Microsoft won't confirm Xbox One X lifespan but talks up 'not just backwards compatibility'

MCVUK: "With the Xbox One X launch, two industry heavyweights will be competing with mid-gen hardware updates. However with the Xbox One X costing a hefty £450, a key question on consumer's lips will be just what is the lifespan of the new device?

We asked Albert Penello, the senior director who leads marketing for Xbox consoles globally, at an Xbox One X centred event yesterday in London."

[corroios]

Well this Xbox X will be replaced by a machine capable of doing 8k, because Microsoft is trying to sell the X like a true 4k console and the next one cant be a true true 4k machine.....

[ARESWARLORD]

I can tell right off the bat you don't have a PC. But don't worry my fellow PlayStation lover let me explain to you how it works. You can have 4K at minimum settings at medium settings or at high settings. The difference in GPU power to get to the different settings is substantial. You could easily release next gen systems aiming for 4K Higher settings. It's like my PS4 Pro playoverwatch on my regular PS4 a looks great play it on my PS4 Pro it looks even better same resolution 1080p

[corroios]

Well you seem to be a PC gamer. Its much harder to sell to casuals those kind of explanations.

With all the marketing saying 4k and true 4k, it will hard to sell the next box, because the average consumer, that is the one that buys millions and millons of consoles, doesnt understand low, médium or high settings. More doesnt care about it.

[4Sh0w]

Well the simply answerwhich he implied is so don't know exactly how long in terms of a definite 5, 6, 8, 10 yrs but it's definitely gonna be a long time because the philosophy going forward is compatibility but with more frequent iterations of hardware= like cell phones except of course not nearly as frequent. I mean even the author said:

"Inevitably, one day in the future, we'll see games that won't run on an Xbox One X, but that looks to be something that Microsoft is committed to avoiding for as long as possible - and with its current stance on compatibility and crossplay it's taking action today to back up that stance."

-Gamers are lucky these days, there will be more options available= upgraded hardware but if you choose to wait you still get to play the new games for a long time.

[dirkdady]

Trying to support old consoles will ultimately work against Microsoft in the long run as devs hit bottlenecks with the weaker CPU where simply offering low to medium settings won't solve.

Reason why next gen devs ditched last gen support

[freshslicepizza]

You're missing the point here. The days of stop-gap software is dying thankfully. There is no need to have all of your games basically become worthless once a new console comes out. The way PC software works needs to be applied to consoles but console gamers are so finicky about everything.

[Nyxus]

I'm in favor of a full generational leap rather than incremental upgrades, if possible with backwards compatibility. I wouldn't say your games become worthless, because you can continue to play them on the console they were released for.

[freshslicepizza]

@Nyxus
"I'm in favor of a full generational leap rather than incremental upgrades, if possible with backwards compatibility. I wouldn't say your games become worthless, because you can continue to play them on the console they were released for."

That's why I still have my VHS machine, laserdisk, DVD player and bluray all still hooked up to my TV.

Like I said, console gamers are very finicky about everything.

[Nyxus]

@ moldy: so you're saying a new Blu-Ray player should have a VHS slot?

[freshslicepizza]

Nyxus
"so you're saying a new Blu-Ray player should have a VHS slot?"

No, I am showing why some console gamers like yourself can't seem to get past the old way of thinking. There is no reason for the stop gap software to occur any longer.

[Rippcity]

Agreed @Moldy. I've been saying this was the direction of the Xbone ever since Windows 10 released.

I think people are confusing the X with a mid-gen upgrade but it's not that at all. I think MS is trying to turn the Xbox into the console version of a PC. I'd imagine each Xbox after the last will just be an incremental upgrade but will still run the newest version of Windows 10 and all the games you bought in the Xbox ecosystem. It would explain their huge push for backwards compatibility and the play anywhere stuff they are doing. I'm hoping this is the way they are going because I love that when I upgrade my PC I still have access to my huge steam library.

[TheVetOfGaming]

I agree that consoles should be able to play older generation games and not just have streaming pushed upon us.

