Is Final Fantasy in Big Trouble?

Every bit of Final Fantasy VII Remake news is odd. What's up?

[Cobra951]

The claimed episodic nature of the remake is weird enough alone to kill my interest in it.

[Tankbusta40]

I guess I am not to worried about the episodic nature. I was highly skeptical when Hitman announced it was doing that but it actually turned out amazing. I got much more out of the game than I would have had it all released at one time and I just blew through the game, instead of trying to get each and every unique kill, which I had plenty of time to do in between episodes. Not sure how they will break up 7 but it shouldn't be all gloom and doom.

[_-EDMIX-_]

You would have had to wait for it for years anyway.

What does it matter how it releases when you could just wait to play all the parts in the final version?

[ShottyatLaw]

The idea of playing an rpg in pieces is not appealing to me. Completing a third of a FF game, waiting months, then playing the next third, etc, would never be an ideal way to experience that type of game.

As you point out, we could always just wait for all parts to release. My initial thought is why release it in episodes in the first place then? But I predict more people will be asking that as episodes start releasing.

This is SE we're talking about. Say this was a full FFVII remake. Would any of us be surprised if it and it was delayed one or more times? Now multiply that by 3. Part 1 will likely be delayed, causing Part 2 to be pushed back. They'll need some extra time to finish Part 2, only to have to then push back Part 3.

Those are the two reasons why going episodic matters to me. I'm sure this is being split up for financial reasons. In the end, I think that choice is only going to hurt them.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Shott- "The idea of playing an rpg in pieces is not appealing to me" smh. Oooook, lets try this again.

"when you could just wait to play all the parts in the final version?"

' we could always just wait for all parts to release. My initial thought is why release it in episodes in the first place then?"

For those that don't want to wait like you and me.

You do know that some might not care and would be ok playing it in parts right? How is that relevant to how you and I want to play this?

'Those are the two reasons why going episodic matters to me. "

The delay has nothing to do with being Episodic, if they had to delay based on needing to fix something, it would have been delayed to fix it regardless if it was in parts or as 1 game.

You still wait in the end anyway.

Red Dead 2 just got delayed, was that from being episodic?

" I'm sure this is being split up for financial reasons. In the end, I think that choice is only going to hurt them."

Thats the thing.

How is it hurting them?

You are waiting for a final version....

Those that don't want to wait can buy it in parts.

I fail to see how someone else getting a game a way they like, hurts you. You would have been waiting for this game regardless of how it as released. If anything releasing in parts gives them more money and feed back early to likely complete it faster then if they had no money coming in along with less feedback.

If 50 years goes by and you want to play the FFVII remake that came out for PS4, you telling how it ORIGINALLY released is going to hurt you? lol

MOST have very little logical reasoning on how this is hurting them other then being emotional and scared of something different, that is optional mind you.

lets say this comes out 2020 as a final thing.

I don't know how it would hurt you, if before 2020 it released in parts.

What does that have to do with its final ,complete 2020 release date?

Does renting games hurt you? I mean for you it could "never be an ideal way to experience that type of game".

OH so stop all renting, digital, episodic etc based on YOU don't feel its ideal? Never mind ITS AN OPTION YOU DON'T NEED TO PARTAKE IN?

[ShottyatLaw]

You asked why did it matter, so I told you.

If creating one, non-episodic game is fraught with delays, I would venture to guess that 3 games would too. Except now it is 3 delays. It's my opinion that focusing on one full game would actually lead to receiving the FULL game quicker. That matters to me.

I also suspect that parts 2 and 3 will sell less than part 1. That's just the nature of episodic games. Financially, this will affect SE. If their finances are strained enough for them to consider making their most beloved RPG into episodes, I'm not confident that the episodes 2 and 3 will get the full treatment if sales are low. That matters to me.

I am a fan of the original game. It was a grand adventure that I got lost in 20 years ago. A fully developed remake would satisfy me, but hopefully would lead to new players falling in love with it too. Maybe this encourages SE to finally try to top it like they promised a few years back. I personally think that type of experience is lost by episodic releases. That's why it matters to me.

