Sony Denies Making Marketing Deals To Force PS4 Pro Parity With Xbox One X

Destiny 2 has been confirmed to run at 30 fps on the Xbox One X. This led to some speculation among fans that Sony is forcing parity with the PS4.

[Gazondaily]

Good!

[freshslicepizza]

Yes it is good and I like that he said its up to the developer to choose to use the power of Xbox One X but marketing deals to withhold content is not something to be proud of.

[2pacalypsenow]

It brings gamers to PlayStation, just like it brought gamers to Xbox last gen. Nothing wrong with that.

[Nitrowolf2]

I agree that its dumb to withhold content, but where are you in those Microsoft articles and e3 stories of their conference touting the same thing only about xbox? Timed exclusive is a whole lot worse imo than tiny free content that has minimal gameplay offering.

Point still stands though. 3rd party deals are dumb, but they are here to stay so no sense in getting salty about it.

[darthv72]

@2pac... but people came to 360 last gen because the multiplat games played better, not because of exclusive content. If anything sony was rather demanding that any game released on PS3 after the 360 HAD TO HAVE something extra to differentiate it. Basically they didnt want any sloppy seconds but that is how most ports played anyway regardless of extra content.

As for the whole destiny thing... its the CPU that is holding things back. DF did a video about it a little while ago when D2 was announced. Rather than try to improve the frame rate (for pro) by running 1080p 60 they are aiming to stick to the 30fps (blame it on the base PS4) and shooting for 4k res. Go figure the xb1 would be doing the same thing because (again its the CPU not GPU) if they cant get the base model to run at 60fps then they arent going to make an unfair advantage for those who get the better model.

@nitro, timed exclusives have been around allot longer than many realize. The only thing bad is that one side has to wait a little longer than the other but ultimately the game still comes out (and improved in many cases). MS may have been guilty of paying for timed exclusivity but the games still came to other platforms. MS never did anything even remotely close to what Sony and Capcom did for SFV.

And that was shady to cut off a whole fighting community on xbox under the guise of financial help in making the game when Capcom didnt need financial help in making Res Evil 7 or Marvel vs Capcom Infinite.

[Kingthrash360]

I knew this was BS when it was first brought up. Even made a video about it.
All this shows is how the gap between consoles are not as wide. It's either the xbox X power was overblown or the pro is under estimated.
Seeing that AC:O is also checkerboard rendered and the 30fps on both consoles maybe the pro is "true 4k" afterall.........:)
Or "true 4k" was just a load of crap used to undermine great games that were being made for the pro before the xbo X was revealed .
NO matter how you look at it more and more false information is coming to light.

[freshslicepizza]

@darth

Well said, this is why I said Sony is proud to exclude others and force gamers to their platform. Many of their fans also want it that way, as long as they are the ones who reap the benefit. If not watch out! First party, yes, makes total sense but not third party.

[uptownsoul]

I love @moldybread & @darthv72's (and lots of other people's) negative view of marketing deals to withhold content. I'm sure the same group of people have a negative view of Sony not participating in cross-console play...

What I find really funny is that most of the people with negative views of both practices seem to only express their negative views of these practices after Microsoft reverses course in 2015-2016.

Prior to that, I never saw ANYBODY complaining about Xbox 360 marketing deals to withhold content (a practice they may not have invented, but surely perfected). AND Microsoft was against cross-platform all of last gen and the first 2 years of this gen...and again, not a peep.

IMO, Only people who have expressed their problems with Marketing to withhold content & No cross-platform play LAST generation can be taken seriously NOW.

If you got tweets or videos or comments on websites complaining about Microsoft (2005-2015) doing these practices then your consistent & thus get a pass, everybody else...not buying the phony outrage.

[2pacalypsenow]

If Sony is not making those deals, Microsoft will...

[TKCMuzzer]

@modlybread
Hypocritical? cough, Tombraider, Ok for one and not the other? You should read what you write sometimes.

[Thegamer41]

@darth, People went to the 360 because it was released first and was the only HD console at the time, it had nothing to do with slightly better-looking multiplats.

The PS3 ended up selling more than the 360 after it being on the market for over a year with no competition. Take a guess why? Exclusives.

[r2oB]

@ moldy

Most of Microsofts E3 conference was full of launch exclusives AKA timed exclusives. Which means the are withholding those games from PS4 gamers for a designated amount of time. Do you think that's anti consumer of them? Shall we check your post history to see how many times you peeked into E3 articles and complained about Microsoft withholding those games from gamers.

[Sunny_D]

@uptownsoul

All this proves is that bar none Xbox fanboys are the biggest flip flopper of gamers anyone has seen. They flip flop just like MS did with their DRM policies at the beginning of this gen.

[cellfluid]

What does content has to do with frame rates??

[Why o why]

Uptown soul.... trust me...there will be zero response to your comment by the 'professional complainers'.. so much energy spent on the console they dont like but zero history of parity in their 'new concerned' conviction . Moldy will always be moldy but darth is acting weird of late.

