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AI in Games Is Horrible, Admits EA's Patrick Söderlund, But It Will Get Much Better Soon

AI (Artificial Intelligence) is generally horrible in games, EA's Executive VP Patrick Söderlund admitted, but it will get much better soon thanks to research like the one EA is funding with their SEED division.

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Imp0ssibl32860d ago

I'll believe when I see it. AI really does suck though

Player1242860d ago

not all of them tbh, some games have decent AI that actually see your playstyle and "tries" to adapt.

freshslicepizza2860d ago

Halo is a good example of difficulty and A.I. being scaled. Most games turn up the difficulty by simply giving you less hit points or throwing more enemies at you. Halo actually had smart A.I.

CyrusLemont2859d ago

That's because CPUs weren't given a priority in this gen's hardware. That's why a more powerful PC will get you better graphics but the same simulation/AI experience. Everything is restricted by the lowest common denominator which is the PS4's CPU unfortunately.

Ashunderfire862859d ago

An you had to forget about Xbox One hmm.

TWB2859d ago (Edited 2859d ago )

Modern videogame AI is barely different compared to games from the 2000's. They may have little more choices now that the games have become a bit more complex, but their movement tend to be ever so predictable and decision making dumb as ever.

*At least on average. These days there are games with some pretty good AI.

Aenea2859d ago

@Ashunder

He did and did not. After all, the X1 CPU is the same as in the PS4, also isn't the X1's clocked a teensy bit higher? So the lowest common denominator is the PS4's CPU...

CaptainObvious8782859d ago

That's why I wish everyone would stop bloody focusing on stupid 4k (not that resolution should be entirely kicked to the wayside) and focus on the important things that will improve gameplay like AI and physics.

Ashunderfire862859d ago

Physics in a good place, but AI needs the work badly. I agree that the best AI I ever seen in a shooter was Halo. Alien Isolation AI with the Xenomorph sneaking on you, and even grabbing you out of the vent, is very good. Some of the best pathfinding in a horror game like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic2859d ago (Edited 2859d ago )

I could swear they have made AI smarter before and it just frustrated players (I think it might have been the Last of Us or one of the Uncharted games). If I recall correctly they had the AI do things like flank the players, people got frustrated, so they had the AI verbally announced what they were doing, players still got frustrated. All in all, I think they came to the conclusion that people don't like AI that's too smart.

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KaiPow2860d ago

I'd like to see Turn-10's Drivatar tech be used in other genres.

porkChop2860d ago

The Drivatar tech certainly isn't great, and needs some real improvement. Still, that video isn't much of a comparison when in GT Sport the guy clearly moves out of the way of oncoming cars.

RommyReigns2859d ago

Benny Hill is laughing in his grave!

Godmars2902859d ago

Because the mechanics of a driving game are the exact same as any other type of game?

Anyone remember that Dirty Pair PS3 title - that never got made - where you controlled them by voice?

Anyone remember the Dirty Pair?

wonderfulmonkeyman2859d ago

Dirty Pair? Like, the anime?
Good lord, I thought I was the only one who remembered that.XD

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2859d ago

I am guessing you never played Zelda: Breath of the Wild then.

theXtReMe12860d ago

I truly think developers either dont implement AI at all or just dont research its possibilities. It doesnt help that console CPUs this gen have basically halted all AI and physics advancements. Theyre simply not powerful enough to do anything significant in those areas. They are having difficulty enough keeping framerates stable.

I think AI can be as simple as text files. Where AI thats in proximity to witness the players actions gets information stored in their personal text file of your actions and conversations(especially if you have any with them) and on your next encounter with them, simply looks up your past actions and conversations and reacts based off of them. Of course, the major hurdle in a system like this is keywords and context. Keywords are easy, context is not. Which is also the biggest hurdle in speech recognition and intelligent response. With so many ways for one word or sentence to interpreted based off of emotion, body language and pronunciation... its almost impossible to teach to a machine. Humans are brought up understanding how emotion and body language play into the interpretations of words. Computers cant see that and have to be programmed to listen for it. But those little nuances in our voice are often times misinterpreted by our own friends and family... so, how do you teach a machine to listen for and interpret them correctly?

