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Destiny 2 Runs at 2160p Checkerboard Rendering on the PS4 Pro

Thanks to a tech analysis, we learn the resolution of Destiny 2 on the PS4 Pro compared to the regular PS4. See how it stacks up

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corroios2863d ago

It still feels a dlc and not a evolution

AspiringProGenji2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

How spot on for me to find this comment after sitting for 5 min to watch my brother play this. It indeed looks like DLC. The menus, UI, and everything looks the same. What is this?

FITSniper2862d ago

Why would they change what isn't broken?

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badz1492862d ago

If Splatoon 2 can do it, so can other game

Mr Marvel2862d ago

Not really, as Splatoon 2 is not in the same class grapically.
Nintendo developers are smart and go for style over graphical fidelity as their hardware is always grossly under-powered.

I'm not taking a shot at the Switch though as I've had a heap of fun with BotW and Mario Kart 8.

Raiden2862d ago

This crazy, almost every single game that is created the sequels that follows always look the same, let's look at COD or Battlefield, don't these games look the same, some on here are calling D2 nothing more than a DLC, will if that the case then all games that have sequels should be consider the same, so, when a better technical shortcuts are available only then would you find gaming visual improved in the current generation. So just enjoy the game.

Elda2862d ago

Destiny 2 graphics are superior compared to Splatoon 2 cartoony graphics.

PeaSFor2862d ago

Splatoon,... LMAO

nice bait.

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Big_Game_Hunters2861d ago

The trolls have said this so many times they are actual starting to believe its true.

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FITSniper2862d ago

Most FPS sequels feel like they could technically be a DLC.

DrumBeat2862d ago

Can't wait to support Bungie and buy Destiny 2.

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Rimeskeem2863d ago

Destiny 2 should run at 60fps 1080p. I know they already stated the "physics are too harsh on the hardware" but seriously, a game like this is so much better at 60.

freshslicepizza2863d ago

That's why it's great they are doing this also on the PC. The game is likely going to be native 4k on XB1X but still 30fps.

Ca23lvin2862d ago

Xbox one x cpu is shit just like the pro locked at 30fps. If your interested in pc build one for 600 or lower to get 1080p 60.

LexHazard792862d ago

No Xhancements remember. Its probably gonna be dynamic 4K/30 just like PS4 Pro.

DarkZane2862d ago

No, the Xbox One X version will be checkboard 4K like that PS4 Pro and they will basically be identical. Expect the majority of third party games to be checkboard 4K on Xbox One X and look identical to ps4 pro as well.

freshslicepizza2862d ago

@DarkZane
"No, the Xbox One X version will be checkboard 4K like that PS4 Pro and they will basically be identical. Expect the majority of third party games to be checkboard 4K on Xbox One X and look identical to ps4 pro as well."

Why should we expect most titles to look identical when the regular PS4 most times had sharper images compared to the regular Xbox One?

kevnb2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

i wanted to get the pc version, but I worry about cheaters considering bungie is inexperienced at dealing with online pc games. The huge delay has turned me off as well.

steveo1234562862d ago

I really do think the x1x is being gimped here by the pro

Raiden2862d ago

@Ca23lvin

Kindly PLEASE post the link where I can purchase the equipment to build a similar mid-end to near top-end gaming PC for under £/€/$600.

I have been looking but can find anywhere, so as you appear to know please share the information with the rest of the internet.

Thank you
Lol😭😭😭 ;

PistolsAtDawn2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

It technically COULD be native 4k at 30fps, but they aren't going to put the effort into doing that with a contract with Sony. Sony would be PISSED if they paid money for the deal, then it was better on a different console. Almost certain it will be a copy and paste over. The X1 advantages will just be things like loading times, more consistent FPS, better filtering, etc.

hamburgerhill2862d ago

"I really do think the x1x is being gimped here by the pro"

How so? Wasn't Destiny 1 identical on PS4 and X1 even though PS4 was more powerful?

conanlifts2862d ago

It might not be. The deal with Sony might see it locked at the same specs as on the pro. Personally it doesn't bother me too much if this is the case. The primary concern for me is that it receives some sort of bump on X.

Ju2862d ago

No real problem even if real 4k. It won't look any different than the Pro version. Heck you can hardly see the difference between Slim and XO. One native 1080p the other dynamic. So the Xxx will hit 4k more often. And that'll be that.

