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Xbox One X Specs Were A Result of Software, Ensured It’s Future Proof – Microsoft Exec

Xbox One X has "a lot of longevity", according to Microsoft.

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XiNatsuDragnel2489d ago

For consoles yes, but PC space that's laughable because every year PC gets better.

Golden_Mud2489d ago (Edited 2489d ago )

It seems that you didn't understand well what they meant. Yes, a PC has unlimited power, but a said optimization is not what a PC got (for the extreme variation that exists). Optimization is important, it's why a game like Uncharted and Ryse look like they are on-par with a regular PC game.

This is also why people are excited for Star Citizen, because it truly is something technologically marvellous and boosts all PCs nearly to their limit.

XiNatsuDragnel2489d ago

Dude for consoles this is future proof but PC no in a couple of years this thing is going to be irrelevant

morganfell2488d ago

No console is future proof. Generation proof? Maybe, but not future proof. It is why we have console generations. If it is future proof it will be the last Xbox.

Oh wait...

BigWan782488d ago

Microsoft is future proofing on the "Software" end of the spectrum...
Microsoft continues to write code that improves the infrastructure of Xbox Games...

Microsoft is basically trying to do is this. No matter what Architecture they go to or land on, any and all previous games purchased will just work on it.

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morganfell2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

@Crotaaa,

No thanks. It is the 21st century. I do not believe in pompous, cruel, sadistic, fairy tale, supposed superior beings that torture their own creations for self glory.

It is better to disprove a statement with which you do not agree rather than resorting to personal attacks or fables. And congratulations on learning your first curse word. It really proves your maturity. Good job!

indysurfn2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

Every 7-10 years PC motherboard form factors change. Making them not compatible with the newer CPU's and Video cards out there. Not to mention IO interfaces that the video card are physically compatible with. They do not even fit the old cases most of the time. Not to mention the memory supported by mother boards. So even saying all PC's can be infinitely upgraded is not close to correct. You most still buy the newer kind of PC.

Don't believe me? Grab your old PC harddrive (EIDE) with the original doom on it, and try to install your harddrive in a newer PC. I'm waiting. having trouble? Try installing your OLD graphics card from that OLD pc into a newer one. Will not fit huh? because it is no longer compatible. While your at it try that old CPU. NO?
Lets not get into those old creative lab sound sequencer cards.

Skull5212488d ago

The awesome design of the XBOX insures it'll compete well with PS5 even though it doesn't need to. Probably will see an 8TF PS5 and the next gen XBox will dominate it at 14-16 TF.

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Ju2488d ago

That's the thing. A PS5 doesn't necessarily be compatible with the PS4, even though I fully expect it to run PS4 (Pro) games. But it could offer exclusive VR games or might allow disks of the size bigger than BD. I'm not so worried about the 8 Tf, but hope it'll be closed to 10 or 12...even if t takes a year longer. And hopefully introduces a new CPU core, even if it breaks PS4 compatibility. 60fps should be a main goal.

With that said, a mid gen can only go so far. And now you have a $500 which will comfortably be beaten by the "next gen". So, you have a price disadvantage and sooner or later the tech disadvantage again.

zerocarnage2488d ago

Even pc doesn't have unlimited power.

There is only so much a motherboard can take on board untill you get to the point and say (hold on I now need a new motherboard), because this is to powerful for my current motherboard. Then Once you get to the very best motherboard everything that is out, if you have the very best on board your best of the best motherboard your either awaiting for new better options to get released or end up waiting for a new motherboard, an endless circle of swapping and waiting, pretty much like consoles.

It's true pc is more advanced, but even there best pc's have trouble playing the best and latest games at times. Like you mentioned optimization isn't a factor on pc and I would rather have that in place on a console or platform of my choosing.

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badz1492487d ago

@Skull521

"The awesome design of the XBOX insures it'll compete well with PS5 even though it doesn't need to. Probably will see an 8TF PS5 and the next gen XBox will dominate it at 14-16 TF"

hahahahaha. the Pro is 4.2TF and you're expecting the PS5 to be just at 8TF? do you think Sony is as stupid as your comment? and of course the xbonex doesn't need to compete with the PS5 because it simply can't! that's exactly the mentality at Redmond right now, they stopped announcing sale numbers. why bother announcing it at all if it's THAT embarrassing, right? there is simply no competition.

the xbonex is not future proof. no single piece of hardware is. it might be able to keep up for a couple more years - no longer than a standard console cycle, and then it will be left in the dust! sure they can make it play the latest games several years from now because it's using the Windows kernel but it will be at a lower settings. but Xboners care so much about POWER, why would you guys still stick with the weakass xbonex several years down the road when the more powerful PS5 and PC are around, right? or are you saying once again, MS don't know what the fans want?

rainslacker2487d ago

This was MS definition of future proof when they released the X1 back in 2013

“Being built for the future is one of the principles that we had when we built the Xbox One. We want to build a system that preserved the best of console gaming, so that developers can write to the metal, they can continue to optimize, they can continue to build better looking games over time and also have this part of the system reserved for the future.”

