2018 And 2019 Games Could Show True Power of Project Scorpio, Says Analyst

The games people see on Project Scorpio at launch probably won't be too different compared to how they look on other platforms, but eventually they will.

[chrisx]

What games? Without a steady stream of top quality games all that power means nothing

[freshslicepizza]

crackdown 3 is coming, state of decay 2 is coming, sea of thieves is coming. how often have you talked about those games? if you are a gamer you would be talking about each game one by one. have you made any comments about cuphead? halo wars 2?

plus all the multiplat games will now be on the most powerful console. you know, the majority of games mostly bought on the ps4.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Wow moldy. 3 comments already. That's some heavy defending of a *console* for a "PC gamer." Impressive. How come you never do that for PlayStation or Nintendo? Lol! Please don't be so obvious and say something like "you're doing a fine job on your own apocalypse." That would be too predictable.

Anyway, this should be an obvious thing for a newer console to have potentially higher quality LOOKING games.They've had all this time to make one being so late to the game. I'm expecting PS4 Pro or better with all this waiting. Even though cloud power was supposed to make Xbox one 3x as powerful *without* Scorpio.

3rd parties will take advantage of it though. And, VR support will only strengthen VR as a whole.But still doesn't change the lack of 1st party studios, 1st party games, new IPs or high quality,award winning games. Since Sony got on a role with Uncharted 2, I don't remember the last time Microsoft has won any awards for their efforts.

How can Phil congratulate Sony all the time on these award winning games, wish he had something like them on Xbox one, but not do anything with all that money Microsoft has? With all that money, Microsoft should have 3 uncharted games or 3 last of us games to Sony's 1. But that's not the case.

Relying on 3rd parties hasn't helped Microsoft gain market share against Sony. You would think they would try something new and spend some money on making games so that Scorpio does have game in 2018-2019 that Xbox fans can look foward to. I mean, it's their system right? Shouldn't they be putting in more effort? Or is profits and windows their only concern?

[SpaceRanger]

Three trolling comments in a row?

http://data.whicdn.com/imag...

And as recent history has informed us as consumers, I wouldn't hold my breath in waiting for Xbox games that haven't or hardly have gameplay already shown. These comments of yours, touting more forza and halo, are the reason why MS is in the predicament that it's in right now.

[JasonKCK]

Apocalypse Shadow PC/Xbox is it really that hard to understand?

[bluefox755]

Xbox just doesn't make exclusives at the same quality or level that Sony does, that's why they continue to be beaten by Sony again and again.

[Godmars290]

All the games you mentioned are XB1. Nothing exclusive has been announced for the Scorpio, and all current indications are that nothing solely exclusive, something that uses the hardware, will ever be announced.

[freshslicepizza]

GodMars, Scorpio is part of the Xbox One family so why would you assume I was talking about Scorpio only games? I listed games not on the PS4 and also how Scorpio will also be the most powerful console for multiplat titles.

[Eonjay]

Guys need to get over it. The Scorpio will be the more powerful console and it will show in both multiplats and exclusives. Its now time to put the Xbox fans theory to test from years ago that exclusives make or break a console. If they are right there is nothing to worry about so chill lol.

[freshslicepizza]

@The_Infected
play forza horizon 3 and look at how beuatiful that open world racer loks and plays. the ps4 pro already showed what can be done with games like battlefield 1, it looks awesome on the pro and will look even better on scorpio. same with games like red dead redemption 2 and the new mass effect. or wait for forza 7 at 4k and 60fps. sea of thieves will look great on 4k too. beautiful art style.

if you dont like to play games then why are you here?

[starchild]

I think Gears of War 4 is quite a nice looking game. Not the best I've seen, but it's definitely among the better looking games. And that came out on the weaker hardware of the XB1 (I played it on PC but you still have to consider it came out on the XB1 too). I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that Microsoft could have some stunning looking games on Scorpio.

[Imalwaysright]

@ The_Infected

As if Sony's 1st party engines were much better than all the other engines from every other dev. All the Scorpio needs to have a better looking game than anything on the PS4 is a game developed on the frostbite, cryengine or REDengine that takes advantage of the Scorpio's hardware. I fully expect the next Battlefront and Cyberpunk 2077 on the Scorpio to look better than anything on the PS4/Pro.