[XanderZane]

Jim Ryan is a joke. Why is he talking about the original Destiny? They are talking about Destiny 2, which would obviously have a different deal. The fact that he said, "Not to my knowledge." tell me he's clueless and doesn't really know if it does or doesn't have a parity clause in the contract.
As for Microsoft's timed exclusives, I hate them. Microsoft should have made them true exclusives or console exclusives. Same way they did with Titanfall and Sony did it with Street Fighter 5. Microsoft needs to grow some balls and either get more studios to make true exclusives or pay 3rd party to make console exclusives. Look at Ubisoft making Mario_Rabbid Kingdom Battle for Switch. This is what Microsoft should be doing for XBox One X. No different then PS4 getting Nier: Automata & Nioh. This will draw gamers to their consoles.

[coolbeans]

@uptownsoul

-"Prior to that, I never saw ANYBODY complaining about Xbox 360 marketing deals to withhold content (a practice they may not have invented, but surely perfected)."

1.) Maybe it's just me...but I think awarding the 'perfecter' of this unfortunate practice should go to the company's who's able to get a contract that enforces content parity for one whole year. Hats off to them cranking the insidiousness to eleven! :D

2.) What worth does your anecdotal evidence hold?

-"AND Microsoft was against cross-platform all of last gen and the first 2 years of this gen...and again, not a peep. "

Again, more anecdotal evidence that'd I'd argue is untrue. Various users across all platforms have aired annoyance about the walled-off approach console companies have had with online play.

-"If you got tweets or videos or comments on websites complaining about Microsoft (2005-2015) doing these practices then your consistent & thus get a pass, everybody else...not buying the phony outrage."

So, rife through our personal history filled with possibly thousands & thousands of comments in order to prove legitimacy before commenting? That won't prove to be incredibly tedious.

[UltraNova]

Moldy care to explain how Sony managed to limit Assassin's Creed Origin's fps to 30 when Ubi has a deal with MS?

While you are at it please explain the RotTR thing and 22 "console launch exclusives" announced by MS this E3.

The hypocricy and flip flopping levels are off the charts. Its unbelievable...

[freshslicepizza]

@UltraNova
"Moldy care to explain how Sony managed to limit Assassin's Creed Origin's fps to 30 when Ubi has a deal with MS?"

Where did I say Sony did that? Its an open world game, how many open world console titles run at 60fps? Microsoft isn't forcing developers to do anything if you are implying Xbox One X can handle it.

"While you are at it please explain the RotTR thing and 22 "console launch exclusives" announced by MS this E3."

Phil already explained to Gamestop during the interview. Some games were world premieres and some are Windows/Xbox only and some are console launch meaning timed exclusive deals. That means they are not paying those developers to keep the games from coming to your PS4 down the road like Sony does to block games coming to the Xbox FOREVER.

"The hypocricy and flip flopping levels are off the charts. Its unbelievable..."

It sure is unbelieveable, people used to go after Microsoft for timed deals but now they wont go after Sony. people sued to attach Microsoft for not wanting to do crossplay and now they wont go after Sony. People used to go after Nintendo for monitoring its users and having things like freinds list and blocking voice chat for the children, now they wont go after Sony for doing it.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

You want to know why this is absolutely ridiculous? Because none of these games is being built from the ground up for the Xbox One X. It's nothing more than a delusional conspiracy theory.

[Master of Unlocking]

Yet Microsoft has been doing it for years now, parity deals I mean. But if Sony were to do it now it would be wrong of course...

[coolbeans]

@Master of Unlocking

"Yet Microsoft has been doing it for years now, parity deals I mean."

There's never been any proof of console performance parity (what's actually being discussed here) signed by them though. Content parity & first-release deals have been common for both of them.

[Realms]

LOL. The reason MS isn't making any marketing deals is that they don't have any leverage because we all know full to well that they lived or die with those deals don't believe me then tell why MS line up without said deals looks so anemic. MS may not have invented exclusivity deals but they sure milked the hell out of them when they where the dominant console a practice and strategy that Sony is now using against them.

[KilKarazy]

Nitrowolf, the exclusive Destiny content still hasn't come out on Xbox. Microsoft has never done that. DLC was "first" for a month like it is now with Sony which is fine. The reason people are so skeptical of this is that Destiny was and is not allowed to be publicly acknowledged to be coming out on Xbox One as a result of Sonys deal. Neither are the other 2 big AAA releases. It's not much of a stretch for Sony to be requiring parity when the game doesn't "exist " on other platforms.

[slasaru01]

This is ridiculous. MS can ask Bungie to create another super gun or helmet but for Xbox version. It will cost peanuts and same production effort, lol

[yarbie1000]

Headline is misleading. He doesn't say it doesn't happen. He said he's not going to go into details about clauses and he says he doesn't have knowledge of it.

[uptownsoul]

Sony probably doesnt make marketing deals to force parity. Assassin's Creed Origins is marketed w/Xbox and they've confirmed both 1X & Pro versions will be Dynamic Rez @30fps. BUT...

I'm sure the professional complainers will still blame Sony for that too.