Tommy Tallarico and I got into this very discussion once. He and I both firmly believe that the future of videogames is in speech recognition and intelligent response. Though, it is still a ways off due to the amount of CPU power you would need to listen, interpret and respond correctly and as fast as a human would, in order to be able to have a fluid conversation with AI in game. Imagine being able to walk up to any character in a game, speak into your headset and have a conversation with them. Like you would any friend. Them remembering conversations prior and talking to you about anything. Imagine what kind of impact that would have on any game and the emotion you would feel if, at the 100 hour mark... that AI character that youve befriended was killed... the feeling of grief, anger and loss would be like that of the real world and create emotions in games that would bleed out into your real life. Imagine the water cooler conversations you could have with friends about games like that. I always tell people to watch and reference the movie ‘HER’ for what it could be like.

With the power of the Ryzen CPUs and the roadmap of whats to come after... the next generation of consoles is going to be huge for the improvement and implementation of AI, Physics and hopefully speech recognition. This current generation has been all about graphics and we have mostly(yes, it still exists in some titles, but not a lot) seen the demise of aliasing and shimmering. Which, to me, is a huge step for the solidity of on screen visuals. Next generation, I want physics to change the way we play games. Being able to shoot a statue on top of a building, that falls onto a truck below, creating an explosion that sends a bumper flying through an enemies body. Making every encounter an experience, instead of just shooting enemies in the face or throwing a grenade their way. Same goes for AI.

The future looks bright, my friends. Lets just hope developers embrace all it has to offer.

Godmars2902859d ago

Think its as simple as most other aspects of game development, scenario plotting and physics along with individual and group AI, took a backseat with the advent of graphic fidelity and HD .

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Sony is all-in on PlayStation Plus, says its most expensive tier is thriving

Sony kicks off PS Plus' 15th anniversary by chatting with Game File about the past, present and future of its gaming subscription service: Talking price, catalogue tweaks and where the PS3 games are.

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CrimsonWing691d 7h ago

Glad, I’m about to downgrade when they raise the price. For me, I don’t really access much or care about the games they have in the library and if I do, it’d be cheaper to just buy them over time rather than stick to some expensive subscription model.

crazyCoconuts1d 5h ago

When you're new to the service you've got an avalanche of games to play. After you catch up, I agree, it's not worth it beyond the Essential tier for me.
That being said, the Essential tier is the best deal in console gaming imo, based on the monthly games you get to keep.

Profchaos23h ago

Yeah same will be downgrading $214 aud is insane and we don't even get the streaming capabilities in Australia which they said would make the top level subscription cheaper.

If i was to just buy the games I actually play that come to the service id be far better off.

Ill keep the essential tier to retain the games ive collected since the ps3 and for mp but I'm not convinced of the premium tiers value any more

victorMaje21h ago

Went back to essential a few months ago. I’m buying more physical and it has helped in finishing more games.

Profchaos10h ago

Tend to agree if i go to the trouble of buying a disc ill typically finish it

Alos881d 7h ago

Extra is probably the best value for money right now, Premium doesn't have anything special enough to justify paying the additional imo.

OtterX1d 6h ago

*unless you have a Portal & you catch Premium on discount during Days of Play or Black Friday.

Yea, I really do wish they'd up their effort on Premium titles, but allowing a large catalog of titles that can stream to your Portal without even having to use your PS5 is pretty awesome. We travel about 2 hours to stay with my inlaws from time to time, so it's been pretty killer to only need to take my Portal for that!

andy851d 5h ago

Yup if you have a portal premium is the best tier for sure

KyRo13h ago

Extra has been getting worse and worse each month. I've had it since it's launch and it's been great to play some games I may not have played but the selection has been declining rapidly for a while now. My sub runs out in August and I'll be going back to essential. They actually add games to that which are more appealing.

jznrpg1d 6h ago

Add some more classics with trophies. Vagrant Story first

OtterX1d 6h ago

Nice choice. I agree!

