I am not big on indies and that is a huge part of my issue with the switch. It is a mobile platform not a console. They can call it a console all they want but is well below the current gen in terms of power and features to say nothing of AAA support. Zelda and Mario are simply not enough for me to justify it, neither is Splatoon 2 so I just see no reason to get it. Perhaps down the road. but not being a fan of mobile gaming, the appeal is very low to me.
I have actually seen it and played it at PAX South and I found it small and fragile and did not impress me at all. I do not like mobile gaming and to me, 299.99 plus the cost of a Microsd for a system that has no 4K abilities, no VR support, limited AAA title support, and a weak launch lineup just had no interest for me. I actually had a pre-order in place at Amazon and cancelled it and got a 4K TV instead. I will wait and see where it is down the road but it is not worth the price to me currently.
If you're not going to buy Zelda or Mario I could fully 100% understand how this would be an extremely tough sell to you what franchises are you looking for on this platform?
I also understand that it is a portable and clearly not a triple A console in regards to PlayStation 4 or Xbox one level games but Nintendo has never really catered to that specific Market in the first place so technically speaking how was this really any different than their previous platforms that they actually released and the last two generations?
I believe if Nintendo is going to release games to the same quality that they did the last two generations you actually should be fine even if this is not a dedicated console simply because it already has the power of their previous console anyway so it easily could replicate those experiences despite not really being a dedicated Home console device.
Let me put it to you this way in the next ten to fifteen years yes there will be a portable that is likely two to three times stronger than the PlayStation 4 Are you seriously telling me that if it was also a portable you would not care for the quality presented? So yes in comparison to something like PlayStation 5 or Playstation 6 what have you it's not going to look as good but it actually does not mean you cannot get a quality experience.
The way I'm looking at the architecture and the actual quality of the games it's no different than what you saw from the Wii U so if you didn't care for the quality of those games this is not going to change your mind.
But you have to consider even if this was a standalone dedicated Home console that could only play on the television do you seriously think Nintendo was going to release a platform that was at least strong enough to support the current Generations games? Did they do that for the last two generations? So what's really telling you that they were ever going to do that this time around? For all you know if the switch was simply just a Home console and nothing else it likely would have been the exact same power anyway.
I just watch the whole video and I am impressed. Clearly Nintendo is making an actual effort to push for a constant stream of content on the Switch. Some of the indie titles they showed definitely appeal to me. I will almost certainly buy WarGroove and Stardew Valley on it.
I would say it depends on the quality like any game this is one of the few times where I actually think it would be best for Nintendo to begin to select the type of quality they want on their platform because from what we saw from the steam store so iOS I think this is one of those instances where they need quality control I would argue even on PlayStation 4 and Xbox One they need that same type of quality control there are some god-awful crappy games on some of these stores that don't deserve any type of attention whatsoever
I would say they make it even harder for the better independent games to get attention.
I don't know why anybody is disagreeing, I like Nintendo and Sony and I feel that this shouldn't become the google play store or the app store for iOS, garbage bloatware and numerous cheap money grabs... Nintendo should at least uphold the quality that it presents on its console.
@c_a- agreed I believe it hurts the industry because it starts making it sound as if the value of some of these games is Justified when in reality the price is that these companies are putting for the shovel where is making it seem as if the quality titles are overpriced and I believe it starts hurting other properties and users are unable to see which are good games by the Sea of shovelware.
People have the audacity to get upset about the price of Mario run but the reality is Mario run is not overpriced the crappy games that are on the iOS store are just cheap and garbage, so much so that they're actually devaluing the quality games and I believe that hurts really great developers that might have amazing Concepts but get overshadowed by all the crappy titles.
this is a very difficult subject simply because you sort of straddle the line of becoming some sort of software Nazi I'm not really saying that these companies should start throwing games off of the network but I believe that they should have a specific standard of quality if there is a game that is too much like several other games and my personal opinion the console manufactured needs to elect having the title not show up.
Something like that actually exist inside of real estate in which a company cannot just simply make a specific store in and certain area the actual County must be okay with having such a store exist and they actually have a limit on specific types of stores so they're not essentially oversaturated with the same thing.