[aconnellan]

@uptownsoul

I don't think they would have done it specifically, but - speaking of Assassin's Creed - remember when Unity had both console versions running at 900p/30fps, and Microsoft got shit all over for holding the PS4 back?

Where's the heat on Sony now that the opposite is true? We know that the One X is more powerful than the Pro, but now it's ok that they both run at the 'lower' res and frame rate compared to what the X can accomplish?

[GottaBjimmyb]

It definitely happens the one x is unquestionably stronger and destiny two will be exactly the same on both. I find it funn that when PS4 was being "held back" earlier this gen, everyone here was pissing and moaning, now suddenly everyone is perfectly fine with it and it is a no brainer to hold back on the One X. Totally obvious.

[naruga]

every empty-brainer who says about deals forgets that out there are not only PS4 pro and XoneX but also og PS4s and og Xones which have far bigger audiences than pro consoles ....devs must keep in touch with them too , cant make exclusive games...Sony shouldnt have to explain that there are no deals DDuh:< .....but ok eveyr BS someone shouts must become instantly News

[Aceman18]

@naruga

Thank you, someone here finally saying what the brain dead complainers should have realized. There's more models of OG PS4 and X1 on the market and it would be totally unfair if those versions only ran at 30 while the Pro and X did 60.

If you ppl can't see this important fact then i say please stop making comments about this.

[MegamanXXX]

Xbox will always be PS4's b****.This generation, anyhow.In terms of sales this gen as well.

Otherwise they have both have plenty of cool experiences...many of which will have the potential to be superior on XBox in a small number of months.

...but as long as you enjoy your own experience, that is all that matters.

[DarXyde]

Common sense would tell the average person that 30fps doesn't become 60fps with a 10% CPU advantage.

I wish people thought about that more.

[fenome]

Agreed!
It would be shady AF and just a complete waste of money.

[MegamanXXX]

and it will still be in 30fps

[joab777]

Somewhere I read that the CPU bottlenecks the X1X also, making it about 7-10% faster than Pro. Maybe hey couldn't get it to run at 4k/60 on either. Though I wish they would offer a 1080/60 option for mp. It's 4v4 and not open world.

I will add though, that if Sony didn't have anything to do with it, they really lucked out, because if the PC, X1X and PS4 released the same day, and the X1X IS capable of running at 60 fps, Sony would have shelled out a lot of money, and lost quite a few players. So, either coincidence or purposeful, Sonu dodged a bullet for sure B/C Id much rather have 60 fps than a new strike and mp map.

[TheCommentator]

DX12 in the command processor reduces the bottlenecks and results in up to a 50% reduction of the CPU workload. Plus, the CPU itself is completely customized, and there's nothing like it on the market today.

[da1writer]

@TheCommentator that's untrue, it's an evolved Jaguar chip called PUMA. Look it up, it's still a simple laptop processor. I'm sorry to burst your console war dream but Desktop CPU's crap all over these low powered (slow) CPU's in these consoles. Play your games please, not the plastic boxes you worship. Be gamers, not corporate slaves.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Who would think that anyway besides dumb f**king fanboys. It was clear as day the reason why it wasn't 60 on x1x was to keep parity with og x1 owners and not put them at you know a huge f**king disadvantage in crucible

[XanderZane]

Well, that's what everyone kind of expected for MP games. It's not like it couldn't run the game at 60fps. I have a feeling Battlefront 2 and Call of Duty WW2 will all be 30fps on all the game consoles as well, just so the mid-gen consoles can stay parity with the OG consoles.

[butchertroll]

Jez Corden about Assassins Creed Origins between XOX and Pro :

Jez @ E3 @JezCorden

Fact Ubisoft told me there's no difference between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X version of AC: Origins could be part of a much bigger problem

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

So, Sony is paying Ubisoft for parity even if Microsoft has a marketing deal with AC Origins.

Who ever thought that Sony is forcing graphical parity between Pro and XOX for Destiny 2 because marketing deal is a FRICKIN IDIOT!

[mark3214uk]

didnt ms do this with the x1 and the ps4, pay devs not to make the ps4 better on some games e.g the same resolution

[IamTylerDurden1]

Umm they made the Destiny marketing deal before Scorpio was even a thing. The reason they are making so many marketing deals is bc the own over 50% market share and are dominating this gen. The deals are easier to come by when you have twice the install base. If both Sony and MS are offering similar amounts obviously the publisher will choose Sony due to a larger crop of potential players.

[gangsta_red]

I mean would anyone even admit to this even if they did?

[ARESWARLORD]

I don't think Sony would do that. That's the type of thing that would completely ruin your name with the gaming community. PS4 pro is beastly I've had it since launch and I love it LET​ Xbox have no more powerful system for now it doesn't really matter they're both good

[Thatguy-310]

Of course Sony won't do that. If it did then they should explain why assassin's creed is using dynamic resolution at 30fps.

[thekhurg]

Same reason that Sony forced Crackdown 3 to be 30fps and look like a glorified Xbox 360 game.

[mandingo]

@thekhurg. Thats the art style. How should it look?

