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Sonic Mania is Absolutely Going to End the Sonic Cycle Once and For All

It took a while but SEGA finally gets it, and they put the perfect person at the helm in Christian Whitehead to ensure the game’s success with its most loyal fans. It’s OK to let your guard down just this one last time. Gamers can be pretty sure they're not going to get burned.

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Klonoa-dreamtraveler2930d ago

Well i'm definitely excited for mania though sonic forces looks like another dumb down kiddy game with another pointless direction sucking up to the whole making your own unoriginal sonic character crowd. sonic team being under Takashi Iizuka i can only expect garbage, only sonic team can ruin another sonic game lol so glad we have sonic mania and hopefully more to come from christian whitehead and HOPE TO GOD sonic team or Takashi Lizsuka doesn't touch shit of it let alone look at it.

SegaGamer2929d ago (Edited 2929d ago )

People like you are trapped in nostalgia land. Sonic Mania looks good, i agree with that, but to play down Forces is just sad. It's like some people can't accept any new Sonic game no matter what it is. Generations and Colours was highly praised, now we are getting a game that looks just as good if not better and now it's not good enough ? Sonic Team just can't satisfy some of you.

The difference in attitude towards Mario and Sonic games is laughable. Both games have gone through similar changes over the years when they moved from 2D to 3D, but Sonic games are forever criticised and Mario games are praised, it makes no sense to me. People like you say this new game of Sonic is dumbed-down and a kiddy game, but then get excited about the new Mario game which is the most dumbed-down kiddy friendly game you can get. Then there is the Sonic side project games that bring something new which get's criticised and then you get Mario Kart and Mario Party games which are highly praised even though they are pretty much the same game over and over again. The hypocrisy is laughable.

With Sonic, people are stuck in the past, with Mario, people like it no matter what just because it's Mario. It's got to the point where i think Sonic Team aren't the problem, it's the fans. They are so stuck in the past when it comes to Sonic.

Klonoa-dreamtraveler2929d ago

it is dumbed down and kiddy every sonic game for the past decade has had no direction what so ever cause of sonic teams laughable idea's that have nothing to do with the sonic franchise from being in Egypt to being in medieval times to turning into a werewolf with arms that stretch for effing sakes to colorful aliens to goofy looney toon looking monsters called the deadly six how the hell is that not kiddy let alone makes any damn sense in the sonic franchise nothing they all had a pointless direction that had nothing to do with sonic what so ever so no it's people like you who have supported sega teams garbage in turning sonic into a freakin clown and making every modern sonic game into a joke.

Monster_Tard2929d ago

"The difference in attitude towards Mario and Sonic games is laughable"

How so? Sonic games have gained a reputation of being terrible bug filled messes over recent years, Sega themselves have acknowledged this and are trying to put out better quality Sonic games, can you seriously look at Sonic 06 or Sonic Boom and say you don't understand the hate for them?

zb1ftw7772929d ago

Because Mario didn't change. He was still the loveable plumber that still looks the same.

Sonic went from a badass hedgehog to a stupid lanky cartoon with ridiculous looking lanky long legs. The sonic cartoon spelt the death of the sonic brand in terms of being badass.

It looked like a Japanese horror rather than a cool hedgehog.

SegaGamer2929d ago (Edited 2929d ago )

@Monster_Tard

Of course, Boom and 06 had a lot of problems, but those aren't the games i am talking about. There doesn't seem to be a Sonic game that doesn't get heavily criticised.

@Klonoa
Pretty much everything you criticise Sonic for can be applied to Mario games. It has talking dinosaurs, talking mushrooms, a princess that always get's kidnapped by some sort of mutated giant turtle. Then there is Mario himself who is like some 40 year old man child. He barely speaks and when he does, he says the same things in every game. It couldn't be more kiddy friendly but it's loved anyway.

Mario also has no direction, it's the same story over and over again but with a different set of levels. The only Platformer that has any direction these days are the Ratchet and Clank games. Sonic games have more direction than Mario games. Mario hasn't evolved story wise since the first ever game.

You say newer Sonic games have nothing to do with Sonic what so ever.......what does Mario and his friends driving around in little karts have to do with Mario ? You complain about Sonic becoming a Werehog in Sonic Unleashed, well Mario can jump into his hat in this new Mario game and control fish and Dinosaurs.

