Xbox Scorpio vs PS4 Pro: The Truth About What To Expect

There has been a lot of misinterpretation by the media and consumers alike regarding the recently announced Xbox Scorpio specs and how it compares to the PS4 Pro. I've been hearing things like "Xbox Scorpio's massive power advantage..." or "the Xbox Scorpio specs blow the PS4 Pro's specs away..." etc which is not true. There is no question that the Scorpio will have more raw horsepower than the PS4 Pro, but if the reveal by Digital Foundry told us one thing, it's that the Xbox Scorpio is not a radical departure in hardware from the current consoles on the market.

[skydragoonityx]

The truth is that the Pro will as usual pump out great spectacular looking games. While the scorpio is a very powerful console.

[freshslicepizza]

so according to you games like red dead redemption 2 dont really count because they aren't exclusive? what a weird place this is where all the attention seems to be on exclusives. but let me know when crackdown 3, state of decay 2, and sea of thieves comes to the pro.

the truth is this, the pro will pump out great looking games while scorpio will pump out even better looking games and perhaps better performance as well.

[DrumBeat]

I've always thought that Sony's first party studios squeeze the Playstation hardware better than Microsoft's first party studios squeeze the Xbox One's.

Third party games on Scorpio may look better, but will Microsoft's first parties be able to trump Sony's? I don't think so. Even with a better GPU and more RAM.

[Elda]

I have a Pro & I wouldn't want any of those XBO exclusives on the Pro because they look absolutely uninteresting.The Pro may be a little underwhelming of the Scorpio when it comes to power but exclusives is what makes a console & so far I'm with the console that's been having the best & fun exclusives so far.I'm curious what XBO will be showing this year but if it's the same boring stuff they've been showing in the past I'll pass like I've been doing.

[Death]

@elda,

That is a great point. What some people don't understand is there are gamers that aren't interested in most of Sony exclusives just like gamers like you don't like Xbox exclusives. The people that aren't interested in the Sony exclusives that enjoy Microsoft exclusives not only have the games they want, but much more documented power, services and of course access to free b/c with their older library of games with enhancements.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Better performance is a forgone conclusion. It will perform substantially better.

[ShadowKnight]

@Moldybread

Needs more than 3rd party games. E3 is almost here for Microsoft.😁

[LexHazard79]

@TheDBD,
What 343i did with Halo 4 on Xbox 360 was great...
Both Forza series are great as well...
Gears looks good, Recore, QB... Im sure with the extra power you're gonna see some good competition from MS 1P in the looks department.
Thats not to say that Sonys 1p arent great, but theyve had some great hardware to work with in PS3 and PS4.

I know that on the original Xbox 1P games looked awesome. So did 3rd party. Dont think Sony studios are the only ones with talent.

[WickedLester]

Oh look, it's the Xbox defense force.

[CVTURBO]

LOL at Sea of Thieves

[SonyAddict]

You are stale moldybread!

[krypt1983]

@DBD somebody hasn't seen gears4k or horizon 3 4k such a shame, and turn 10s open world new ip people seem forget about that. The pro will look great but it won't look great and support 60fps scropio will facts.
@rico none of those games have been announced play anywhere even though i image sea of thieves will because its more of a service then a game

[Masta Kaos]

Multiplatform games will pay the same on PS4 and Scorpio reason being 50 Million PS4 Consoles sold.

[Markusb33]

The problem is you can't convince a Sony fan that Scorpio is amazing and the same for an xbox fan. Thing is u don't have any interest in xb exclusives, the reason I bought ps4 was for their studios and continued content. All this arguing for me us just words. Scorpio can do anything it can and I'll be happy playing the games on the system I bought. No stress no worries.

[REDGUM]

Stop mentioning games with numbers after it...
Crackdown 3
State of decay 2
Why not add a halo or gears of war to your list. Wheres the intelegence to add new IP's or games in general?
They are getting boring to listen to those titles anymore.
Where's your answer to Bloodborne, Horizon Zero Dawn, Nioh, Nier Automata, Days gone?

Sure we could go down the path of mentioning...
Uncharted games
The lost legacy
Killzone games
The last of us

But we dont.need to keep mentioning them as we are moving forward not sideways & repetitive.

[freshslicepizza]

@Masta Kaos
"Multiplatform games will pay the same on PS4 and Scorpio reason being 50 Million PS4 Consoles sold."

really? so according to you there are 50 million ps4 pro systems out there since games like battlefield one play better and look better on the pro compared to the regular ps4? sorry to tell you the bad news, even the original xbox got better multiplat games and that had far less systems than the ps2.

@REDGUM
"Stop mentioning games with numbers after it...Why not add a halo or gears of war to your list. Wheres the intelegence to add new IP's or games in general?"

speaking of "INTELEGENCE" , is sea of thieves too long for you to type or is the word intelligence too hard?

[Kribwalker]

@redgum
You do realize nier automatica is a sequel to a multiplat game.and the other games, not everyone's interested in souls knock offs. Horizon is pretty good, I'm playing through that right now.

@masta
Well we have already been confirmed the new mordor will play best on the Scorpio so your statement is false

[vegasgamerdawg]

Welcome to N4G where fanBOY's flock to their confirmation bias. "The Truth About What To Expect"- Opinion piece.(Opinion-a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge...LMFAO!)<-----Yo u've got to be stupid not seeing the red flags before reading the article. Fanboys went right to work, I grantee it. According to the N4G fanBOY fantasy made up rules, if a game is on PC it's not an exclusive. Now that PS Now is playing Ps4 games, Ps4 will no longer has exclusives. How can they use the same
argument? You're arguing with deranged children brainwashed from TV and their own confirmation bias. Give up.
"Scorpio is console hardware pushed to a new level"-Opinion and analysis from Digital Foundry's Rich Leadbetter.

I'll paraphrase then I'll leave a link for the delusional fanBOYs. CUrrent hardware fixes bottlencks the PS4 don't. Making the same hardware more powerful. REALITY. Take the articles on N4G with a grain of salt, most are for children not wanting their bubble world burst. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[InTheZoneAC]

give me a list of interesting xbox exclusives...

[REDGUM]

Where's the intelligence you ask?
You one title of, & this is just for you here SEA OF THIEVES 'v' 6 titles that i mentioned.
1 'v' 6. I know which system I'd like to play on.

[DigitalRaptor]

It baffles me that every single time I come back here, I see moldybread literally putting words in other peoples mouths to defend Xbox. It's equivalent to lying, either that or he's just plain awful at comprehension. Exactly nothing this person said relates to what he's harping on about in defence of Scorpio. What does that really tell you?

[ArmrdChaos]

There is some irony for you. =)

[LexHazard79]

The Scorpio is gonna pump out greater spectacular looking games because its very powerful.

[Rude-ro]

They will be pumping out Xbox one games. Period.
One game, aspects of it dialed up for 4k.
Just like how the pro dials up PS4 games.
Do you truly believe it will be anything else?
If the developers have to make Xbox one games, those versions are the ones getting boosted.

[Suwarbox1]

Ps4's firty games will look better than MS' first party games, I bet on that.

[krypt1983]

Wrong sony will kill themselves if they even consider launch ps5 Sooner then 2020.

[Xb1ps4]

E3 is going to explode when ms announces they purchased rockstar games

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol if you're going to dream and be delusional may as well do it big

[Xb1ps4]

@harryputtar

Having rockstar as a first party wouldn't exactly be shit now would it... or would they all of the sudden be shit because it's a ms first party?!

[Aenea]

Would even explode more when Sony announces they bought CD Project Red!

See how stupid that is???

[Ashlen]

You know Rockstar is owned by Take-Two, right?