[AZRoboto]

People claimed Microsoft did the same thing back in the 360 days, with no concrete proof behind it.

[thekhurg]

They were just talking out of their asses. Everyone knew the PS3 was more powerful than the 360, but it was impossible to optimize for anyone that wasn't a 1st party developer. So games ran poorly compared to the exclusives.

Cell was an awful decision, Sony fixed that this generation.

[rainslacker]

People used the parity clause as proof, but they misinterpreted what that was actually stipulating for parity. Performance parity in general I've never seen be enforced when it comes to performance. There was never any reason to actually do so. Content parity is another issue, and I understand why MS did that, but they've since dropped that clause with this gen.

[Neonridr]

While I honestly don't believe Sony would be so low, they do have a crap ton of marketing dollars into some of the big fall games this year (Destiny 2, Call of Duty, Battlefront 2). Would look silly to be promoted as the "platform of choice" only to have the competition have a better version yet having paid nothing for it. So I guess it's not out of the realm of possibility I guess. But here's hoping that this is true and Sony wouldn't enforce some crazy rule like that.

[Nitrowolf2]

Yeah but they would already be doing that since call of duty all things considering that the pc version can look and run better.

Their advertisement is all just about saying they have exclusive content and that they can have commercials run only for thier console.

TBH im pretty sure we would have heard if this is true by now by some random developer like we did last gen with ps3 and 360.

[Neonridr]

yep you could be right. Obviously we would never want to hear that this sort of stuff is true. Would be very anti-consumer and slimey.

[ninsigma]

Will they be the better version though?? Performance wise, sure, the x will have a slight edge but at the same time, PS4 buyers will get more content for the same price. So it'll be a toss up for consumers to decide which they want.

[Neonridr]

yeah absolutely. I mean Destiny you get that exclusive content and on the other platforms you might get earlier DLC or what have you. So definitely that factors into the equation. I just meant on a pure technical standpoint it should be better on Xbox One X, but that's up to the devs to utilize that extra power or not. They could in theory just take the Pro version and copy + paste and call it a day.

[MegaMohsi]

most casual consumers will take content over "more pixels" and will buy it on the platform most of their friends play on because this is a social game.

[ninsigma]

"but that's up to the devs to utilize that extra power or not."
Agreed here. I've been thinking that the games that are already enhanced for pro that will also be enhanced for X will likely just take the Pro improvements and apply to X. Then games post X launch will (SHOULD) be enhanced according to what X can do.

[MegaMohsi]

Sony markets Destiny 2 as having the exclusive content that makes it the place to play Destiny 2. I saw video of the 4k/60 fps PC version and it looks amazing. They don't have to "force parity" basically play it on PS if you want the exclusive content.

If PS4 version isn't native 4k and Xbox version is, do enough people care about slightly better resolution or content you won't get on other platforms for at least a year?

[Neonridr]

depends I guess. I play on PS4, but I could honestly care less if Xbox users had an extra couple of exotics or some extra armor at the end of the day. But to some, that could be huge.

I just want the game to look and run fantastic, which it will still do on my PS4 Pro.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Please sit here for a minute and use your little fanboy brain and actually think for once. Oh screw it I don't have all day the reason the x1x version of destiny 2 is 30 is to keep it fair with og x1 owners otherwise x1x owners no matter how few would have a massive advantage over og x1 owners in crucible

[Neonridr]

yeah, it makes the most sense. Wouldn't be fair for the 30fps users. Otherwise Destiny would have to have dedicated servers just for the One X users instead.

[rainslacker]

They're marketing the content though....why bother with the performance stuff? It's like the whole argument that it's the games that matter. For most players, it's the content that matters. Say COD. For those really into the game, having the content as soon as possible would be more important than slight performance gains.

[Neonridr]

depends, Destiny is an extreme example. Usually it would be getting DLC a week early or something.

[ShadowWolf712]

Marketing deals for Destiny and Star Wars were in place long before Scorpio was a thing, man. There'd have been no NEED for any kind of Parity Mandate in those as the PS4 WAS more powerful than the Xbox One. Heck, the Destiny deal (which applies to the series, not just one game) was inked before either system was out with their specs revealed.

[MegaMohsi]

Did they force parity with AC Origins running at dynamic 4k? Did they force parity with Crackdown 3 running at 30 fps? Gears 4? Please enough with this crap.

[KingKionic]

How can Sony force parity with Crackdown 3 and Gears of War 4?

You make no sense. Lol.

[Nyxus]

That's exactly his point...

[ninsigma]

https://giphy.com/gifs/edit...

That's the joke, they can't...just like they can't on multiplats.