They had also better hope that each part is $20 or less. If the full game comes out to more than $60, I'm guessing the internet will take issue with that. Just a guess.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Shott- "If creating one, non-episodic game is fraught with delays, I would venture to guess that 3 games would too. Except now it is 3 delays"

LMFAO!

Its still the delay of 1 game bud. How many parts its in is irrelevant. If they must fix something, it will be fixed, how many parts the game is in is irrelevant. Games are actually made by part during development.

Its irrelevant to someone looking to buy it years from now as 1 thing.

What does a delay of a part of a game matter to you if you are buying it as 1 complete game?

Red Dead 2 was just delayed. It means something needed to be fixed, how many parts that the game is in is irrelevant.

Something needed to be fixed, thus delay.

You still crying over how OTHER PEOPLE want to play a game?

"They had also better hope that each part is $20 or less. If the full game comes out to more than $60, I'm guessing the internet will take issue with that"

What does that matter to you, you don't want to buy it episodically, wait.

" I personally think that type of experience is lost by episodic releases. That's why it matters to me"

LMFAO! A game coming out in PARTS AS AN OPTION, is hurting you?

Are you not buying this as one complete part when its complete?

So how can episodic release hurt your "experience" if you are not even buying it through this method?

That is as dumb as saying "renting" hurts the "experience" OHHHH THEN DON'T RENT!

Problem solved.

Let those that do buy their games that way worry about it. Non-issue and literally stupid. You having a mental breakdown over other people playing games a different way. What if I told you I play my games 1 hour each day? That killing you too? You going to cry over that or?? do you not understand just how slow that logic is?

Your crying about an option you don't need to partake in. Get over it and move on. Its just silly and immature, you throwing a tantrum over options. smh.

Buy it when its 1 final thing. Stop tearing up over options you don't need to buy, I don't even think I'M BUYING IT in parts, but I'm not going to argue over someone else wanting to. Thats their choice.

I don't rent my games, doesn't mean I'm going to attack those that do. Its irrelevant to me.

" A fully developed remake would satisfy me "

Thats nice. Then wait til its 100% complete. Done. You get your complete game. Why are you still crying for? LOL! I love how waiting isn't an option for you.

[ShottyatLaw]

And if Part 2 needs work? Delay. Part 3 not quite done? Delay. You really think SE is going to hit shipment dates on all 3 releases? Each one could be delayed on their own. I think focusing on the full game and not worrying about hitting their launch dates would mean the FULL game would come quicker.

Not crying, just don't think RPGs should go this route. If it succeeds, then we're looking at more games going this route.

If it fails? Are we confident Part 3 wouldn't get half-assed or canceled altogether? You keep saying it's a choice, but I'm failing to see where anyone asked for this choice. If most of us choose to wait, maybe Part 2 or 3 take longer to release, get canceled, or get less resources. Yay choice!

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Shot- "You keep saying it's a choice, but I'm failing to see where anyone asked for this choice"

Thats nice.

Buy it the way you want.

You don't really even understand what choice is bud. If you want it as a final disk, complete, you are still waiting regardless.

More money, means it gets made faster, more feed back means it gets made better.

Less money and less feedback don't really mean a faster game bud lol

What does it matter to you if you are just getting it as 1 disk?

The choice is based on HOW YOU want to play it.

We all have to wait for FFVII remake.

You simply choose to wait longer to play it a certain way.

That ok, but that is also your choice. Your having a hard, hard time even trying to paint it as a bad thing other then crying over other folks choices to play it in parts.

I played Life Is Strange and bought the disk....

I never waited for its releases as parts, I simply waited til it was done, but isn't that what we are dong for MOST games?

How Life Is Strange released in parts, is irrelevant to me.

I played it off a disk, my choice is to play my games that way.

Soo.......I played it that way. How someone else is playing it is none of my business. Its irrelevant to me.

[LAWSON72]

It is not episodic is going to be trilogy.

https://www.google.com/amp/...

