"Our game's this rich physics simulation. It wouldn't run - not enough horsepower there yet."
This is ridiculous. DON'T MAKE IT 4K THEN! This is not on the PS Pro. This is an awful development decision in my opinion.
Yeah give me FPS over 4k
who the F..K! cares if the game literally runs or not 4K on PS4pro?? ...i say None except some people who already try to overtonely promote a next gen console AKA Scorpio...
....okay... So yeah FPS over 4k...
As much as people want FPS over 4K (which I agree with)...BOTH Sony & Microsoft have policies that neither Pro nor Scorpio can run games at higher frame rates than the other sku's within the same family of consoles. And I'm not sure vanilla PS4 or vanilla XB1 can run Destiny 2 at 60fps regardless of any compromises Bungie could make.
@uptownsoul "BOTH Sony & Microsoft have policies that neither Pro nor Scorpio can run games at higher frame rates than the other sku's within the same family of consoles" The policies you mentioned only applies to MP modes in first party tittles from both Sony and Microsoft.
@Obscure_Observer - "The policies you mentioned only applies to MP modes in first party tittles from both Sony and Microsoft." The policies do not only apply to first party titles, the policy applies to MP modes of ALL titles. Microsoft wants all XB1s (vanilla, S & Scorpio owners) to play MP modes together on BOTH 1st party titles & 3rd party multplats. Sony has the same policy for their PS4 line of hardware
@Obscure_Observer I stand corrected...Xbox does NOT mandate frame rates between consoles even on MP Mike Ybarra just confirmed it https://twitter.com/XboxQwi...
@uptownsoul http://www.eurogamer.net/ar... I understand your point though. I don´t think MS would allow third party devs to give an edge to Scorpio owners over the Xbox One owners. If the Scorpio turn out to be able to run Destiny at 60fps, they might just choose to use dynamic resolution for the Xbox One version to maintain locked 60fps just like Gears of War, Halo 5 and BF1. ;)
@uptownsoul "I stand corrected...Xbox does NOT mandate frame rates between consoles even on MP Mike Ybarra just confirmed it https://twitter.com/XboxQwi... That is quite interesting, although Scorpio doesn't really have a next gen CPU either it is still more powerful than the PS4 Pro so we will have to wait and see. The most disturbing reason if it didn't offer 60fps on Scorpio would be Sony forcing parity as part of their agreement with Activision/Bungie. Either way it looks like the PC version is the one to get because I can tell right away the difference in response times, it just makes the experience so much more enjoyable to me.
Do you guys care to read? It's CPU bound, no matter what resolution, it wouldn't be possible to hit 60fps.
@UptownSoul That isn't true in the case of MS. https://twitter.com/XboxQwi... https://twitter.com/XboxQwi... Then combine that with the fact that MS also allows XB1 to Play Gears of War 4 to play with PC, which can run a much higher FPS Edit: Ok, I see you got this...NM
@uptownsoul you are right, so why lie about it!
Bungie and Activision are such trash. Resogun has far more physics calculations and runs @ 60fps without a hiccup, lmao. I hope Destiny 2 flops HARD.
This was obvious I would say. Scorpio is the same. To double the framerate would require either a different engine or a cpu with 2.5x the cpu power of base hardware. 4k is fairly easy to implement on the other hand.
I'd argue more people have 60-120hz/FPS-capable monitors than there are fucking customers with 4K TV's -_-
As a PC gamer I be all like; FPS > game quality settings > Resolution. I'll do whatever it takes to get 120FPS.
