Destiny 2 Runs at 2160p Checkerboard Rendering on the PS4 Pro

Thanks to a tech analysis, we learn the resolution of Destiny 2 on the PS4 Pro compared to the regular PS4. See how it stacks up

[corroios]

It still feels a dlc and not a evolution

[AspiringProGenji]

How spot on for me to find this comment after sitting for 5 min to watch my brother play this. It indeed looks like DLC. The menus, UI, and everything looks the same. What is this?

[FITSniper]

Why would they change what isn't broken?

[badz149]

If Splatoon 2 can do it, so can other game

[Mr Marvel]

Not really, as Splatoon 2 is not in the same class grapically.
Nintendo developers are smart and go for style over graphical fidelity as their hardware is always grossly under-powered.

I'm not taking a shot at the Switch though as I've had a heap of fun with BotW and Mario Kart 8.

[yeahokwhatever]

hahaha nice one

[Raiden]

This crazy, almost every single game that is created the sequels that follows always look the same, let's look at COD or Battlefield, don't these games look the same, some on here are calling D2 nothing more than a DLC, will if that the case then all games that have sequels should be consider the same, so, when a better technical shortcuts are available only then would you find gaming visual improved in the current generation. So just enjoy the game.

[Elda]

Destiny 2 graphics are superior compared to Splatoon 2 cartoony graphics.

[PeaSFor]

Splatoon,... LMAO

nice bait.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

The trolls have said this so many times they are actual starting to believe its true.

[FITSniper]

Most FPS sequels feel like they could technically be a DLC.

[segamaniaco]

Because they are GaaS

[DrumBeat]

Can't wait to support Bungie and buy Destiny 2.

[Rimeskeem]

Destiny 2 should run at 60fps 1080p. I know they already stated the "physics are too harsh on the hardware" but seriously, a game like this is so much better at 60.

[freshslicepizza]

That's why it's great they are doing this also on the PC. The game is likely going to be native 4k on XB1X but still 30fps.

[Ca23lvin]

Xbox one x cpu is shit just like the pro locked at 30fps. If your interested in pc build one for 600 or lower to get 1080p 60.

[LexHazard79]

No Xhancements remember. Its probably gonna be dynamic 4K/30 just like PS4 Pro.

[EjWarrior]

native 4k? LOL

[DarkZane]

No, the Xbox One X version will be checkboard 4K like that PS4 Pro and they will basically be identical. Expect the majority of third party games to be checkboard 4K on Xbox One X and look identical to ps4 pro as well.

[freshslicepizza]

@DarkZane
"No, the Xbox One X version will be checkboard 4K like that PS4 Pro and they will basically be identical. Expect the majority of third party games to be checkboard 4K on Xbox One X and look identical to ps4 pro as well."

Why should we expect most titles to look identical when the regular PS4 most times had sharper images compared to the regular Xbox One?

[kevnb]

i wanted to get the pc version, but I worry about cheaters considering bungie is inexperienced at dealing with online pc games. The huge delay has turned me off as well.

[steveo123456]

I really do think the x1x is being gimped here by the pro

[Raiden]

@Ca23lvin

Kindly PLEASE post the link where I can purchase the equipment to build a similar mid-end to near top-end gaming PC for under £/€/$600.

I have been looking but can find anywhere, so as you appear to know please share the information with the rest of the internet.

Thank you
Lol😭😭😭 ;

[PistolsAtDawn]

It technically COULD be native 4k at 30fps, but they aren't going to put the effort into doing that with a contract with Sony. Sony would be PISSED if they paid money for the deal, then it was better on a different console. Almost certain it will be a copy and paste over. The X1 advantages will just be things like loading times, more consistent FPS, better filtering, etc.

[hamburgerhill]

"I really do think the x1x is being gimped here by the pro"

How so? Wasn't Destiny 1 identical on PS4 and X1 even though PS4 was more powerful?

[conanlifts]

It might not be. The deal with Sony might see it locked at the same specs as on the pro. Personally it doesn't bother me too much if this is the case. The primary concern for me is that it receives some sort of bump on X.