It's getting to the point where these shovelware developers are putting their sights on any platform with a damn controller to the point where they're actually harming real developer that actually really develop for the sole purpose of being creative.
I think consumers need to start really taking a look at this cuz they need to understand what would have happened to titles like limbo or Super Meat Boy if they entered the market today?
How many amazing titles are lost because of this practice?
Though I don't agree with Nintendo seal of approval Generations prior because I actually believed it was way way too harsh and was restricting too much developers I believe this would be the time in which they should bring that back specifically for independent Developers.
I truly believe we do not need Nintendo store PlayStation Network Xbox Live or steam looking like the iOS store
I'd argue that Yooka-Laylee feels like a AAA effort. That said, holy crap Steamworld Dig 2?! Took me completely by surprise; it'll be a great joy to whip that out during bus rides, in theaters before the show starts, and in restaurants while waiting for my food to arrive, amongst other examples. There's so many indies on that list that I want, that I feel I now have justification for purchasing some extra memory sooner rather than later.
No. I, contrary to your actions, haven't conveniently "forgotten" that headphones and volume controls exist. I respect those around me when gaming in public; Headphones or mute.
And just FYI, you've probably whipped out your phone in those cases more often than I've whipped out my 3DS. Just sayin'. Stay classy, dude.;p
Haha not sure what I'm salty about? You'll be the one looking like a full on bona-fide 12 year old playing your Switch at a restaurant or movie. Your mom gonna have to make you to turn it off when your food comes?
Mine taught me better. Yours, obviously, hasn't even taught you when to shut up when you're behind, let alone when you've lost. Go home, kid. *reported, mic drop.*
I believe the wording was that they had over 80 games from 1st and 3rd party companies in active development. If I'm not mistaken, I think Nintendo usually distinguishes between 3rd party and indies, so I don't think these indie games are necessarily part of that 80+.Stuff like Shovel Knight might be since it has wide scale appeal and is widely recognizable, but I don't think the rest of them are in that set.
I don't even think that makes any sense because there was not even enough high-profile developers to even support that number, they specifically just said games so it is very likely they're referring to all the games collectively
I dunno, man for every 1 good indie game there's like 10 that look like some student project from Full Sail. I mean even on the Wii and Wii U the eshop is a joke so for people to be busting' out the champagne over 60 eshop indie titles on the Switch seems like they're grasping for straws on something to be happy about. I mean it's sure as sh*t that Nintendo fanboys can't be happy about the launch line up or the hardware specs.
True, i don't think there are more high quality indies than there are low quality, but this is changing.
There are more high quality indies there were just a few years ago. The high quality indie catalog is getting better and better.
I really think than a lot of these small devs with little funding deserve a shot like the big guys. They work really hard and that shows in a lot of their games.
Real talk; Why do you even care? Oh, right, because Nintendo and its fans aren't allowed to be happy about anything on your watch. SMH.
We're excited because most of these are good, high-quality games that cater to those with broad tastes. Disagree all you like, but that's the truth of it.
I don't even care about indies on PS4 or Xbone so chill out you scrub. So the Switch gets a bunch of shovelware big whoop. Glad it doesn't take much to make Nintendo fans happy or you guys would be royally pissed.
Shovelware? Yeah, sure buddy. Yooka-Laylee and Steam World Dig 2 are the tip of the none-shovelware iceberg. Your inability to properly appreciate or understand their value doesn't lower them.
Also, scrub? WTF, really? What are you, 15? ROFL, okay, you adorably crazy little narrow-minded dude-bro troll, just shuffle on back under your bridge with your "AAA" trash talking straight out of some Call of Duty public server. Leave the discussion of the quality of indies to those that don't adhere to the "Triple-A 4K or no way!" mantra.XD *mic drop*
I really can't tell if you're joking or not. If you're not, gawwwwwd that's sad as hell.
Also did you just call me adorable?
Glad your console is letting you play some of the indie games out there and actually giving you a few that are coming out. That'd be especially sh*tty if Nintendo couldn't get the indie scene support.
