David Cage said that he opted to cancel two scenes in Detroit: Become Human that could be interpreted wrongly. The developers avoided using existing issues in a game that's still just entertainment.
Hmm curious how this one will be received.
It's going to be interesting, for sure.
no doubt.... but according to this news it'll be less interesting than it could've been
I would prefer he leave the scenes in and let the game be controversial, I like that kind of thing.
This whole game looks interesting.
That will go well
All of david cages games are great ...the real question is will this finnally open peoples eyes to davids games or will it just be a cult hit again ..
David Cage is an odd fellow fellow, i quite enjoy his games but he really strugglibg at simply taking responiblity for what is always an inherently political narrative.
Yes because god forbid we offend someone's feelings. /s
Could those scenes have involved some sort of MESSAGE or anything SUBSTANTIAL? Because I can understand why Cage would remove those.
Maybe with the whole race war/police brutality thats going on in the US.
There is a race war going on the US? Damn it must not be happening where I live. Guess I gotta get the guns outta the safe just in case it shows up at my doorstep!!! I should also avoid the people who don't look like me that I see daily...lest they get the drop on me!
What race war? You must be joking....if you think a small collection of weak, alt-right/nazi imbeciles marching and carrying torches amounts to a war, you haven't been paying attention. That fringe would get crushed, and quickly, by the overwhelming numbers that oppose their nonsense.
I would not mind that. I mean come on why everything must be dumb down. Even today's filmmakers are afraid of going all out; hence, remakes and superhero films. Were are the risktakers?
Exactly. A message like in COD MW2 with the No Russian level at the airport. Hell, they could even allow a person to skip that section, like COD did. (Not 100% positive it could be done as easily as COD, since that was a specific level, but...)
That's unfortunate. I would argue that dealing with real world issues is kind-of the point of these sorts of games.... "Video game" is just a convenient term that stuck with us. It doesn't mean that they all have to be "games" in the most basic sense of the word and that they have to make you point at the screen and say "ha ha ha I am entertained!"
Thank you completely agree. We need game developers not afraid of tackling political/controversial issues.
Wow, this really kind of turns me off of the game. Self censoring because you're afraid people might become offended over a work of fiction? Ugh, I guess that's the PC culture we live in. What if they were great scenes, that really added to the game? We all have to pay the price just because you're afraid of offending people? This really dampens the excitement I had for this game.
Oh man, imagine ND decided to remove the incident with Joel's daughter in TLOU, or the side story about the little girl in Bloodborne.
These things weren't very "political", though. Probably not as political as what was removed from Detroit
What...? No. No it isn't.
" Self censoring because you're afraid people might become offended over a work of fiction? Ugh, I guess that's the PC culture we live in." not sure what you mean, Hatred was released on pc regardless of it's reception.
Yeah but that was a game about violence. In contrast 6 days in Fallujah was about the Syrian War and got canceled. Street Fighter V got censored for showing skin, Valve removed early access game Party House for extreme sex and nudity......
It's okay to not do something because it may offend someone. I know the edgelord extreme anti-sjw culture in gaming now is the "it" thing but it's okay to NOT offend people if you can help it. Get over it.
way to puss out. How would Call of Duty MW2 been if they got scared and pulled out the No Russian act? Stop worrying about the backlash and push the medium forward. Movies do it all the freaking time so why not games!? Quit thinking, "Oh boo hoo people will complain and not buy the game!" Push the medium forward and challenge people.
Lmao mw2 is the best example you could give huh? It would've been FINE because that scene could've been replaced. it's not even significant looking back on it now.
A better example is Syrian Warfare an rts game based on today's Syrian War.
GG Cage, let's remove possibly interesting subject matter in case we offend the PC snowflake brigade and Polygon gives us a 4/10. Oh but do us a favour and don't use 'it's just a game' as your excuse, that kind of thinking should have been buried with Ebert.
For once I'd like to see Quantic Dreams create a non dramatic title to prove their versatility. I'd honestly prefer that Dark Sorcerer tech demo that was shown off at E3 2013 to be developed into a fully fledged game next
Than I am glad that novels are not just novels and movies are not just movies anymore. Now I have to wait till games stop to be just games. Sigh. Everything could be interpreted wrongly but that is ok. Imo art should be open to interpretations, it is perfect if people have many interpretations and talk about them, if there is just one, correct message, it becomes flat and a medium has less meaningful impact.
Preemptive tiptoeing around the offendtards I presume.
Whatever the reason or scene, I hope there's an option for the player. Like COD:MW2 where you can choose to play the massacre level. It's 2017, we should have options!
The pro-terrorist scene in MW2 should have been cut fully. Those devs must love ISIS and the recent Nazi terrorist.
So what if the SJWs rage over trivial nonsense . .They may riot and destroy a few cities, but atleast you'll have your integrity.
Make sense or just stop.