[Ju]

No real problem even if real 4k. It won't look any different than the Pro version. Heck you can hardly see the difference between Slim and XO. One native 1080p the other dynamic. So the Xxx will hit 4k more often. And that'll be that.

[Ca23lvin]

Main problem weak as CPU

[0Day]

You clearly know nothing about internal components. The CPU is a non issue in gaming, 90% of performance is dependent on the GPU. Look at benchmarks between CPU's and you'll see a 4th gen I7 is in most cases less than a 10 fps difference from the newest gen. The only issue here is Bungies poor optimization.

[2pacalypsenow]

A weak CPU can bottleneck the GPU and Ram.

[Sircolby45]

Actually 0Day you are wrong. The reason a 4th gen i7 is so close to a current gen i7 is because they are basically the same. Intel hasn't changed much since then and they are still running basically the same architecture with a few tweaks. It doesn't bottleneck because it is still a fast CPU. The Jaguar cores on the other hand are SIGNIFICANTLY slower than a 4th gen i7 CPU. Even an old 2500k is faster than Jaguar by a large margin. The performance per core on Jaguar is absolutely atrocious in comparison. So the answer is yes the CPU can bottleneck a GPU, but only if it is a crappy one which all of the console CPUs are including the One X. The One X can push resolution for days because higher resolution does not create more of a load on the CPU. Higher framerate on the other hand does.

[steveo123456]

I don't know, it would seem there are more cpu intensive things going on in other games that can get above 30fps. BF1 for example?

[combatcash]

@Ca23lvin
I'm not sure why you received all of the disagrees, this was confirmed by Bungie.
@0Day
Bungie confirmed this game's performance relies heavily on the CPU, and sadly these CPU's are very weak.
Xbox one X will have the same problem, with this game. It would be nice if Intel CPU's were used for the next generation, it would drive the cost up, but it would help with any bottleneck.

[Mulando]

They really shouldn't argument with physics etc. This game has a static world and is no battlefield where the landscape can be changed and 64 players are on the same map.
I really don't get it why even destiny was so CPU intensive they couldn't handle many players on one map.
maybe it's because they don't want to spend money for extra servers.

But 60 fps is always a compromise with graphics. If you want to squeeze everything out of the GPU and have good graphics you can only go with 30fps in games like this. This is no cpu problem. If the consoles had 4ghz CPUs we still had the problem that the developer would just let it run with 30fps because you can just get more eyecandy in a scene with 30fps.

[seanpitt23]

It's the cpu it's not strong enough for 60fps this generation they have gone the GPU route, hopefully next gen they will balance it more. They could have a 10tf GPU in the ps4 pro but would still get 30fps because of the jaguar cpu. The o ly way they could hit 60 is if they downgrade the physics and particles but they will not do that.

[steveo123456]

erm they didn't really even do that, the gpus were outdated the day they launched big time

used to be when a console launched it was at least a mid to high spec pc equivalent, not so this time round although the 1x is kind of in the right place

[trainsgofast]

It will be 30/N4k on XB1X do to the OG XB1 is only 30FPS. PC will just use a large amount of power to get it up to 60/N4k. IF the engine on OG XB1 was 1080dp/60 then we all would get a 60FPS mark. The CPU in the XB1X can do N4K/60.

[MegamanXXX]

So PC will run 4K 60fps??!!!!!!

[Neonridr]

if you have the hardware required then yes..

[MegaMohsi]

It's already been shown running 4k/60 on PC at the Bungie event and E3

[MegamanXXX]

Awesome

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

@Cupofjoe

Only a god PC will do 4k 144 fps on a modern game

[mwjw696]

@Cupofjoe I think they said it had a cap of 60 fps. I could be wrong.

[Erik7357]

Im doing 144fps at 1440p (2k)

[LexHazard79]

you gotta link? jk..haha

[Anzil]

That is not 2k. 1080p is 2k.