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0Day2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

You clearly know nothing about internal components. The CPU is a non issue in gaming, 90% of performance is dependent on the GPU. Look at benchmarks between CPU's and you'll see a 4th gen I7 is in most cases less than a 10 fps difference from the newest gen. The only issue here is Bungies poor optimization.

2pacalypsenow2862d ago

A weak CPU can bottleneck the GPU and Ram.

Sircolby452862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

Actually 0Day you are wrong. The reason a 4th gen i7 is so close to a current gen i7 is because they are basically the same. Intel hasn't changed much since then and they are still running basically the same architecture with a few tweaks. It doesn't bottleneck because it is still a fast CPU. The Jaguar cores on the other hand are SIGNIFICANTLY slower than a 4th gen i7 CPU. Even an old 2500k is faster than Jaguar by a large margin. The performance per core on Jaguar is absolutely atrocious in comparison. So the answer is yes the CPU can bottleneck a GPU, but only if it is a crappy one which all of the console CPUs are including the One X. The One X can push resolution for days because higher resolution does not create more of a load on the CPU. Higher framerate on the other hand does.

steveo1234562862d ago

I don't know, it would seem there are more cpu intensive things going on in other games that can get above 30fps. BF1 for example?

combatcash2862d ago

@Ca23lvin
I'm not sure why you received all of the disagrees, this was confirmed by Bungie.
@0Day
Bungie confirmed this game's performance relies heavily on the CPU, and sadly these CPU's are very weak.
Xbox one X will have the same problem, with this game. It would be nice if Intel CPU's were used for the next generation, it would drive the cost up, but it would help with any bottleneck.

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Mulando2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

They really shouldn't argument with physics etc. This game has a static world and is no battlefield where the landscape can be changed and 64 players are on the same map.
I really don't get it why even destiny was so CPU intensive they couldn't handle many players on one map.
maybe it's because they don't want to spend money for extra servers.

But 60 fps is always a compromise with graphics. If you want to squeeze everything out of the GPU and have good graphics you can only go with 30fps in games like this. This is no cpu problem. If the consoles had 4ghz CPUs we still had the problem that the developer would just let it run with 30fps because you can just get more eyecandy in a scene with 30fps.

seanpitt232862d ago

It's the cpu it's not strong enough for 60fps this generation they have gone the GPU route, hopefully next gen they will balance it more. They could have a 10tf GPU in the ps4 pro but would still get 30fps because of the jaguar cpu. The o ly way they could hit 60 is if they downgrade the physics and particles but they will not do that.

steveo1234562862d ago

erm they didn't really even do that, the gpus were outdated the day they launched big time

used to be when a console launched it was at least a mid to high spec pc equivalent, not so this time round although the 1x is kind of in the right place

trainsgofast2861d ago

It will be 30/N4k on XB1X do to the OG XB1 is only 30FPS. PC will just use a large amount of power to get it up to 60/N4k. IF the engine on OG XB1 was 1080dp/60 then we all would get a 60FPS mark. The CPU in the XB1X can do N4K/60.

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MegamanXXX2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

So PC will run 4K 60fps??!!!!!!

Neonridr2863d ago

if you have the hardware required then yes..

MegaMohsi2863d ago (Edited 2863d ago )

It's already been shown running 4k/60 on PC at the Bungie event and E3

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Brave_Losers_Unite2862d ago

@Cupofjoe

Only a god PC will do 4k 144 fps on a modern game

mwjw6962862d ago

@Cupofjoe I think they said it had a cap of 60 fps. I could be wrong.

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Erik73572862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

Im doing 144fps at 1440p (2k)

Anzil2862d ago

That is not 2k. 1080p is 2k.

2pacalypsenow2862d ago

@Anzil

I guess 3 people have no idea what 2K is.

1080P is 2K resolution.

bluefox7552862d ago

Technically you're all wrong. Although 2k is sometimes used to refer to 1080p, it is not officially recognized as 2k by DCI or industry standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

darthv722862d ago

Occasionally, 1080p (Full HD or FHD) has been included into the 2K resolution definition. Although 1920x1080 could be considered as having a horizontal resolution of approximately 2,000 pixels, most media, including web content and books on video production, cinema references and definitions, define 1080p and 2K resolutions as separate definitions and not the same.