[CoinOrc]

Iterative consoles won't work for the foreseeable future. Consoles aren't nearly as mainstream as cellphones. The cellphone market is big enough to support iterative generations, not to mention payment plans are available. It is not that console gamers are resistant to change. It is just the small market size compared to cellphones. Your comparison to VHS machines is disingenuous. VHS came out in the 1970s. DVD came out in 1997. For the first few years after the DVD came out, most people did keep their VHS machines. There were even DVD/VHS combo players back then. It would be more analogous to how most gamers keep their PS3s for the first few years after the PS4 came out.

[rainslacker]

While I'm fine with forward compatibility, and do like BC, which shouldn't be an issue going forward, I'd rather there be a good break in the development process where the newer hardware can actually show it's worth without being held back by a lower powered device. FC is great for things like cross gen ports though, which is basically what we have with the mid-gens now. It's just mandated, not at the option of the publishers, and only requires one release....which is actually good for publishers and gamers.

About my only gripe with PC gaming is the concept of the lowest common denominator, and I feel that should be kept to a minimum in the console space.

Supporting the older hardware should always be a choice for the developer, not mandated. More so, if FC becomes more prevalent, the publishers will probably opt to build for more people on the older systems for longer than we are currently accustomed to....which I'm not in favor of based on my first point.

BTW, I still have my VHS and laserdisc player. i still have media in those formats. You're applying a BC concept to the mid-gens, but the concept you're talking about is more about FC.

[freshslicepizza]

@CoinOrc
"The cellphone market is big enough to support iterative generations"

According to Sony the PS4 Pro is selling 20% of all PS4 hardware sales. What percentage do iPhone users for example upgrade to the latest phone? It is far too early to tell if this will become the norm or not and they do not plan on releasing new consoles every year. It is far more likely to occur 3 years after.

[conanlifts]

@Nyxus "I'm in favor of a full generational leap rather than incremental upgrades". But the thing is if they do an incremental upgrade then you still get a full generational leap every 6 years. In fact if the latest upgrade is a premium model I would argue that this model actually makes consoles more powerful.

Personallly I like this choice, I do partially hope that they discontinue the base model support with every 2nd upgrade though. So Xbox X 2 (they need to fix the names) would see the standard xbox one support stopping, but Xbox X support continuing. This also fits with their statement that Xbox X will not get exclusives as games would still be available on 2 models. But this model offers consumers choice.

[CoinOrc]

@moldybread
Exactly, only 20% of PS4s sold are PS4 Pro. There are approximately 60 million PS4s; 20% of that is 12 million. And PS4 is the best selling console right now. There are approximately 30 million Xbox Ones. Let's say 20% will be Xbox One X; that's only 6 million. And the Xbox One X hasn't even released yet. Currently, there is only one console maker selling an iterative console. Can you imagine three console makers releasing iterative consoles every three years? The console market just isn't big enough yet. For reference, Apple sold 41.02 million iPhones in Q3 2017 alone. The cellphone market is way bigger, it's not even close.

[conanlifts]

@coinorc "Exactly, only 20% of PS4s sold are PS4 Pro. There are approximately 60 million PS4s; 20% of that is 12 million"
20% of ps4s currently being sold are PS4 pro models. So the total sold is 20% of the last 12 month's ps4 sales, not 20% of all PS4's. Otherwise PS4 pro has sold 12 million in a year, which is not the case and on its own would be astounding. So if the PS4 sold 15 Million (complete guess) in the last 12 months the there would be 3 million ps4 Pro's sold in total as it has only been out 12 months.

[BeOpenMinded]

I hope it moves in that direction in which it would be possible to play a game from 2005 so to speak. PC can absolutely do that and hope the ability to do that comes to console

[CoinOrc]

@sd11
My mistake, but that actually proves my point even more.

[Vandamme21]

Microsoft is working on Halo 5 ODLC right now. So xbox fans should be happy😂😂

[4Sh0w]

No, but that's what happens when trolling goes wrong.

