While the original promise of Kinect "was so enormous," Peter Molyneux believes the "actual delivery of that promise fell so far short."
2 billions dollars out of the window.
Kinect was rubbish but fanat-x touted it as the best control scheme which resulted in Microsoft making a new one which helped the xbox one to a massive failure this gen
When Kinect was about to release for X1 the hype already gone down hill, maybe not for hardcore Xbox fans but to everyone else the thing was already out the door at the time. No good software and severely hampered hardcore 1stp party games and not delivering on all of its promises. I think Kinect for vanilla X1 was Don's doing ultimately just like not playing used games and 25 hr check in.
It's pretty powerful camera tech and it was wasted on gaming. I saw some better uses for the tech outside of gaming.
@Darth Yeah better uses like that conference MS held for hollywood insiders, where they said in the future they could use the kinect camera to charge people per head when they rent movies at home. That was a much better use for kinect. Another great use was how MS could collect data about you and send it back to MS headquarters about things like whether you are a depressed or happy person or about what times of the day you are at home. All great non-gaming uses.
@AngelicIceDiamond But not even a single hardcore Xbox fan is going to say they would love to go back to the Kinect leeching 10% GPU power from their already undepowered Xbone console. Even darth couldn't do it lol. "I saw some better uses for the tech outside of gaming". Name 3 lol and 3 from the ACTUAL retail/customer end, not fantasy/vapor talk.
Perfect example of how fanboy apologists can hurt the industry.
The majority never touted it as "THE BEST" control scheme. Those of us that liked it, liked it for what it was. A good product in the gaming world, is only as good as the games that are made for it. Kinect lacked the software push from Microsoft. Simple as that.
@Software_Lover I think it lacked the functionality from the get go. No tangible controller was touted by many as its Achilles heel from the first fake n bake demos. It ended up only being relevant for basic level gaming (super casual) and voice controls. We didn't have personal guys behind our curtains at home to get it to do magical things. MS trying to push it for the x1 launch did not help their cause. Those things are get better reception when they're not forced onto people. Once that uturn freed the bond, the sales of kinect 2 were reflective of the desire and support for it
Didn't ol' Pete tout the tech at one point and promise an unforgettable experience direct from his studio?
I'm pretty sure everyone was certain Kinect controls were flawed after a couple of kinect games and psmove games. Not sure what fanat-x besides heavily intoxicated people you could be talking about. Even the new kinect for xbox one wasn't even promoted so much as a gaming device and more as a voice command device. That is and was its primary function after a couple of failed kinect games. The phrase "Xbox on" was everywhere. Nobody asked for the Kinect. Not even fanat-x as you call them. Hence the backlash with it being bundled at launch. @AngelicIceDiamond The hardcore xbox fans dont really buy kinect games. It is insulting, im sure, to the actual hardcore fans that you would even suggest they cared much for the kinect.
Pew pew pew.
Anyone remember that one time Kinect won most innovative game on G4TV. With a straight face Sessler tried to justify giving an accessory an award in a category specifically for games.
Molyneux sure did try to see it. Here is an Ign parody featuring Jessica Chaobat https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Hahahahha. I remember that xD
I've never owned a Connect. But did people hate the idea of motion sensing or just how poorly it was implemented? Just wondering as if it would ever resurface in the future would a better implementation make it more useful? Although the idea of a camera in my house is not one I like. I put that in the same category as Amazon Alexa or Google's device.
Lack of games was the biggest problem
Is the Playstation camera 720p?
Hhhmm.. they sold millions of Kinect hardware for the XBox 360 though. Sony's MOVE was more of a disaster. Sony killed it after the 1st year it was so bad. Microsoft actually made money off their first Kinect. The new Kinect for the XB1 was a complete disaster though. Taunted to be something BIG for the XB1 and yet Don Mattrick had pretty much ZERO software for it and nothing for it's future. Thankfully Phil quickly pulled the plug on it after he took charge. I never understood why they though it was needed for the XB1 to begin with. Now we'll wait and see what VR brings. It's already slowly crumbling on the PS4. Microsoft was smart to let 3rd party companies foot the bill for a VR unit. Hopefully Oculus Rift will get a nice price cut before Scorpio is released.
Imagine if those 2 billion dollars went to games.
That's like 2 whole weeks of cab ride in new York.
The dark ages of the motion control gimmick.
Its funny cause at the end he says it reminds him of VR
Except VR is great.
Unlike Kinect, VR actually works, it just hasn't had it's potential realized yet.
@bluefox: That sounds eerily similar to what was said about Kinect. lmao!
except VR works....
@Bluefox Im totally getting a deja vu feeling
Milo was interesting and I do believe that they were onto something. If sea-man for the Sega Dreamcast could work so well you would think that Milo could have been a killer app and a game changer, not a video game but something more.
