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PC gamer market in 'tatters', says Molyneux

Molyneux told VideoGamer.com: "If you look at the gamer market on PC, I'll be quite honest with you, it's in tatters. There aren't that many releases on PC. There are some high points like Crysis and what Blizzard is doing, but other than that you are restricted to The Sims and World of Warcraft, they seem to be dominating the PC side."

Molyneux was speaking on the subject of restrictions put in place in recent high profile PC games, like Spore, that limit the number of PCs the title can be authorised on. Currently EA has set that limit to three, although it has announced it intends to increase that amount in the future.

"I don't think three (Spore PC authorisations per game) sounds that bad. I'd prefer it not to be there but if it is going to be there then I think three is OK, but I can understand people being very upset. Personally I hate any copy protection. I hate typing in that number. I loathe it as a gamer. It just makes me feel insulted. And I always lose the blasted manual anyway. So if we can get away from that password protected side which is a waste of time then that would be great."

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Charmers3791d ago (Edited 3791d ago )

I really think it is time to bring in a new law that goes like this "Any console developer that makes any statements on a market they know nothng about should have a console ceremoniously shoved where the sun doesn't shine".

Peter there is a reason why your games don't sell on the PC, it's because they are CRAP. He even acknowledged himself what a steaming pile Black and White was so does that mean I can get a refund for what I spent on the first black and white ?

I won't even say much on Fable a game that I will confess I pirated to try it out (and damn glad I did). I got as far as the quest to get a "haircut" (I mean come on a hair cutting quest) and thought sod this for a game of soldiers. Total amount of gameplay I got out of it was 30 minutes.

As for his assertion that there aren't many releases on the PC !!!! Erm did he take a look at Octobers schedule by any chance ? A total of 22 games will be released in the MONTH of October :-

SACRED 2 – Fallen Angel - aRPG - October 02, 2008
Brothers in Arms: Hell's Highway - FPS - October 07, 2008
Everlight: Power to the Elves - Adventure - October 07, 2008
Exodus from the Earth - FPS - October 07, 2008
The Guild 2: Venice - Online RPG - October 07, 2008
X3: Terran Conflict - Space Sim - October 10, 2008
FIFA 09 - Sport - October 01, 2008
Saint's Row 2 - GTA-like - October 14, 2008
Rhiannon: Curse of the Four Branches - Adventure - October 15, 2008
Shaun White Snowboarding - Radical Sports - October 16, 2008
Pro Evolution Soccer - Sports - October 17, 2008
WWII Battle Tanks: T-34 vs. Tiger - Tank Sim - October 17, 2008
NBA 2K9 - Sports - October 20, 2008
NHL 09 - Sports - October 20, 2008
Bully: Scholarship Edition - GTA & Skool Daze-like - October 20, 2008
Europa Universalis III Complete - TBS - October 20, 2008
Dead Space - TPS - October 20, 2008
EverQuest: Seeds of Destruction - MMORPG - October 21, 2008
A Vampyre Story - Adventure - October 21, 2008
Far Cry 2 - FPS - October 21, 2008
Fallout 3 - RPG - October 28, 2008
Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 - RTS - October 28, 2008

Yeah Peter it really does look like the PC market is in tatters !!!! NOT

Plughead3791d ago

...what Molyneux thinks about the fact (yes, fact) that, overall, the fact the PC has the most games released for it every single year. You can check the figures - in terms of grand totals, which is what Molyneux is talking about - the PC has the most and it also has the most over the Christmas period.

Molyneux should stick to over-hyping his games before the inevitable backlash as most of the features are discovered to be pure window dressing and absolutely irrelevant to the main game.

Charmers3791d ago

Exactly Plughead the main problem with the PC is there are TOO many games. Just looking at October there are at least EIGHT games I want :-

Sacred 2
X3
Saints Row 2
Bully
Deadspace
Farcry 2
Fallout 3
Command And Conquer - Red Alert 3

Now unfortunately I can only afford at most to get three of them. So I will probably just get Farcry2, Fallout 3 and either bully or red alert 3 (it depends on what EA does with the drm). The rest I will end up forgetting about and may get them later when they appear at a cheaper price.