[TheCommentator]

The truth is actually unknown, but the interviews about the tech in Scorpio and the Forza 6 demo seem to contradict the "truth" of this opinion piece.

[iDadio]

Because as it stands we have no 'truth', so far we have impressive specs and some nice sounding optimisations capable of some meaty graphical output.

What we don't know however is how well used this will be. We know Scorpio ain't getting exclusives so it could potentially get hampered by the X1 versions, potentially.

The question mark that needs answering is are devs going to go to the effort of creating higher graphical fidelity assets for a console user base that will be under 2 percent of total? As a PC gamer I sadly know all about developers pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Time will tell, until then it'll be mass downplaying by Sony fans (wether it be jealousy or brand loyalty) arguing with with Xbots who lap up the PR talk with having 0 technical understanding and throw garbage out like all games will be better.

[S2Killinit]

Exactely. I dont think it would turn out to be a wise decision to pick scorpio for mere power.

[PrinceOfAnger]

So forza horizon 3 and gears 4 isn't great spectacular looking games? What about battlefront 2 red dead redemption 2 middle earth shadow of war ? And if you count the order as Great" then Quantum break and ryse are great spectacular looking games too!.

[SaltyyBae]

Gears 4 looks garbage. Have you even seen those shitty ass looking character models. Lol. Uc4 makes that game look like a joke

[theXtReMe1]

Great article that hits the nail on the head. Though, the real difference will come from the extra memory in the Scorpio. Around 8GB of which can be used for higher resolution textures, compared to the Pros 5.5GBs that is usable by developers. Though, its up to developers to use that extra memory and power. Which most third parties will probably go the way of the Pro and offer just resolution boosts, with extra fps from the better CPU.

Overall, the Scorpio will be the more powerful machine... though, we may not see that difference unless Microsoft pays a third party to specifically use that power, or a game is made specifically for it by one of its first party houses. Which is where Sony has the advantage, due to the number of first party devs it owns.

I own a Pro and will probably pass on the Scorpio. Though, that will depend on the games and Sonys target date for the PS5. I already have a big enough backlog on the PS4 and Pro, So, I cant imagine having two systems.

The good thing for gamers is, no matter which you own... you are going to be seeing some amazing games this fall and winter.

[Bigpappy]

I must say you guys make me smile. I hope Sony has a plan B or you guys are going
to tryingto defend pro for the next three years. That's
not going to be easy.

The differences are really much bigger than the numbers. The number are already large. RAM is the least of pro's bottle necks when put against the Scorpio

[theXtReMe1]

I was commending the Scorpio, while still remaining unbiased. You just made it abundantly obvious who "you guys" actually are.

[DigitalRaptor]

You guys have been making me smile all generation. Biggest flip-floppers of all time I reckon. I think at least Sony fans are not going to lie about Scorpio games looking or performing better, or not hold onto desperate PR for 3 years and write conspiracy theories about the "biased media", like Xbros have. Most of the criticism you guys are looking to offset is hilariously misplaced since designing a console that "doesn't target the highest end graphics" and thus not reaching an industry standard 1080p in 2013, is what got people wound up and ready to go after MS: http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

4K is not quite ready for prime time, yet it's certainly not laughable not to present sub-4K games in 2017 vs. sub-1080p games in 2013. There's no real grounds to compare the scenarios here, because the point of contention was not as it was a few years ago and with the struggle to reach 1080p.

The reality of the situation is that Scorpio will give a lot of people a new found sense of confidence, but no greater number of new platform-defining exclusive games for the rest of this gen. PS4 really does have the games that make the greater impression, whether they're multiplatform or not. I think deep down you know this, but that sensible place in your brain has been occupied by rabid thoughts of mocking Sony fans for having less impressive looking multiplatform games for the next 2-3 years, on a relatively small % of total consoles sold. Even then, there's no guarantee that third-parties will not choose to optimise their games for the Pro, or at all considering there is no support mandate for either of these mid-gen pieces of hardware.
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@ theXtReMe1

Bigpappy has a history of well... you know.

[JackBNimble]

Ya know Pappy
Guy's like you make me laugh, you praise something that is so far nothing more then hype. Sure you got some big numbers to play with and I am sure Scorpio will be a fine running console. But guy's like you continuely run off at the mouth with this fantasy that Scorpio is going to blow everything away, funny thing is everyone did the samething with ps4 pro.

You guy's need to learn to curb your imaginary expectations until the dam thing is released or until you have actual bench marks and comparisons, because you are only setting yourself up for disappointment with your higher then reality expectations.

[Cuzzo63]

Defend it for what... We are all happy with the PS4. No shortage of games. Variety of games. And One of the top 1st party supported systems out behind Nintendo. At the end of the day. Scorpio wont out sell Ps4. Wont help the lagging behind what so ever. Sony has took the market share and ran with it. Specs wont make it sell. Im sorry. You guys are getting really ridiculous with these comments

[objdadon]

Lol, with the games already here and on the way for the pro, it definitely doesn't need "defending."

[LexHazard79]

@Cuzzo, if ya so happy with the PS4,
why ya so miserable on Xbox the forums?

Scorpio is gonna be awesome devs even former sony head saying it 😂

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol dude just like Xbox fanboys think every og x1 owner is going to upgrade to a mid gen console that their treating as a next gen console and the second coming. I mean it's sad when Xbox fanboys willfully discard their own fellow console owners who in the grand scheme of things get screwed the worst since it will go Scorpio,ps pro,PS4 then x1.

[Allsystemgamer]

I thought graphics and resolution didn't matter there bigpappy.

Sony ponies are annoying but xbots are complete hypocrites. You'll say one thing when it doesn't favour you but when it does you all flock around it like a pack of starving gulls.

It's a console that's exclusives are on another platform. The only thing it's going to do is play 3rd party games better than the pro.

Whoopee do. I already have a pc that's way stronger than the Scorpio. Please try and tell me why I should get one.

[Markusb33]

3rd party can't ignore ps4 install base. Providing the games keep coming why care whats going on with a platform you don't own ? There is nothing to defend here, I prefer Sony studios that's why I bought ps4. I loved my 360 and ps3 and while 360 had better running 3rd party it had no effect on me enjoying ps3 and in the end sales for ps3 were great for Sony. Will the casual buy Scorpio ? Xb install base is less than half of ps4, most Scorpio sales will be upgrades so install base may not increase massively. I can't see it reaching 70 million like ps4. Again who cares so long as the games keep coming.

[Whatever234]

Defend??? What is there to defend.History shows wich company is to be trusted with games and diversity and how long of a life the console has.Can't dispute facts,sorry.

[Ashlen]

No one has to defend PS4 as long as they keep pumping out fantastic exclusives.

[tmisellati]

this --> " I already have a big enough backlog on the PS4 and Pro, So, I cant imagine having two systems. "

[Cuzzo63]

So you guys are gonna act like the Power of Cloud was the end all for Sony... Now wat happened to it again?...

[Cryptcuzz]

Didn't MS say that the power of the cloud would make the Xbox One three times more powerful, or something along that line? Lol

[Allsystemgamer]

See. The thing is IN THEORY the cloud works. The problem is unless everyone has gig internet speeds it's unusable. It CAN work. We're just not there yet.

Plus the delay. There is travel time. The inputs need to be sent to the cloud. The cloud then needs to calculate and send it back. That's 3. It's not instant.

MS really screwed themseles with that one.

[Markusb33]

Power of the cloud was a game changer ! It's like promising 3 year old things to keep them quiet and hope in time they forget.