[rainslacker]

You act like a huge number of people are going to upgrade to Scorpio from their current PS4's or even X1's. That's probably not going to happen so people can just play multi-plats. It becomes redundant to most people, and not everyone is a foaming at the mouth gamer always on the lookout for the newest thing that will make whatever they have obsolete. Even the PS4P isn't selling like crazy as far as we know, and it's fairly reasonably priced for what it is. I'd suspect that the original Xbox and PS4 will still vastly outsell these mid-gen upgrades for a few more years to come, likely until the legacy hardware is phased out and it just becomes cheaper to make the newer versions, or release a new console.

So, yea, the majority of games being brought on the console are multi-plats, but you always fail to mention that the majority of games are multi-plat, and historically the most powerful console isn't what people look for when deciding what system to buy. There are always other factors, and MS variables are kind of limited in their appeal.

But, I know you won't accept any of that, because you are scrambling to find arguments nowadays. You can't even make your arguments coherent or come to a logical end, which is sad, because you're trolling used to be so much better, and in those few times where you aren't trolling, you actually aren't that bad a poster. But I guess MS broke you due to their incompetence and failings this gen.

Enjoy all that power, CD3, SOD2, and SOT. Three games which in no way will require all that extra power, because the graphics levels of them aren't going to be substantially changed. The next forza will be beautiful I'm sure, but it's just another Forza. That'll be what? the 5th one this gen?

MS has a lot to deliver at E3 this year, and I hope they do for your sake, because I think you are losing your mental faculties.

[Edito]

People don't talk about those games because they are actually nothing special... i think Microsoft need to make a very big check to 3 or 4 major studios and buy/fund some blockbuster exclusives for them other wise Sony will eat them foreva...

[Aenea]

Ever heard of multiplat games?

[danny818]

no games it hasnt even been unvield yet relax yourself

[game4funz]

Triple A console exclusives and 3rd party games...

Somehow I knew this would be the type of comments on an xbox article.

[BurnedCorn]

Sony fan boys are afraid with the power of P.Scorpio and their only weapon is cry saying its all about the games. Whats happens with the 900p 1080p 60 campaing in 2013. LOL!!!!

[GrubsterBeater]

Nobody is afraid of the Scorpio. Lol come on man.

If anything, MS is scared of Sony taking ALL the market share.

Sony has GAMES. Plenty of them, and quality games at that. So if anyone is scared or worried, it is MS and the XBox fanboys.

Do you really think power is going to do anything when you don't have much games?

The Scorpio is a Ferrari with no wheels. Without games, Scorpio is going to be another failure on the belt of MS...

[rainslacker]

Yeah, I'm terrified. Eek....a more powerful console. So afraid.

It's just another argument for the console war. Nothing about the Scorpio is worth Sony fan boys concerning themselves over when it comes to their enjoyment of games, because when a Sony fan says it's all about the games, they actually have a rather substantial number of games to back that statement up.

What it comes down to is that all the power in the world means nothing without games, and to date, MS exclusive games haven't stopped Sony at all. Every gen that Sony won was because of games, not power. The fact that Sony is now winning this gen, while also having the more powerful console(for now), is actually quite the anamoly in console gaming, because Sony usually doesn't have the most powerful console of any generation, and PS3 was matched by 360(better in some ways, worse in others) but still managed to catch up to a sizable lead over MS, and it did that with games.

As far as the campaining, I couldn't tell you. Since it seems the Xbox fans now think that all that stuff is important. I never did. Why? Because it's more about the games, not the resolution, not the power, not the frame rate, etc. Games. Plain and simple.

[Silly gameAr]

Well, I'm sure the xbox won't be without games forever.

[GorillaTact]

lol Grow up kid. Game console = games. If this is the argument your shill boss told you to go with its paper thin, nonexistent is more accurate.

Xbox isn't going anywhere, same as PlayStation and Nintendo. There is a whole generation of people that grew up playing Xbox, just like PlayStation and Nintendo. Financially I would think Microsoft is more profitable than both Sony and Nintendo combined as well. They are going to release a console this year that is more powerful than what the majority of current PC gamers have, and people are supposed to believe its not going to have an effect? lol...right Ill be stupid enough to believe that.

