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Guy Loses Huge Opportunity To Work At 343 Industries Making Halo Maps Because He Talked Trash Online

When the internet comes back to haunt you.

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Miss_Weeboo2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

That's not trash talk. It wasn't a hate message, or racist or whatever. He stated his opinion on 343, many of us - true fans of Halo - agree with him... I'd say: most people at 343 do not deserve the possibility of working on Halo.
I bet, he didn't mean for people to actually get fired.

But, you know, sometimes in life and over the internet (I don't know if anyone even know his real name) you say things you'd be wise enough to silence if your job depends on it, because it's food on the table (I bet there are a lot of people at 343 really disappointed on how Halo 5, and others were made)
But yeah, seems to me that these days we live in a world when is not allowed to say (or show by your actions) what you think...
He quit his old job, make a payment for a new apartment, start moving his sht... and then, because some loser troll post old comments the offer was withdrawn?: that's BS. I know most of you won't agree with me, but that's such a BS.

By the way Microsoft sucks, Windows 10 sucks, and no one in charge of Windows 10 deserves their job. Hope they never find this (if they ever hire me)

Eonjay2795d ago

Saying the no one at 343i deserves their jobs is a bit to far... especially if you want to work there yourself. If that doesn't turn people off nothing will.

HaveSumNuts2794d ago

Seems like trash talking would only be allowed in Call of Duty offices

Erik73572794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

I mean I remeber Jeff trash talking blizzard but got hired by them and has done a great job with Overwatch.

Kinda sad they didn't hire him because of this because he could of made halo better.

343_Guilty_Spark2794d ago

Sure they looked at him like “not a team player”

morganfell2794d ago

@Eonjay,

He basically trashed the majority of the people at 343 that really love what they do but the ridiculous story and design issues with 4 and 5 are not in their purview or ability to change. I guess he felt those people should just quit their job. It is the people that made the idiotic design decisions that had to go. Most of the real personnel problems at 343 are resolved - like Holmes who is now gone, as well as Franklin who is also gone thankfully, and Brian Lemon and Brian Reed too...good riddance. They did nothing but harm HALO. And 343 states they have learned their lesson after HALO 5. They need to stop torpedoing the canon and focus a little less on eSports.

bluefox7552794d ago

Just an internet comment. To deny a talented person employment because you were "offended" by a comment they made seems a bit far as well. I wonder if every 343 employee would pass the offense test if all of their anonymous internet posting was made public? No? We're going to pretend like only some people do this?

kneon2794d ago

@bluefox755

It's not about being offended. But do you really think the rest of the staff want to work with a guy who publicly said that they all suck at their jobs? That's not a good environment to be in.

morganfell2794d ago

It occurred to me to question if the job offer was ever legitimate. Most likely it was. Still...I do not understand how a company like 343 hires someone without checking their background. There is a part of me that feels like this may have been a setup. If so...well played 343, well played.

LgbtWarrior2794d ago

Amen! That’s like me hiring an employee who basically said they hate my product. why would I want to hire them?

No Way2794d ago

Lgbt - because said person could have ideas to improve said product..

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Gazondaily2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

So they release a game with great MP and poor SP (imo) and apparently you, as a 'true fan' think 343 don't deserve to work on Halo?

".. I'd say: most people at 343 do not deserve the possibility of working on Halo. "

Lol! Go do better then come back to us.

"But yeah, seems to me that these days we live in a world when is not allowed to say (or show by your actions) what you think... "

For good reasons. Your post is a good example of one.

Miss_Weeboo2795d ago

Yes. I think 343 don't deserve work on Halo. And yes, that's my opinion.

constantine_man2794d ago

"So they release a game with great MP and poor SP"

Nothing about that MP is great unless you don't view it as Halo. Its an abomination of the original Halo gameplay that made the trilogy so popular.

morganfell2794d ago

@constantine_man,

Here here. HALO is one of my best gaming experiences ever. But that twitch shooting MP fest is exactly what you called it. An abomination. It is designed to generate rapid deaths and high kill counts. Which in turn is created to drive REQ usage which = revenue. Playing MP in the MCC and then running in H5 are two vastly different things and that isn't good either. 343 could have gone for HALO but they went for COD instead.