I'll be happy playing those "Triple-A 4k or no way" games and maybe 10 of those 60 indie games on a better console because well, let's face it, indie games are a crap shoot in quality.
Lol, like it's almost embarrassing how hard you try. I do get a good laugh out of it even if you are pretty sad.
I would actually agree with Crimson on this one simply because independent games get the same type of scrutiny on other platforms I'm pretty positive the people and iOS and steam and Playstation 4 and Xbox One are not just going crazy for all the Indies that are releasing on their platform especially the ones that are releasing in complete or just basic shovelware.
Also please dear God stay on topic, why are you so easily unravelled?
I'm not sure why you singled out Nintendo in their install base how do you know Crimson doesn't technically feel this way about all indie games?
This is one of those situations where I believe Nintendo might want to reconsider bringing back that seal of approval and even outright denying some of those games going on the platform simply because there is just a ridiculous number of bad independent titles out there that actually heard they're really good titles from getting the attention they deserve.
Mind you I actually feel that way about steam iOS PlayStation Network and Xbox Live I think it's about time those networks start policing the quality of those games a little bit more especially PlayStation and Xbox.
( people pay for specific privileges on those networks and I believe they deserve something)
I believe even valve is considering getting rid of steam Early Access because of the bad reputation that it has had for independent Developers
I think out of maybe 15 to 20 games I play a year maybe one or two of them are independent games I would say the vast majority of independent games I have on PlayStation 3 I just downloaded for free
I would actually say by default the indie game most Gamers have probably played within the hardcore Market is probably the Witcher 3, but that is the exception to the rule
Not all independent companies are like CD projekt Red.
I'm not saying that transistor Super Meat Boy and a bunch of other classics should not come to the switch, simply that you don't want the bad games flooding that market just like I don't like that crap all over PlayStation Network.
It actually begins devaluing the community and even starts to hurt better developers from getting the advertising that they deserve.
I really can't tell if you're joking or not. If you're not, gawwwwwd that's sad as hell."
Oh, this coming from some casual straight out of Call of Duty that uses the word "scrub", and draws out the "word" gawd like some pre-teen girl throwing a fit at her parents.XD Laugh all you like, but you're the sad one, spending literal hours of your days on this site bashing a console you don't like just to screw with its fans. The rest of us will be having fun for quite literally months on end, while you sit there scoffing like some stuck-up third party elitist that can't see past the size of their "AAA" ego.
Go back to your system sections and leave these kinds of articles. You'll be doing everyone, yourself included, a favor.*mic drop, walks out*
I happen to like more than Call of Duty and I think it's ok to say the "word" gawd. I mean have you seen yourself in your comments? You straight up do emojis and I'd argue that's more "pre-teen girly" than saying gawd.
And as for "spending literal hours of your days on this site bashing a console you don't like just to screw with its fans." Buddy, you're the only one that takes offense to anything I say. I usually post my thoughts on a story and respond to anyone that comments good or bad. You're on here way more than I am White Knighting trying your best to defend Nintendo even when they're complete morons.
Hell, I welcome anyone to read my previous comments on Nintendo's stupidity. I've given them credit where credit is due and I've leaned into them when they repeat their mistakes. Make no mistake on this pal, I'm not fanboying here like you. I'm making sure there's a balance to what you fanboys go ape sh*t for. Nintendo has been failing and you were probably one of those chuds that thought the Wii U was incredible. I will continually post my reactions and thoughts to whatever article I want to. This isn't Oz over here in Nintendo World for you Nintendo fans. If something is wrong I'll say it wherever I damn well feel to and I I cordially invite you to do the same.
Who is "the rest of us"? You label yourself just as much as any fanboy. I'm glad you'll be having fun months on end. Nintendo needs people like you. Just anyone who actually knows anything about the game industry and what makes a console stay afloat knows there's more to a console than that first party library and that there indie library, but I understand the mental deficiencies you fanboys have. I usually shake my head and roll my eyes, not out of of contempt, but rather because I feel sad at how you can't face facts and jump for joy at the most mundane news for the Switch.