[Trekster_Gamer]

Sony trolls try harder, Scorpio will put PS4 pro to SHAME!

Mark my words, 3rd party and 1st party will harnes the power of Scorpio!!

Trolls that live here can cry, bitch, moan and complain all you want. It won't change the Awesome power of Scorpio!!

[Raiden]

@CHRISX

I completely agree with you, GAMES GAMES GAMES, PS4 success is because of games, not there fan base but games, so for any company to be successful in this business has to cater for the public needs or fail.
I believe that some game from the launch will already show off what XBOX SC is capabilities are as MS announced so dev's can start preparing for it.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I also think that scale bound will return, but only time will tell.

XBOX SC will only be a success if games follow it, and just to clarify this and you can disagree with this statement, people talk exclusives this exclusives that, anything that MS create and appears on there format is exclusive to MS. A PC powered by W10 is exclusive to MS, also PC gamers have always wanted to play 🎭 against consoles and MS is making sure that happens, we are gamers first and fans second.

[KingKionic]

Definitely cant wait for the scorpio to come. But im sure this year will see a lot of games perform better then any other console on the market. Lol at people talking about games. Im sure there will be LOTS of multiplat games alone that run better. No one should try to act as if this isnt a good thing. Too funny.

[stuna1]

Yeah lol talking about games, because who's going to spend god know how much on Scorpio to play multiplatform games when they already own a PS4!?/s

Exclusives define a Platform!

I'm glad people believe Scorpio is going to sell gangbuster numbers, but take a step back and at least rationalize what Microsoft needs to do before that happens.

These are in no particular order because they are all vital in some way to Scorpio.

Microsoft needs to prove Scorpio is worth the upgrade! And I'm not talking about Tech Demo's either! Because the moment Microsoft are caught releasing Bull shots, Dummy photos or, Computer enhanced video of games supposedly running on Scorpio, I think it will be catastrophic for Scorpio

Microsoft needs a competitive yet comprehensive price for Scorpio.

Microsoft need games that boast what's under the hood of Scorpio, but still has to stay in line to what's on the original Xbox 1 and Xbox S without outpacing them.

Microsoft needs to allay any fears that the early Xbox 1 supporters may have they are not getting left behind and that their consoles will see as much support if not more support than Scorpio. At least the next couple of years

Microsoft needs to keep promises they've made to the fanbase as a whole.

[KingKionic]

Lot of hyperbole there that i wont waste my time addressing.

But this comment "who's going to spend god know how much on Scorpio to play multiplatform games when they already own a PS4!?/s "

The same ones who bought a ps4 pro for better resolution.

I think you and others are acting naive to just act naive.

Need to give it a rest.

[stuna1]

Isn't responding addressing!?

But really the meat is sure people upgraded to the Pro and that is because they had reason too. Price and a boatload of games, games, games...did I mention Exclusive games.

What does Scorpio have again ?

[KingKionic]

No one bought a pro just to play ps4 games im not listing any scorpio titles BEFORE the reveal of it.

The hysteria is enough.

You guys are going on and on about a lineup of games of a unreveal console. Ps4 pro didnt have this level of scrutiny. Its launch lineup for instance no one was talking about what games it has and doesnt.

Give it a break.

Scorpio as we know will have superior games over xbox and superior multiplats is extremely likely.

Move on.

[Christopher]

***No one bought a pro just to play ps4 games im not listing any scorpio titles BEFORE the reveal of it. ***

Well, that's because there aren't any Scorpiio games, they're XBO games that will also play on the Scorpio.

***Its launch lineup for instance no one was talking about what games it has and doesnt. ***

Actually, yeah, it did. "what's the point of Pro if it doesn't support more games" was a big item of note.

[KingKionic]

Ha this guy pops up. Look bro...

You cant tell me you cant see the hysteria here.

Xbox scorpio games definitely will be vastly different then first party xbox one games considering what Phil spencer said in relation of games being upgraded for scorpio

"360 games are tough as most don't have 4K assets. Nice thing about our recent games is we have 4K assets from PC versions."
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/...