No opinion myself, just thought I'd throw it in there for those discussing it.

morganfell2487d ago

Crotaaa,

No. Unlike you I do not take orders from non-existent beings whether they are some adolescent on the internet or a fairy tale invented by people afraid of the dark...and science.

Why are you here? You should be on your knees groveling through a hymn to his demented majesty about now.

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pingthing2488d ago

Curious, I haven't upgraded my PC for 2 years, however it seams to have got worse.

Death2488d ago

Did your PC get worse or did technology release that is better?

pingthing2488d ago

@ Death, exactly, my point is that performance is always relative.

dirkdady2488d ago

How is Xbox X future proof when it's struggling to display upcoming games in native 4K and resort to checkerboarding like the pro. I'm afraid tech moves so fast it usually gets outdated quickly

nitus102487d ago (Edited 2487d ago )

I built my desktop when the latest Intel Skylake chipset released which was about eighteen months ago.

I have not noticed any performance issues with my desktop although I do keep my operating system updated I don't run a Microsoft operating system though preferring Linux instead. When I get updates they don't interfere with what I am currently doing at the time and even when I get an update that requires a reboot (eg. new kernel) I have the choice as to when I reboot although a reboot takes me about a minute (SSD's are great).

The only downside of running Linux is the fact that there are not that many native games for it (a few thousand) compared to the Microsoft ecosystem but that is not an issue for me since I have never been a PC gamer.

BTW. My son has a Core i7 PC which is two generations behind mine yet he has no problems playing games on it and it runs Microsoft Windows 7. Bascally I can only ask "What is your PC and what are you running on it?"

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lelo2play2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

The XB1X GPU is above average with pretty good amount of memory... the problem is the CPU, it's below average. I wouldn't call the console future proof.

jonivtec2488d ago

People assume its a downgraded 8120 fx cpu...maybe its not and have more ipc nobody really know.

Kiwi662488d ago

A Poilitically correct area 😆

timotim2488d ago

Actually XOX's specs is better currently than what the average PC gamer uses on Steam. Most PC gamers game on machines that are not capable of 4k/60FPS at all.

XiNatsuDragnel2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

Again Tim your missing the point! I'm talk about super high end PC players, people with 144hz monitors and are able to run games at 8k 30fps if possible

pingthing2488d ago

Totally agree and guilty as charged. My PC had its last major overhaul about 2 years ago. At the time I was happy to get 1080p with ultra settings. This power is now laughable, it plays all games with adjustments to certain things like shadows and AA. So I think you need a basic knowledge in PC building to actually understand what is required from certain components to achieve 4k/60 gaming. My old PC is stronger than an Xbox, however gets nowhere the power the Xbox one X is talking about.

trooper_2488d ago

@Crotaaa

You don't prove Morgan wrong but instead call him an idiot. You really had nothing to prove him wrong, did you?

zerocarnage2488d ago

pc is slowing down in regards to upgrading

Angeljuice2487d ago

How is it future proof when the CPU is a noted bottleneck before it is even released?
They should have given it a stronger CPU, but they rely on consumer ignorance to sell.

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jhoward5852489d ago

Great article. But I want to hear more about the xb1x tool set.

zerocarnage2488d ago

You want to hear about the toolset, well there was an article about devs who have used it. Basically I'll put it in quick terms, the tools brought down development time and significantly raised the bar on development in every area.

Razzer2488d ago

Nothing is "future proof". BS marketing phrase.

Fishy Fingers2488d ago

Don't be silly, of course it's marketing. The same thing is said about any new high end tech release. If fact here's a good example:

"The head of PlayStation Europe, Jim Ryan, told the BBC's Michelle Fleury that the move was designed to future-proof the PlayStation 4."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/a...

Did you consider that^^ BS too? Probably not.

Razzer2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

lol....trying invent a contradiction? Please. I just called the phrase BS. Doesn't matter who said it.

What part of "nothing" don't you understand?

Fishy Fingers2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

Nope. Just a simple question. If you're one of the few on N4G that don't exercise gross hypocrisy then I apologise and commend you. We're a dying breed.