Paytaa2794d ago

Everyone saying Halo 5 is a twitch shooter does not know what a twitch shooter is. Halo 2 plays faster than 5. H5 has the illusion of speed due to sprint, thrust, etc. The maps are made larger to accommodate for the perception of speed. It's why Truth is so much bigger than Midship yet game time to completion is generally around the same when comparing 2 to 5.

Does H5 play different than old Halo? Obviously. But every single Halo has played fundamentally different from one another. The glaring difference is ever since Reach, there's this drive to add a 4th pillar to the gameplay which H5 does best although the original triangle of mechanics was never broken.

I personally still believe after 2 years that H5 is up there with the OG trilogy for MP. Been my favorite multiplayer series since '01 and Halo 5 really impressed me from a gameplay standpoint.

morganfell2794d ago

"Everyone saying Halo 5 is a twitch shooter does not know what a twitch shooter is."

No.

Just no. 2 was faster than 3, but nothing compared to 5. The tactical arena shooter for team effort is not what you find in 5. Not at all. All one has to do is pop in H5, play a few MP matches, then immediately boot up into a MCC playlist and feel the difference. And most people have this opinion. Spend some times at /r/halo or even Waypoint and it is the prevailing thought. Shoot, die, rinse, repeat.

Paytaa2794d ago

@morganfell As someone who has played Halo 1-Reach on a very competitive level, I am very aware of the speed each game offers and how it translates into gameplay in multiplayer.

Halo 5, to me, has the gunplay speed and precision of Halo 2 with the faster kill times but the overall movement and ways to navigate the maps feel more similar to H1 than any other Halo (hell, you can even nade a weapon and launch it across the map for you to grab which is ripped straight from CE as every other Halo didn't do that, hence the "Combat Evolved" medal for doing so).

As for your comparison to the games on the MCC, boot up Halo 1 MP on a map like Chill Out then play Cold Storage (the remake of Chill out) in Halo 3, the games will feel very very different. The main thing that throws people off is the aesthetic change in the newer games which I also have a problem with and the inclusion of that 4th pillar I was talking about.

I love the original trilogy far more than the new games for objective and subjective reasoning, but H5 is the closest since Halo 3 that captures the spirit of Halo multiplayer even though I wished they did a bit more for the casual audience at launch since this game had a laser focus on pro player retention.

Every new Halo game always gets crapped on. Been seeing this play out for the last 14 years since Halo 2 got announced. Ever hear of halo2sucks.org? Was a weekly/monthly site in 2003 that was complaining about every single thing that was different from H1. Now look at it, Halo 2 is revered and for good reason. Same thing happened with Halo 3, Reach, etc.

343 has a lot of things to improve, but a lot of that is campaign-oriented. Multiplayer on the other hand, I'll take anything built on the Halo 5 foundation or a revert to old Halo. Either or is fine with me. It's fun and that's all I care about.

4Sh0w2794d ago

Halo5 campaign was fine for me, I enjoyed other characters stepping out of the shadows and the team based play was a fresh add to the series. The multiplayer is superb.=

Regardless of online or face to face I would not want to work with a guy who doesn't respect my work, that's different from being critical and offering me helpful advice about what you think I can approve on.

morganfell2794d ago

H5 is missing the team tactical approach that was found in CE through Reach, which were such great MP titles in addition to stellar SP. 343 want to drive up the kill times for the specific reason of pro play and selling REQ. Most players do not give two craps about professional gaming yet every time we logged on to HALO 5 we had to see the mugs of professional players about whom we could care less and have their exploits shoved onto the main page. Please stop ramming this down gamer's throats. How about we log in and see the play of the day submitted by an every day HALO player?