Although 1080p has the same vertical resolution as DCI 2K resolutions (1080 pixels), it has a smaller horizontal resolution below the range of 2K resolution formats.

According to official reference material, DCI and industry standards do not officially recognize 1080p as a 2K resolution in literature concerning 2K and 4K resolution

2pacalypsenow2862d ago

That's just semantics, they didn't market 1080p as 2k but using the same logic 2160p shouldn't be considered 4k either.

But because it sounds good on marketing material, they use 4k.

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LonDonE2862d ago

My i7 and new gtx 1080ti is going to DESTROY this game!! I love my consoles but man iam tired of 30fps target games.
I Would rather 1080 60, cant wait for the x! I love destiny and it's a shame they don't give us 60fps which is more important to game play over more pixels.

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Ca23lvin2862d ago

Xbox x and ps4 pro are limited cuz of CPU

MegamanXXX2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

Couldn't afford the 1080ti but I'm still enjoying my 1080🙌🏻

Father__Merrin2862d ago

no as most PCs are modest setups. looking at steam stats a gtx 1060 is the most popular gpu you wont get 4k/60 with it, looking at the gpu that will like a 980ti onwards its only like 1% of users or so

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Kribwalker2862d ago

If the pro has the power to get it to 2160 checkerboard the OneX should be native no problem. It's got an additional PS4 worth of power of the PS4 pro, if bungie can't do it then there is something wrong

gangsta_red2862d ago

Unless they gimp the x1x version due to parity.
We'll have to wait and see.

SpaceRanger2862d ago

Why would they do that?

I doubt they'd gimp the x1x just to keep parity with the x1s/x1. That just wouldn't make sense unless MS really pushed for it as to not alienate the already existing fanbase.

OMGitzThatGuy2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

@Space you skipped a page

sizeofyou2862d ago

I thought they'd already announced that the XB1X was running the same as PS4P. May be slightly higher native resolution but checkerboard 4k at 30. Sure Bungie said that a month or so ago...may be wrong...

LexHazard792862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

@Space,

And why would MS do that? And alienate the hardcore fanbase waiting to play the best version of games on the X.

UltraNova2862d ago

The sooner y'all realise that the xb1 and ps4 to an extend, will hold back both the xb1x and Pro the sooner you'll stop spewing crap like that^^^

freshslicepizza2862d ago

@SpaceRanger
"Why would they do that?"

I don't know, maybe you should tell us why the first comment to suggest that the XB1X should be native 4k got TWICE AS MANY DOWNVOTES?

"I doubt they'd gimp the x1x just to keep parity with the x1s/x1. That just wouldn't make sense unless MS really pushed for it as to not alienate the already existing fanbase."

Why would Microsoft do this when their own games have higher resolution on XB1X games than the regular XB1? Sure if we are talking about 60fps versus 30fps but we are talking about 4k here.

gangsta_red2862d ago

Lol @space...trying too hard to be naive

sizeofyou2862d ago

They have confirmed FPS. Loads of confirmations like this:
http://m.uk.ign.com/article...
Sure I read somewhere it was higher native on XB1X but still checkerboard 4k too...

steveo1234562862d ago

you know the gimpage is real

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cbuc11252862d ago

@Kribwalker...Really? So it has 20 Gigs of RAM, a 58 compute unit GPU, and a 16 core CPU? Cause that's what an entire additional PS4 would amount to. Dumbass.

How are you seriously this misled? Over the Pro, the One actually has 3.5 more Gigs of usable RAM, only 4 more compute units in the Gpu, and the same CPU with those 3 all being sped up. Stop spreading lies and acting like this damn thing is the second coming.

TankCrossing2862d ago

He doesn't mean that they literally glued the hardware together :-/

oof462862d ago

@TankCrossing: You mean they don't?!? ;)

DARK_WOLF2862d ago

Dude it has 1.8tf more than the ps4 pro.

Ps4 is 1.8 tf

Along with having 50% more total RAM and a customized FASTER cpu.