[NapalmSanctuary]

You mean like Star Wars episodes IV, V & VI?

[LAWSON72]

The article implies that.

They mention similarly to FFXIII, which even though quality varies they are big games. So I would not call similarly to Star Wars, The Hobbit, LOTR far off especially since it is planned to be produced the way very much unlike FFXIII

[Horseygamer]

not episodic!!!! its to larger game to fit on one disk as it was in the 90's so it was ship on 3 disc in one box so you could argue the original was episodic!!!!

[jznrpg]

I'll wait to see the final prodcut. If theymake the game in 3 discs and its good I wont care if its made in parts. Being essentially 3 games will allow them to further explain the story so it may bit be bad in the end, but then again they could screw it up. Wait and see for me

[Eldyraen]

Maybe they'll remake ffxv in a few years as an episodic game to further expand what the story glosses over? The whole Prompto thing that turns into a "cool story bro" and "whatever" by his buds and then is just dropped completely?

I'm much more interested in what they could do to expand 7 then with what they basically just glossed over in 15 (and I loved 15).

[inxine]

the problem is not the franchise itself, its their producers. i mean we have a guy working on 5 games at the same time, has a reputation that his games always come out late if at all. thats the problem.

[Nintendew]

Waiting for " sorry guys!, did 2 years work only to find out it was the wrong game, heartless dosent belong in FF7 remake. "

[inxine]

right? lol im just sick of it, weve vbeen waiting for kh3 for years now, we've waited for ff15 for 10 years. like if its to much try to concentrate on one or two at a time .

[Tross]

Wasn't FFXV highly successful? I mean, it was in development hell for a long time, but it came out of it remarkably well. I doubt the FFVII remake will truly make or break the franchise at this point. We will probably see a FFXVI at some point. Probably no time soon, but I don't think FF is anywhere close to done.

[Tankbusta40]

Yeah I am sure the devs know that whatever they do with this remake people will be furious(similar to the outrage 15 got for not being turn based) so they are taking their time and trying to get as much right as they can.

[rulparra]

FINAL FANTASY is in trouble after FFX.

[Nintendew]

That's what I said, FF series went down hill after X.

[on_line_forever]

i hope square enix do a remake for VAGRANT STORY with same game play and combat in dark souls 3 and replace the idea of hitting enemy body parts ( head, hand , leg .. etc ) with the idea that we see in the surge .

it will be Awesome specially if they let from software and Miyazaki do this remake

[nommers]

Nice sexy clickbait pic you got there.

[meka2611]

It is and isn't because I've heard rumors they might tone down tifa for the remake.

[Viryu]

It really puts her personality on the front page.

[jaycptza]

that is a cool picture, does anyone have a link to high-rez version?

[DivineAssault]

If they dont get back in the habit of traditional turn base combat the series will fall.. Sure it was only used due to limitations but thats what gave the games charm and they can focus on a kick ass story..

[Godmars290]

Since FF10.

Not with FF10 per say, just that's when the franchise started going off the rails.

[TheColbertinator]

Nomura is just unable to deliver console based experiences in a timely manner anymore.

[NapalmSanctuary]

To be fair, they've had the guy working on multiple projects for years. They need to let work on one thing until completion before bothering him with anything else. SE treats game development like a corporate assembly line.

[Shadyceaser]

Never liked the game ... It always seemed a bit of a chore to me .... But in saying that I haven't played the last 5 versions.

[NecoTehSergal]

cheatcc.com with Clickbait and a Titty-thumbnail, gee, I wonder if it's articles like these that made it so I blacklisted them.

[WickedLester]

Can we please ban all articles that end in a question mark?

[BlahBlahWhatever]

If SE ruin the next FF like that horrible trash abomination FFXV & most of all if they fail to deliver with the remake of FFVIIIR then expect major drop in sales because thousands if not millions of fans are not gonna forgive them for this ever!