The ability to have actual cohesive team play is crippled by the design of H5. And as I said, it isn't just my opinion but rather the prevailing school of thought for a reason. Either most of the people are wrong or most of the people are right. And it is not because most of the people lack the proper ability to correctly perceive what is actually occurring. Players new to HALO coming in at 4 and 5 will not get the marked differences because they did not spend days with multiple Xboxes jammed into their house having 4 day weekend 16 player LAN parties of nothing but HALO. I did, so did my friends and we can see and feel the vast difference just like the hordes of forum goers everywhere.

343 has to sort this out. Aside from MP, they also need to avoid monumental errors like they did with Spartan Ops in HALO 4. Who gives people an unplayable coop game by using ping back? And they have to stop damaging the canon by showing Spartans to be nothing but hormone raging adolescents bragging about their sexual exploits. Sheer idiotic writing and I hope with the dismissal of Brian Reed these sorts of immature characters disappear from the Spartan ranks.

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EmperorDalek2794d ago

Halo 4&5 were great games, deal with it.

bluefox7552794d ago

Not really, they were the 2 lowest scored numbered halo games in the series. Good, not great. "Deal with it".

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akbennyewu2794d ago

I have a sneaking suspicion you are far too young or spoiled to have ever been depended on as a income producing member of society. I truly hope you are placed in predicament where you are considered for a job that people you love are absolutely counting on you to obtain, whether it be to afford life saving medicine, to keep a roof over your head, or food on your table. I also hope your above message is read by the hiring officer, you are passed over on the job offer, and then whatever catastrophic real life event that occurs is made that much more difficult for you. Know when that happens and you are truly down and out, thinking the whole world is against you, I will be somewhere smiling, knowing karma has been served.

Neonridr2794d ago

he could have taken the higher road and not posted anything. People have choices to make in life, and while it sucks that this happened to him, you can only feel so bad for someone that publicly makes their opinion known like that. It's one thing for you and me to do it, people who have zero connection to the industry. But this guy worked making levels. He should know better. Especially if you start slamming the company you hope to work for some day.

Sometimes people just need to stop before hitting the submit button and think to themselves is this worth it?

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2794d ago

Why? If you are a Halo fan then you realize that most of the lead devs are ex Bungie devs?

LordJamar2794d ago

True halo fans? I cringed so hard you "true fans" are the most toxic thing ever in the community and im kinda glad you types dont play halo yeah just stay away your unpleasable any way

trooper_2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

When it comes to working anywhere in this world, you have to be careful in how you conduct yourself.

It's professional.

BeOpenMinded2794d ago

I applied for a job which I ended up having to sign a form for a company to do a background check. It included a third party investigating all of my social media accounts etc... beware all this does exist and some things don't disappear. I see tweets on Google that I tweeted about ten years ago as joke. This can be real, glad I have given up on social media generally.

LgbtWarrior2794d ago

You can have an opinion, but it doesn’t mean the other entity isn’t going to take action on your opinion. You cant just say whatever you want without repercussions. It was well deserved. Nobody wants to hire somebody who is two-faced

yomfweeee2794d ago

It doesn't have to be hate or racism to be trash told. Saying everyone at the company should be fired... Is trash talk.

ziggurcat2794d ago

@weeboo

"That's not trash talk."

saying no one at 343 deserves their job isn't trash talk? that's news to me.

"But yeah, seems to me that these days we live in a world when is not allowed to say (or show by your actions) what you think..."

no, we live in a world where you can do those things. it's just that people seem to think that "free speech" means there are no consequences for what they say or do.

TheHan2793d ago

Seems like someone hasn't had their coffee

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XiNatsuDragnel2795d ago

As usual, associate of Microsoft, and free speech is a no no 😑

lelo2play2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

Would Sony accept employees talking trash about them online?
Would Nintendo accept employees talking trash about them online?
Would any company accept employees talking trash about them online?

Yep, every company in the world wouldn't mind one bit if their employees talk trash about them. /s

amazingmax72795d ago

You know, every company or work place in the world would do the same...