[DonkeyWalrus]

@G-haul I'm pretty sure it's referring to the Halo 3 ODST expansion, so it would mean that Microsoft is working on a DLC/expansion that will be Halo 5's equivalent to ODST... so ODLC... or something

[Bobafret]

8k is a long, long ways off. The industry needs to focus on AI and physics for awhile.

[morganfell]

AI for me is near the top. The gaming world isn't going to go completely pvp the way some wagered. Great AI improvements will have a far greater impact on immersion than 8K.

[MrEnglish]

I agree, 4k is still in it's infancy and won't be wide spread for another 4-5 years in my opinion. Higher fidelity graphics, AI and physics are the next step. Next gen won't be about resolution.

[rainslacker]

It'll be quite a long while before consoles try to support 8K. Even though they're available, 4K has only now just started making some headway into the mainstream. Trying to push 8K now would just annoy customers, and in the case of consoles make them priced way out of the mainstream market.

[kayoss]

You are tripping if you think 8k will be the standard in 4-5 years. As of this writing, 4k is not even the standard what make you think there will be a market for 8K in 2-3 years?
Microsoft will release a more powerful machine after Sony release there's. However, the question becomes, will microsoft stay in the Console business if X dont do well.

[S2Killinit]

This is exactely why i dont think its worth the cost. In a couple of years we will see true next gen consoles. I prefer to use the 550$ on games for now and save up for the next generation. Ive actually never been this unexcited for a new console as i am for the xboxX.

Thats not to say that someone else shouldnt be excited.

[1Victor]

@corroios you are wrong the next machine will be 16K with the optional 64K checkered videos.

/S

[Mithan]

8k doesn't matter.

[Condemnedman]

well of you don't believe it's a 4k machine that's fine but I think your fudging the truth because you don't like the idea it's more powerful than the current console machine which will no longer be able to claim its the most the powerful console . whatever you think it doesn't matter come November I will be using a 4k console under my 4k tv.

[Mulando]

lol, 8k ... now way were are near to get 8k running even on PC with the highest end PCs.
8k might get possible in current games in a few years, but not in games that come out in a few years.
8k has a real big problem (even 4k has it), the process to make those chips does develop as fast as resolution in the last few years. 8k would double resolution on both axis again which leads to ~4x more power needed just for current settings to run @8k. The jump from 480i/p -> 720p was huge, the jump to 1080p even bigger and to 4k much bigger. Doubling resolution on both axis works well until we reach a certain point.
Unless you have a TV in a Wall size format, 8k doesn't bring anything to you. Let the developers first fill 4k with content. Currently we have more a problem with the size of games, than their resolution.

[LexHazard79]

Well how about these companies build the next consoles to run 4K/60 first before thinking of 8K. Let me guess the next consoles will do native 4K and checkerboard 8k with rapid packed shit amd smart delivery...

[GamesMaster1982]

I gives it a year, max :-)

[FarEastOrient]

I give it 2 years. PS5 in 2019, Microsoft can no longer claim the beast title.

[MegamanXXX]

I thought they need games to be consider the beast?

[freshslicepizza]

@MegamanXXX
"I thought they need games to be consider the beast?"

You just can't help yourself can you? It has over 1,000 games so don't be mad if most of them up being the best console version out there along with other titles not found on any other console such as Forza 7 in 4K rock steady 60fps. You spent well over 1,000 on your PC apparently, does that not have any games either?

[MegamanXXX]

@Moldybread

Wait???Are you talking about PS4 Pro vs One X??? Im not. I'm talking about PC vs One X. PC has way more games and more value than Xbox. Ps4 and Nintendo has more exclusives than Xbox. Again you have failed my argument isn't about the best console version it's about more value and having more games and exclusive games. 😊

I find it hilarious you keep talking about the One X and I'm talking about Microsoft in general. Why do you think they're struggling this generation🤔🤔

I haven't said anything about the Pro or One X

[freshslicepizza]

@MegamanXXX
"Wait???Are you talking about PS4 Pro vs One X??? Im not. I'm talking about PC vs One X. PC has way more games and more value than Xbox. Ps4 and Nintendo has more exclusives than Xbox. Again you have failed my argument isn't about the best console version it's about more value and having more games and exclusive games. 😊"

You have an agenda, I know it, you know and the moderators know it. You said it needs games to be a beast. It will have games. So why are you trying so hard to talk about the lack of exclusives when you spent way more money on your PC if it wasn't for exclusives?