[Summons75]

13 did decently despite the ignorant hate train trying their hardest to trash it (wasn't the greatest FF but it was fun/middle of the pack game). FF15 broke records and is doing well with tons of support happening and on the way. FF7 is going to unsurprisingly do exceptionally well especially if they keep their promise of fixing the gigantic plot holes and give the characters actual stories to make them (hopefully) likable and with the expanded story being in three parts won't be a problem (like the crybabies think it is). FF14 is going strong.

So no FF is far from being in even a little trouble let alone "big trouble".

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

Get out of here with this damn logic Summons lol

[FallenAngel1984]

"Nomura doesn’t seem super reliable"

People seem to forget that Nomura also had to direct KH 358/2 Days,KH: BBS, KH:c, KH3D, KH1.5, KH2.5, KHuX, & KH2.8 in the time he was supposed to beaso working on FFXV & KH3.

Square Enix happens to have a bad habit of assigning him to direct multiple major projects at a time. They never do this with any other of their internal directors, and if they did people would say they were "unreliable" as well.

Yes Hajime Tabata finally gave us FFXV, but that was the only game he was directing at the time so of course he was effective at it. Nomura on the other hand has to divide his attention to both KH3 & FFVIIR at the same time, which is no easy feat considering how important each project is. Not even Nintendo had Shigeru Miyamoto working on so many large projects at a time.

[Harkins1721]

Play other games while you wait. Problem solved

[i3eyond the Circle]

Just another example of games with no foreseen release dates that supposedly win e3s. Yeah right.

A bunch of hot air and when you explain that to the zealots...its like it releases tomorrow.

[Pearljam]

They said today we won't be seeing KH3 or the remake for at least 3-4 years lol I'm done with Square Enix

[SideNote]

Should have made a straight up pretty port, not a different game altogether.

[Artemidorus]

This has definitely been killed off for next generation gaming.

[BeOpenMinded]

I'm one of those who was greatly disappointed by the latest entry. I found the game monotonous and easy so didn't finish. Didn't like Hitmans episodes also so a double whammy. I want FF to be great but may going in mass effects direction of underwhelmingness.

[sk8ofmnd]

https://www.google.com/amp/...

[3-4-5]

FF7 remake will release for the PS4/PS5 during the PS5's first year and so it will look outdated and the amazing appeal of the game will kind of be somewhat lost a little because it won't be made from the ground up for the PS5.

[Last_Boss]

Heard the real problem that plagues Square Enix. They need to commit to the story and characters 1st! Stop trying to top themselves in visuals. Also don't over fill their plate of projects.

[jagstar44]

Their studios need serious restructure, most game developers can bang out an awesome game in 3-4 years. square take forever and ffxv was still unfinished. even simple remasters can take 2 years for them.

[TheOttomatic91]

That author pic ugh clear SJW here it feels to me a lot of his "facts" is just conjecture.

[CobraKai]

I confess. I clicked on the article simply because of Tifa's rack.

[steveo123456]

Dunno about the game but nice norks

[TheVetOfGaming]

They aren't the same company anymore. Up until Ps3 era, they churned out the hits.

[Zeroyosh]

So FFVII was a huge game, it took so long to finish, I am a fan of huge games, I can get lost in a game for hours, but most can't. in fact I wager most people that played FFVII didn't finish it, and if they did, skipped a lot of content. it was long ass game, it could have been broken into sagas very easily. I don't think I mind them doing just that. I Think more people will see more of the game and it's content that way.

I just hope it has a slightly lower price point. maybe 39.99 entry...and they dont try to charge 60 a game, because that would suck

[Zabatsu]

I'm actually looking more forward to hearing about Hironobu Sakaguchi's announcement that was supposed to come around this year, regarding his new game. You know, founding father of the real Final Fantasy series. Not this bull**** mediocre company that Square Enix has become.

[DJ]

Episodic is what led to Hitman's weak sales, so I doubt Square will go ahead with breaking FF7 remake into 3 games. Now that Square is FINALLY making FF7 in-house instead of outsourcing the damn thing, maybe they'll get it out at the end of this console cycle. Holiday 2020 seems likely since they will have to rebuild the entire game from scratch. I'm guessing turning it into an action game didn't really work out...