Now this is just for OCTOBER, the next month I would guesstimate there will be at least 30 new games released in that month and probably climbing to 40 - 50 in December. So please someone explain how Molyneux can justify the fact there aren't many releases on the PC !!!!! it's a load of fud and he is just saying it to keep his paymasters happy.

bouncybullet3791d ago

He's talking about exclusive PC games.
The games that every console owner wishes was on consoles.

(Sims, Crysis, WoW, Spore.)

Almost every game on that list is on a console except Rhiannon..
(PC releases, Not MultiPlatform Releases.)

I love how everyone almost purposely takes everything this guy says the complete opposite way.

Just so they can b*tch.

Harry1903791d ago

to say so when devs sell less game due to piracy. That's one argument. What good is it for them to make a game on a system if the don't get the rewards? Simply put, some genres on PC don't sell that well. You may have a big market for FPS and RTS and MMOs but that's just about it.
Piracy is a big big issue.

Charmers3791d ago

Did he specifically say PC exclusives ? no he didn't there is a very valid reason why there are few PC exclusives and it has sod all to do with the "market being in tatters". MS poors millions in keeping games exclusive to their console and preventing them being released on any other platform, Sony poured millions into buying developers to keep games exclusive to their console.

If a developer makes a PC exclusive game there is no organisation to ensure that the game stays exclusive, there is no organisation to pay the developer off or swallow it up and ensure they only release the game on the PC. In short developers are free to come and go as they please. To claim the market is in tatters because there are no exclusives shows a very fundamental misunderstanding of the PC market. Why on earth would a developer ignore the 50 million console userbase ? when there clearly is nothing keeping them from developing the game for consoles either. Oh and by the way I counted at least 9 PC exclusives in that October release they are :-

Sacred 2
Everlight: Power to the Elves
The Guild 2: Venice
X3: Terran Conflict
Rhiannon: Curse of the Four Branches
WWII Battle Tanks: T-34 vs. Tiger
Europa Universalis III Complete
EverQuest: Seeds of Destruction
A Vampyre Story

Yep 9 exclusives for you right there in the month of October alone, tell me does the xbox 360 have 9 exclusives just for October ? Does the PS3 have 9 exclusives for October ? Now fair enough those exclusives may not be your cup of tea but there is a reason why they are still exclusives and only available on the PC format.

Snukadaman_3791d ago

I agree with you.....pc gaming is dying because of piracy...most people that complain about it have some games downloaded on their computers, im sure and will complain about it...but pc gaming is not the only victim of piracy....the ds and the psp are all selling above on hardware sales...yet have quite low software sales...this cant be good for our hobby...something has to give.

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Killjoy30003791d ago

It seems like he's making such a comment to ward off any PC version in the works. He's just slowly approaching the announcements... Hopefully, this isn't the case.

Charmers3791d ago

I can't say I will lose any sleep over Fable 2 not coming to the PC. I was incredibly unimpressed by the first one. Infact I stopped being impressed with Peter's stuff after Black and White, I bought that on the basis of all the hype and after that I vowed never to buy one of his games before I had the opportunity to try them out. It is a policy that has served me well and saved me a lot of money.

If Peter ever produces a game worth playing I am sure the PC community will reward him handsomely with excellent sales, just like the do with Crysis, Witcher, Stalker, Half Life 2, GTA and Command and Conquer. Till Peter does that he should shut up talking about a market he no longer has any interest in or understands.

Killjoy30003791d ago

Well, I thouroghly enjoyed the first Fable. That was the first game to me that felt next-gen in last gen before I got Hitman Blood Money. It just gave me the feeling that the envioronment was living and breathing, and that the inhabitants of this world were real and human. I mena, taking in the beautiful envioronments sporting amazing visuals, combined with some of the most melodycal music ever concieved in a video game (in my point of view) it just seemed magical.

Although the experience was over rather quickly, I had a good time. The only thing that severely let me down was the lack of replayability in the sense that being good or evil isn't much different from one another. And I just love the choice of morality in games. That's the only thing that looks unpromising in Fable 2. Morality seems like a much more ignored component of the game. It seems more like adventure and and co-op was the primary focus.