Go tell your boss you hate him and you think this job is shit, what do you think he will do.

bluefox7552794d ago

Yeah, totally the first person to complain about a job.

Tres212793d ago

Yea Blue and totally not the 1st person to get fired 4 talkin about said job and co-workers. Have u ever worked at a job where a co-worker was just negative? Or imagine u have a team and 1 player wanted to get rid of every1 on the team...easier to get rid of 1 bad apple than the whole team. Its always better to have a positive work environment.

Pandamobile2795d ago (Edited 2795d ago )

Where do people keep getting the idea that free speech = no consequences for their actions?

If you're a chronic shit poster on the internet and your post history can be connected to your real life, then companies have every right to not hire you.

Game developers in particular hire based on skill and character. If your online presence is toxic or generally worrisome that's obviously a huge red flag not to invest in that individual.

DarkOcelet2794d ago

" Game developers in particular hire based on skill and character. If your online presence is toxic or generally worrisome that's obviously a huge red flag not to invest in that individual. "

Tell that to Bioware.

UCForce2794d ago

You know every companies would do the same thing.

Cobra9512794d ago

This is not about free speech. This is about stupidity. Trashing the people you're trying to work for is a perfect example of that.

Prince_TFK2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

In the company that I work in, if you dare to talk bad about the company online such as on Facebook, there will be a huge price to pay.

The thing is, if you had ever worked in any company at all, you would have known that it is not about free speech. It is about company maintaining their image in public. When your employees don't even like the company that they work in, what kind of message does that send to the customer?

But yeah...as always on N4G MS is evil here.

CorndogBurglar2794d ago

You clearly don't understand what free speech really means.

Is it his right to say what he wants? Yes. He isn't being arrested or losing any freedoms over this.

Is it the company's right to not want an employee that talked trash about them? Yes. It is their right.

People need to learn what Free Speech really means, because people throw it around without really getting it.

kneon2794d ago

The other thing they miss is that the 1st amendment is about the GOVERNMENT not interfering with your right to free speech. Like for example if hypothetically the president tried to stop your peaceful protest.

Companies are not the government and can fire you, ban you etc for your stupidity.

gangsta_red2794d ago

"People need to learn what Free Speech really means, because people throw it around without really getting it."

Amen

LordJamar2794d ago

Free speech is not freedom of consequence

warriorcase2794d ago

Free speech is fine. It's also fine for an employer not to hire you based on attitude aswell.world keeps spinning

Kiwi662793d ago (Edited 2793d ago )

There's free speech then there's stuff like this, but given your obvious stance on the subject because it's a company tied to MS, you must think that it's OK for people to talk crap about a company that you hope to work for yet for some reason you don't think that any company would react the same way and not employ someone who says stuff like that

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Relientk772794d ago

He worked at Treyarch wow, wonder what maps or games he worked on Black Ops 1-3?

I feel bad for him, clearly he has a passion for Halo and he really didn't say anything that bad. He would probably have done well at 343 Industries. It sounds like his dream job, the poor guy.

343_Guilty_Spark2794d ago

Can’t run your mouth in a corporate environment

CorndogBurglar2794d ago (Edited 2794d ago )

He didn't say anything that bad? Go to your place of work and put a sign on the window, for everyone in public to see, saying that the other employees inside don't deserve their jobs. But make sure you sign your name on it first. Then see how your company handles it.

Its disparaging to your co-workers. It creates a hostile work environment. And its overall shitty.

ecchiless2794d ago

Any one knows if the mass effect andromeda guy got fired for all his comments? that guy sound wosrt.

coolbeans2794d ago

"He worked at Treyarch wow, wonder what maps or games he worked on Black Ops 1-3?"

Now I get the feeling he doesn't have any right to judge.

slavish02794d ago

If u put something online be ready to face the consequences. Many people have many views on things and will judge u if u give them something. If you dont want something to bit u in the ass dont put it out there 😒

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