They are platform games who's target audience are kids, they aren't supposed to be taken as seriously as you are taking them. Even the old Sonic games were kiddy friendly. Sonic zapping through stages saving animals from being turned into robots by some mad scientist, that is pretty much all the old Sonic games were and that is probably what Sonic Mania will be too.

It's all to do with nostalgia. Mario still plays on people's nostalgia massively, Sonic doesn't so much anymore so Sonic games are the ones that get heavily criticised.

Just so people realise by the way, i'm not actually criticising Mario games, i really enjoy Mario games, i just don't understand this constant need to bash Sonic when Mario get's praised for having many of the same problems Sonic games are criticised for.

Elronza2929d ago

I fully agree with you! I'm 34 years old and very much enjoyed both Sonic Unleashed and Shadow the Hedgehog. I love the fact that Sega has tried different things with Sonic over the years.

deafdani2928d ago

The main difference is that Mario games usually have awesome gameplay, whereas Sonic games are widly inconsistent in that area.

You're trying to draw a paralel across them as if they're somehow in the same level as far as game design, gameplay, sound and controls are... but they aren't. They just aren't.

If anything, it's precisely because of nostalgia that Sonic is still so relevant today, and his games keep selling pretty damn well, even when the quality of said games are all over the place.

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343_Guilty_Spark2929d ago

Dumb down kiddie game...Like games should only be made for you demographic

-Foxtrot2929d ago

Looks fantastic

Does anyone laugh at the fact in the hand drawn looking launch trailer the elevator at the end which has the buttons as "1, 2, 3, K, M"

Sonic 1
Sonic 2
Sonic 3
Sonic and Knuckles
Sonic Mania

Yet no Sonic 4 lol

This is basically the real Sonic 4 to me :)

Klonoa-dreamtraveler2929d ago

I'm ok with pretending sonic 4 episode 1 & 2 never existing and actually make a real 2d sonic installment of sonic 4 lol

Snookies122929d ago

You can't say 'once and for all'. Perhaps 'once', in this particular case. We have no idea what Sega is going to do after this releases. Could be a one hit wonder, then back to their old ways with the Sonic franchise.

Summons752929d ago

This gets said with every Sonic game. This game looks promising though. Sonic fans just need to accept that Sonic games have never been more than average, from the start. Great character and some game are far better than others and some are trash but overall the games are just average.

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Blacknut Announces a New Partnership With Kalypso Media

Blacknut has announced a brand new partnership with Kalypso Media. This will see Kalypso's gaming portfolio arrive on Blacknut.

The partnership will take hold from June 27th with the arrival of a selection of Klaypos Media titles onto the Blacknut cloud gaming platform.

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It Shouldn't Take Expedition 33's Success to Remind Square Enix That Turn-Based Still Sells

TNS: Expedition 33 was the wake-up call Square Enix needed, telling it turn-based RPGs are still popular, but that shouldn't have been the case.

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Relientk7716h ago

True, but if it does get it through their thick skulls, then that works.

Although, the Dragon Quest 1 + 2 HD remakes will be turn-based and (the worst kept secret) Final Fantasy IX remake should be turn-based I would imagine. Let's see if any newer games go turn-based too.

thorstein12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

DQIII HD Remake was turned based and very successful. Then there was a really obscure turn based game came Balder's Gate 3. I heard it might have done well.

Profchaos9h ago

I wouldn't be shocked if they switched ff to the vii remake combat system

PapaBop5h ago

It won't get through to them though, despite E33's success, they still won't risk going fully turn based for their big budget projects simply because they are still in the mindset that it needs to be action combat to appeal to the mainstream audience. I hope I'm wrong but don't underestimate just how stubborn Japanese execs can be

DivineHand12515h ago

While it is true that Sqaure Enix has moved away from turn based games compared to how they were in the past, there is a good reason for it.

Older gamers will know this but during the ps2 era, we were flooded with turned based games from Japanese studios and this created a form of fatigue back then going into the next generation.

