MICROSOFT'S Xbox One X is out this November. We've had the chance to preview the console and it really is the world’s most powerful 4K console around.
Old, spec wise we already know this from 2016 E3. Its easy to do the math. But i wouldnt talk about high end gaming PC´s on the news, because that just crazy. PC gaming is another world and the jump, tech wise, is huge. A High end gaming PC got 5 or 6 times more CPU power, got 2 or more GPU power and so on. They are expensive, but reach another level. I
PC's are also not streamlined just for gaming. To simply compare specs is not really a viable way to compare the two. Forza 7 is already showing how it compares to high end PC's because that is a game that can easily compare the two since it is designed by the same studio who is pushing each platform. It will take a much more expensive PC to push the same level of performance the XB1X offers, that is the story here.
lol, bluefox and megaman why are you guys tag teaming moldy? moldy response to corroios was in fact very true with nothing off the wall or waaay out there like maybe he does at other times, the fact that he has so many downvotes without *one single common sense response shows how irrevalent that system can be n4g.
I think you are neglecting a key element here. It is called porting. It is very likely that Forza was built around all the strengths of the X1X and then ported to PC. Forza is a traditional X1 game and all the focus would be on making sure it was optimized for the X1X to showcase it. Likely it would take a more powerful PC than what is currently in the X1X simply because of being ported. It is why PC gamers always complain about the bugs and performance issues. They more often than not get ports of console games that take little into consideration of architectural differences and rely on a vastly more performant PC to make up the difference. I don't think what you are describing ever really is an apples to apples to comparison even from one PC configuration to the next. I do agree that consoles traditionally have not required as much overhead and are streamlined, but your argument there became less viable once the X1 started being built off of the windows OS platform. Windows in general is a pretty bloated OS not known for optimization or being streamlined for gaming. While the latest iterations of DX may help with graphics processing it will help less with the X1X than it will with a PC. When stepping away from graphics, the CPU, disk IO, and key components take a hit for utilizing windows. Mostly X1X in general has been becoming more like a PC meaning its less and less streamlined for gaming. Ultimately MS shifted to windows to make the porting easier so that games made for PC or vice versa had a common platform to be developed on. But doing that does come with some meaningful compromises that most people don't understand as noted above. The primary reason the X1 is getting the game support it is getting despite lackluster sales is due to portability of games. The downside is that if PC developers start porting games designed for high-end PCs, its not going to look good for the X1X without the PC devs taking a substantial time to make a higher end game work on an X1(as well as an X1 until some point when MS says that there are X1X exclusives). MS has to sell developers on the idea that it is better to build for the X1X and then just port, and that the sales for that game will be better than simply making a PC game. Despite what some think, it is a pretty good strategy given their position and has a meaningful chance of success. The X1X being powerful is only meaningful if people adopt it. The Core PS4 is still by far the Top selling console with the switch coming in second. This implies that in general people are presently satisfied with what is being offered from a graphic complexity. Maybe a couple years from now that might be a whole different story though. I wonder if this kind of upgrade wasn't premature given current sales observations. I personally predict the X1X will sell several million through the holidays based on the more hardcore fanbase being ready to upgrade. After that, it is ultimately going to fall back to the game library. I won't argue about having good games as that is always debatable. The problem is that MS has to get people to buy the games(which they have struggled to do this whole gen). If all they can seem to market and sell are 2-3 franchise exclusives at above average volumes and a handful of indie gems, that is not really promising for any massive upshift in adoption nor is it going to continue to generate the desired revenues. The biggest question on my mind is really whether the large drop in X1 sales this year is in anticipation of the X1X or if it is a warning sign. It will be interesting to observe what happens over the holidays.
Ya, Fora 7. It totally shows the superiority: https://www.youtube.com/wat... Glad you said it.
Expensive and alot bigger, this thing is tiny, have to respect the engineering
If it is quiet I will definitely respect the engineering. If it is noisy I will miss the rudimentary box with external power brick.