[Thatguy-310]

Uh that's his point man. The only game Ms has that's 4k/60fps is Forza all the other big games are dynamic 4k with 30fps. Even the ones they're partnering with

[Kribwalker]

@thatguy

Didn't know all these games were also forza
Native 4K UHD

Ashen
Black Desert
Crackdown 3
Deep Rock Galactic
Forza Motorsport 7
Halo Wars 2
Metro: Exodus
Middle Earth: Shadow of Mordor
Minecraft
Need For Speed: Payback
Ori and the Will of the Wisps
Player Unknown’s Battlegrounds
Sea of Thieves
State of Decay 2
Super Lucky’s Tale
The Artful Escape of Francis Vendetti
The Darwin Project
The Last Night

As well, games like ark will run 1080/60fps while on the pro they will be 30fps or like they said, they could have got it to 60fps if it was at 720p

[Nitrowolf2]

@kribwalker

Metro wasnt running on the X, so thats to be determined

Crackdown 3 is 30fps as a few of those other games. The discussion was is sony forcing a parity clause, because xbox fanboys seem to think so and that all these ganes can run at 4k with 60fps, when that isnt the case. Not only that, but we are learning that Phils spencor "true 4k" console is alos loaded with some games that arent "true 4k"

[hulk_bash1987]

Way to own yourself there man. Lol that joke went completely over your head.

[MrSec84]

They're rhetorical questions, obviously hardware has it's limits or developers haven't iterated on their development methods to make a game run at 4K native or 60FPS or both, but if we're seeing similar things being achieved on a 3rd party game compared to a 1st party one then there's no way Sony could have done anything to force devs to change what was possible on XB1-X.

His point actually makes perfect sense.

[trooper_]

You missed his point.

Congratulations!

[MrFisher21]

That one went right over your head huh?

[TheStruggleIsReal]

Someone doesn't get it lol

[JasonKCK]

Jim Ryan admitted to parity right here https://www.vg247.com/2017/...

[FITgamer]

Your comprehension skills are lacking bud. Sony is saying that THEY aren't forcing devs to aim for parity. Not that devs won't choose to.

[JasonKCK]

You assumed I was talking about Sony lol

[BlackTar187]

Cause you were talking about Sony.

[FITgamer]

Well you replied in article about Sony, linking an interview with a Sony executive...

[JasonKCK]

No, I said "Jim Ryan admitted to parity right here"

And he does, 3 times. You just substituted "Jim Ryan" with Sony and assumed.

"Well you replied in article about Sony, linking an interview with a Sony executive"

Yeah, a Sony executive, not Sony. He admitted to parity in the industry. Maybe you need to check yourself.

[TheCommentator]

The comments around here lately are really getting dumb. What a freaking Pony show...

[nicsaysdie]

I hope you're being sarcastic. Because if not, you're an idiot. Let me help just in case. The lowest common denominator means, in this case, the audience that has the majority share. Meaning ps4 and Xone/Xone S. Parity in the industry isn't a thing. Catering to the majority of gamers is what Mr Ryan is talking about. That's not parity in this sense.

[JasonKCK]

It is parity, and denial isn't going to change it.

[AZRoboto]

Gears 4 runs at 4k60fps in multiplayer, though...

[xenz]

Wrong. Dynamic 4K60fps

[MecheSlays]

Its gonna be 4k60 in mp which is all im playing so its fine

[COZMIC]

Wasn't aware they are dropping the frame rate on gears multiplayer from 60 to 30 on the 1X. Every time I play some multiplayer it's a smooth 60 frames.

[SkippyPaccino]

People still play Gears multiplayer?....

[bluefox755]

This. The reality is, the console was overhyped, and instead of acknowledging that it's not the powerhouse people thought it would be, they're blaming Sony. You only have to look at the first party games to poke a giant hole in that logic.

[Majin-vegeta]

Of course.this is all Bungie doing they wanna keep the playing field even on all consoles

[GamingCentaur]

Destiny is a game limited by the CPU which isn't upgraded enough on the One X to make it a stable 60FPS.
Even if it were to be able to do it, it would need to play nice with the original and Slim models so they would have needed to stick to 30 in the end and that's without Sony ever entering the conversation.

[COZMIC]

Dont say that. Don't have common sense on this website. Sony fanboys need a reason to hate on the 1X.

[nicsaysdie]

All I keep hearing is talk of how Sony is the big bad wolf scaring the poor game companies into nerfing other console versions. Where is the common sense there? That's what people are talking about. Let me ask this, what if only two ps4 pros were ever sold? Should a dev spend hundreds of thousands of dollars extra creating the best possible frame rates and graphics and server capacity and infrastructure so those 2 people get the best possible experience from the multi-player game? No? Should they spend the money making the game the best it can be for the millions of Xone owners? So what's the magic number of people to make that investment worthwhile? 12 million? 30 million? 60 million? 0? Common sense, which you seem so keen on, would dictate that the larger number would necessitate the investment. You, and Josh poshy seem to think 0 is the magic number though, which is great because that's literally the number of x1xs in the wild to date. Where's that common sense you were touting?

[Razzer]

Devs are now having to support 4 different console models. Don't be surprised if a lot of mulitplat devs opt to provide identical versions for the Pro and One X as those two will probably encompass the smallest install bases.

But do you know which games usually always push the hardware to their limits?

Exclusives.

[2pacalypsenow]

I think it has to do with the fact that people still playing on the Original Xbox 1 and PS4 would be at a disadvantage, bungie doesn't want that.