When Square released FF13, they received heavy criticism for making the game turned based like every other FF game and not doing enough to innovate. This is why they made FF15, FF7 Remake and FF16 have real time combat. It gave the series a fresh spin and has brought in new fans to the series.

I personally would be happy with either turned based FF or the real-time combat version we see today.

Shane Kim15h ago

Remake and Rebirth have "turn based" if you set it in the settings.

Lexreborn212h ago

Dang wish I saw your post before I made mine because we definitely feel the same way lol

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Yeah hit the nail on the head but its like ww2 games we get hundreds of them then a decade of nothing and people start missing them i think we're going to start seeing them return

Claire, dragon quest even yakuza have seen turn based return

andy8515h ago

Only need to look at their own game DQ 11 approaching 10 million to show there's a market. And that's not as big of a name as FF

Tacoboto15h ago

Another article about Expedition 33 and Square Enix and turn-based games? This is starting to sound like propaganda.

The game didn't sell because it's a turn-based game; it sold and is enjoyed because it's a really freaking good game that released completed at a good price without gamer drama attached to it. No Mtx, no wait-until-it's-patched, minimal bloat, a self-contained story, no multiplatform BS. Just a solid original game that absolutely nails what it intended to do.

Redemption-6414h ago

I was just about to say the same thing.

anast13h ago

This comment should have a 100 upvotes, at least.

CrimsonWing6914h ago

Maybe try actually listening to the fans who have supported the series for decades. This habit of ignoring your core audience just to chase people who were never interested in Final Fantasy in the first place makes no sense. And when that approach fails, doubling down on it is beyond baffling.

The battle system has never been the main reason non-FF or non-JRPG players stayed away. Gutting the series’ identity to chase a broader market doesn’t attract new players. It just alienates the loyal ones.

Keep going down this road and we’ll end up with Final Fantasy Fortnite abomination or a F2P Battle Royale game.. Oh wait…

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Sony Faces Class Action in the Netherlands Over Allegedly Inflated PlayStation Store Prices

Mass Damage & Consumer Foundation in the Netherlands has filed a class action against Sony for inflating PlayStation Store prices.

dveio2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

My personal opinion:

Manufacturers and publishers have indeed inflated the industry.

From $700 million development costs for games like Call of Duty, to digital (store) prices for games and DLCs, online multiplayer fees on consoles (why can you play Helldivers 2 online for free on PC but not consoles?) or still preventing sell/lend digitally purchased games.

Sometime in the future, this bubble will collapse.

They should know better, but they just can't help themselves and suck even the last penny out of our wallets.

BeHunted2d ago

Because Sony knows people will be forced to pay those prices for single player and multiplayer games, not everyone prefers PC gaming. Sony also has a monopoly on PlayStation digital games. In 2019, they stopped allowing retailers and game key sellers to sell PlayStation digital games, making them available only through the official PlayStation Store

anast2d ago

The Dutch gov. wants a piece of the pie.

Eonjay2d ago

They should be suing the individual publishers increasing the prices to $80 instead of suing the store. There are plenty of publishers still selling game for like $50 with much success (like E33). But this proves that the publishers are the ones setting the prices.... so again nothing changes because they aren't even going after the main offender. How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD? Sony being the number one store in the market doesn't mean that publisher have to charge us an arm and a leg. Again the industry is laughing at us because consumers never get real representation. Just these fake platitudes that are meaningless.

BeHunted2d ago

"How is suing Sony going to make Microsoft not charge $80 for the next COD"

Because Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly, I can purchase Call of Duty at a huge discount from CDKeys or other gaming retailers. The only way to purchase digital PlayStation games is through the PlayStation Store.

djl34852d ago

Weird, I swore GoW, Stellar Blade, Horizon Zero Dawn, TLoU, etc. were on the steam store....uh.....

BeHunted2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@djI3485

I'm talking about PlayStation games that you can only purchase on PlayStation. I can purchase Steam and Epic games from 3rd party retailers and key stores.

"Sony to stop selling full-game download codes at retailers"

https://www.videogamer.com/...

Killer2020UK2d ago

About time. There is zero fair reason why digitally distributed products that you cannot recoup any value when you want to dispose of them, should be priced higher than that of physical copies that entail all of the costs and the benefits of owning.

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