[GamingIVfun]

Guess what people, the PS4 slim is still selling better than the PS4 Pro and is also outselling the Xbox One S everywhere in the world most every month. The PS4 Pro is selling pretty good also but you have the same great games on both. Consumers purchases are showing people buy the consoles based on the best games and services, more so than based on system specs. People are buying the PS4 Slim more also because of price, so for most if the games look and play virtually identical to the higher specced system they will choose the cheaper alternative (PS4 Slim) and that is with the PS4 Pro only being a hundred dollars more. The average mass market consumer isn't counting pixels and don't care about FPS as long as the games run perceivably smooth.

The differences between the way games play and look on consoles and PC's (even high end PC's) are not leaps and bounds in difference as it is, the average consumer doesn't notice the difference and even if they do it is not enough of a difference that they are willing to spend more money.

4k is not the huge difference on a large screen at normal distances that some would have you believe, where 4k makes a difference is with screens you sit closer to (2 to 3 feet from) like computer monitors.PC gaming enthusiast care about that more than the average consumer who buys video game consoles, PC gaming enthusiast are willing to pay for that and spend huge amounts of money for their PC to achieve this (even so that market is not a huge market) .

Example: I have a PC with specs much higher than what the Xbox Scorpio has, probably more than twice what Xbox Scorpio has, cost me lots of money to build it, most modern graphically intense games I cannot run at 4k 60 fps, most modern games I cannot run at 4k 30fps, I have 40 gigs of very fast ram and have more than enough compute horsepower to cover the system over head that pc's have, system and GPU combined and can't do 4k gaming consistently well. True 4k for the most part is not ready for prime time, even on high end very expensive PC's, only the most expensive multi GPU systems can do 4k well and even those have problems on occasion.

Xbox Scorpio is going to be the most powerful console at a price, that comes no where close to a high end PC that can't do 4k well, and even if it could, it would not make the huge difference in the gaming experience that fanboys are over hyping themselves and other to believe.

Xbox Scorpio may not sell the 20plus million difference this gen they are behind the PS4.

Microsoft should have waited till the next gen to try and introduce true 4k gaming. I am pretty sure that Xbox Scorpio gaming will not show enough of an advantage over current systems to make a big difference in the market place. PS4 Pro might not been the best decision either, but it is affordable for them to make and sell for a profit while still being affordable to consumers. I doubt Xbox Scorpio is going to be both profitable and reasonably priced for consumers.

Even if Xbox Scorpio is somewhat of a success, I think it will be short lived, even if they make some interesting exclusives for it, I don't think it's enough. PS4 already has a huge lineup of exclusive games announced and they also have a huge lineup of great third party console exclusives, PS4 has more support from developers than Xbox and I think that is going to grow even more.

Xbox Scorpio isn't going to hurt PS4 or Sony at all, and weather it's going to be a huge success for Microsoft, well..... we'll see.

[stuna1]

You want the truth? "You can't handle the truth!" In the voice of Jack Nickolson

[KingKionic]

Lol why do these guys keep limiting Scorpios worth?

There will be a clear difference in the way games run and look regardless next to the pro.

Third parties too will use the ease of use for games it's all been discussed by digital foundry,Gears of war and Forza devs.

This isn't like a conspiracy or nothing so why is this guy downplaying stuff?

History shows if there's a technical advantage there for a console it will be shown.

[christocolus]

Well said. Definitely getting Scorpio. Can't wait for E3. This fall will be interesting. RDR2, COD, BF2, SOT, SOD2, Crackdown 3 and FM7. Hopefully we'll get an Ori2 announcement at E3.

Also Hajime Tabata (FFXV director) and his team were at Turn10 yesterday. I'm thinking they needed help optimizing their engines for Scorpio or maybe they've been working together on something else?

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

[Bigpappy]

With nothing but negative attitudes, towards Xbox, it is nice to see a big publisher like square stay firmly with brand. I will be sure to pickup ffXV on Scorpio

[objdadon]

Lol, we shall see exactly how big of a "difference" there will be when digital foudry themselves said they couldn't tell the difference between checkerboard 4k and native 4k without being right up against the screen lol.

[BigWan78]

@objdadon...

Do u know the difference between resolution and graphics...

4k resolution is 4K no latter how u slice it... but graphical fidelity is something that can be be seen and major differences in...

Also: digital foundry also said they cant see a single scenario where a game will look better on PS4PRO either... but i guess that had to be left out to defend ur argument

[GamingIVfun]

It won't make any difference with the fanboys, they could nearly make a living with the amount of excuses and moving goal post they do. Cloud gaming, DirectX 12, Ultra Blu-Ray Drive, overhyping the amount and quality of games unrealistically (Microsoft and fanboys), Backwards compatibility, none of that has made a real difference for the platform or to the average consumer.

Microsoft has done a mediocre job with Xbox this gen, Xbox Scorpio alone is not going to make the situation any better.

[iDadio]

@BigWan

Im sure he does know the difference, however you seem to imply that developers will go to the effort of creating higher level assets for a <3% portion of the console users - not exactly a given is it. Im a PC gamer with a rig more than capable of trumping the Scorpio but I still have to put up with shoddy developers :(

Imagine if there was a parity clause now, people would completely lose their s**t.

[BigWan78]

@GamingIVfun

and they dont have to "win" a console war... xbox has to only prove itself to microsoft management and shareholders...

playstation has to win... or the sony we know will become a distant memory... look how much sony has changed from the launch of ps4 to now...

[objdadon]

Lol @BigWan78 of course i know the difference. I also know the difference in 1st party studios actually getting the most out of hardware and 3rd party parity also. And i guess you didn't hear digital foundry say that power is one thing but sony has talented studios that create spectacular looking games like horizon zero dawn. I could care less but I'm willing to bet there will never be a game on the scorpio that looks better than the upcoming god of war.

[BigWan78]

@iDiado have u not been paying attention?.. there is NO effort for a Scopio variant of the game.. thats the beauty of the device. devs can get to native 4K resolution within days to a week. no matter the engine. that way they have a ton more time to spend on optimizatins (graphics, controles, etc)

@objdadon and im willing to bet they could remix an older title like Quantum Break and it would be on par if not better looking than God of War...I have a PS4Pro and have Uncharted 4 & Horizon:ZD. both look amazing on my Sammy KS8500, and something tells me both will be surpassed [graphically] come E3 2017

[iDadio]

@BigWan
A severe lack of technical knowledge and delusion confirmed.

Your real answer is that yes I have been paying attention, but unlike people like you I have been paying attention to the bigger picture not just disregarding everything so far and sucking on the Scorpio teet.

And before you disregard my comment as some ms hater or Sony fanboy let me assure you it isn't the case, I'm a PC player so all this 'get your teraflop sized knob out and compare' console arguements don't wash. Just tired of naive misinformation being taken as gospel round here.

[BigWan78]

@iDadio....

If u think im only thinking about Flops... ur way off base.

Im thinking about every engine out and every game thats out put through 30K simulations each...

And i love how PC players brag about PC, and then proceed to show that they have the slightest clue on how it all works... PC's always have for the most part, brute force their way through games. Easy development tools on PC is a big plus, but PC's have NEVER used resources in meaningful and efficient ways.

You come up here, and try to berate and belittle... just because someone says they are a Pc player, am i just suppose to assume they know how it works...

[iDadio]

@BigWan

No your not supposed to assume that, but I'm a Computer science teacher so it's not only my hobby but my job so I know my fair share on the subject.

And you misunderstand, the fact I'm a PC player doesn't give me a superiority complex when it's common knowledge consoles can do more with less due to being a one dimensional piece of hardware. My point however is that people are under the impression that all devs will be on this Scorpio war machine when reality is that Scorpio users will be an absolute minority and not worth the time or effort. Increasing resolution and frames will have a big impact I don't question that (I myself downplayed the difference a 2k monitor would make a few years ago until I saw it in action and was removing egg from my face for months) but to make a game truly superior is needs better assets whether that be models or textures but that is effort on the devs part for a small minority of the install base.