Kinect as technology was is amazing ESP the 2nd edition it was just not supported by the software developers and Microsoft in the same way. Just like ps move and even the psvr now. What was done outside the Xbox was amazing using it to control operations, help people walk. The gient keyboard programme looked fun to. I kind of feel kinect has been moved into hololens now and this seems to be getting some great apps and i think this could be the next big thing but not for another 10 or so years when they become glasses size as it could replace your phone and pc even a console and TV.
Milo wasn't even a game. It was a tech demo that people touted up as being the most amazing thing ever. The premise was cool, but hardly worth getting excited over with a game. On top of that, the demo itself was proven to be staged, so it didn't even work the way it was supposed to, so in the end, it wasn't even a good demonstration of what they were trying to show. On top of that, what they were showing, didn't even require an expensive camera. It was all software, and could have been handled with a cheap webcam and microphone. Nothing in the demo itself needed anything in the Kinect to be realized. I never understood why people were so excited for Milo. I could see some applications for AR/VR in it myself, but the actual showing of the tech was lackluster, and since it was staged, completely worthless. There were better demonstrations of AR/VR before milo, but the Xbox hardcore made it out to be something more than it was.
@rainslacker: Thing is, even when accepting this spin that Milo was only ever presented as a tech demo, Kinect still failed to deliver to any real degree on that "tech demo". None of the full games shown when Kinect was first presented delivered. Its never scanned real world items into games. Its never been an accurate tracking system. Yet the fan base talked it up like it was going to eventually replace standard controllers. That's probably the issue: the fan base exaggerating claims.
"Molyneux believes the "actual delivery of that promise fell so far short" Well he should know...
but he still defends milo.
I know. Its probably because it was his projecct.
Don't you still defend Milo?
@Godmars290 "Don't you still defend Milo?" i defend milo as much as you defend microsoft.
Milo was crap. Wasn't even a real interactive experience. The whole thing was rehearsed. lol!! Peter needs to go back to his roots. I still love Populus.
I dont know how this guy can be taken seriously after Milo
Yeah because he's always been so honest. Fable 1 anybody
Kinect and Xbone shall not be forgotten
Lol! Lmao! What's really funny and ironic was that he was one of the individuals responsible for the lies and the demise of Kinect. Bravo Peter! Microsoft first went cheap in creating Kinect by leaving the chip out that would have helped it track better. https://www.kotaku.com.au/2... And, used the console to process the information. But then, this happened http://i.imgur.com/ra4b3dk.... Then, spent over 500 million over selling the lie. Star wars https://static1.gamespot.co... http://static1.gamespot.com... Milo https://m.youtube.com/watch... And this was really embarrassing https://s.blogcdn.com/www.j... Oh Itagaki. How the mighty have fallen https://s.blogcdn.com/www.e... And then this gen with a better version, this happened https://rebootillinois.com/... Such a sad state of events that led to it's demise. If they wouldn't have swooped in and stole the technology out from underneath Dr Marks and Sony, https://m.youtube.com/watch...
And even though Dr Marks is a nice guy, you can tell he was pissed that Microsoft did that when he spent all that time working with prime sense only to have Microsoft be shady about it and buy up the tech. (1:00-1:03) https://m.youtube.com/watch... You can tell he wants to say something but he works for Sony and just figured he would just let it go. Becoming Zen about it. Almost as bad as when Immersion sued Sony for rumble. They sued Microsoft, but Microsoft gave in. Then Microsoft bought into Immersion to stick it to Sony and get paid from the lawsuit. https://www.law360.com/arti... Real upstanding company that Microsoft. I liked the tech in depth sensing cameras but I'm glad Microsoft failed in the end for what they did. And now that Sony owns Softkinetic who specializes in depth camera technology, https://m.youtube.com/watch... all's well that ends well with PSVR being the hot ticket. And Kinect in the bargain bin and loss of support.
Sounds more like Sony passed on a great opportunity, just like how they passed on Titanfall. I would be bitter too.
Didn't he hype Kinect as the next big thing?
Peter M did. Or was paid to hype it beyond its capabilities.If you watch the Milo video above, you ask yourself: 1.How was Kinect tracking the woman's hands so close to the television monitor when Kinect needed space and distance to see you? Then, you'll ask yourself : 2. If Milo was so advanced, how come Microsoft didn't try to launch Xbox one with him being that the new console and Kinect 2 was so advanced over 360 to make him better? Not only that, but Microsoft could have added Milo into Hololens or built the awareness Milo supposedly had into Cortana for windows 10 and Xbox one. Used the cloud to make him or Cortana even more smarter. Microsoft knew that they had nothing and were just trying to overshadow PS move like they tried to overshadow PSVR with Hololens at E3. Hololens is interesting tech. But where is Hololens? Not in gamers hands either. And not anytime soon. And not with full FOV like they portrayed it to have instead of that little window. Microsoft puts on dog and pony shows to hide their misleading behavior. But if you're smart and perceptive, you can catch them in the lie and hype. Guess what they are hyping now? And will it do all the things the snake oil bottle says it will do?