A tad disappointed at this move, Cage seemed to like piercing the controversial lines. Oh well still excited for this one.
I'm disappointed that he chose to cut content from the game because he's afraid of the reaction to it. What happened to artists defending their freedom of expression?
Artists/ceators edit, always have, always will. Why have 1% detract from the whole when the whole was and still is the message or relays the meaning you intended? Scenes are removed, cut and changed for a myriad of reasons. Perhaps he’d rather people appreciate his work for the sum of its parts, rather than getting their knickers in a twist over a misconstrued small piece/scene and it overshadow the rest.
"Scenes are removed, cut and changed for a myriad of reasons." True, though based on his words it looks like fear of backlash is the reason for these cuts.
Artists right to freedom of expression goes both ways. Not just the things you agree with. Perhaps he analyzed those scenes and decided to it them BECAUSE of that right.
"Could be interpreted wrong" Who cares? If I draw a painting of a Piece of shit on a rock, with a stick in it...That's alll I was going for. I like poop. Someone would interpret it as a "Beautiful message of unity, and the stick represents Love, puncturing the shit, which represents Hate. And the rock represents peoples solid foundation when we all love each other." Okay, hipster. But interpretation is good...no? That's the point of art, no?
Dumbest shit I've ever read.
It's crazy isnt it? Should of heard all the assholes in the art wing at College....wow.
In other words they censored the game because of SJWs.
I've grown weary of the 'choice' games like Telltale's line up, and hope this one can create a greater variety of 'consequences' to my actions - that's what gets me excited for the potential of this release.
Good ole censorship because of feelings...wooo the way of the current world!!! These guys obviously want to avoid some protesting idiots taking things and making a huge deal about them!
Because one side of that divide are the only ones who make a big deal about things, right... Alt Righters and SJW are the flip sides of the same insane coin.
Darn, what happened Cage; in my opinion he should of gone all in. I mean what is the point of the M rating or AO rating if the game is still going to be for teenagers. So much for adults playing games.
That's pretty pathetic. Nothing against him but that's the kind of stuff we deal with now. Our current events are literally insane, pure madness. Everybody must walk on eggshells, we don't want to upset the random torch mob of the day. It's sad to see a great nation fall to such stupidity. Rotting out from the inside with the cancer of a minuscule few. These trouble makers and hate groups put together don't even represent 1% of the American population and look how creators, politicians and businessmen fold to their will. "This is America" - CNN. No, that's a couple thousand morons.. It's sad times we live in, terrible times.
I have read your comments on this site for far to long and I know you were huge Trump supporter. I mean you had to know given the rhetoric Trump put out in the run up to the election that this would be the outcome. I mean he regularly called for and supported violence at his rally's. He is and has been argumentative constantly one only has to read his twitter to see that. I mean he is even driving a wedge in the republican party. He can't even hold together his group of business leaders which shouldn't need to discuss anything but economic growth. Even his own staffers have left him and the guy hasn't even been in office a year. I fear for the nation if we have to go though a full four years of Trump. And yes there are idiots on both sides but there is no way anyone can claim that Trump isn't at the heart of it. Be it the supremacists and Nazi's on the right or the extreme liberals on the left, they all got their call to action from Trump. You voted for this outcome. It was clear this was how it would turn out.
What a joke of a statement. Nothing of what you said has any basis in fact whatsoever. This shit didn't start with Trump, moron. I was a huge "trump supporter"? Why because I don't irrationally blame everything on him? What a joke. I was talking about those antifa clowns as well, and the black lives matter radicals, the violent ones. They are all worthless, every last one of them. The business council left because he didn't call out the nazi people "good enough" what a pathetic joke.
@opinionated Haha you got triggered as fuck, musta hit close to home lol.
@kellyanne Hell yeah I'm triggered this shit is stupid lol. His whole mindset is the retardation that we have to deal with now as a society. It does hit close to home if you are American. We have to listen to a tiny fraction of piss ants tell us retarded shit like this and pretend it's reality. I voted for the neo-nazis to march in Virginia? How ignorant or retarded do you have to be to say something like that? When did trump send neo-nazis to march on Virginia? When did he call for violence? When did Trump start calling for confederate monuments to be taken down? The ban on confederacy stuff happened under obama. "He called out the left" by doing what?! Being elected? Wtf is he talking about? "Well he's argumentive on twitter" who cares?! Lmao. Wow what a nazi! "The business council is supposed to be talking about economic growth" yes exactly! Why did they abandon the council for shunning both sides of the most moronic rally in American history? Because they are useless hacks, that's why. They don't care about 99% of the country, they want to virtue signal on a couple thousand rednecks... and it's trumps fault apparently. Staffers left him? He can't even get a full staff confirmed by the worthless congress lol. He "divided the Republican Party"? The Republican Party has always been divided, it's not a group think mechanism like the democrat party. Oh I'm triggered, the retardation is unbearable.