That's true it is tiny for what it has inside of it and respect must be given to the design and research teams at ms.
haha...yeah and about 2 to 3 times more expensive! You get what you pay for. How many people are paying for these high-end PCs though...not many
I made the leap a few years back. While I still have a special place in my heart for console gaming, playing on pc at higher refresh rates and/or resolutions has been amazing. It's also a way for me to satiate my tinkering fix. I think that something a lot of people forget is that most people have a decent computer in their house. The difference between that decent computer and a "gaming" computer may only be 200$ for a gpu. This is why I think in the long run companies like Dell and Hp are going to continue to make more affordable gaming pc and bring the entry level price back down. Also my pc is used for way more than just gaming. Xbox tried and failed to incorporate TV into their system and besides Netflix and other streaming services they haven't found something to add functionality to consoles. Hopefully they do as I did enjoy what they were going with at first. I loved their original plan for Xbox one. They were making steam boxes and nobody wanted that. Oh well.
Yet at the same time Forza 7 in high settings runs at 60fps in 4k on a 1080ti. You should look at how the pc games using 1070, 1080 and 1080ti's perform in comparison to the Xbox X. It really is doing quite well. Quantum break for example on an overclocked 1080ti can't reach as stable 60fps at 1440p. Yet it still runs in 1440p at 30fps on the Xbox X. While lower fps than the PC counterpart the pc version utilises an OC 1080ti.
I was able to run Forza 7 on max settings at native 4K with 8xMSAA enabled and hold a locked 60fps on my 1080Ti. The Xbox One X version is definitely not running the game at these visual settings or AA quality. As to Quantum Break, if you watched the video it's not 30fps on Xbox One X at 1440p and it's not the equivalent of PC max settings anyway. If you choose the 1080p mode on Xbox One X you get 30fps, while the 1080Ti can play Quantum Break at max settings with a locked 60fps in 1080p.
@opengl . Yes i agree, my point was to compare one of the most powerful gpus on the market to the xbox x. I fully expect the 1080ti to outperform it, but if you compare what the x can do next to this card then it is very impressive. Also QB runs 38-42fps. Search for quantum break 1440p benchmarks with 1080ti and you will see. So getting it running in 1440p at all on the x is impressive plus it was an early build that could improve.
sd11, I own a 1080Ti and a 1440p display, I don't need to search benchmarks. The performance comparison is pointless as the Xbox One didn't use anywhere close to the equivalent of max settings and the Xbox One X likely does not either. It's probably still the medium quality setting for lighting, which is what has the biggest impact on performance in Quantum Break. So far all the Xbox One X has done with Quantum Break is increase the resolution by exactly 4x but with worse performance than it had on the regular Xbox One. This is not an impressive outing for the system regardless of how demanding the game is, we were promised 4K or near-4K experiences with the same or better performance.
Of course this yet again deserves a fanboy comment. Same when Pro titles were laughed at when they performed worse then the standard version (despite the x amount of more pixels being rendered) when the XoX and QB does the exact same thing (performing worse than the XO with drops regularly to 28fps) this is still sold as an achievement to us. Double standards yet again - and nobody every questioned that before if there is a reason for the performance drop - why is this now a valid point? Who didn't see that coming.
The expense is not worth the bump in graphics, I know because I have spent quite a bit on my gaming rig.
Worth is a very personal thing. I'm sure some people feel it's worth it, or at least currently expect it to be worth it. More power to them.
If anything you should compare it to mid gen pcs which are more the norm. Not high end which are the exception.
I think you mean 5 or 6 times the price not power. One of the most powerful retail graphics cards is a Titan XP at 12tf while XBOX is 6tf. That only double the power. While the Titan XP is $1,200 just for the card and an XBOX is $500.
Nope. 5-6x the CPU power. Which turns situations where say if an X1X had the same CPU it would be running at 80-100 FPS instead of 35-45 locked down to 30. A GTX 1070 is a class above what's in the X1X. When overclocked, not hard and not extreme, you get about 7+ TFlops, which is effectually about 50 percent more then what X1X has as it performs about as well as about 9 TFLops AMD. All coupled with a processor that can easily be 5-6x what's in the X1X. Or if you bought the i7 920 back in 2008 for $229 and are still running that PC, it would still be like 3x the CPU. In other words, you could have built a PC for $1200 back in 2008-2009, and just bought GPU upgrades every so often. Like a GTX 670, the 1070, and you would consistently of had basically top notch graphics and high framerate for about a decade for about $2,000. Maybe add a ram upgrade for ~$100. Meanwhile for consoles (which I own and love too) people in 2013 could of spent $499, then in 2017 $499. That's 1k and only covers 4 years and you never get consistent 60 FPS, let alone 100-120 which you can get. Hell on stuff like Battlefield, Doom, and even the Destiny 2 PC beta you could hit 150-200 FPS at times. Also no $60 yearly online fee either.
yeah but consoles can do more with less than a PC can since consoles have more direct access to things when it's all built on the same chipset or board. PC's are plug and play which can't be accessed as fast since it's all separate components. So while a PC may require X graphics card to do 4k @ 30fps, a console can sometimes get away with less.