[2pacalypsenow]

@Anzil

I guess 3 people have no idea what 2K is.

1080P is 2K resolution.

[bluefox755]

Technically you're all wrong. Although 2k is sometimes used to refer to 1080p, it is not officially recognized as 2k by DCI or industry standards.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

[darthv72]

Occasionally, 1080p (Full HD or FHD) has been included into the 2K resolution definition. Although 1920x1080 could be considered as having a horizontal resolution of approximately 2,000 pixels, most media, including web content and books on video production, cinema references and definitions, define 1080p and 2K resolutions as separate definitions and not the same.

Although 1080p has the same vertical resolution as DCI 2K resolutions (1080 pixels), it has a smaller horizontal resolution below the range of 2K resolution formats.

According to official reference material, DCI and industry standards do not officially recognize 1080p as a 2K resolution in literature concerning 2K and 4K resolution

[2pacalypsenow]

That's just semantics, they didn't market 1080p as 2k but using the same logic 2160p shouldn't be considered 4k either.

But because it sounds good on marketing material, they use 4k.

[LonDonE]

My i7 and new gtx 1080ti is going to DESTROY this game!! I love my consoles but man iam tired of 30fps target games.
I Would rather 1080 60, cant wait for the x! I love destiny and it's a shame they don't give us 60fps which is more important to game play over more pixels.

[Ca23lvin]

Xbox x and ps4 pro are limited cuz of CPU

[MegamanXXX]

Couldn't afford the 1080ti but I'm still enjoying my 1080🙌🏻

[Father__Merrin]

no as most PCs are modest setups. looking at steam stats a gtx 1060 is the most popular gpu you wont get 4k/60 with it, looking at the gpu that will like a 980ti onwards its only like 1% of users or so

[Kribwalker]

If the pro has the power to get it to 2160 checkerboard the OneX should be native no problem. It's got an additional PS4 worth of power of the PS4 pro, if bungie can't do it then there is something wrong

[gangsta_red]

Unless they gimp the x1x version due to parity.
We'll have to wait and see.

[SpaceRanger]

Why would they do that?

I doubt they'd gimp the x1x just to keep parity with the x1s/x1. That just wouldn't make sense unless MS really pushed for it as to not alienate the already existing fanbase.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

@Space you skipped a page

[sizeofyou]

I thought they'd already announced that the XB1X was running the same as PS4P. May be slightly higher native resolution but checkerboard 4k at 30. Sure Bungie said that a month or so ago...may be wrong...

[LexHazard79]

@Space,

And why would MS do that? And alienate the hardcore fanbase waiting to play the best version of games on the X.

[UltraNova]

The sooner y'all realise that the xb1 and ps4 to an extend, will hold back both the xb1x and Pro the sooner you'll stop spewing crap like that^^^

[freshslicepizza]

@SpaceRanger
"Why would they do that?"

I don't know, maybe you should tell us why the first comment to suggest that the XB1X should be native 4k got TWICE AS MANY DOWNVOTES?

"I doubt they'd gimp the x1x just to keep parity with the x1s/x1. That just wouldn't make sense unless MS really pushed for it as to not alienate the already existing fanbase."

Why would Microsoft do this when their own games have higher resolution on XB1X games than the regular XB1? Sure if we are talking about 60fps versus 30fps but we are talking about 4k here.

[gangsta_red]

Lol @space...trying too hard to be naive

[sizeofyou]

They have confirmed FPS. Loads of confirmations like this:
http://m.uk.ign.com/article...
Sure I read somewhere it was higher native on XB1X but still checkerboard 4k too...

[steveo123456]

you know the gimpage is real

[cbuc1125]

@Kribwalker...Really? So it has 20 Gigs of RAM, a 58 compute unit GPU, and a 16 core CPU? Cause that's what an entire additional PS4 would amount to. Dumbass.

How are you seriously this misled? Over the Pro, the One actually has 3.5 more Gigs of usable RAM, only 4 more compute units in the Gpu, and the same CPU with those 3 all being sped up. Stop spreading lies and acting like this damn thing is the second coming.