LP-Eleven2488d ago

Of course you'd link a Sony article. Try not to be too impartial or anything...

OT: No such thing as a future proof device. Hopefully, we'll get to see this thing actually show what it's made of, as multiplatform titles surely won't be able to do it.

SpaceRanger2488d ago

"If you're one of the few on N4G that don't exercise gross hypocrisy then I apologise and commend you. We're a dying breed."

I don't think you belong to that "breed" after your previous comment where you went full fanboy bringing in sony.

bluefox7552488d ago

Yes, that is also BS. Not everything has to be seen through the lens of a fanboy.

gangsta_red2488d ago

@LP

"Of course you'd link a Sony article. Try not to be too impartial or anything... "

Of course, because everyone uses that term even Sony, nothing to get all upset about.

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pingthing2488d ago

"Tomorrow' is 'future proof".and always will be.

LandoCalrissiano2487d ago (Edited 2487d ago )

That's so true. Itd be better said if it were a console for the next 5 to 10 years.

rainslacker2487d ago

Future proofing in computer terms just means that it's good for the expected market span it'll be used and sold, with a bit of time after to account for moving on to new technology without becoming obsolete immediately.

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nitus102487d ago

Not sure since I don't know if Microsoft can count given the following XBox, Xbox360 and XBox1. 🙂

pingthing2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

Let's be honest please. So you contacted every developer for a wishlist and then aggregated the results to get the X specs. Developers tailor to the hardware, not the other way around. Unless this what they really mean by ' Spin'.

Fishy Fingers2488d ago (Edited 2488d ago )

That's exactly how they designed the PS4 (apparently):

"I went out and spoke to 30-something development teams during development and got their feedback on what they wanted," - Mark Cerni

https://www.cnet.com/uk/new...

Quick google search and you'd see they basically all just say the same thing, why, because they basically all DO the same thing. Why 'we' choose to react differently to one or the other is pure bias I guess.

pingthing2488d ago

On the contrary, a quick search of my post history would confirm a bias for MS, not against it. Let's not pretend that this is the most powerful machine they could make, it is however probably the most cost effective solution that hit a perfomance target and fitted a budget. I think all sides would agree that the processor was a compromise.

ShottyatLaw2488d ago

This goes back to the DF reveal. They seemed to actually utilize existing engines, which I'm sure included 1st party, Unreal, Frostbite, etc., and ensured the hardware was designed in a way to allow existing software to efficiently see gains without requiring the extensive optimization from the devs.

It's been done before to lesser extent, but the whole mid-gen hardware refresh allows them to go even further. It was very smart. It's why you're hearing about devs porting over to the X1X in days. You ensure that existing software works out of the box, and you enable devs to easily and efficiently boost performance on their end.

I'm sure devs appreciate it. As dev costs rise, console makers can't afford to follow the old methods.

nitus102487d ago

The current generation consoles (exception Nintendo) have an X86_64 architecture which is what the majority of modern PC's use so it is little wonder that porting is relatively easy.

BigWan782488d ago

@Ping...

Microsoft did exactly that.. they took just about every game that is currently out and ran is through multiple analysis scans for bottle necks... they they took just about every game engine and threw it in the XDK...

Microsoft finally for the first time ever, did what they do best.. Flex their software engineering muscles... Every version of Unreal, Unity, Cry*Engine, etc are packed into the box. Not only that, there is some Playstation DNA in the box as well. This is for developers who just want to do a straight port from a previous [timed] exclusive PS4 game without doing much work on it, other than button mapping.

nitus102487d ago

Even though the architecture of the two consoles is similar (X86_64) the operating systems are different. Microsoft's console uses Windows 10 with DX12 while Sony's console uses a variant of BSD Unix and OpenGL/Vulcan.

Gaming development tools do allow for cross-platform games although you do have to pay for them. The gaming software suite Unreal 4 is basically free for anyone to use however if you are selling your product made with Unreal 4 you must pay the company.

EatCrow2488d ago

Oh lord. No.
What they did is check released games and how they're using the resources of the console and then release a console that tires to solve the bottleneck issues whilst still being affordable in the console market. End of story.

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Former Blizzard President Suggests Players Should Have Option to Tip Developers

Former Blizzard president Mike Ybarra recently suggested an interesting concept that has sparked a debate among gamers - the idea of being able to tip developers after completing a game.

LG_Fox_Brazil5d ago

If I had a 100% way to be sure that this money would go to a fund or a reserve dedicated only to the guys who develop the games, be them designers, artists, programmers and so on, I could think about it.