Eh, get some used parts and it will still be expensive, but not by much, and really over power the X. Take a i7 that is at least Sandy Bridge for 90-110, a 50-70 dollar Mobo to match, a used GTX 980 for 220, or a RX 480 after the bs mining phase, a 500 watt psu for 40, 8 gigs of ram for 20-40, a case 30-any, a $50 hard drive and bam, out powers the power of the X for around $50 more. You can also rock many other things to reduce the price, I added up the most expensive things just to do so. Oh, and yeah no windows, but consider using free Windows 10 for a bit then pay for that later as Xbox Live would cost more than Windows 10 in 2 months.
Not enough exclusives or great game's on the Xbox yet imo. Even Nintendo exclusives is more impressive at the moment but that's just imo. I'll wait until Microsoft get more AAA exclusives
Its gonna be a loooooooong wait lol.
Why does moldybread always write these sensationally hypocritical, eyebrow-raising comments that really prove that he doesn't have an ounce of self-awareness inside of him? He condemns your behavior here, which ironically also condemns his own comparable past and current behavior - the stuff that he tries to deflect away from when it's brought up. He only hates people repeating what they're saying when it comes to the one area he is completely unequipped to argue with, yet he's keen to senselessly repeat himself about the things he enjoys trying to drag Sony through the mud about for on articles, even without all (or any of) the facts. This is N4G's public hypocrite #1 we're dealing with. A pretender that doesn't even accept when he's wrong (skulks away) or that he's disingenuous with his agenda. His continued disdain for people bringing up exclusive games in an argument originates from when he completely lied about Sony downsizing their first-party studios, and then had absolutely nothing to say when Microsoft closed about 8 of their studios and projects in March 2016, and could only go ahead and bring it up when it couldn't be ignored anymore after the Scalebound controversy. It became too much for his agenda to support so he started questioning the point of exclusivity despite it completely having a place, and he does nothing to disapprove or condemn when Microsoft chases exclusivity. It's just tied to when Sony fans bring up exclusivity on articles to provide perspective and he doesn't like it. It's hilarious. He had no problem with or even associating with the Xbox fanboys like Rookie_Monster who constantly used the same tired and false arguments and lies in PS4 articles, going as far as support his trolling, and dismissing Sony fans doing exactly what he always does in defense of the Microsoft. I think when people bring up his disconnect with being a self-proclaiming PC gamer and defending Xbox One whilst mostly hating on Sony and PS4 without owning any of the consoles, it's cause it's actually true. He has never brought up the things that Microsoft does that cause restrictions on PC (his platform of choice) but is prematurely and instinctually all over Sony's ass because of theories and things he can't prove about things like cross-play on a consoles he doesn't have the intention of buying. Never forget this guy said that Destiny 2 not being 60fps on Scorpio (paraphrased:) "smells like a moneyhat from Sony", without considering any alternatives as to why it is 30fps on al platforms. His thirst for one-sided representation of scenarios that involve Microsoft and Sony is boundless, yet he claims to hate the console wars and criticizes others for the same behavior he displays.
Shit, someone just got analyzed! The truth is a bitter pill to swallow.
It sure does
So this article pretty much says what I said in a previous comment on another thread to a bunch of disagrees. I don’t think people realize how much more dialed in this system is - even over the pro. I’ve experienced it first hand and know exactly what the writer is talking about. Seeing it 1:1, in 4k hdr on a proper 4k screen running real-time is absolutely impressive and it made me giddy w/ excitement. It’s an experience you absolutely will not get from watching web compressed comparison videos on websites. Haters will hate, but the one x is beautiful and I def can’t wait til my pre-order arrives. PS4 might have more exclusives but the one X is absolutely going to own multiplatform.
You do know it's an article by the daily star? I'm surprised it hasn't got a pair of breasts in the headline.