I hate to tell you friend-o, but just as I have to share these forums with you you need to share them with mwah and I'll be here when the stories come and talk about the sales plateauing after all the initial brand loyalists are done buying the console and I'll be here when third parties pull support from lack luster sales. I'm sure you'll be here too defending the hell out of Nintendo and y'know what I'll always enjoy the laughs you can bring from your awesome "pre-teen girl" gushing comments about how Nintendo is perfect and everyone else is wrong.
XD
Did I do that emoji right? Is it adorable and "pre-teen girly" enough?
Also, what mic?
Side note:
You see the difference between you and Zodiac? Clearly he is excited about the indie games but also has a good head on his/her shoulders. Neither one of us is all up in arms like you get. Just sayin' and is this a good time to drop my imaginary mic because I'm such an adult?
I'm convinced I've somehow been warped in to some alternate dimension where the Cubs are World Series Champions, Donald Trump is the US President, and someone actually gives a fuck about indie games that frequent humble bundles where you get 400 games for $3 just because it's on whatever random piece of shit Nintendo pushes out.
I mean I guess there is only so much that the hardware is capable of running but I expected more than a next gen Ouya.
For me indie games are perfect for taking on the go. Developers will not need to make compromises due to power differences and many like escapists 2 will be able be played with local co-op. Also some indies like fast rmx are fantastic games. A bit of a random mention as its not on switch but outlast is possibly my favourite horror game ever made and that is an indie. My point is, hidden amongst the masses of indies, lies the occasional gem. Also no mans sky is an indie game, look at the hype that received. Plus this was just an indie showcase and doesn't even mention the dozens of other games heading to switch. Oh and just for info i took your question for what it is, a simple question. I didn't really see any malice or trolling etc, monkey seems to be a bit off his game today.
Hey I'll totally agree that not all indie games are garbage and to give credit where credit is due they've gotten much better than they have been, but regardless of the console I just don't see why anyone would be jumping for joy that a console is getting X amount of indie games. Isn't that par for the course? I'd have the same reception if there was a story that PS4 or Xbone were getting 60 indie games.
I feel if you're trying to show off the capabilities of your console and entice consumers to purchase your console on the library of software... indie games aren't exactly the way to do it. I mean look at the Wii and Wii U eshop, it's a complete dumpster dive to find anything worthwhile.
And here's the thing, when you're level headed about it exactly like how your response is I totally respect it. We may not agree, but it's not like we're throwing fists of diction at one another.
Impressive. For me switch would be the best place to play any indie due to the choice of portable or home options. I have said it before but to me Nintendo would do extremely well if they made the console the go to indie station. Combine this with Nintendo first party and it will be a great combo. Escapists 2 with local multiplayer on the go and yooka Laylee are must haves.
Regarding the video..was I the only person getting irritated by the constant " with hd rumble" comments.
Lots of good games showcased and I will be buying a good number of them especially Shakedown Hawaii and Blaster Master. I was sitting there at the begining of the video thinking about Retro City Rampage and how its been a long time since I heard any updates on its sequel and boom Nintendo delivered. Awesome.
Stardew Valley, Shakedown Hawaii, Mr. Shifty, Celeste, Steamworld Dig 2, Snakepass, Yooka Laylee, Fast RMX, Tumbleseed, and Battle Princess Madelyn are all indie games that look fantastic and will definitely be bought and downloaded to my Switch 😎👌🏼
If Nintendo plays their cards right they can get the same people that own steam games to convert. The hardware makes it easy to port those games to. The fact is their is not a lot announced on the AAA Fremont but I know for a fact when game systems start moving developers will see it as a viable platform to get game sales on.
Never been big on indies but I think I'll be picking up quite a few of these games. At least it will temporarily fill the virtual console void
Is Fallen legion and Beyond human a playstation exclusive?
Runner 3 exclusively for Switch looks incredible!
Switch launch is fantastic, lots more to come
Man, some of these titles look fantastic. I will definitely grab Runner 3, the first 2 are among my favorite indie games.