But we all know that this 'tip' would only end up in a publisher's CEO pocket to buy a new yacht, so, no, I ain't tipping anyone anytime soon on this industry

neutralgamer19924d ago

Exactly these companies were raising money for good causes and gamers were donation and come to find out they are keeping a good chunk of be pie

PapaBop4d ago

Yeah tip your developer, 5% proceeds go to developer, 95% to the publisher or whoever. Isn't tipping for staff not making minimum wage? How about they just pay their developers properly and like you know, give them fair bonuses? Too much to ask from Blizzard these days, Kotick saw to that and is now laughing all the way to the bank.

MrDead4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

It's the t**ts at the top looking at ways to cut devs wages and get the players to tip them like waiting staff, and I'll guarantee a percentage is skimmed and kept by Activision Blizzard. This is 100% for shareholder and CEO playouts.

Popsicle4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I have to agree with this. On the surface tipping devs sounds like a great idea, but in the end it leads to pay cuts and subsidization of pay. Tips then become an expectation or the devs “can’t make a living.” Lastly, especially in the US, tip culture has gotten out of control, and it serves as an excuse not to properly pay employees. Sounds good but doesn’t end well.

drizzom3d ago

@ Popsicle

I think your right on the nose with how much tipping has become rampant. Instead of it being a relationship directly between the customer and the developer or employee, it now has a middle man ingrained in the system. DoorDash is one example. It ends up becoming a metric where the company can measure 'just how much more money you are willing to part with' before raising the price on the main product.

1Victor4d ago

Uh so they’re trying triple dip or more we buy the game that they’re already withholding/cutting content for dlc we was told that season pass would help the developers thrive we felt for it.
Now on top of all that plus their sales bonus they want tips enough is enough whatever happens to you create/built a good game get a bonus for sales milestones you care about your game and community we reward you with more sales not for doing 3/4 of a game then save the other 1/4 for dlc and passes after

raWfodog4d ago

The 'tip' is me buying your game in the first place.

S2Killinit4d ago

Very well said. If it was possible to send the money to either the developer or some organization for the betterment of gaming, sure. But we all know that will not be the case.

Rynxie4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

No, it would go to those on the top. They will still fire developers, have a bunch of microtransactions, raise prices of games and so on.

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H95d ago

So they eventually don't pay their workers and depend on our tips to pay them like the case with waiters!

Deeeeznuuuts4d ago

That kind of practice is only normal in the states, as far as I know anyway, what a backwards system

H94d ago

No it's as well in a every country that wants to amercanize

bloop4d ago

Ireland is literally the first stop across the pond and we don't have a tipping culture. The only establishments here that would expect a tip are the tourist haunts that Americans visit. Other than that, you might tip in a restaurant as a sign of gratitude for great service and waiting staff would be paid a full wage anyway.

Rebel_Scum4d ago

Tipping is not customary iin most countries dude. Get a passport lol.

Jin_Sakai5d ago

Is this a joke? How about the big wigs giving up some of their pay for their hard working developers.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Maybe the CEO could earn his money based on tips.

mastershredder5d ago

good god. The devs are not baristas dude. Total 1% ideals. Fing Chadosaurus.

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The Reason Sega Lost The 32-Bit War? The 32X, Says Yosuke Okunari

"The company was unable to focus enough on its main hope"

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ApocalypseShadow9d ago

Nope. Going back to the 32X as the reason Sega lost that generation doesn't go back far enough before the Saturn.

Sega executives need to blame themselves as to why Sega lost that generation. Not Saturn. Not 32X. Not Sega CD. Nope. Executives were the reason why. It wasn't the hardware. Those devices were either dropped early or released to soon resulting in a developer backlash the hurt the game catalog. They really shouldn't have been made at all because they should have planned their next move more carefully. It has nothing to do with the devices. Poor leadership decisions and lack of unity within the company are what happened.

Love how blame is always shifted away from what is the truth. Writing a book placing the blame on the 32X isn't the truth.

solideagle8d ago

I am pretty sure there are documentaries (Youtube) around it which highlights these points. I had Sega Mega drive and NES growing up but that's about it. I didn't even know there was a war going on between these companies but I do remember thinking why I can't play Sonic cartridge on Nintendo or Mario on Sega :D

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago

I had the Genesis and the Saturn, also had the SNES and 64, I never got a Dreamcast for some reason, but I never saw one in the stores either.

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Talking Killer Klowns From Outer Space With The Chiodo Brothers

Chris D. Spoke with the Chiodo Brothers at PAX East about Killer Klowns From Outer Space: The Game and their Career.