And? It's one section amid a whole website. It's the same Daily Star that's published good, informative interviews on No Man's Sky, Destiny 2 and a whole heap more AAA games. It's also from a writer who's freelanced for the likes of Games™, NowGamer.com, Xbox Achievements, Play Magazine, XONE magazine and more. If you can't look past the rest of the content on the site that has ZERO to do with the actual preview that's being linked to, then clearly you're an idiot.
4K would mean so much more with exclusives to play in that resolution. Also, am I the only one who has a tough time taking the word of someone who calls themselves Fishy Fingers seriously?
I didn’t write the piece. Purely trying to get my C rank up for better approving. Saw this and figured it’s just the type of ‘news’ N4G likes. Don’t shoot the messenger.
Well, in that case, as a fellow journalist I recommend trying to be yourself. I've sold out more than a few times by writing articles I think people want to read even if they don't reflect my opinion, as either filler or clickbait or both. Lately though, I've tried to abandon that practice as I don't feel those articles when I'm writing them and they don't even end up doing as well as I expect them to. Don't assume your audience are sheep drawn to any empty headline. Some people are, but others know BS when they see it. Besides, it's a much better feeling when you write an article that reflects your genuine opinion and while it won't always be well received, you at least didn't push yourself aside to write it. When it is well received, so much the better.
plenty of 3rd party titles that can take advantage of that extra power though.
I don't have a 4K tv but if I did I would definitely get a PS4 pro.
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Horizon looks absolutely gorgeous on my OLED 4K TV. I have no doubt that Forza would look jaw dropping as well.
Soon... Can't wait!
Only in term of power which should be stated there. 'The Xbox One X touts itself as ‘the world’s most powerful console’. It’s a big mission statement, and one you’d be forgiven for taking with a pinch of salt.' People need an article to confirm that, at least, is true? I don't think anyone ever doubted it.
some people around here don't want to admit it. The PS4 was more powerful and had the better games so it was a no brainer. Now only half of that equation is true moving forward.
I don't think it's the more important bit and the PS4 is still more powerful for the Base models even if it's not true for the high end models. Give me names of the guys who don't want to admit the X is more powerful though :P Before the reveal most.people had never heard of terraflops but with Ms marketing even John Snow knows the X has 6. Its easy to remember too just like eggs box had 6 eggs :)
PS4 will still have the best looking games overall. So they have the games and the beauty.
I think every one accepts it's the most powerful, they just question the meaning of what that power will deliver.
Yes. But we can't forget that was at the same price. Now, it $399 vs $499. And given the bang for the buck, the Pro might still be leading. While the XoX has a theoretical 43% power advantage in highly optimized Pro titles this seems to be rather closer to about 20%. Well, so, the price/performance ratio is rather in that range. But it will be strongly in favor of the Pro if Sony would be able to drop the price to say $349. Performance is not everything. Else one could built a $1000 console which will dominate them all. Not even Apple would try that.
Xbox One X: World’s most powerful 4K console blows the competition out the water No, it doesnt.
So angry! Not only do fan boys (poor people that can't afford more than one system) love to be angry, they LITERALLY RUSH to articles like these to show how UNBELIEVABLY ANGRY they really are. It's like a competition between retards trying to see who is angriest. I love it!
Dude, you really think the guy above you is 'unbelievably angry'? He didn't show one bit of anger. You're crossing your streams bro.
don't cross the streams..
I just hope MS deliver with the games now because for me there is no point in buying this console...
Im not knocking the X it is without doubt the most powerful console when it launches, credit to it for that, but this "rag" of a paper here in the uk, isnt far off what The National Enquirer is to americans it really is a garbage publication over here, again, not knocking the X its a fantastic bit of kit, but look to more reliable sources for info if serious about getting one. Not this trash.
Although I'm a PS supporter. No PC for the price can touch this
As a pc gamer I also agree. This is like the good old days when it takes a year or so for PC to get competitive with a new console cost wise. This is how it should be. It will push developers along and they will be less gimped when developing multi plat titles for lower spec consoles as the quality baseline gets higher and higher and more will be expected from them. I doubt it but it would be nice if it forced price drops in GPUs, but that's wishful thinking Great news all round
But most PC gamers don't buy a PC with every GPU upgrade. For many PC gamers, if they built a decent i7 920 in 2008 or anything i7 from 2008 onwards, all they really have to do is buy a GPU. For less then the price of a X1X, you can get a far better GPU and couple it with a far better CPU (2008 or later) and have a better fidelity/framerate experience.