Well, if Fable 2 ever comes out on PC, I'll be sure to pick it up.

Pixel_Addict3791d ago (Edited 3791d ago )

If I had the money I still would be. I built my own computer about 2 years ago and it's just about obsolete. It ran F.E.A.R. very well even at high resolutions, but games like Crysis forget about it.

To be more precis, the PC market is actually shrinking for 'hardcore' FPS gaming. The casual market; Sims, World of Warcraft, and RTS games in general should still do very well. This is due to the fact that those games do not need constant PC upgrades. That unfortunatly is not the case for FPS. If you want the lastest graphics on the PC, well those graphical improvements are accomplished via HARDWARE, where as on consoles improvement in graphics are accomplished with better SOFTWARE and programming. This constant need to update your hardware for PC to remain relevant is time consuming and expensive. Those PC gamers who've held out on buying a next gen console have done so mainly because of their preference for mouse/keyboard over a gamepad. That barrier is slowly eroding.

For example, I've been a PC FPS gamer since the early 90's thanks to games like Doom 1 and 2, Duke Nukem, Blood, Quake, you know the rest. I stayed away from the console FPS because I didn't care for the controls, I just wasn't use to them. That changed once I played Halo. That game, as typical as it was, proved to me 1st person shooters can be done, and done well on consoles.

I have since bought a PS3 and my experience in FPS on the PC have translated well with COD4. I believe once the fear PC gamers have about control issues subsides there will be a significant exodus from to PC market to the console platform.

Charmers3791d ago

I don't know what you did wrong then because my two year old Quad + 8800gts can play all games today better than the consoles. I can even get Crysis running at 1440 x 900 on high settings with no problems. You seem to be quite happy to play your games at 1280 x 720 (the res of nearly all console games) so are you telling me your 2 year old PC can't even manage Crysis at that res !!!!!! With the latest Nvidia drivers I can play Crysis Warhead at 1280 x 720 on enthusiast settings.

I too bought a console this year because I didn't believe GTA 4 was coming out for the PC (yeah I know what a sucker). I found the experience frustrating, limiting and just not fun. I have since got rid of the console it was just taking up space in the cupboard. The joypad is an inferior device for the kind of games I enjoy playing most PC gamers know that and I can't see them running off to grab a joypad anytime soon.

The PC will only be in trouble if the consoles come up with a better control scheme and I personally can't see that happening anytime soon. I will be sticking with PC gaming because it is the only format that offers me gaming the way I want to game. Morons like Peter and yes he is a moron for claiming there are few PC game releases (22 this month sounds like a few doesn't it !!!!) can spout as much FUD as they like. They clearly don't understand the PC market and I am not going to lose any sleep because the games they are producing are of no interest to me anyway.

Pixel_Addict3791d ago (Edited 3791d ago )

Like I said I built my old PC 2 years ago. The 7800 GTX was standard at the time. I didn't want to spend over a 1,000 dollars on my PC, and for that time my build played everything I threw at it. Not anymore. Again, you can spend 1,000+ and buy a PC that comes with PC problems or you can just get a console and let the developers worry about improving graphics instead of just pushing consumers to buy MORE and more hardware. Look I don't think FPS are going to disappear completely, but if developers for FPS games on the PC continue to push hardware above software standards, the cost will outpace the demand.

... and don't get me started on the nightmare Vista has been. I had to upgrade my RAM to keep the same performance I had with XP.

PC = Hardware evolution = buy more hardware (ie graphics cards)
Console = software evolution = dev's work harder to push hardware performance

I'd rather console developers squeeze as much performace from the PS3 and 360, than PC developers squeeze my wallet every other year with upgrades.

solar3791d ago

i built a PC and it lasted me from 2003 to 2007 with only 1 upgrade in a video card that someone else bought me because my old one was fried. if you build ur PC right the first time you wouldnt have a problem gaming for years to come.

i dont agree with Peter at all. im surprised he didnt mention Valve as a staple in the PC community that has no problems letting developers use Steam and their anti piracy. Dead Space, L4D, Fallout 3, and Far Cry 2 im getting all for PC. i like gaming on a superior platform than consoles.