Think people need to realise that if the multiplats have higher res or frames instead of actual graphical fidelity then it will be a disservice for the adopters given the price.

I ain't trying to belittle, n4g touches a nerve because some comments are ludicrous.

[BigWan78]

@iDadio...

Phil and team have repeatedly said over and over, if there is a PC variant of the AAA game it can moved to Scorpio wit little to no effort at all. Scorpio can run the OC variant of the game due to the xdk being able to now support almost every engine under the sun.

Its been repeated many time over, less time developmenting/porting and more time optimizing.. not only that but the dev kits allow brand new games to be developed in a faster time frame.

[Allsystemgamer]

Do you want 4k, 60fps or good graphics? The scorpio isn't strong enough to deliver all 3 consistently.

4k takes a LOT of horsepower. Graphics settings often have to be turned down.

And before you throw the digital foundry forza article argument.

It's a racing game. They're not demanding.

[KingKionic]

Forza will not be the only 4K 60 fps game on scorpio. Saying stuff like "its a racing game its not demanding" is just crazy because xbox one cant run Forza 6 apex with ultra settings even in 1080p.

Regardless any game that ran 900p or 1080p can in fact run in 4K on scorpio when devs port the game to scorpio to 4K.

"As we landed on 4K, Andrew [Goossen] and team did a pretty deep analysis," Gammill continues. "We have this developer tool called PIX [Performance Investigator for Xbox]. It lets us do some GPU trace capture. He and his team did a really deep analysis across a breadth of titles with the goal that any 900p or better title would be able to easily run at frame-rate at 4K on Scorpio. That was our big stake in the ground, and so with that we began our work speccing out what the Scorpio Engine is. It's not a process of calling up AMD and saying I'll take this part, this part and this part. A lot of really specific custom work went into this."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[aconnellan]

4K does take a lot of horsepower, but your argument is ridiculous.

"Show me that games on the Scorpio can run 4K/60 and look good. Except for Forza though, you're allowed any example but that."

I suppose we should go into all those articles of gifs and screenshots for the next GT and say "sorry guys, what you're seeing here doesn't actually look good because racing games aren't demanding"

[kickerz]

Look at these articles popping up making out their won't be much difference lol. Stupid article. It's not about raw numbers. Did none of you guys ready the digital foundry articles. Scorpio is about efficiency. everything is built with games and performance in mind. There's a dx12 processor actually on the hardware( something like that) this thing is gonna be sick!!!!

[OB1Biker]

I found weird the Pro got crap for using a current gen CPU but not the Scorpio.

[KingKionic]

Well it still is has been highly customized. Its not even comparable according to Microsoft to any previous cpus in Xbox One or Ps4.

The CPU inside the Scorpio detailed by Microsoft Nick Baker, Distinguished Engineer, Silicon :

"It's a completely unique design... you wouldn't be able to buy this anywhere else and really, we created this is in conjunction with AMD and it is a nice unique part for Scorpio," says Nick Baker, Distinguished Engineer, Silicon.

"The few high-level constraints and goals in the programme were to really say, we wanted to be the most powerful 4K gaming console. The other key area was to maintain full back-compat with Xbox One and One S titles and also to retain features we added in on those consoles to allow Xbox 360 compatibility as well. If you look at how we came up with the architecture those were the most important goals we wanted to keep in mind," Baker continues. "Key differentiators for Xbox that we wanted to retain and extend for Scorpio: we have CPU/GPU coherency, the GPU virtualisation support, the audio processing that's being used for spatial audio. We have the powerful and flexible display output processor we're using for super-sampling for 1080p TVs, for example, and we kept and extended and improved the GameDVR support too."

"We needed to run a fair amount of simulation to figure out what really we wanted to achieve with the CPUs as far as the design was concerned," says Baker. "In dealing with a full custom CPU design, you can't just go and say 'super-size this'. It's not that easy. Try doing that and quite often you'll find that somewhere else, you'll get counter intuitive results from that. We really wanted to be targeted with what we wanted to do."

"Typically for CPU, the top two items are frequency and memory latency. If the CPU has data, the faster it can process it, the quicker the result, but it also means that if it doesn't have the data, it sits there idle, so latency is a big component. On frequency, we pushed it up to 2.3GHz" explains Nick Baker "On the latency, a couple of the areas we tackled, one was all the queues coming back from the memory interface, we sped those up as well. Specifically, within the core, because we're running a virtualised OS environment, we wanted to optimise how memory translation operations happen so there are some key changes inside the core to speed those things up. The end result is that not only does the CPU run faster, it also runs more efficiently meaning more power for you at the end."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[OB1Biker]

'The end result is that not only does the CPU run faster, it also runs more efficiently '
no doubt. still doesnt make my comment wrong.

[christocolus]

@kionic

Interesting.

[Bigpappy]

These designers seem really proud of what they were able to accomplish with the Scorpio

[DigitalRaptor]

"highly customized"

Hook, line, and sinker. They got you.

[Gazondaily]

^Let's see when the comparison articles hit shall we?

[ILostMyMind]

Oh really? MS said their hardware is better ... I would never have imagined that.

[objdadon]

It's a jaguar cpu no matter how many paragraphs you write trying to make it something else.

[Brettman2008]

It's still a weak Jaguar CPU.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Septic

Ummm.... when did I ever say that Scorpio was not more powerful than PS4 Pro? I teased that he was gullible for believing Microsoft's PR, that this was anything more than a Jaguar CPU. You are literally trying to frame me for something I never said. What... to "point and laugh"? Smh.

[butchertroll]

It's a Jaguar CPU in Scorpio in the end. No matter how modified is the CPU in Scorpio, they used a Jaguar as a base tech. And it's a crap tablet CPU. The weakest I3 ( like some member above said it too ) will destroy Scorpio's Jaguar.

[Sonyslave3]

I take DF over some random blog dude lol when DF said Scorpio blow Ps pro out water I believe them, I mean everyone believe ever word DF in the beginning of this gen said as the truth why not now.

[idealty]

Fair enough but DF is one of few media outlets that never said Scorpio "blows PS4 Pro out of the water". They know better than that as they actually know what they are talking about. They just said what I said...it is definitely more powerful, has some great potential, but the differences are not going to be night and day compared to the Pro. In fact DF has said over and over again that they don't feel the difference between native 4K and the "dynamic 4K" that PS4 Pro uses (i.e. checkerboarding, dynamic resolution) is that noticeable ( https://www.youtube.com/wat... They also said that Scorpio marks a great advancement in console hardware design (vapor cooling, frequency etc) which I completely agree with.