[-Foxtrot]

No one seemed to give a shit when Microsoft was doing it last gen. Remember their parity clause for most games between the 2 platforms, hell even with limitations to hardware. I remember when L.A Noire went multiplatform and because they couldn't fit it all on the Xbox One discs they ended up cutting some content, the same content which went on DLC and preorder stuff. So they could have fitted it on the Blu ray disc Sony was using but because of parity they weren't allowed.

[rainslacker]

MS parity clause was about the content itself, not the performance.

[nicsaysdie]

I am so proud of you. Great reference.

[leemo19]

Of course there's no deal to make both consoles parity between each other, Sony would have to be stupid to do some kind of deal like that. Clearly the XBX is going to have the advantage in hardware over the Pro, but its really up to the dev what they do with the hardware of that console to push their game even more.

[Lennoxb63]

I think people are looking at the Gears of War 4 situation where PC gamers can play with Xbox gamers and still not have an advantage with higher frame rate. That being said there are systems and restrictions on PC and Xbox that put both on more even ground. Systems that Bungie don't feel it's worth it to implement.

[DaGreatOne]

I'm so glad this discussion is over and done with. There were some people on Twitter losing their minds over this. Logical individuals pointed this out from the beginning.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

It has nothing to do with Parity... It's an online games that is cross system, Im sure the X could run the game at 60fps, X1 runs it at 30 so it needs to be 30 to keep online fair, same with PS4 and PS4 Pro!

[feraldrgn]

When your console can't run true 4k with every game like promised, I guess you have to blame someone else.
http://n4g.com/news/2069184...

[GNCFLYER]

It would be no big deal had Phil not made so many claims about a true 4k console. Obviously it's going to use CB as well, which is fine.

But every time there is an XBX game using CB or is 30fps everyone will point at Sony for a while. This also happened at the beginning of this gen with us Sony guys looking at Xbox for parity reasons when most if not all was true.

PRO or XBX games will be gorgeous. I have Horizon at 4k and it's mind blowing.

[TocaCannaBowl]

but its ok when xbox 360 did it ? BS

[GrmpyolGamer]

OJ denied it as well

[tyasia0]

The sad thing is this entire conversation came up because Phil in an interview basically implied that Sony might be making parity deals on the games they had marketing agreements for. While at the same time Microsoft has marketing deals with WB and Ubisoft.

For a guy who says they don't like to get into console wars he sure does fan the flames a lot.

[COZMIC]

Where was he implying that Sony was making deals like this? Because I watched the interview and after they asked him if he thought this was the case he said that he doubts that's the case and it's up to developers what frame rate and resolution they will use.

[nicsaysdie]

Didn't he actually say he had no knowledge of it, but if it did exist it was bad for the industry? That's a bit different from saying no, or I doubt it.

[nicsaysdie]

Agreed. Philip is shady as eff.

[jer1122]

I don't get why this rumor even started they said at the Destiny 2 event that the game is CPU heavy. The reason the PS4 Pro couldn't even do 1080p 60 frames per second was because of the CPU will the Xbox One X CPU is barely better. 2. 1 vs 2.3ghz. The Xbox one has much more RAM and way more GPU power but the CPUs are almost identical. The reason why the GPU is so much better on the Xbox as they want native 4K but the CPU is holding it back for this particular game.

[Omega Zues]

Bingo. The Jaguar Cpu, while affordable is far from a benchmark breaking piece of hardware. Depending on how a title is developed, it could be heavily CPU dependant. As you pointed out, there's very little difference between the Pro and X CPUs.

[zerocarnage]

it's shady crap from any developer that obstructs another console from being better if it can be accomplished. It stuff like this from any of the 3 console devs that ticks me off. just because sony have a deal with destiny devs doesn't mean they should be allowed to dictate what happens with the development on another console, that kind of behaviour should be fineable and to me it was under corruption, if a government did this they'd be under review and be called in and evidence would be brought forward. I always said this industry is to unwatched and unregulated and it needs to change. If it isn't games developers getting away with releasing broken games it's console developers behaving like they own a country and using its funds to gain control of what ever they see fit regardless of how much shady crap they do.

destiny could of easily been made into better than what the PlayStation version is being made. To me Sony can deny it all they like I don't trust them at all as it's obvious what's happened here and more fool the destiny devs for action all bitch to a console dev that much.

[nicsaysdie]

Dude, no one is getting 60FPS on consoles because we have multiple machines in each family of consoles. Let me explain it so you can understand. Some machines can't do 60 FPS without severely limiting resolution, if at all. So we don't want the more powerful system to trounce the less powerful system just because it's more powerful. We want to trounce or be trounced based purely on the skill of the player. Get over it. If you want 4k/60FPS play on pc and stfu.

[GamingCentaur]

E3 has brought out the crazies.
Tin foil hats on people.

[FPS_D3TH]

Right? Is it so hard to understand that Xbox One X players will still be playing with Xbox one players? Logic is hard these days

[UltimateRacer]

Not all developers are going to use the X extra juice.