"I find it hilarious you keep talking about the One X and I'm talking about Microsoft in general. Why do you think they're struggling this generation🤔🤔&a mp;q uot;

Then go play your PC and PS4, problem solved. What is it with you and your determintaion to crappost in every topic about the XB1X and the lack of exclusives? This topic is about backwards compatability and holding onto your software and apps moving forward. Not these generation stop gap systems where you start all over.

"I haven't said anything about the Pro or One X"

Oh, so the term beast is in reference to what exactly? Get lost.

[Goozex]

I believe this will be ms last and final attempt to make any Xbox profit. They try too hard

[rainslacker]

I'd say they'll try harder than 2 years. However, when the time comes, I have no doubt that MS will drop it quick on the support side. Their whole company has a habit of doing that.

@moldy

If someone having an agenda somehow makes them wrong, then you must be tired of always being wrong.

Maybe address the argument, and not the user.

[Zeref]

And then Xbox 5 comes out in 2020.

So Xbox One X will have the power advantage for 2 years. And PS5 will have the power advantage for 1 year lol.

That's if it comes out in 2019. I think it will come out in 2020, the same time as the Xbox 5.

[KillBill]

@MegamanXXX - First off, PC is a moot point on the discussion of consoles. Secondly, PC exclusives, for the most part, aren't as big a thing as on console. The exclusives that are there do little more than make a PC user upgrade their PC and not make people go out and buy PCs.And the really good games most likely eventually show up on console if they are worth the time to play.

Also, the facts are when it comes to games... PC falls far behind the money to phone games which holds much more of the game market at bay.

[blackblades]

I say a couple of years. They should of waited a couple years so they can release a real next gen system and not a supposedly mid gen system. Not like one was selling like the wii u, it could hanged on a little bit longer.

[Goozex]

Ms XboXX is subliminal pornography

[Profchaos]

In typical ms fashion it will be untill the console stops selling

[GamesMaster1982]

I really think these mid gen upgrades are a waste of money. Yes i also include the PS PRO in this. I have the original PS4 and have no plans in buying any type of mid gen upgrade for a bit better graphics when they are fine the way they are. Now the whole new gen after this gen then yes i will buy the PS5. So all people saying but its the beast for X1X or what ever they say about the PSPRO. I don't care they games run perfect for me as they are and that is all i care about THE GAMES !.

[Father__Merrin]

Far too expensive for a mid gen refresh. I hope this is the last time this happens.

[darthv72]

Prob not. It will happen again in about 5-6 years with a PS5 pro and then maybe an xbox two x. I say skip the initial release and just wait until the improved mid gen release moving forward.

[rainslacker]

If Sony continues to sell well, then I wouldn't doubt they'll hold off for as long as possible. While I don't think they made the PS4 to be a "10 year console", business sense dictates that they longer they can hold out, the better off they'll be for this gen, and actually might not end up in a cycle where MS will eventually release more powerful hardware just a couple years after Sony, which would be good for them as well. MS has a bit more time to see what Sony does for next gen before committing, which is good for them.

This has been one weird generation though. Personally, so long as I'm getting games, the rest is just politics for our amusement.:)

[Zeref]

It's not midgen. Sony uses that term. Because they are going to do the old Generation reset.

This is how it will be for Xbox going forward.
Everything you have (games/accessories) will keep working on future Xbox consoles until the older one is too behind in technology. Maybe every two generations(Xbox generations will be 3 years) will phase out the oldest. That's every 6 years, which is reasonable since that is normal time that a traditional generation lasts. So you're not forced to buy a console every 3 years. If you want you can just wait for your console to turn 6 years old or you can trade it in for a new Xbox, A 3 year old console is probably worth more than a 6 year old anyway.