[KingKionic]

Digital Foundry said the performance difference from Ps4 pro and Xbox scorpio is a GULF

"As a result, at a base level, we anticipate third party releases where Scorpio enjoys higher resolutions and more detailed art, but the scale of the difference is something we can't draw definitive conclusions on until we start to see games. The best case scenario for Microsoft is that its CPU and GPU hardware customisation - derived directly from granular analysis of existing game engines - will produce a gulf in results even wider than those seen frequently seen in Xbox One/PS4 cross-platform releases.' -Digital Foundry

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Good try though at trying to use Digital Foundry to downplay scorpio LOL

[883]

KionicWarlord's reply is funny:

He quotes DF. They truly did use the term "a gulf in results"... They also mention it as a best case scenario for MS -- AND PERHPAS MORE IMPORTANTLY they compare it to the so-called "gulf" between the PS4 & XBone results --- which if not displayed side by side, MOST of the general public would be extremely HARD PRESSED to tell a difference. For those who could readily recognize a difference, it would generally hardly be considered a groundbreaking difference (with the notable exception being those who recognize just how much EXTRA raw power truly is needed to produce those differences that most people say "meh" about). Perhaps DF would have been better served saying a "gulf in power" instead?.?. What makes matters even worse for those trying to market the "performance" differences is the FACT that as power levels increase, the power necessary to return a proportionate visual boost increases nearly exponentially ESPECIALLY where 4K is concerned at this time (ie. diminishing returns in a PROFOUND way). So, if the PS4 vs. XBone power difference is not TERRIBLY different from that of the Pro vs. Scorpio -- it stands to reason that even with the Scorpio's brilliant architecture working around a number of previous design bottle-necks, the visible differences are likely to be relatively small (like PS4 vs. XBone) UNLESS--- UNLESS the observer can recognize the Scorpio is doing "seemingly" small things that we know require MUCH greater power to do, BUT that IF WE ARE HONEST most observers ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT SEE as a big deal. 4K compounds the challenge of these realities and the requirement to run compatible with the original XBone is the ELEPHANT (not straw) that breaks the camel's back. Heck, even with the power "GULF" ;-) going from one gen to the next, consoles struggle to shine when developers are developing for the previous gen. concurrently.

The point is: Anyone who expects what would ---by objective (non-techie) individuals be considered big visual differences between the PS4 Pro & the Scorpio is going to either be very let down or have to do some serious self convincing. That said, higher frame rates are a HUGE bonus from the gamer's perspective for the right types of games, and little added details can be extraordinarily satisfying. These things should be a reality with Scorpio. It is these types of boosts that are still worth noting for those of us who can appreciate them. Let's not kid ourselves though and pretend that they are groundbreaking/huge visual changes. It certainly seems reasonable though to suggest that they ARE signs of substantial power differences.

[starchild]

@883

That's absolute nonsense. First of all, there IS a big difference between the PS4 and XB1. Furthermore, even between my PS4 Pro and my PC with a GTX 1070 there is a noticeable and significant difference in most games I've compared. There's no reason that Scorpio, with its significant power advantage and greater amount of RAM, won't have significantly better looking games.

[EpacZinga]

Ah so now DF is the truth. I though DF was paid by Sony according to you guys?

[Aenea]

Haha, yeah, I find that hilarious as well!

[SaveFerris]

Expect the Beast?

[corroios]

I hope some are ready for the onslaught when the reality without all the pr happend. They are all coming back, better be ready when the diference will be a little btter rez and frames that wont make a diference in 4k hdr tv.

The scorpio is great machine but isnt 12 teraflop machine with next gen cpu and gpu . That would blow out of the water the pro. No matter how many news are made 3rd party games wont have a huge diference. Is just business and the power of numbers. The ps4 will always be the lead platform.

[KingKionic]

Just a little better resolution and frames LOL

The scorpio will use 4K assets and its only a 1 percent hit on the GPU on Forza at 4k 60 fps.

http://www.tweaktown.com/ne...

Ps4 will not hold back scorpio because the scorpio was built around current gen game engines.

"We did multiple PIX captures from every single game and ran them on the emulator," Andrew Goossen, Technical Fellow, Graphics, tells us - a process that proved invaluable for validating Scorpio's back-compat capabilities. "We did over 30,000 emulator runs, which is a big contributor to Nick's total cycle count because we had to make sure that we were going to land with that 100 per cent compatibility [with Xbox One]."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Saying this is all "PR" and "Buisness" is crazy at this point.

[corroios]

You will see. A litlle better rez and frames. Forza isnt the best away to test nothing. But in november and december we will talk again. Now keep eating all pr news

[Bobafret]

The article was from DF, not MS, so I fail to see any "PR" here.

[Majin-vegeta]

The Ps4 will still demolish the Scorpio.

[tmisellati]

it is obvious and only blinds can't see that. we are comparing a console that sold more than 53 million unit to a console that sold less than 30 million units world wide and we are approximately 2 years from the start of the next gen. it is too late.

[Xb1ps4]

Sony just launched pro and vr and you think they are going to launch a ps5 in 2 yrs?!

I hope you are wrong.. I'm good with pro I just need Sony to focus on the great games... I also just got my 4K oled that cost 2k and will definitely buy Scorpio day one.. many ppl just bought a psvr as well and Nintendo just launched! This is going to be the start of what this gen should have been. I don't think another console should or will be out for at least 5yrs, Sony needs to recoup and ms needs to seriously focus on games from here on out.

The only wild card is Nintendo with a new console or "upgrade" within 5 or 6 yrs.

Lol only ones thinking of a ps5 right now are those single console owners feeling salty, don't need no damn ps5 so soon after pro..... just give me the games..

[Xb1ps4]

Too late for what? Great looking games? Come back in 2 yrs and let me know what you are playing next gen.. lmfao..

You really think Sony is going to launch 3 consoles AND VR within 6 years?! Boy... you better go out buy the pro and be happy... lmfao!

[tmisellati]

@XB1ps4
"Too late for what? Great looking games? Come back in 2 yrs and let me know what you are playing next gen.. lmfao.. "
too late to make an influence on the market. the market is already owned by sony at the moment.

"You really think Sony is going to launch 3 consoles AND VR within 6 years?! Boy... you better go out buy the pro and be happy... lmfao!"
you really think this gen of consoles is going to last for more than 6 years ?! and i am Happy ps4 pro owner by the way and i do not need another console by the way.

[Gazondaily]

Lol 😂 Go on son! ✊

[ecchiless]

Next xbox looks nice in specs no doubt, but i just love the games that PS offer to me, now i know ppl gonna say multiplats gonna look and play better in scorpio, but for me the games that made me buy a console are the exclusives and jrpg's now with more jrpg's coming to pc i tend to play those in my pc if i have the option, so is good for ppl who love the xbox brand that they have something to look.

[Why o why]

'I prefer xbox games over PlayStation games'

All 4 of them😎 vs 2000

Whilst you all wait or use multies as fillers. ...well, need i say some just get more. A console isnt just for Christmas . You have to feed it all year

[starchild]

@Why o why

It's more like exclusives are the filler between all the multiplatform games, since multiplats make up the vast majority of games released each year.

I've owned a PS4 since launch and I've bought every exclusive that interested me, and even went out of my way to get a couple exclusives I might not have otherwise got simply to get more use out of my console, and I still only have like 9 or 10 of them. Considering I have around 6 or 7 Microsoft exclusives on my PC from this generation I don't think the difference is nearly as big as some of you make it out to be.

[Why o why]

I know this starchild... im playing with people... 4 vs 2000.....c'mon. The part of the joke that is based on reality is the holiday season glut ... who can honestly argue against that? Of course there're games released outside of that but its become microsofts modus operandi. Multis are important....consoles would perish against one that has them. Not downplaying their necessity. You also don't believe the gap to be as large as some make it out to be....I dunno...sometimes throwing lists outs gets met with angst.... Often enough people, in the face of the evidence, start using the 'doesn't interest me' response to devalue the point. 'Too Japanese' , 'niche' etc

http://gematsu.com/exclusiv...

Then click on the ps4 tab after then come back with a straight face and tell me there isn't a huge difference in output.

To the dude whos calling fanboy because his feelings got hurt...check my comment history. I have a preference and speaking out against a brand and for another means fanboy....kool... personally I think anyone who hasn't noticed ms's pattern is a fanboy or blind at best.....just look at this year for example. ...where are the games? The player with the most money is punching waaaay below its weight due to a combo of bad luck, questionable management and/or complacency.