Are you going to sit there and pretend this has been any kind of normal presidency? Because I have been though more than I'm sure 90% of the people on this site and I can guarantee it has not. Most moronic rally in history, well I would agree it was stupid, but perhaps you should educate yourself and look back to the violence during the civil rights moment. If actual history is evaluated you would know things can get much worse. Those couple of thousand rednecks themselves say they got their motivation from Trump you can go to their websites (which I won't link here) and and see their support of Trump and read how THEY say he is empowering them. Conversely you can go to the liberal sites and see them say in no uncertain terms they are resisting the moments they see and being caused by Trump. So, you can sit there and pretend this has nothing to do with Trump call me a retard till your blue in the face but reality is whether you like it or not Trump is at the center of this. Perhaps this was always brewing under the surface but Trump has done nothing to try to cool it and has done everything to inflame it. So you can call me retarded, I will call you denying reality.
"So you can call me retarded, I will call you denying reality." I sincerely apologize for calling you retarded but you came at me with some really dumb shit bro, seriously. You're not the only one saying these things, my honest anger is not directed towards you. I'm just tired of stupid people. I liked reading the news and current events but I literally cannot stand it anymore, it's so pathetic it makes me want to puke and you just regurgitated the same lame talking points at my post that had nothing to do with trump. And then had the gall to blame me for it lol. "Are you going to sit there and pretend this has been any kind of normal presidency?" Absolutely not. It's not normal. When's the last time you saw an entire media industry, tech industry, intelligence agencies, etc go after a president like they do trump? A year long Russian collusion investigation with ZERO evidence. Every time it's brought up some democrat says "no evidence just means we need to keep looking". When's the last time guilty until proven innocent was our mantra? Never dude, never. This presidency has been a pathetic joke and it has very little to do with trump's actions. It's the insanity of the fringe that has been boiling for decades. "Most moronic rally in history, well I would agree it was stupid, but perhaps you should educate yourself... " I'm highly educated in American history bro. I didn't say the most violent I said the most moronic. The civil rights movement fought against segregation, a true evil. These moronic groups fight for nothing, they are either throwbacks to dead eras or pathetic new wave identity idiots that actually fight for modern segregation. Every last one of them is a worthless poser. A nazi poser, a confederate poser, a black panther poser, a communist revolutionary poser. And the kicker is that these morons don't even account for a percent of the population. You would never know that by watching the news. It's infuriating. "Those couple of thousand rednecks themselves say they got their motivation from Trump and and see their support of Trump and read how THEY say he is empowering them." How exactly? What did trump say or do exactly that "empowers them"? Could you name specifics? And why is it trumps fault if they perceive it that way. Did anyone blame Bernie when that nut job went out and shot at all of those republican congressmen? No because that's stupid dude, it's ignorant AF to come to a conclusion like that. Yeah, sure he was spitting Bernie rhetoric about republicans but it's not bernies fault that guy is a crazy piece of shit. Right? The double standard is disgusting and delusional. "Conversely you can go to the liberal sites and see them say in no uncertain terms they are resisting the moments they see and being caused by Trump." The left were marching on this dumb shit way before trump even ran for president. Your blame is misguided. The left is just crazy in general, especially the militant ones. "whether you like it or not Trump is at the center of this. Perhaps this was always brewing under the surface but Trump has done nothing to try to cool it and has done everything to inflame it." Trump isn't at the center of it. He's at the center because he's president? Even if he was at the center of it you can't properly articulate why. It's clear you have an irrational hatred of the guy and to be honest I don't care. Don't respond to me and tell me that my vote caused white supremacists to march on VA. I'm already pissed off with these morons, I don't need to hear that garbage on here. That's not reality, that's just ignorant bro. Cheers.
Won't be buying this till it's officially 5$ mediocre games I will be passing , I see further delays with also
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David cage, please, don't be a pussy. What's up? A scene of a child raped? C'mon, it's just a game
I think he's talking about the parallel between the robots vs humans in game, similar to the whole race/class division going about in the news these days. I assume he meant he doesn't want it to come off as preachy or something, because the last trailer definitely gave me that vibe. Is was quite cringey.
It's a shame you decided the game could not authentically represent your vision.
I hate this generation of PC.
Gamers, and people in general these days, are very "wah, wah, I don't want politics and social issues in my games" even though books, TV, movies and every other form of compelling piece of entertainment does it. So I can see why they made the change.
Books are hard though.
Games have always been more challening to me than books. I think its because I know how to read.
Then let them be misinterpreted. There is always someone who will be overly sensitive and they will always be able to convince a vocal minority to join them. But that is how progress works. Misunderstanding leads to conversation and that hopefully leads to something better. There are more than enough things going on in the world with a clear issue for anyone to be worrying about misinterpretation in video games.
I'd honestly be shocked if he doesn't have at least one scene where a female is in a vulnerable position half naked.