afford to invest a few thousand in it for the next five years. Nowadays kids hobbies cost five times more a year anyway. Good craft beer, annual gym pass, high fidelity A/V and gaming gets most of my extra money (the money after investing and saving for travel and on a bank account.)

So yeah, I don't think the gap has particularly closed compared to the set up above. In fact, I think the very opposite. I believe with PS4 and Xbox One the gap widened and they just played catch up with these mid-cycle consoles. And they just about caught up the mid-range, not the high-end. This is even statistically true, if you look at the past console generation cycles.

And don't tell me people can't afford $2500 gaming rigs. The same people are buying the iPhone X. I'm probably the very average 30-50 years-old consumer out there in the Western world who grew up with gaming and has some extra cash and wants the latest of the latest every few years and strategically buys stuff when there is a generational leap.

I would have to disagree with the article and honestly can't wait to see what my new PC with Volta can do instead of the X! Also, Switch and PS4 (Pro) has great exclusives, which X doesn't (but PC does!)

kevnb400d ago

Even a 1070 trounces the x, I can see them going for 300 or less next year.

conanlifts400d ago

The problem you have is that on paper the X is effectively running an amd 580, which is an overclocked 480. So this makes it seem like a mid gen pc. In reality however due to it being a closed box and the nature of consoles it will outperform its pc counterparts. Look at the gpu in xbox one and ps4 and then compare it to their pc counterparts. They massively outperform their pc equivalents. This will remain the same. I guess the argument also comes down to what is mid range and what is high end. Realistically it should not be able to outperform a 1070, but in reality in some games it will. Is a 1070 mid range or high end ? ( I would argue it is the the starting level for high end ) . On occasion it might even perform equal to a 1080, but this is likely to lack of optimisation on pc.
The pc that you build from the sound of it will feature unreleased tech, so should easily outperform the X. My PC is running a 970, which will see an upgrade when the 1180 or 2080 ( whatever it is called) is released. Until then the X is a cheap alternative.

Condemnedman400d ago

not for the same money you can't build a pc at the same level for 500 bucks without compromises yes you can spend more bit that's not what the X is aimed at

iofhua399d ago

19 xbox artards disagree with reality.

madforaday399d ago

The answer is simple, if Xbox One X had some exclusives game to literally show off the power of the X, people will be talking about this so much more. Even the first comment on here is Septic and his last point is about the new Xbox generation already.

Imagine if Scalebound and Crackdown 3 came out when X came out, and those games were made specifically for the Xbox X. It would be HUGE news but yet we just have old games that look better. We are buying into the unknown and that is what MS wants. With all that said, it is a great machine with power but power doesn't win, the console with the games usually win. It is a simple concept that MS for 3 generation has failed on.

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XiNatsuDragnel400d ago

Not close to high end pc but mid PC yes but that power is great but bigger issue is upon us like 1st party

NoPeace_Walker400d ago

No worries. State of Decay 2, Crackdown 3, Seas of Thieves, Ori 2, Firza Horizon 4, Halo 6 are all scheduled to be released in 2018. Plenty of first party to satisfy XB1X owners.

Razzer400d ago

“Forza Horizon 4, Halo 6”

No, there is nothing “scheduled” for those games. I hope your assumption is correct. I’m looking forward to more Forza Horizon.

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conanlifts400d ago

@Razzer, Forza Horizon 4 is scheduled for September. Forza is never disclosed until mid way through the year, but MS have been open in saying they are annual franchises.

Halo is also supposed to be an annual Franchise, If Halo 6 is not released next year I would say they will release Spartan assault 2 or some other Halo game.

A quote regarding Forza

"Microsoft had an interview with an online publication recently and Chris Tector, Turn 10 Studios software architect, revealed that Forza ‘is now an annual franchise’"

Razzer400d ago

@sd11

Hope you are right, but isn’t Playground working on new IP?

conanlifts400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

@razzer. Yes i think they are working on a new ip as well. But horizon 4 should still be 2018. From memory Forza 7 was only unveiled in June this year.

http://www.egmnow.com/artic...

Regarding the new ip apparently they opened a new studio to make this. I didnt realise they had expanded.

https://www.google.com.au/a...

The bigger question is whether this is an ms game or multiplatform title.

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maybelovehate400d ago

No, it is actually close to High End PC. Try playing Witcher 3 on a mid range machine on 4k. And good luck to you on anything higher than Low Settings.

LP-Eleven400d ago

It really isn't, because a High End PC can still hit resolutions and frame-rates the Xbox One X won't ever be able to. And never mind the Enthusiast bracket of PC gaming.

maybelovehate400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

@LP-Eleven: Depends on what you classify as a high end PC. Sure dual GPU setups that cost 1600 plus will out perform.. But duh?

LP-Eleven400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

Well, the "duh" is what many people are trying to convey to those of you who choose to remain in the dark regarding a hyperbolic statement like: "Xbox One X has closed the gap with PC". If we're talking Low/Mid-Ranged PCs, then yes, the "duh" is appropriate, but that's what we're trying to tell you. Consoles have always been fairly close to those types of machines, so it's a moot point.

It has NOT closed the gap with a High End PC machine (which, again, isn't even the highest grade of PC RIG). And you don't need dual GPUs for that.

maybelovehate400d ago (Edited 400d ago )

@LP_elevel: The issue is that high end graphics cards like the 1080 are actually giving similar results as we are seeing with the One X. So the message you are conveying is false. Xbox One X definitely closes the gap to high end PC's at this time. Does it close the gap with the Highest End PC's no. But that was not the statement made.

ocelot07400d ago

Try playing the Witcher 3 on Xbox One X at 1080p 60FPS.