Yes... some ps fans will feel hurt about the shift in power......but check this out...what have ps fans been ribbing xbox fans about since the last third last gen all the way up until now ....EXCLUSIVES so even this gen, when they had the power advantage they STILL cussed ms and their fans over their lack of quality output and holiday gluts... Nothing has changed but its now being labeled as insecurity due to the scorpio...c'mon. So transparent.

[LordJamar]

who cares? thats not the point and its not expected to tell more then ps even Microsoft said this its for ppl who want it

[tmisellati]

people should stop reading those stupid articles. the truth is clear and no one can deny this.
if you want to own the most powerful console ever made , then go ahead and buy the scorpio but if you are a gamer and want to buy the best place to play , then go and buy the ps4 pro.
no matter how much powerful the scorpio will be,it will not overshadow the reality of that the ps4's upcoming exclusive line up is massive. period.

[Kiwi66]

You don't have to buy the ps4 pro to be a gamer as people were gamers way before there was even any ps or xbox consoles

[Allsystemgamer]

That's why I have a super pc (1080/7700k/32gb ram/10 terabytes of storage) for its exclusives and multiplats.

My PS4 for its exclusives.

And my Xbox one to collect dust.

[LordJamar]

stop lying

[Whatever234]

Kinect ,milo,cloud ,dx11 or dx12 whatever . The truth is clear . lol.

[TheUndertaker85]

PSP Go, PlayStation Move, Agent, Cell Processor, PlayStation Mobile, PlayStation Home, no refunds

EyeToy, PlayStation Eye, PlayStation Camera.

Back touchpad, PS4 touchpad, virtual L2/R2/L3/R3, OtherOS

[LordJamar]

just cause i want Scorpio it make me not a gamer? i dont have amazing 3rd party games to play? apparently all you ps fanboys play is first party games every few months cause thats all you brag about but i will have the best playable 3rd party on scorpio

[Hugodastrevas]

Playstation demolishing more powerful consoles and winning gens it's a nice tradition i'm glad to see the return of.

[_LarZen_]

Digital Foundry has made it pretty clear Scorpio is a exciting pice of hardware. One that is more about numbers as it's architecture and engineering solutions are so unique it's never been done before.

It has the potential to do what Microsoft brags about. Deliver true 4K gaming. Some people can try to downplay it as much as they want.

But nothing will change the fact that if developers want to all games can look and/or run better on Scorpio then on any other console available.

Personally I will play the handful of PlayStation exclusives that interest me each year on my PS4Pro. And everything else on Scorpio. There is no turning back once you been used to 4K HDR gaming.

[Allsystemgamer]

Don't expect many games to look better aside from resolution.

4k alone is extremely demanding. The only thing we've seen is forza. Which look great but...it's forza.

The real test is going to be games like battlefield, Qb, crackdown 3 etc.

Games that are demanding in their own right. 4k is going to eat up a lot of resources. I suspect many devs will have to lock at 30fps.

[_LarZen_]

Agree with everything you write.

The main focus if you will. With Scorpio is to give that bump in resolution and hopefully hit native 4K in most titles. If not that then at least a higher base resolution for checkerboard rendering then the PS4Pro can do. Allot of games on the Pro is upscalled from ~1400p and we see a big improvement when the base resolution is higher like 1800p. Or 2160p checkerboard that Horizon is.

What I'm really excited to see is how Scorpio will perform in allot of games since Microsoft has engineered the system with how game developers makes games. Usually it's the other way..developers makes the game engine etc work with the system.

And I think the sooner some people get 60 fps out of their head the better. As you write. Most games will guarantied be locked at 30 fps. 4K 60 fps titles will be as rare as 60fps titles on the XBO/PS4/Pro.

I could go on for a while so I'll stopp myself now...this is exciting stuff :P

[Whatever234]

Also ms set it up with df ,not df alone .Plus when gifts are included ,beware .People tend to be influenced when gifts are included.Its a fact .So let'ts just wait till Scorpio is out.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Scorpio will be beast mode! Like the Pro now Scorpio will have the better multiplats and since multiplats are what sales the most Scorpio will be the place to go. Pro will be for my Sony exclusives but Scorpio will be for everything else.

[Mr Lahey]

Had ps4 and 1080p tv. Bought a pro and 4k tv. Huge difference? Not at all. Bigger tv, higher resolution makes the picture a bit sharper. Still the same games i played on my ps4 and they look almost identical.

Same games on xone and scorpio as well. A lot of people are gonna be disappointed if they expect a huge difference.

There will be a small difference, but not as big as people seem to Believe.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Go buy new eyes then.

[Allsystemgamer]

That doesn't change the fact that all 4k is a sharper image lol

[objdadon]

I keep telling people the jump to 4k from 1080p is not big like the jump from standard definition to HD. It just gives you a sharper image but HDR is the real difference maker. People just like to set themselves up for disappointment i guess. Even with my 4k tv I'd still rather have a consistent 60fps at 1080p or 1400p.

[ClayRules2012]

Yeah, I've heard many developers say HDR will deliver an even more impressive showing over just the 4K resolution.

[Liqu1d]

HDR is amazing.

[Mr Lahey]

HDR on Horizon looks really good. Better than RGB. But to be honest, the difference is not huge. RGB looks almost the same, just a little blander.

I have a well calibrated TV. I would argue that calibrating your TV correctly is more important than resolution and hdr and all that stuff.

[idealty]

Well put sir!

[PizzaSteve]

Finally someone smart on N4G. I been saying the same thing.

[PizzaSteve]

The truth is no matter how much powerful Scorpio is than the Pro it will still loss.

Pro has the better games. I know the truth hurts.

[Captain_Tom]

This article hit the nail on the head.

The power difference between the Scorpio and PS4 Pro is decently smaller than that of the PS4 vs X1. So anyone who said "No one can tell the difference between 900p and 1080p", which is laughably wrong; cannot make any claim that the X2 is much stronger than the PS4K.

And those that saw the previous power gap as big (I did) can concede that it wasn't a generational difference, and now it is smaller.

Scorpio just isn't impressive. It is simply 1 year newer than the PS4 Pro.

[DrJones]

Wrong

[Captain_Tom]

What a provoking counter-point.

[showtimefolks]

games as long as MS can deliver some amazing games i think scorpio will do fine like pro is doing fine. only fanboys want to twist and turn things to fit their own agendas

gamers want amazing games

[Allsystemgamer]

That's why I own all the systems and a pc. However my Xbox barely gets used because I play its games on my pc. I'd play halo 5 if it wasn't trash. I was so disappointed with it. Halo is my fav series and they pooped the bed.

[showtimefolks]

i am a ps gamer but i got no problem with xbox or any other platform

to each their own

i like single player story driven games and sony delivers on that for me

we need to get along and stop this nonsense fanboy wars

[Bobafret]

Funny, I own a gaming PC and it collects dust compared to my X1.

[ILostMyMind]

@Bobafret
As everyone knows, is not a question of power but rather of preferences.

[Suwarbox1]

The harsh truth is.... PS4 will continue to crush xbox in sales, popularity, global appeal, first party games, third party Japanese games etc etc

[LordJamar]

and scorpio will crush it in performance power and graphics and fidelity

[ClayRules2012]

That won't matter if the Scorpio doesn't bring amazing new iP's to gamers. Microsoft can't keep expecting relying on Halo & Gears. I hope they take risks & try new things. Don't play it safe anymore.