Why get so defensive his comment is true xb1x has a whole ps4 worth of power over ps4p

Kribwalker2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

The Xbox one x has 9gb of available ram that runs at 326gb/s
The PS4 Pro has 5.5 GB of ram available for games at 218gb/s
The PS4 has 5 gb of ram at 176gb/s
So the Xbox one x has 1.5gb of less available ram that is just about 40% faster then the combined PS4/pro ram. The extra speed should make up a lot of ground. It doesn't need 20gb of ram, don't know where you got that.

The GPU is 6 terra flops vs the pro and original PS4 combined 6.04 teraflops GPU

The CPU is the only thing that isn't close more with the one x having a 8 core 2.73ghz and the pro with a 8 core 2.1ghz and the OG with a 8 core 1.6ghz.

So GPU and ram are essentially a PS4 and PS4 pro combined

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Aenea2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

Facts:
- checkerboard rendering takes 50 to 55% of GPU power of rendering it natively
- the Pro can't render it at a constant 2160p in checkerboard rendering
- Xbox One X has only 40% more GPU power than the Pro

Now explain to me how the One X can do native 4k with this game no problem?

Instead of needing an extra ps4, it needs an extra Pro and even then it would need dynamic scaling..

DarkZane2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

It takes a GTX 1080 Ti which is about 12 TFLOPS for reliable 4K at 60fps. I can't believe people where delusional enough to think Xbox One X with its pathetic 6 TFLOPS could even do 4k/30fps natively.

Enjoy your checkboard 4K, the people who bought PS4 Pro will enjoy games that look and perform the same while having payed $100 less.

Pretty sure the 4K generation is only begin in 2019-2020 when Sony release the PS5 (they will win next gen too). A 12TFLOPS PS5 for $399.99 is possible because 12 TFLOPS is already possible in 2017 with a gtx 1080 ti. In 2019-2020, they will have gone through at least 3 new series of cards, with each of them completely trashing the previous one, so at this point a gtx 1080 ti and other 12 tflops cards will be nothing but ancient junk alreadyand the price will have gone down the drain.

Kribwalker2862d ago

Destiny 2 is native 1080p on the OG Xbox one, with 1.32 terra flops. MS says they designed it so games that are native 1080p should be 4k on the OneX
"The presentation states that the design goal of Xbox One X was to run native 1080p titles with a 4x resolution boost, while during our visit, Microsoft had expanded the objective, saying that it wanted both 900p and 1080p game engines to run at 2160p"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Razzer2862d ago

But not necessarily "native" 4k

yeahright22862d ago

It's just what they wish. despite what we've seen and heard and all signs pointing to major 3rd party games going the checkerboard route on both pro and 1x, they still believe the "true 4k" line. most likely it'll just end up being first party titles doing true, as in native, 4k.

Ju2862d ago (Edited 2862d ago )

The XO is as much native 1080p as the Pro is full 4k. It scales the horizontal res down to 1300something and the Pro does it from 3840 to 3084 or something. What the PS4 is over the XO the Xxx will be over the Pro. Looks the same with no drops in horizontal resolution.

At 4k this will be indistinguishable.

Anyhow. This engine is a vast improvement over Destiny 1 and it run 2160p with a rock solid 30fps on the Pro. Particle effects are out of this world this time. Environments are much complexer, animation is improved and yet it runs 4x the resolution. Well done, Bungie!

Aenea2861d ago (Edited 2861d ago )

@Krib

Yet, D2 doesn't run at native 1080p on the X1, it uses dynamic scaling, so no, it's not possible to run this at NATIVE 4k on the One X.

X1: dynamic scaling up to 1080p
PS4: native 1080p
Pro: dynamic scaling up to 2160p using CHECKERBOARD rendering
One X: always 2160p, no dynamic scaling, using CHECKERBOARD rendering

it's just flipped around, as expected, yet, not native 4k on the One X either, as expected...

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Razzer2862d ago

Nope. Just add it to the list of non-native 4k games on One X. Not like this is rare.

DrumBeat2862d ago

There's only something wrong with this comment.

Kribwalker2862d ago

If they are the same that's the only explanation. With the OG PS4 and Xbox one the CPU was faster in the Xbox which helped with frame rates (ac unity) while with the OneX there's nothing less powerful then the ps4pro so no reason for it to not be the better game

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Fishy Fingers2862d ago

Actual resolution being (can't watch the video at work)?