The game is also A PS4 GAME... ITS ENGINE IS BASED ON BASE PS4... if it's 60 on PS4 Pro then it would need to be 60 GPS on PS4.... Which would mean concession and cut corners on physics, lighting, graphics AI, textures, character models and and the size of the worlds, weapons gear etc.... Also, pushing for 60 GPS on PS4 Pro makes for an unbalanced multi-player gaming experience for base PS4 since they share the same servers. Destiny at its core is 30fps, run perfectly fine, and it's shooting and polished game play mechanics is pristine... They game runs without a hitch. So complaining about 60 fps is stupid... The Scorpio version will also be 30fps for the very same reason... It's based off the 30 fps version of XBO... Sharing the same multi-player servers making it 60 fps on Scorpio breaks the game experience on core XBO and XBO S which the game was made to support at base levels... It's like you've all forgotten... The Scorpio and Pro are not next generation Hardware, they are iterative enhanced refreshes of the SAME DAMN FAMILY of consoles!!! You want a 60 fps Destiny 2 experience? Go play on your PC... Developers will always choose what is best balance for sake of performance. Get the hell over yourselves with this elitist BS... Game development isn't easy and these developers do so much into making a damn good polished multi-player experience that's 100% solid and consistent across every platform they've released this game on in the past. Leave your friends list and console of choice behind and go choose a PC if you really seem 60 fps a deal breaker... You now have that option.
No way. 4k over fps any day! 30fps is fine for me. Just because you and many others haven't upgraded to a 4k tv, doesn't mean us 4k adopters should have to suffer. Make it an option then and choose from fps or 4k. Then everyone can be happy.
It isn't a dial they turn to turn up FPS or turn down resolution to give or take room for physics simulation. It doesn't always scale so linearly. It may turn out that even without 4K it couldn't run at 60fps.
I would have preferred 60fps, then the pro/Scorpio can use their extra processing power for higher res (I'd accept even 1440p)
@ Septic Both Sony and Microsoft are prioritising resolution over frame rates, if their marketing is anything to go by. And I cannot imagine that third-party publishers are going to want to upset the status quo when it comes to multiplayer, or the several million people who already own the original console. ----- @ moldybread "The most disturbing reason if it didn't offer 60fps on Scorpio would be Sony forcing parity as part of their agreement with Activision/Bungie" Look at him setting up his narrative already.
I dont give a toss about campaign. Make it 720p, 1080p 1400p 30fps but the real issue here is the 4 VS 4 player on player is running 30fps. For F××× sake. People always wonder why CoD continues to sell....simple 60fps. Year's ago i didnt know much about these frame rate but i always felt that playing COD felt ultra smooth and fast and when moved to another FPS shooter it felt slow and not so smooth. I learned it was the higher frame rate that was why COD felt this way. Higher frame rate in competitive MP should always take priority at any cost. Its the big reason i couldnt enjoy FPS.
I think they would of if they could.
Totally agree. Sony has been their prime partners from the very beggining, no reason to lie about it.
Sure, Activison and Bungie would never lie.
Am I the only that is okay with 30fps? I didn't mind it on destiny.
Doubt it. IF the base PS4 and XBO couldn't do 60fps, there's no reason they would even try with the Pro or Scorpio because it would cause a fps rift between the consoles, with Pro players having 2x the fps as base model players. That would suck for a game that's heavily focused on an online world when it comes to consistent performance. For Pro players it would be great, but they would have an advantage in all aspects, which defeats the point of console consistency. PS4 Pro and Scorpio will simply be resolution boosting machines, with at times better textures and anti aliasing. I'll save my $400 - $600, on the PS5 and XB4.
They said it pretty clear in the article. Their problem is, its CPU bound. Not enough faster from PS4 o Pro to make this 60fps to begin with.
I'm with you DirkDady Destiny 1 ran at 30 fps at it was one of the best feeling shooters I've ever played. I mean it just played and felt perfect. Why change that? Also, Erik7357 -- "Would have", not "would of" That's the second time is as many articles I've seen somebody do that. Infuriating. lol
This comment shows zero understanding of how game development works. They designed the game with a graphical focus, not a performance focus. We see other games at 60fps, so obviously any of the consoles are "capable" of 60fps. This game is not 60fps because it was a design decision. What he really means is, "we couldn't run it at 60fps on the Pro because we optimized the game to run at 30fps on consoles". He cited the CPU as the issue, which means it'll be the same deal on the Scorpio as well.
Hmm... According some users from N4G, Scorpio wouldn´t be able to run Destiny 2 at 60fps either since it has the same Jaguar processor as the PS4 Pro slightly overclocked :/