[LordJamar]

@ClayRules2012 i will matter cause ppl like graphics and power keep telling yourself it does not matter when ppl know there not runing the best they can sony did the same thing to xbox now the tables have turned dont move the goal post fanboy. sea of thevies is a new ip and and its fun as hell from what i have played, state of decay 2 is gonna be amazing and crack down 3 with full destruction is gonna be epic and they def got more surprises at e3 your gonna run out of reasons to justify your ps4 and bash xbox stop being a fanboy and like all games they already said both halo and gears wont be at e3 prepare to eat your crow

[ClayRules2012]

Bud, I'm not a Sony fanboy. I prefer PS4 over Xbox, but at the end of the day, I wanna see Microsoft & the Xbox brand succeed & grow. I also wanna see Xbox gamers have wonderful experiences on their respective console of choice. I won't find reasons to lift PS4 up just so I can than bash Xbox. That's just childish. I will call out both Sony & Microsoft when & if they do some stuff that's ridiculous.

Crackdown 3 looks great, and I hope Microsoft will show more of that at E3 this year. I also believe they'll have some surprises for gamers at E3.

Also, while Sony has had the power advantage over Microsoft for years now, they've also had a variety of games, which some did well, some didn't do well. But they take risks and allow developers freedom, something which Microsoft hasn't done, but hopefully they will now, with Scorpio coming. Only time will too.

In the end, power can only get you so far.

[Suwarbox1]

Says the guy that stuck with inferior shitty ass xbox for the past three years.

[LordJamar]

nope i remember at the start of the gen sony lauded about power frames and graphics and pixels while xbox had the better line up and how is ori, sunset overdrive, quantum break, not some variety, and how is new games like sea of the thieves, crack down, and state of decay not variety??? you guys keep moveing the goal post to bash xbox or to dismiss there games and bash xbox

[dilbig5]

Please state more than the same 3 games you say on every post if you wanna keep talking about games, you almost prove no games on Xbox every time you comment.

People preferred PS4 to One because of the catalog of IPs under Sony from PS3 that would eventually come to PS4 nd the obvious popularity over Xbox.

[Captain_Tom]

You call a 45% stronger GPU, and a 20% stronger CPU "Crushing"? lol ok buddy.

[LordJamar]

@dillbig5 i named 6 games you plebeian

[dilbig5]

Yea this time lol. But 3 of the games you named are already out. Every single post you only name State of Decay (a sequel), Crackdown 3 (announced years ago), and Sea of Thieves (a wild card that might not succeed). You are so excited by a short list to possibly spend not only $500 but the price of the games lol.

[Smokingunz]

Gotta love n4g lol obviously thisbpiece was written by a sony fan trying to mislead people thst the scorpio isn't as powerful as Microsoft claims it to be. The fact of the matter is the scorpio is way more powerful than the pro its practically almost a new system the significance in graphics and performance will be huge. I know it uses the same chipset and its faster but with 8gigs of ram dedicated to games and not to mention its a true native 4k machine unlike the pro that alone tells u its more powerful than the pro. I have the oro and the graphics foesnt even look better thsn the base ps4 its the same with only some tittles that dies look a little better and i use thst term loosely, just a little better. Theboro is a hoke nobody saw a significant difference which is whybthey peo didnt sell well at all.

U sony fans need to stop haiting on the scorpio. Dude in the video need to pull his durag down too he's wearing it too high lol

[C_Ali88]

2 of the most powerful home consoles EVER... Nuff said..... Now sell em.

[Rock31]

One more article saying that the Xbox Scorpio is not worth buying what a big surprise how many of the article are we going to get, stop the bull and the hate.if you don't want one no is bending your arm. I'm getting one day one it's my money and my choice

[KenichiEbina]

"I'm getting one day one it's my money and my choice"

Good for you, why are you bitching about the article then? Why do you care?

[Bobafret]

Why do you care that he cares?

[SaltyyBae]

@boba

Why do you care that he cares?

[KLICK_KLAK_KIDD]

I dont how everybody talking about exclusives when they only get released every 4-5 months & usually ppl complete it & move on...But then you have 3rd party games that make up 85% of annual releases & most ppl spent more time on those games plus the online multiplayer ones...& thats where the scorpio will shine im talking Battlefront..COD WW2...Shadow Mordor...the list goes on... So you tell me how will the ps4 pro compete with performance & resolution with a 1st.time ever console free sync & Future proof HDMI 2.1... & im saying all this as a PS4 PRO ... PC GTX Titan X...GTX1080 playing games at 4k for the pass 3yrs...So STOP IT GUYS SERIOUSLY & also to add there is Electronic Store ad in Europe that post the scorpio price & SKU to be price at €399 WoW...For the price i payed for my titan x $1200 Now THATS a Bargin if you ask me... So i think its time to stop being fanboys & become real gamers

[KenichiEbina]

"But then you have 3rd party games that make up 85% of annual releases"

And those 3rd party games that make 85% of annual releases that you are talking about will sell 90% on vanilla PS4 and Xbox one S. Pro doesn't need to compete. PS4 slim is demolishing the pro just like it will demolish the scorpio. Casual gamers don't care about specs. All they care about is to buy the cheapest box to play COD, Fifa, GTAs etc etc
So yeah, maybe it's time you guys stop kidding yourselves that scorpio will turns the tides. By the end of next year 2018, you'll see for yourself which was the dominant platform.

[LordJamar]

jeez your a fanboy

[dilbig5]

Could say the same about you lol

[cbuc1125]

This article is spot on. I have been saying this since the DF reveal. Well done.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Here's what I expect;

PS4 Pro $350
Xbox Scorpio $600

[Iras_]

The power gap between Scorpio and Pro is similiar to gap between vanilla PS4 and xb1. Moreover checkerboard rendering looks much better on 4K screen than upscalled 900p on full HD. Multiplats on Scorpio may look a bit sharper on proper tv and that's all. Otherwise we will never see games looking as good as Horizon: Zero Dawn, new God of War or Detroit: Become Human on Scorpio because Microsoft's lack of first party support.

[jokerisalive]

The truth is Sony will make more games that push the capabilities of the PRO. They have more and better devs that keep delivering insane looking games while MS has been closing studious/cancelling games and seems content with Halo, Gears and Forza offerings year after year.

[LordJamar]

again sea of thieves, crack down 3, state of decay 2, whatever else at e3, halo and gears wont be at e3 and wont be another game soon

[dilbig5]

New IP that really is half/half on whether it will survive, a sequel to an zombie survival game, and a game that got announced 2+ years ago. Whatever they announce at e3 probably wont even come out til next year or the year after if at all.

[DarXyde]

I wish I understood Microsoft's position better. They're pretty committed to the idea that they simply must have the most powerful console. I cannot say I agree. It's like they concede on software and just went for power. Maybe their approach will yield some success. Again, I wish I understood their mindset better.

Also, I've been saying for a while that, the more powerful these devices are, it will take that much more power to see the difference. It's a lot like megapixels where increasing the numbers will work up to a certain point but will require that much more to represent the differences accurately. It's why differences between the current hardware are best shown on a larger display. Then again, I also believe the specs were designed in a way that would allow for some better optimizations to allow for some pretty impressive differences. If DF believes that Pro's performance outclassed its expectations, there's little reason to believe Scorpio cannot do the same.

I don't really agree with Microsoft betting on specs since software is and always will be the priority, so, whether you see Microsoft's offering as better or not, out makes more sense to invest there.

[Nexus530]

I'm a happy PS4Pro owner and that's down to the games. I'm no fan boy but there is literally nothing exclusive to Xbox which interests me. I really do hope that Microsoft blows me away with loads of new exclusive titles for their new machine, and I'm sure they will.

On the other hand if they don't and they rely on console power alone to sell it at £400-500+ they're gonna have a hard time.