Jeanne D'Arc was my favorite PS+ catalog title from last year & I Platinumed it!

Eonjay1d 3h ago

I like Ridge Racer, Tekken and Grandia. Add Xenogears, digimon World 3, Classic GTA and ill be happy

jznrpg1d 2h ago

Jeanne D’Arc was great!

@Eonjay there is a Grandia collection available for PS4, I’m not sure if it’s been on plus already or not

darthv721d 6h ago

cloud streaming to the portal, without using the ps5, is the selling point of premium to me.

Obscure_Observer1d 6h ago

If the consumers are happy, Sony is even happier.

It is what it is.

Eonjay1d 3h ago

I tend to agree with you.

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Hitoshi Sakimoto Celebrates 40 Years Of Game Composing With A Streaming Collection

The legendary composer celebrates forty years of game composing with a new collection.

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Yoshida claims PS believes Xbox is their only competitor, truth is they don’t have one any more

Former PlayStation boss Shuhei Yoshida claims PlayStation still believes Xbox is their only true competitor, not Nintendo.

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Terry_B7d ago

True, they have pretty different audiences..and some People just have both at home or a PS and a PC that emulates more or less everything from Nintendo.

Knightofelemia7d ago

Xbox hasn't been a competitor since the XB360. Last generation and this generation Sony has been running circles around Xbox. As for Sony vs Nintendo Sony runs circles yes but I don't really see Nintendo as competition. Nintendo does their own thing and it works.

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Lightning777d ago

Details are important. Console sales yes. Overall games Xbox seems to be doing fairly well in that department.

LoveSpuds6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

MS were doing so well that they had to start selling their games on their main competitors system which in turn results in around 30% of each sale going to Sony as the platform holder.

I do think tjat MS' fortunes will improve now that they are actually selling games rather than giving them away for pennies on the dollar.

Something that occurs to me is that the more success MS published games have elsewhere, the more stark it will become that selling games is much more profitable than renting them. If that becomes highly noticable, I wonder what the shareholders (who ultimately run the show) will make of a service which has stagnated for years?

crazyCoconuts6d ago

PlayStation doesn't compete with third party games, they compete on consoles. They profit from third party games. If you're not comparing consoles there's no point in comparing.

drivxr7d ago

Console wars are over.

Eventually, everyone else will catch up to this fact.

attilayavuzer7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

I think it's all PS fans have left at this point. Console wars were always a competition for fourth place behind Nintendo, PC and mobile. If Xbox evaporates into a hybrid virtual platform, then PS will be perennially left in last place.

Christopher7d ago

Strange, I recall all those FCC documents and witness testimonies saying the exact opposite... Guess Microsoft doesn't know what it's talking about?

PanicMechanic6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Great analysis. Just joking.

Pretending like companies give a f about where they “rank” against each other is just super retarded. This isn’t the World Cup.

Tell me, how does “PC” compete against a brand like PlayStation? It just doesn’t make sense at all. What you just said, is complete and utter nonsense

BlaqMagiq16d ago

I don't think PS cares about being in this so-called "last place" you came up with when they're making profits hand over fist.

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Destiny10807d ago

microsoft wanted to crush sony into dust and they had the money to do it, but with such weak leadership it was always going to fail

Reaper22_7d ago

Had the money? They still have the money but the industry has changed since xbox 360. Microsoft is the number one publisher in gaming. I'd hardly call that failing.

IRetrouk7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

The industry hasn't changed though, just ms, Microsoft was the no1 publisher for a month in december 2024, the actual no1 for fy2024 was tencent if game sales are all that's being counted.

Profchaos7d ago

Money doesn't mean you'll be successful large corporations have entered and failed before like Nec

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