Seems the beta feedback I've read so far isn't exactly glowing but having very little time with the original I'm still interested in picking up the sequel (PC) if it sounds good at launch.

armchairDev2862d ago

3072x2160, checkerboarded to 3840x2160 on the horizontal scale only.

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A variety of new updates are available this month across the gaming platforms. Coming today, Retro Classics games are available to play for Xbox Game Pass members. Players who stream on the Xbox app on PC now have an additional streaming option with GeForce Now. Game Bar introduces quick settings, visual updates for Widgets in Compact Mode, and coming soon, Microsoft Edge Game Assist, an in-game browser that brings an immersive game-centric experience to Edge. And Xbox gift cards can now be redeemed for any amount via Xbox Rewards.

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darthv7212h ago

While i appreciate the gesture.... all of these retro classics have been made available everywhere else. I am hoping to see some other Activision properties make their way out of the shackles of the 5th, 6th and 7th gen. Licensing be damned... bring back the Transformers Cybertron games.

P_Bomb3h ago

Love the Cybertron games! TF games have been shit lately. Would love to see that era revisited. I even did the multiplayer!

Obscure_Observer7h ago

Metaphor on Gamepass just announced! O.o

Seriously, this is the best generation of Xbox ever!!!

We can´t catch a freaking break from awesome games arriving all the time!!!

Deathdeliverer4h ago

It’s a HELL of a game. If you like JRPGs in the family of Persona, you will be in heaven… that is until you hear the various battle music…. then you’ll be somewhere BEYOND heaven!

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Former PlayStation boss says 'stupid money' crippled the game industry

Shuhei Yoshida offers his take on the recent industry implosion and ponders whether there's light at the end of the tunnel.

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Jin_Sakai22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Greed crippled the game industry and other things I won’t go into.

DarXyde13h ago

Ironically, so did tech advancements.
New tech creates pressure to take full advantage of the power for people to feel a box is worth it. That expectation bloats team sizes (and by extension, costs) and to be more secure in a high risk-high reward project, they play it safe (which is why I think a lot of the industry is facing creative bankruptcy). Few franchises are proper exceptions because they're damn near entitled to a ROI.

But other than that? I'd say the adoption of Blu-ray in the PS3 kind of acted as the architect to some of the things some of us hate today. The decision to adopt it resulted in painfully show loading times because the drive was slow in the PS3. The result was mandating every console to have an HDD for installs, and Xbox 360 then discontinued those arcade models and every console came with an HDD. That adopted standard lead to a lot of games that were physical only to be available via download and that laid a path for digital distribution and the gradual death of physical media we're witnessing now. It was always going to be this way eventually, but it's hard to think that guaranteeing a HDD didn't lay some important groundwork. And now with crazy fast SSD storage and download speeds, it's gotten worse and now we're bloody streaming games via cloud computing.

Rage7710h ago

Really great take on how we got to this point. Will add that the weaponizing/monetizing of the "console warring" concept, accelerated/facilitated all of your points. When you take what used to be simple bantering and jabbing between different fanbases and throw money/resources at it as the most effective marketing tool, instead of improving any areas that might add longevity to your products, you only improve sales while creating a destructive environment. Which now has come full circle. Gaming media/tech sites capitalized on this as well. So we now end up in a landscape where we get less for more, nobody is held accountable (unless you are Nintendo in which case, you will always be blamed for everything including world hunger) and what you now call and parade as "greed" to defend you own greedy company is years upon years of every asshat that has paid in $$$ what these companies get away with today, but yeah that "burn" or "you got ratioed" or "fanboy" this and that was worth it huh.

ZycoFox22h ago

It's also screwing over gamers with limited budgets for PC hardware, well Nvidia is trying to at least.

Knushwood Butt21h ago

OK, but what did Shu do about this while he was working in the industry?
If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?
I'm honestly getting a bit tired of seeing this guy come out with all this stuff, week after week, yet he didn't seem to do anything about it when he was a prominent figure IN the industry.
*I got passed over for the CEO role and sidelined into an Indies CRM role, but I just sucked it up and did it for several years.* Great.

Lightning7721h ago(Edited 21h ago)

"If he felt so strongly about it, why didn't he quit sooner?"