[TankCrossing]

He doesn't mean that they literally glued the hardware together :-/

[oof46]

@TankCrossing: You mean they don't?!? ;)

[DARK_WOLF]

Dude it has 1.8tf more than the ps4 pro.

Ps4 is 1.8 tf

Along with having 50% more total RAM and a customized FASTER cpu.

Why get so defensive his comment is true xb1x has a whole ps4 worth of power over ps4p

[Kribwalker]

The Xbox one x has 9gb of available ram that runs at 326gb/s
The PS4 Pro has 5.5 GB of ram available for games at 218gb/s
The PS4 has 5 gb of ram at 176gb/s
So the Xbox one x has 1.5gb of less available ram that is just about 40% faster then the combined PS4/pro ram. The extra speed should make up a lot of ground. It doesn't need 20gb of ram, don't know where you got that.

The GPU is 6 terra flops vs the pro and original PS4 combined 6.04 teraflops GPU

The CPU is the only thing that isn't close more with the one x having a 8 core 2.73ghz and the pro with a 8 core 2.1ghz and the OG with a 8 core 1.6ghz.

So GPU and ram are essentially a PS4 and PS4 pro combined

[Aenea]

Facts:
- checkerboard rendering takes 50 to 55% of GPU power of rendering it natively
- the Pro can't render it at a constant 2160p in checkerboard rendering
- Xbox One X has only 40% more GPU power than the Pro

Now explain to me how the One X can do native 4k with this game no problem?

Instead of needing an extra ps4, it needs an extra Pro and even then it would need dynamic scaling..

[DarkZane]

It takes a GTX 1080 Ti which is about 12 TFLOPS for reliable 4K at 60fps. I can't believe people where delusional enough to think Xbox One X with its pathetic 6 TFLOPS could even do 4k/30fps natively.

Enjoy your checkboard 4K, the people who bought PS4 Pro will enjoy games that look and perform the same while having payed $100 less.

Pretty sure the 4K generation is only begin in 2019-2020 when Sony release the PS5 (they will win next gen too). A 12TFLOPS PS5 for $399.99 is possible because 12 TFLOPS is already possible in 2017 with a gtx 1080 ti. In 2019-2020, they will have gone through at least 3 new series of cards, with each of them completely trashing the previous one, so at this point a gtx 1080 ti and other 12 tflops cards will be nothing but ancient junk alreadyand the price will have gone down the drain.

[Kribwalker]

Destiny 2 is native 1080p on the OG Xbox one, with 1.32 terra flops. MS says they designed it so games that are native 1080p should be 4k on the OneX
"The presentation states that the design goal of Xbox One X was to run native 1080p titles with a 4x resolution boost, while during our visit, Microsoft had expanded the objective, saying that it wanted both 900p and 1080p game engines to run at 2160p"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[Razzer]

But not necessarily "native" 4k

[yeahright2]

It's just what they wish. despite what we've seen and heard and all signs pointing to major 3rd party games going the checkerboard route on both pro and 1x, they still believe the "true 4k" line. most likely it'll just end up being first party titles doing true, as in native, 4k.

[Ju]

The XO is as much native 1080p as the Pro is full 4k. It scales the horizontal res down to 1300something and the Pro does it from 3840 to 3084 or something. What the PS4 is over the XO the Xxx will be over the Pro. Looks the same with no drops in horizontal resolution.

At 4k this will be indistinguishable.

Anyhow. This engine is a vast improvement over Destiny 1 and it run 2160p with a rock solid 30fps on the Pro. Particle effects are out of this world this time. Environments are much complexer, animation is improved and yet it runs 4x the resolution. Well done, Bungie!

[Aenea]

@Krib

Yet, D2 doesn't run at native 1080p on the X1, it uses dynamic scaling, so no, it's not possible to run this at NATIVE 4k on the One X.