So by 2020, when the Xbox 5 is releases, the Xbox One/S will probably be less supported. Only certain games might still support it. Just like some new Apps/games won't work on your iPhone 4. And the Xbox One X will replace S and have the same price at that point.

The newer consoles will support your entire library of games and accesories. No need to worry about keeping your old console to play your old games. or forced to buy new controllers.

rebuying new accessories is what killed Guitar Hero and Rockband games and it probably also had a hand in killing Offline multiplayer. Nobody wants to keep buying accessories for their consoles.

If Sony doesn't get this then they will be in trouble.

[DivineAssault]

I wonder if they plan to launch the next box the same year as PS5.. It would be a huge risk if they did or didnt

[WePlayDirty]

I agree. Then what? The One X is now the base model and the next Xbox is the new model? What happens with the One S, and hell, OG One users.. will they need to buy the newer console?

[DivineAssault]

They could go full digital like they intended this gen for all we know.. Just gotta wait and see i guess..

[ALowlyRock]

To answer your first question; yeah, that's how it'll be. Right now, the original Xbox One and Xbox One S are the entry level models. The One X is the premium model. When the successor to the One X is released, the One X will become the base/entry level model with the new console being the top tier/premium one. As for what'll happen with the original Xbox One and One S, nobody knows yet. They could be dropped entirely, or Microsoft could instead keep those the budget, entry level models, make One X a mid-tier choice and the new console will naturally still be their top tier offering.

Regardless, Microsoft's plan now is that no matter what Xbox you get, it's part of the same family of consoles and all your games, past, present and future will work, albeit with graphics settings adjusted for the kind of hardware you're running. Basically, they're making the Xbox family of systems like how it is with PC. The big question is how long they'll support less powerful hardware. Eventually, their less powerful hardware will have to be dropped, like how old PC hardware is too.

[aconnellan]

"What happens with the One S, and hell, OG One users.. will they need to buy the newer console?"

Probably the same thing that happens to OG PS4 users when the PS5 comes out.

I don't understand how this is a point of confusion

[InTheZoneAC]

Ms knows to stay relevant they have to release the next gen system prior to the next PlayStation, that's why the 1X released. MS is hoping to cash in on that with all those early "next gen hype yo" 360 buyers

[MrEnglish]

I'm pretty sure you are going to see released from Sony and Microsoft at different stages now. The power competition will alternate each 3 or so years with these mid range refreshes. I honestly think this is the beginning of a new way of releasing hardware. No more fixed units every 6-8 years.

[rainslacker]

I think if Sony is going for 2020, then MS may try for 2022, just so they can have another couple years of "most powerful console" marketing, without having to actually do much to get all that media attention and fan boy tripe.

I'm more curious how MS is going to support the Xbox One in general right now, and not how long the X1X will remain relevant. Honestly, people should be asking how long the OGX1 will be supported, because that would likely be dropped before the X1X.

[Goozex]

I think this is ms final console they have failed and failed and are heading back to pc gaming

[MetroidFREAK21]

When I do buy this and if they release a new platform like 4 years down the road, gonna be quite salty... I feel as though the generations need to be longer... I don't want new platforms until 2022 or so 💁

[343_Guilty_Spark]

You’re going to be salty because something newer is going to come out better than what you have?