[FPS_D3TH]

Holy hell. If you actually believed Sony did this, you're very much so a fanboy.

[Elda]

Business is business MS did it last gen & this gen as well.

[FPS_D3TH]

This has all to do with being able to play with other gamers on Xbox one but fanboys will cling to whatever supports their ridiculous claims and views. All I have to say is I'm not surprised there are so many clueless gamers here talking like they think they know something.

[MagicBeanz]

Its ok Sony dont worry about it the only people accusing you of that are people who are looking for excuses for "the beast" and Microsoft's inability to make good on their claims.

[Wallstreet37]

All those True 4k followers which we now know mostly means checkerboarding 4K are feeling like dummies now lol "Yeah we told you so" (go look under microsofts True 4K logo and see :) It's everytime they eating crow lol Only the less demanding games will be native and please don't use Forza as an example, racers generally are less demanding and even GT on ps3 was 1080 p and fluctuating 60fps :) I would hope Forza is native.

Next up!!!! "Arena" destruction lol there already setting it up and what we saw graphically of campaign was lol f ugly haha

Don't get me wrong COD checkerboarding looks great in games but I have to laugh at the fanatics who never listen and are always wrong. BTW pro has some native 4K games too :)

[Jodicus6645]

It's the damn CPU you conspiracy theorist. Digital Foundry even said they doubt Xbox One (Scoprio at the time) X would be able to run it at 60fps. Because Bungie themselves said it was a CPU issue. Stop making up drama the Xbox One X just is not capable of running it. Want to throw shade at someone throw it at Bungie and Activision whom refuse to use dedicated servers which had they used would of freed up CPU resources and probably would of allowed every platform Xbox One to PS4, Pro and Xbox One X to run at 60fps.

[Armyntt]

Don't say "throw shade" unless you're a 16 year old girl from the west coast. Your statement was right on until u said that.

[Jodicus6645]

Yeah this is real mature and productive reply...thanks for being a part of the problem...I think...good talk?

[Silly gameAr]

I feel like this is a bad joke.

[Sevir]

TO think people Sony was doing this is mind blowing! Like Sony is forcing Sumo Digital to make Crackdown 3 run at 30fps on One X... Sony is forcing Ubisoft Montreal to make AC:Origins run at Dynamic 4k even though Microsoft is marketing AC:Origins!

Y'all are so pressed!

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Just 3 years ago people mad about PS4 getting held back by Xone parity deals. Oh how quikly people forget .

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Okay fine. Bungie can you explain what performance improvements XOX users can experience given that the XOX is more powerful than the PS4 Pro and PS4 combined?

[cellfluid]

I guess sony made a deal to make crackdown run @ 30fps to huh? Typical plastic man reaching lol

[trooper_]

You know, if Microsoft didn't start that nonsense about true 4k, this wouldn't be a thing.

Don't blame Sony for your ignorance and stupidity.

[conanlifts]

I was always under the impression that it was bungie who wanted the gameplay experience to be the same on both platforms. So with this in mind wouldn't any parity (if it exists) be a business decision by bungie.

As for content deals...I don't care about skins and a random extra weapon makes no difference to me. The only thing I dislike is withholding levels, missions etc that you can actually play.

[EatCrow]

They also denied about not being open to crossplay across systems. And then...well we know what happened.

[Silly gameAr]

What? People like you made it a bigger deal then it really was? Xbox fanboys jumped on that like it was dinner time. You coming in here just to add that that little tidbit says more than enough.

[EatCrow]

Nah. Youre making it seem like its that big a deal not me.
Just pointing out the obvious. I dont care for crossplay it doesnt affect me.

But just cause it doesnt affect me doesnt mean I dont think it should happen. If it does good if not then maybe next gen.

[ShadowWolf712]

Crossplay would require linking a PSN account with Xbox Live. Between MS using that to fluff up their competing numbers AND the fact that it means MS has access to their users' account info, I don't blame them for saying no.

That said, trying to hide behind "won't someone think of the children" was stupid.

[NeoGamer232]

So Bungie is just being lazy... Not a shock.

[ajax17]

Damn it, Sony don't do what MSFT did last gen!

[Kaze88]

Its because x1x players will be playing with x1 players, they wont have double fps compared to those players. in pvp x1 players would have bad disatvantage.

[Mister_G]

Yeah, because MS have never had parity clauses /s

[nicsaysdie]

@darthv72
Stfu with this bull about "Sony is bad because they exclusively got sfv." firstly, Capcom stated they would not have made the game if it wasn't for Sony's funding. Meaning it wouldn't have existed at all at that time. Secondly, I don't know if you know this, but Capcom wasn't faring too well at that time either. And lastly, sfv isn't even that good anyway. If anything you should be thankful that Sony helped fit the bill and possibly paved the road for capcom to make enough back on it, to push resident evil and marvel v Capcom out. Mvc has always been better than sf anyway, and thankfully that's multiplat. What about titanfall, a game where the developers had to publish exclusively through Microsoft so they could offset cost. Sounds just like the sfv situation to me. You know what's really shady? Creating a marketing ad for cologne to try and skirt the marketing deal bungie had with Sony with the first Destiny. Or maybe you need to be reminded of the time a game was revealed with an exclusive banner only to later be clarified that it was only timed exclusive until after the holiday 2016 period, a'la rise of the tomb raider. That's shady.