X1: dynamic scaling up to 1080p
PS4: native 1080p
Pro: dynamic scaling up to 2160p using CHECKERBOARD rendering
One X: always 2160p, no dynamic scaling, using CHECKERBOARD rendering

it's just flipped around, as expected, yet, not native 4k on the One X either, as expected...

[Razzer]

Nope. Just add it to the list of non-native 4k games on One X. Not like this is rare.

[DrumBeat]

There's only something wrong with this comment.

[shinrock]

Parity maybe?

[Kribwalker]

If they are the same that's the only explanation. With the OG PS4 and Xbox one the CPU was faster in the Xbox which helped with frame rates (ac unity) while with the OneX there's nothing less powerful then the ps4pro so no reason for it to not be the better game

[Fishy Fingers]

Actual resolution being (can't watch the video at work)?

Seems the beta feedback I've read so far isn't exactly glowing but having very little time with the original I'm still interested in picking up the sequel (PC) if it sounds good at launch.

[armchairDev]

3072x2160, checkerboarded to 3840x2160 on the horizontal scale only.

[mogwaii]

And the fact that it wont even run at 60fps on the one x is pathetic!

[Fishy Fingers]

Parity requirements (frame rate) with the OG systems will always be the upgrades Achilles heel. Why I have no interest in buying either. I'd rather they split the userbase.

[timotim]

Microsoft already came out and called BS on that. There is no requirement to have it run at the same frames.

[Fishy Fingers]

Link?

Even so, I don't see how that's relevant, even if MS don't enforce it doesn't mean Bungie/Activision aren't. It's their choice, not MSs.
I can't see anyone opting for 4K 30fps over a slightly lower (upscaled) resolution at 60fps. Only logical reason is to not upset the OG system owners when it comes to competitive gameplay situations (parity).

[EddieT]

It's not down to parity. The games engine is CPU bound across all consoles and none of them are capable of more than 30fps no matter what the GPU is capable of.

[jaycptza]

Actually the exact same CPU with slight up clock is to blame, they already said the physics are all CPU bound, blame the developers or the engine not SONY, you have no proof to make claims like that. @fishyfingers

[Trez1234]

Same cpu. It should have better resolution than the pro but they'd have to lower the resolution considerably to be able to achieve 60fps and also parity with the Og systems like Fishy@ said.

[mahmoods26]

No it's checkerboard 4k with dynamic scaling.

[EddieT]

1344x1080 on Xbox One

[armchairDev]

Why did you get disagrees, when that's the actual resolution of the X1? It's dynamic, and scales to native 1080p in less demanding scenes, but you're still correct.

[_LarZen_]

I came to read and get entertained by gamers trying to write about technical performance in the commenting section. Was not disappointed :D :D LOL!!

[djplonker]

Watch out everyone we have a badass anarchist with a lulzsec avatar.....

[_LarZen_]

lulz

[S_kicKer]

Played the beta on a vanilla ps4, wasn't impressed. I doubt very much playing it in 4k/checkerboard would make me change my opinion.

[Mr Marvel]

Nice!

[0Day]

And 30fps. 🤢 Playing beta on the pro, but picking up for PC.

[Nesflix]

Underwhelming. I stopped playing Destiny just before Rise of Iron. Apparently it wasn't long enough to miss the game. Destiny 2 feels EXACTLY the same and it bored me 10 minutes into the Beta.

[Yohshida]

Make it 1080 p and give us 60FPS I stead. They are so FREAKING lazy over at bungie its insane. Aint gonna buy Destiny 1.5

[armchairDev]

This has nothing to do with being lazy and everything to do with parity in cross-platform multiplayer between the two different ps4 versions and the two different xboxes.

[Yohshida]

Star Wars Battlefront runs 60fps on both older consoles, the game is waaaaay more demanding. Literally 0 excuse to not go this route.

[armchairDev]

Battlefront runs at a lower resolution on both platforms AND it's a different engine. Can't quite compare it like that.

[Yohshida]

Thats what im saying, lower the Resolution and go for FPS. Yes its the frostbite engine, known to be resources heavy.