[MetroidFREAK21]

Someone give this person a history lesson... Look up the Sega CD and 32X... That will clearly show you what I am talking about

[darthv72]

You do know that new hardware is always being worked on after these companies release their platforms.... right? The average console cycle is roughly 5 years. some have been shorter (4) and others longer (8) but the average is still 5.

with that said, the next logical release time frame for a PS system would be 2018 (5 years after the initial release) but seeing as they just released the Pro at the 3 year mark it could be another 3 years until the next PS5. so 2019 (maybe 2020 if they opt for a 6 year cycle). As for xbox, this X is being released at the 4 year mark of the xbo and as such they could take another 4 years to release an xbox two which would be 2021 but it wont be before the PS5.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Yes I am aware hardware developers start plans for the next product soon after release. I still think after the 2013 release of the PS4 and Xbox One, we should wait until at the very least 2021 for the next hardware iterations

[343_Guilty_Spark]

That’s dumb

[rainslacker]

Next year is utterly packed with new games, so I think it's going to go fast. Kind of like the end of the PS2 days where game after game was coming out. Eventually people are going to want something fresh, and the perception that hardware somehow makes games fresh is strong...even though it's mostly just cross gen ports at the start.

[Artemidorus]

They cannot be trusted after saying 10 years then announcing three consoles within three years.

They even ditched the original, ditched the camera, changed the controller.

Microsoft to me right now are damaged good and you lost a previous loyal cusomter from the start because of it.

[mcstorm]

Microsoft never said the xbox one will be supported for 10 years they said the console has been built to last for 10 years.

You could also say sony have done the same in making the new ps4 and then the pro and then VR and then not supporting VR. No matter what people say you can swing things how you want just like I have done.

At the end of the day the tech world is a fast moving one Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all trying to find their own feet and ways in the console market as some things are a hit like the wii, psp, ds, psx, 2, 360 ect others are not a hit psv, xbox, wiiu, move, VR ect.

[Artemidorus]

Microsoft made it very clear it had a ten year goal with the Xbox One, it's already been abandoned and changed.

I paid alot of money for day one and if I had been told they were making upgrades I wouldn't of paid on day one.

[rainslacker]

@Art

mcstorm is right here. MS was speaking on the reliability of the hardware, not how long they would support the system.

But @mcstorm

Within that same interview where he stated the 10 year thing, it was also stated that the OGX1 was future proofed for the whole generation.

I think it'd be hard to say they actually achieved that consider this whole mid-gen thing being an actual thing.

[mcstorm]

Microsoft said the console was made to last 10 years please release read that. Both Sony and Microsoft came out saying they expect to replace the PS4 and Xbox one in 5 years when they came out.

I like you got a day one Xbox one I also got a day one wiiu 3ds and ps. Now Nintendo don't support the wiiu and Sony stopped most of the support of the PS3 in its 1st 12 months.
Also the Xbox one will play all games that are on the Xbox x and Sony Brought out the pro a year before Microsoft made the x do you feel the same way about them as Sony have already said the PS5 will be a new gen for them. Also kinect works on the x just like the one and the s. If your pissed about what Microsoft are doing then fine but come on look at the console industry rather than just Xbox and you will see what is happening

[Gh05t]

"I paid alot of money for day one and if I had been told they were making upgrades I wouldn't of paid on day one."

Please tell me you are kidding. Have you not followed console lifespans in the last 20 years. I bought 2 Playstation models (original and PS one model), 2 PS2 models (original and slimline), PS3 changed a bunch (including taking BC cell chip away) But I waited and bought after the slim came out and then they still released a super slim edition. I bought 3 different Xbox 360s (Original pro, then the elite, then the S model).

By the way the Xbox One day one edition still works with every game so far announced and they havent announced any game that it wont work with so stop your exaggerated hysteria.

[Artemidorus]

You type some waffling crap about how many consoles you can buy.

Consoles as a whole have lasted years, this new Xbox One X won't be using the camera because it's useless, won't be using the OG controller because it's updated and have an elite option too.

It has 4K blu ray 4K HDR 4K gaming.
Some of this should of been future proof from the get go not demanding more and more money afew years later.

[rainslacker]

So new slim models is somehow equivalent to what these mid-gens are, despite hardware revisions generally having the same hardware as the originals, just in a new smaller package?

Why do people equate these two things? Why do these same people act like everyone buys the slims when they already have a console, since I'd wager that most dont as there is really not much reason to do so outside of having a faulty console, or just liking the design.