Jim Ryan held him and down and demoted him to Indy role as you pointed out. We all wondered why Shuhei was never put in charge in the past and everyone else seemingly passing him up in high position's. Everyone getting promoted except him. He also spoke up about the LS awhile ago then folded and was actually help make Concord.

If it's not making the most money and attempt to have conversation that maximize profit they won't promote. Why? Because Shuhei was seemingly for the ppl.

Despite his 80$ comment on games.

Knushwood Butt20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

'then folded and was actually help make Concord'.
Right, so once again he just sucked it up and went against what he thought was the correct path.
He also clearly didn't turn things around for Concord.
Seriously, if he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have quit ages ago; not just suck it up for years and then bitch about it to the public AFTER he quit.

zaanan11h ago

Agree.
It’s easy to armchair QB other people’s decisions, but it’s all speculation. Maybe he loved Sony and wanted to see if things would turn around. It’s also hard to leave a place when you have been there so long. You think you have friends who will help you out, until you don’t. The corporate world really is dog eat dog. Having obligations like family also makes you do things you may not want to do in a perfect world. But this world is far from perfect, and so are we. So I will cut Shu some slack.

Lightning7719h ago

"Right, so once again he just sucked it up at went against what he thought was the correct path."

I mean yeah. He didn't have much of a choice. It was either go with what Jim wanted or get fired.

He went against LS but had to help with it anyway. Probably talked about all the bad spending that Sony was doing (and still are.) Corps don't want you to talk sense, they want to I to talk cents. That's goes for everybody.

Not sure why he didn't leave earlier he probably wanted to wait for the right opportunity to leave on a high note or leave on his terms. Much better than getting forced out.

Knushwood Butt15h ago

Yeah, and sure, leadership don't want anyone rocking the boat; they just want 'yes' people through the ranks, but Shu didn't quit and make a point; he sucked it up for months or years. Nor did he go out on a high note.
If he felt so strongly about this stuff he should have told Jim to shove it, and join xbox, but he didn't.

thorstein18h ago

At least he's talking about it and it's not just some anonymous internet person. That's why I posted his take. He was on the inside.

He knows better than most what's going on.

We live in a weird world where primary sources don't mean anything, evidence and reason hold no weight, but rumors and speculation hold the day.

Knushwood Butt15h ago

Yeah, agree in general, but pretty much everything he's said since he quit could have been covered in a 30 minute interview.
Next week:
In a new interview, Shu reveals that he knew factions was going to get canned months in advance, but was powerless to do anything about it so just sat back and kept his mouth shut (and getting a juicy salary).

SO71D14h ago

@Knushwood You don't work do you?

Knushwood Butt13h ago

I don't work for a corporation.

Outside_ofthe_Box10h ago

@SO1D

Was just going to say this. You can say this about anybody. Anyone on n4g that complains about greed but are doing nothing at their jobs to stop it... How dare you!

Knushwood Butt1h ago

@ Outside

It's not just greed though; it's flat out bad decisions and poor leadership, and Shu was one of those leaders.

Christopher8h ago

Because everyone knows you can really change the industry by quitting and being an outsider. I mean, his comments now aren't changing the industry at all. What would have been the advantage of doing it 8 years earlier?

Knushwood Butt5h ago

He didn't, and doesn't, have to be an outsider though.

And great job by him calling out all of this stuff in hindsight. 'The Embracer thing turned out to be a train wreck'. Was he predicting this as it was happening?

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Lightning7719h ago(Edited 19h ago)

As gamers we also need to make it clear what we want. Do we want fancy RT and RT
shadows, global illumination etc? Oh that's right we have to do the internet thing and brag about all those things. What we need is innovative gameplay mechanics and deeper more dynamic story telling and reactive realistic worlds and characters imo. Emphasis on Innovative gameplay mechanics. Expedition 33 was made by a tiny group of 30 ppl. Not sure what the budget was but I know it wasn't no 400m$ project or nothing crazy like that.

They join the Baldurs Gate team for being independent and releasing great game with out corporate meddling and stupidly big budget's that kills jobs and studios. If more groups get to together remain independent and create games for gamers and fans this industry would be better off in the future. Again it's about getting away from big corpos because corpos aren't gonna change, ever, they're just not. Scary to be out on your own? Yes but high risk high reward again as we've seen.

anast14h ago

I like how they talk like this is a recent phenomenon.

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