[GameHead85]

So when zoomed, whatever you're looking at is like, blurred?

PS4 and PS4 Pro version look the same, to me anyway.

[armchairDev]

Not blurred. Slightly less sharp than native 4k.

[Ju]

Slightly is a relative term. I love the more subtle details you don't really notice until you play the 1080p version. But looks great, regardless

[dsammy04]

Funny every call of duty feels like DLC especially with how long they use the same engine every game from 2009 to 2016 could've been a map pack if you ask me

Every sport game feels like DLC too just a new roster with something slightly being changed in gameplay. With a new engine every 3 to 4 years

So does every fighting game new fighters and sometimes better graphics Dragonball Xenoverse comes to mind.

My point is what are people asking for? The point of a new game is that it provides a new full fledge story (which I hope destiny 2 does) with improvements that they learned from the last game. Uncharted 1 -3 come to mind as a PS3/4 owner what made those games great is a new story with better game play then the last one. And me as a consumer is the basis for all I need.

[S2Killinit]

Noice

[vastolorde666]

Bungie are straight up liars and the truth will be revealed after release.......

6 players for raid and 12 max for pvp
lesser enemies have 2 attacks shooting and hitting
Raid bosses have 3 attacks a summon, boomer and stomp
atheon ( boomer, time teleport and stomp)
crota ( oversoul, boomer and sword slash oryx and archon prime all have 3 attacks compared to bf and other shooters bungie is being lazy..1080p 60fps for pro and one x would have been a breath....older consoles could have pushed for 720p or 900p 60fps......the graphic fidelity wouldnt hve suffered that much.........
Stay tuned after release for a ps4 pro and xbox one x pc build test run

[jokerisalive]

Nice. Looking forward to playing this on my PS4 Pro.

[kevnb]

it looks quite a bit better than destiny 1 on my pro, i wish they could get 60 fps though.

[CoryHG]

I just wanted my beta code i signed up for.

[BenRC01]

Whatever... zzzz.... looks amazing and plays brilliant. Im so happy. Don't give a **** what anyone else thinks.

[steveo123456]

Oh dear

[windblowsagain]

First game bored me, the actual beta was enough.

[Aenea]

Wait! You played the beta of Destiny 1 and decided it was enough 'cos it bored you? Seriously?

[Elda]

If that's how it's running on the Beta I have to say the game looks great on my Pro,buying this day one.

[FITSniper]

Game looks great regardless.

[Tedakin]

I bet they're not contractually allowed to say what it runs at on Xb1x

[armchairDev]

Lol, do you really believe that nonsense?

[Tedakin]

I'm trolling.... but I don't think it's an impossibility. If it runs better on XboneX I'm sure Sony doesn't want that out.

[armchairDev]

I'm sure everyone with a brain will guess that it runs better on the Xbox One X.

[Sevir]

So, True 4k as per Anthem and Assassin's Creed: Origins on XOX?

Jokes aside I expected this to be honest given how closely both COD and Destiny are tied to Sony. They'd use the PS4 Pro more technically given that Cerny has been consulted to help on game engines. Where most other Devs simply uses Brute rendering to push game engines to 1440p, their systems seemed to have been overhauled with some new processes. I'm loving the new particle system they have in play especially on that they've let go of the PS3 and XBOX 360 generation. The game really looks great. And the Cabal move differently

[shoestring]

Can't read up articles on here in late September and early December on the butthurt how Destiny 2 has 90% of the sales on PS4 regardless of resolution for each platform....just like Destiny 1

[TheOttomatic91]

Does this mean it will run at 8K on the XB1X

[CoryHG]

Destiny 2 feels like a nerfed destiny 1 with a coat of paint. It truly is an expansion pack, but i guess since it's an entirely new story, it is considered a sequel. I love destiny 1, but i hate the grenade launcher and the auto rifles. I can't find anything decent to use.

[CoryHG]

Also, since this is a "PS4 First" title with time-exclusive content, could this limit xbox one x 4K abilities since it is clearly getting ported over?