[milohighclub]

having the game run the same as on base models is a load of bollocks if you ask me. screws over the people who spent all that cash on the new one, just to have it play the same as the old one. if people on the old models don't like it they should upgrade. if they can't afford to upgrade then it sucks for them but at the end of the day, the new models cost a lot of money, even people that upgrade may not have been able to afford n have had to save up, n for what? it to run exactly the same? they need to rethink this crap.

60fps better be standard for all games next gen.

[DivineAssault]

Glad they arent.. I want xbox to have their own unique titles unavailable/achievable on PS4. They didnt show anything this year but maybe some are in the works that push me to get it.. Im going to wait on a price drop before getting it though.. No way im giving them $500 of my money simply because its stronger for 3rd party..

[mahmoods26]

If I see Gears of War running at 60 fps with 4K on your console. Then I'll believe you. Till then F off.

[Grievous]

People with actual knowledge of hardware have been saying all the time that the CPU in the Xbox One X is only marginally faster than the one in the Pro. There probably won't be a single game that runs at 30 FPS on the Pro and 60 FPS on the XBox One X unless it is extremely heavily GPU limited.

[houyi111]

So, before this E3 every shortcomings XBOX made are because of Don Mattrick. After this E3 it will all because of Sony..

[corroios]

Lol, but why would a jag machine run the game at 60 frames? If even first party games dont run at 60 frames on x at 4k? This isnt a racer.

[Cobra951]

See? The Gamespot interviewer in the earlier story was trying to get a rise out of Phil Spencer. It was a loaded question, meant to put Phil on the spot. Shame on them.

[Harmy666]

"Not to my knowledge"

"activity where likely none exists"

This isn't Sony denying, it's the marketing head saying, as far as he knows, this isn't happening.

It's either Sony lying about not wanting to be beaten by Xbox.

Or lazy development on Bungie's side.

Either way, it's bad.

If devs have the power of XOX or PSPro, they should make every effort to utilize the power available.

[ShadowWolf712]

The Destiny deal was made before PS4 and Xbone were even out, but the PS4 was, on paper, more powerful then. By a good margin.

The idea of "Parity" wouldn't even exist to them at that time. "Destiny 2" is not a new or separate deal.

And, again, MS has First Party games running only at 30fps, including Crackdown, and has Assassin's Creed Origins saying they had to use Dynamic 4k to keep to 30fps. And MS has the marketing deal for that game. That's why Phil then came out and said "most people don't care about frame rate".

[DialgaMarine]

Whoever thought this was the case is a moron. Might as well be claiming the studios behind games like Gears and Crackdown were paid off by Sony too, seeing as those games are only 30 FPS.

[Kavorklestein]

Stop splitting hairs, you can't just associate concepts from a very possible/probable scenario, and sprinkle in some impossibly sarcastic, over-the-top scenario and act like they are the same thing happening for the same reasons...when they are not.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

Of course they didn't , If only the xbone S was the one that did it.

[jokerisalive]

In the end if a dev caves for a platform to compromise the others then they are just being bitches. Optimize each platform t the fullest to show the potential of their software relative to the hardware. If Sony is forcing them then Sony are just trying to cover their asses with the weaker hardware when the X releases. However the Pro is quite capable and should be able to put out pretty good results comparable to the X either way so if I am Sony I would not be worried in the least bit and make sure the developers push the Pro version 100% to the fullest of its capabilities.

[1nsomniac]

Of course they have. Both Microsoft & Sony will always try & force parity to keep up with one another.

[gamer7804]

i'll just get it a year later then since marketing deals

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Good, lets move on...its a bad thing and I truly hope it never happens on any side of the coin. Tech should never be held back by a marketing deal. Timed exclusive content sucks but I get it and when the window is shorter say 3-6 months I don't find it as offensive but when its longer it gets really ugly in my eyes. Tomb Raider, Destiny, etc... those kinds of deals I would rather see vanish. The Capcom/Sony Street Fighter deals are horrible and gamers should not support keeping an entire game off a platform forever. That is 100% a bad direction for our industry.

[Snakeyes646]

of course Sony is forcing parity with the PS4 and of course they are gonna deny it.

[gangsta_red]

http://n4g.com/news/1600308...

Even back in the beginning when this was an issue, I thought it was nonsense. If this was really true I am sure the media would pick up on it and really expose anyone who did such a thing.

It really is good for the tin foil hat community though.

[McGlinchey12]

Another excuse that xbox cant run it at 60 either?

[Matrix6]

I was expecting to read some sort of facts in the article in regards to the accusation, I couldn't find any.

[HyperMouse]

What bollocks ofcourse they are controlling every aspect of Destiny

[steveo123456]

x1x version gimped hard