exactly, something a lot of people fail to grasp. my z87 board and 4670k at 4ghz will be on their 3rd gpu soon/ 750ti>970>1080ti/volta the mainboard, cpu and ram will easily have lasted 7-8 years before I get a new board. I might upgrade the cpu to a 4770k if I need more threads in the future, but no need right now. If I do by the time I sell the old one, the new one will cost way less than £100
And again,im so tired of all those Xbox X posts,it seams that they now just look to xbox X, while with sony they talked about ps4 pro,but not like this,im amazed that now indie games are the ones to go? come on we all know the X is the most powerful one,but it is not out yet,and the pro already 1 year of life....and lets just look for instance to Horizon it really looks great on the ps4 pro( even if not true 4k) but i m sorry i dont like the approuch of MS it is like they really want to sting sony and ps4 pro....im sorry MS if you dont bring AAA exclusive games for me you died.....it is not about power...because my pc puts xbox x in a corner....because i can play all of it on my pc,but if i want to play ps4 games i need a ps4,and i have it with a 4k tv....sorry but i dont dig this approach of MS,also it is like now xbox one S is like dead....
This literally poor fanboy is so angry he completely forgot how to correctly use punctuation! You guys are sooooo ANGRY! Shit is so funny. "Since I can't afford it, I'm gonna show everyone how angry I am so they can get angry too!" - dreueueue
Chillax - its not the end of the world
The Daily Star is the polygon and kotaku of the mainstream media,
Pre-ordered as well as a gift, but honestly 4K 30fps for most games isn't going to cut it. I would have liked to see 1440p at 60FPS, that would have been my preferred spec. Or an option to downsample to 1080p with HQ anti aliasing at 60FPS. Point is.... 60FPS should have been standard LAST GEN, it wasn't. No-one learned any lessons. I'm going AMD Vega 56, 10 tflops with future performance potential for $349 when the supply picks up and the price gouging stops. Xbox Play Anywhere titles will be the best MS has to offer. https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...
It's the CPU. That's why 60 FPS is hard. Much higher then 10 TFlops. 4.2->6.X was one year leap. 1.8-->4.2 was 3 year leap. (1.3-6.X was 4 year leap) 15-20 is possible in 2020-2021 for $399. 15-20 will literally be in PC's next year.
no surprise since the 1080ti hits 11.5-12 tflops. 15 is possible, but you have to remember that these video cards for PC's cost ridiculous amounts. My 1080ti was $900 Canadian.
It is the best console, but like the Pro, it has terribly restricting CPU architecture. It's not about just the graphics. New games like Destiny 2 are a laughable 30fps. On PC you can do up to 240fps on a 240Hz G-Sync monitor.
Are you sure "it is the best console" or just a powerfull one?
The Daily Star? The Daily Star???? Good god, I am surprised you could find a review on there amongst all the celebrity rubbish they make up, the bikini photos and the sensational headlines about Big Brother celebrities having nude romps. The reviewer probably thought the blinking light on the front of the box as worthy of a 11 out of 10 for impressive "world beating" features! Lets get back to normal service and have some reviews from sites that can be half believed, because The Daily Star is the UK's ultimate Fake News paper!
The reviewer has freelanced for the likes of Games™, NowGamer.com, Xbox Achievements, Play Magazine, XONE magazine and more. Normal service would be you not being so stupidly short-sighted and looking past the rest of the content on the site to focus on the preview that's been linked to.
I stopped looking for gaming news at the bikini photos. @Joey dailystar has a pretty strong reputation here of using click bait headlines and articles to get a rise out of people. Regardless of who the author is, the site made it's reputation based on it's poor content which is much more abundant than the occasional good article that comes along. Don't be mad at others for giving dailystar the credit they earned. It's not short sighted to have standards, and those who have been around for a while have pretty much deemed that dailystar doesn't really meet them. Doesn't matter which side of the fence you're on, dailystar has done plenty to discredit themselves among all walks of gamers over the years. they were one of the first and most vicious mainstream publications to speak out against gamers during gamer gate. They have had some of the most asinine reviews. They have some of the worst virtue signaling articles. They will both deride and greatly praise every company, often on the same topic to generate mutiple hits. dailystars independent writers may be fine from time to time, but the editorial standards of the publication themselves are absolutely atrocious.
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Its the Daily Star its also got secret alien tec that will take over the world and turn us all into zombies.