Slims and mid-gens are completely different paradigms. You aren't required to buy either, but the mid-gens aren't just a redesign of the hardware, they pose the potential to supplant the current gens hardware and make that older hardware irrelevant without there being a clean generational break.

[Gh05t]

@Rainslacker

Yeah in general they are exactly the same. Just like the slim models you are under NO OBLIGATION to purchase one and you can keep your day one console and it will work just the same. Your Day One edition console will work with the games coming out tomorrow exactly the same. Suppose we are in an alternate universe where Xbox One X doesnt even exist... You would be playing the game the same as you will after it does come out in this reality.

I didnt say everyone buys the slim, I did mention that I happen to buy a lot of them but at no point did I say everyone does (or should). My point was that new console iterations come out all the time. And if you happened to read my other point it was that some of the tech in these consoles didnt EXIST when they were released like UHD Blu ray players. So to be upset that MS is offering newer and better things seems way counter productive since again... If the Xbox One X didnt exist at all Your console you have now will play it the same.

Just because you dont like this mid gen iteration stuff doesnt mean you are forced to upgrade. Eventually you will be but that could be another 5 years from now for all we know.

In the end this is optional and all the games still play. Being mad that there is a better and faster version out in the world is pure jealousy. The console is 5 years old. I dont get mad when new cars come out, I dont get mad when new phones come out, I dont get made when new CPU or GPU chips come out and make my things not as good. If they still work they still work and upgrading is still optional.

[Gh05t]

"won't be using the OG controller because it's updated and have an elite option too."

WTF are you even talking about? You are being ridiculous. Why cant you use the controller that COMES WITH IT? It sure isnt the elite controller.

Again do you not remember when Dual Shock controller came out and replaced the original PS controller 3 years into its life cycle.

"4K blu ray 4K HDR 4K gaming"

"Some of this should of been future proof from the get go not demanding more and more money a few years later."

4K UHD Movies weren't released until MARCH 2016, 2+ YEARS AFTER THE CONSOLE RELEASED!

How do you expect them to put that into a console when that craps not even out yet? The Xbox One S came out August 2016.

And no one is DEMANDING you buy anything. Again your DAY ONE console can still play all the games released, with the same controller.

[Artemidorus]

4K has been around for years, if something has a ten year plan you plan ahead especially knowing this tech would grow. Sony did it with the DVD and Internet modems.

Microsoft didn't decide to make three consoles they were forced to because the original console were weak and technology played catch up.

It's the first console I've paid a premium price where it's pretty much outdated and done in less than three years.

Your argument of still playing sub par games and ditching technology so early is a poor effort and none of your business for me ranting.

I am not buying consoles like it's the latest smartphone.

[bellyboy]

Ps4 sales arent slowing, they arent going to slow much in 2018 as it has great system seller games next year, so id say ps5 will come fall 2019, if that happened it gives the X 2 soild years, then it would be less powerful than the ps5, but i think would still do well for another 2 years, so id say the X will have 4 years. Microsoft need to get their mojo back with exclusives, Most 1st party games are native 4k so far, if they make the great games like they have in the past it could easily go longer but we need the next gears/halo/fable we need killer games like they made in the past.

[Fishy Fingers]

They’re fixed form PCs, nothing more, they’ll continue to be backwards and in future, forwards compatible (from now on) in most cases. The games just won’t look or perform as well as they do on the ‘next box’.

Sometime into next gen ambitious games/apps will begin phasing out support and then rinse and repeat.

That mobile phone model.

[denawayne]

I wrote this earlier this year and I still think it's going to happen -

"Scorpio is just the first in a trend of new console cycles. Each new console will play all previous consoles titles (from Xbox 360 on) as well as exclusives for the new console. This way, a new console can be released about every 5 years with the previous console before it supported for about 2 years. So, in 20 years, I can still play every Xbox title ever made (except OG Xbox titles (I was partially wrong about this) on whatever console ..."

[MegamanXXX]

Just for 2 years

[InTheZoneAC]

xXbX1Xx lifespan is whenever PS6 gets released since this is supposedly their true next gen 4k machine.