Sony is just as bad don't fool yourself. As for right now, I wouldn't call the Scorpio snake oil, it looks great.
i feel you there Peter M. is a has been that was good back in the day but now means nothing in modern gaming. When was the last time he wasnt blowing smoke? Microsoft likes to show games and then take years to release them.
I hope sony and playstation never become like this. This is ridiculous
I still can't get over how last years scorpio reveal somehow made people believe in it. I mean true pixels? you have to be kidding me. It doesn't mean anything. They also tried to leverage HDR as a graphics technology. It is a monitor technology and has nothing to do with the power of the scorpio. The Scorpio might be a great machine, but their marketing is ugly and full of deciets
"Microsoft knew that they had nothing..." Just like how Bill Gates sold his DOS idea to IBM lol.
You forgot the mighty power of the cloud, bro xD
@annoyedgamer: Its snake oil and hype up to and until it has a game that's uniquely its own. Something other than a PC port that exploits the hardware. Edit: With an example as big as Kinect/Milo, I don't see how MS credibility regarding gaming hasn't generally fallen into question.
Motion controls were just a gimmick for all consoles
Meet you demise Kinect and get eaten by some hollows too.
It happens every company has a product that failed For Microsoft it was Kinect For Sony they can not get their Portables to catch on For Nintendo it was the Wii U
Yeah kinect was a bit different.
PSP is knocking and it sold great it was the vita that underperformed in the US and is still being actively supported in japan and mostly digitally in the states but is definitely on life support.
Kinect is amazing but only when used for non gaming/xbox requirements. Used it in a few projects for mo cap now and had good results. We're now trying to combine it with hololens and applying textures in HLens to moving objects captured by kinect. Bit of fun for now
I can think of something Molyneux was involved that was nothing like what was promised too..
All other Peripherals (gimmicks) historically have failed on both MS and Sonys part which is why nothing has stuck around except VR (for now). From Cameras to Handhelds My favorite was PsTV lol
I'm interested to see if VR will fade out. I feel like it could be good but they tried to implement it too early. You need a really powerful system if you want good graphics and frame rates high enough that users don't feel sick.
lawgone if it does well enough for a psvr 2 on ps5 then vr will stay around if not it will die for a little bit and eventually come back when the tech for it is cheaper
i think Sony had a good shot. They have some games for PSVR. Heres the thing, releasing it along side the Pro really didnt do them well. I really dont see people racing to pick it up anymore now that its widely available. If it doesnt pick up by this holiday season you can consider it dead. Like PSVita, PsTV, PSNow, PSMove and PS3D Gaming.
Yeah like isnt he the guy that promises the most groundbreaking, cutting edge, doing thongs never seen before then releases Spore?
Spore? Spore was made by EA Maxis and Will Wright of the sims fame. I think molyneux has been panned for other underdelivering games like the first fable, curiousity and Godus. I actually quite like Molyneux. As long as you understand that he is talking from a highly conceptual standpoint he makes some great points.
What's sad about the gaming community is that it hurts itself over and over again with the stupid fanboys. Rooting for a console to fail and actively trying to make that happen is about as dumb as you can get. MS took a chance with something different and got hammered for it by fanboys and then the media. So what's going to happen next gen? Increased specs but zero innovation. That's all we'll get. Innovation gets punished so why innovate? Hell, Sony was so convinced by fanboys that they don't want their gaming consoles to do anything but game that they didn't even put a 4K Blu Ray player in their 4K (ish) Pro console. That was you fanboys...you're the reason that happened. Brilliant as always.
Rooting for something to fail does not make it fail. Not working as advertised does. No amount of Sony fanboy forum posts killed it, demos showing twisting avatars and games that didn't work did. Xbox fanboys certainly did pick up Kinect in droves much less buy it's games, just like neither didn't buy the Wii yet it became a strong seller. Then it failed because that same increased marked didn't buy its games. Showed it for the fan that it was. Everything said here means nothing. Which is why devs and publishers pay it n mind.
What's sad about the gaming community is that it hurts itself over and over again with the stupid fanboys. Kinect defenders acted like kinect games weren't crap and millions bought kinect, even though the games sucked. With the kinect being successful on 360, they focused the xbox one around it. If people would've said something earlier xbox one might not have such a crappy console. Kinect failed because it sucked for games, had no good games, and was never going to be good for playing games. Its not about punishing innovation (LOL). If it was a good product, it would have been successful. I think sony always used the disk player of the media they put their games on, so unless they were going to put games on 4k bluray, don't see why they would use it in their console. Did you like playing kinect games?