I really don't get the fan boy abuse on here to be honest. Just play and enjoy great games whatever system they're on. Here's to Sony and Microsoft keeping the industry alive. In this contest the biggest winners are us the gamers. Peace

[Matology]

Both consoles will be good. And I can't wait to unbox Xbox One X for you guys.

[Maxor]

Here's all I know. If the Pro is 30 FPS and the Scorpio is also 30 FPS. It's RIP Scorpio.

[maybelovehate]

Basically you will see better graphics. If you like graphics, you will want the Scorpio for 3rd party games.

[LordJamar]

the xbox Scorpio down play is so real its like there scared it will be successful and good like its gonna hurt them

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

One will have more flops the other more exclusives!

[TheUndertaker85]

The writer misses one point while going on to show that Scorpio is indeed more powerful than Pro.

A base PS4 offers 8GB GDDR5. 3.5GB is reserved allowing developers 4.5GB to work with.
A base Xbox One offers 8GB DDR3 & 32MB ESRAM. 3GB is reserved allowing developers 5GB to work with.
A PS4 Pro offers 8GB GDDR5 & 1GB DDR3. 3.5GB is still reserved allowing developers 5.5GB to work with.
A Scorpio is set to offer 12GB GDDR5 with 4GB being reserved allowing 8GB to be used by developers.

People keep talking about marginal which is true in regards to what developers can use on PS4, Xbox One, and PS4 Pro as they're all within 1GB of each other. However Scorpio is set to offer developers 2.5GB more to work with than the nearest console being PS4 Pro. Xbox One will follow further by 3GB and a base PS4 by 3.5 GB. Yes, we've seen the advantages of GDDR5. However Scorpio will also offer that.

Scorpio isn't as marginal as what's available now nor as marginal as many other things that have came up on the market in the past. It should be great for developers in particular.

[bluebenjamin]

I think I may trade my Ps4 pro in for scorpio#dontjudgemeInmightkeep iIdontknow?

[TheUndertaker85]

Do what's best for you and worry about the rest later. There'll likely be trade deals to pop up so waiting before deciding doesn't hurt.

I'm in for Scorpio as I have a Xbox One S right now along with a 4K TV. My Gold is paid up so Scorpio looks to offer the best value for me. I've even purchased some 4K Blu-Ray content since I can utilize it. 🙂

[Maxor]

I'm considering this as well. But the Scorpio must have a 60 FPS advantage in games over the Pro.

[bluebenjamin]

I agree along with better textures thats my gripe with pro'My Alienware Alpha graphics have impressed me more than my pro and its a 1080p machine which means resolution isnt the only thing thats needed for an impressive picture

[kamakaz3md]

fanboy article! Why does this website let people do this? This website use to be the best!

[Ulf]

Like last gen, Microsoft will now win every crossplat game comparison, and Sony will still have the most exclusives, which look great purely by nature of focused development. Microsoft's exclusives almost can't avoid looking great, on Scorpio, but having enough compelling ones is always the real challenge.

I actually prefer MS to Sony, when it comes to satisfaction with getting what I pay for (Crossplat features with PC/Win10, BC with 360, online service in general) -- but... I want to pay for more exclusive content, and that's why I still own a PS4. I'd prefer that MS step up to the exclusives "plate", as it were, and give Sony a good beatdown, such that Sony will improve their service again (why do they get lazy/greedy when they are ahead? PS Now? Really?).

[jhoward585]

Yeah, Sony has the best talent in the bussiness when it come to game development. So far, MS list of games looks uninteresting to me. I'll wait til E3 to see what games MS have for the scorpio.

[gamingisnotacrime]

i like the improvement with PS4 pro, specially with boost mode on racing games. For me is a big deal, Tomb Raider looks amazing on 4K

[TheUndertaker85]

"Boost Mode" is already a feature for Scorpio. Just doesn't need to be called "boost mode" because all Xbox One/Xbox 360 content will already receive a boost from Scorpio.
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[gamingisnotacrime]

What is your point? Im just pointing out that i enjoy the ps4 pro boost. The good of one does not take away from th other

[TheUndertaker85]

My point is "Boost Mode" was added to PS4 Pro after launch giving it that name. The features will already be built into Scorpio and even expand into Xbox 360 titles on top of Xbox One titles.

[Snk91]

The greatest console of all time is on it's way...

[Mithan]

Scorpio is not going to run 4k/60FPS unless you reduce the graphics significantly, and no I don't care what fanboy idiots say or Microsoft Says. You can barely get that on a 1080Ti (almost 13TF and a better CPU), and certainly not on all games and certainly not with future games which will have more and better effects.

Anyways, good on Microsoft for releasing a better console. Hopefully developers ignore the PS4 and Xbox One soon enough and switch to producing games for a PS4 Pro and Scorpio, that way my PC ports of games will stop suffering.

[Suwarbox1]

These xbox fanboys are too gullible. They buy into every BS PR that MS throws at them.

[DarXyde]

I'm skeptical. I would say 4k/60fps seems feasible on Scorpio. Pro seems to be able to run at 4.2TF with an apparent performance doubling that. Or, it seems that way, according to some earlier reports. I don't think we give dedicated hardware enough credit. You sound like you built a PC, so perhaps you know better than I do. I feel that PC will outperform consoles, but you'll get more out of a console's performance than PC. Since there's no dedicated PC setup, I feel that games never take complete advantage of hardware the way they do on consoles. Basically, I imagine that if you take an equal spec console and PC, you'll get more out of the dedicated console than a PC where games may not be made with that specific setup in mind.

That said, I don't expect games like Gears to be running at 4k/60fps, but hey, I've been wrong before. I suppose we'll see.

[DarXyde]

uRaDecepticon,

On Scorpio? Do you have any links to support that?

[Phill-Spencer]

I really have to congratulate ms for revealing scorpio specs/ tech right in time when xb-owners started acknowledge/ appreciating ps4's lineup. Even the xbox hardliners did this and admitted that ms really has to put in work for more and better games. The danger of a large margin of the remaining users changing the camp was indeed probable after the years of dissapointments and buying into fake hypes and gamechanger.

But now since we read and heard about scorpio these very same users( some of them are here in this comment section) finally feel like they are in a position again where they are part of the "winning" team and start downplaying ps4/ pro+exclusives while hyping up the most powerful console ever!

Ofcourse they set themselves up for the next dissapointment when realising that 1. the visuals won't be worlds apart from the competition, 2. userbase won't grow significant hence not winning in sales and after their own hype settled down and they realise there are still only a few worthwile games on their beastly machine so they will be switching either back to defense mode like they were since 2013 or jump ship.

#boredomin4kand60fps
#allsmokeandmirrors
#thebeastwillfail

[LifesChoice]

It seems the only problem the Scorpio has is the XB-One, your only as good as your weakest link in my opinion, that is what will hold back scorpio more than anything else.
PS4 and pro have enough base headroom for the bottom-line not to hold back what developers envision.
The main draw is getting performance on base XboxOne at peak efficiency for actual in-engine performance, sure things will always scale up- but this process doesn't work in reverse.
I dont think people realize that development of games still reside with the base hardware, of course you can always ramp up visuals and optimize, but that starts with base hardware. Limitations of what to expect were set when the original xbone launched.
Its like people expect everyone with an xbone to ditch it for an Scorpio, and I'm sure microsoft isn't going to be selling enough scorpions to even compete with its own sales of the oneS. Ps4 slim outsells pro every month.
I think base hardware matters more than anything, hooray for Microsoft and Sony satisfying the power hungry, but thinking its going to all of sudden shake up the game industry is pure ignorance.
But ok, i guess ignorance reigns supreme still.