[sk8ofmnd]

The 2013 xb1 sales nosedived 6 months before the xb1s released and then ms basically only sold the slim in abundance and eventually discontinued the og... The xb1s sold really well for 4-6 months and then from the beg on the year to now sales have nosedived. Ms fans would like to believe its because of the xb1x... If thats so, will the xb1s sales decline even further after the release of the X and basically have the same fate as the 2013 xb1?

[ElementX]

I'm sure X will play "next-gen" in some form. Maybe not 4k or perhaps the games will have reduced graphics. What's holding the X back is that games have to run on the One as well. If One support is dropped then "next-gen" games will only have to be compatible with X, which is a more capable system.

[DiRtY]

Who confirmed a lifespan of a console before release?

All I can think of was a "10 year plan" from Sony in 2006, which was more a vague statement than a concrete timeline.

I don't see the news here.

[rainslacker]

I can't imagine any console maker would really commit to a specific amount of time. Even with the PS3, if things hadn't gone well, then Sony may have dropped it sooner.

Even then though, their 10 year plan never stated it would be ten years before their next console released, and Sony actually did support the PS3 for 10 years.

[Tankbusta40]

ps3 didn't go well for many years and it wasn't dropped. It has a horrible release and caught up at the end of the console cycle due to changes.

[rainslacker]

They sold reasonably well though, so it wasn't a bust. Either way, they had to push it for more than a few years, and the software sales were sufficient enough to keep on going. Sony dropped the Vita after a few years though, at least in the west. 4 years officially, but 3 where it mattered.

The mid-gens are a different breed though, so kind of hard to say what is a sufficient amount of time for support there.

[MADGameR]

X Box One X life span will be 3 years. because the PS5 will release and the X Box One X will be irrelevant by 2020

[subtenko]

oh boy, just treat it like the iphone, set expectations low

[DarXyde]

Microsoft's refusal to confirm One X's lifespan is pretty much a giveaway; I'm willing to bet it has a reactionary lifespan. That is, it depends. If it's successful, it'll be around for a bit. If it isn't, it won't. I give it a maximum of three years.

[nucky64]

I'd say it's lifespan will be as long as it takes for ps5 to launch.

[craig2web]

They don't want to talk lifespan because they know XB2 is likely to launch in 2019, but if more people knew that, X1X would lose sales.

[Mithan]

This is 6Teraflops, about half what you really need for 4k.... I expect Sony will come out in 2018/2019 with at least 10-12, depending when that makes the plung. That will be a true 4k machine at that point. MS will probably not release anything else until 2020 IMO.

[leeeroythe3rd]

How many silly negative trolls can be published about one platform? all consoles life is dictated by market... sony or nintendo could respond in 1 year or 2 if x1x sold 100 million units ... or it could sell 5 to 20 million in a few years and just become the base platform for x1 / win 10 console. sony pr machine is trying every angle to keep people from pursuing their own path in gaming. its sad bc all 3 platforms bring value and competition to the table

[jznrpg]

They will release a Xbox X 2 or whatever as soon as they know about PS5 just like they did with XB1 so probably 1-3 years from now at most. Though they should just stick with xb1x amd make games and more studios and release a new box when they are ready, but they wont do that and try to match Sony and lose again

[Mikey Mike]

2 years....

[DJ]

If Apple can do it, so can MS and Sony. I hope PS4 Pro and Xbox One X last another 5 years.

[Elda]

2020 PS5,MS knowing PS5 power MS/XB releases a more powerful console in 2021. This might be MS strategy now to come for PS.

[Destiny1080]

releasing a year after the ps5 would be a death sentence for xbox, promising an extra 20%/30% more power wouldn't save it, they need to go early or at the same time

realising xbox at the same time with 30% more power would be my strategy

[TheHan]

That’s like asking how long is your brand new car is gonna last you. You don’t know, the console hasn't even been released yet.

[Profchaos]

Sounds like they are hinting at more incremental updates instead of full blown cycles