Its just hilarious at this point the nitpicking.

[ludicrous]

@Stuna1
u see, the purpose of UWP is to make xbox and pc virtually the same, so contents can be shared between the two (kind of like how developer can just develop on one setting for PC and it automatically scale to the hardware, that what xbox is transforming into). What it also means that it can tailor to a wider range of consumers with an even wider budget range.

So if they are practically the same, then what contents (games in this case) available on PC will also be available on xbox (if you have an xbox, you already notice the impact of this cross-platform where many PC games already showing up on xbox). And why not, developers have more venue to sell their games (moving forward and retrospectively) without much effort if at all. Unless you think no developers would benefit from this? Do you know how much games there are on PC compare to xbox and ps combines? I don't think you fully understand the extent of this move.

If you read or research a little, you would already know MS slowly building the infrastructure through acquiring havok physic engine and simplygon (3d computer graphics optimization) both of which are practically used by most developers including sony major 1st party developer like Naughty dogs and others. Along with it DX12, UWP, Azure, Beam, etc...you should see where they are going with this. You shouldn't underestimate MS just because you don't see what they are building up in the background. To know the extent of what could happen (MS monopolizing the industry, yes even gaming), go read on Tim Sweeney (epic games and main man behind unreal engine) and why he is afraid of what MS could potentially become in the near future.

Now let compare to PS which use proprietary engine, most likely only 1st party developers can benefit, that only cater to PS hardware, this becomes limiting factor for other developers in term of optimization, distribution, and scalability. So for many other developers (PC, Mobile, 3rd party etc..), which one do you think developers would go with, the one that are most versatile and scalable or the one that is proprietary and fixated to a specific platform? What is the one single thing you see that determine which console "win" in every generation? I can tell you that it is 3rd party support (just look at what Sony has to do after PS3 or the downfall of nintendo). Hence you see why Sony is trying somewhat to make PS console as close to PC as possible, but they aren't MS, which already have their dirty hand in PC development since the beginning.

Of course, that not to say that Sony can't adopt Vulcan (which is another highly recommended and comparable to DX12), but I haven't seen that happening yet. Sony can work with Steam (steam was made to offset window PC and support Linux, but that hasn't work out if at all and window still dominate PC gaming), Android, apple, etc...through Vulcan which will greatly benefit Sony, but the exclusivity will be obsolete then. Sony also have to be careful playing with Google, Apple, Amazon etc...because those guys can really take over if they wanted too. Between Sony and MS, only MS can compete at that level currently.

There are much more to it then that stuna1, just need a little research.

[rainslacker]

The PS4P probably isn't selling as well as the stock PS4, so you may want to rethink your power argument.

Sure, a lot of people jumped in....even me on impulse when I got tired of looking for a PSVR, even though I said I'd wait a while....but realistically, since I have an X1 whose only game I'm really looking forward to right now is Cuphead, why would I even consider keeping my current X1, much less getting a Scorpio. To play multi-plat games? Sure OK. They look and perform great on the Scorpio. Maybe the stock X1 owners will have more reason to upgrade if they don't perform so well there. I can understand the desire to want that for the hard core.

but that begs the question. Who is going to buy the Scorpio? And that question is answered by Stuna. but to remove the hyperbole it goes like this.

The Scorpio is likely going to sell most to current Xbox owners....just like I think the PS4P sells right now to the PS owners(speculation on my part). So, it's basically just the current user base, buying the games they would have brought otherwise, now buying it on a new console.

But then we get into the part about price vs. value that Stuna mentions. So without the hyperbole(which isn't what Stuna was offering), MS has to price the device at a point that is going to attract the attention of gamers who haven't brought into a system yet. it'll have to be priced at a point where it has to compete against what is likely going to be a cheaper PS4P, not to mention the stock PS4 and even the X1/X1S. So, basically, it'll be the most expensive console on the market(most likely), have tremendous competition from Sony's offerings, and even be competing against another device from the same company(which isn't bad for MS, but will delay Scorpio adoption for the long haul....same thing Sony may have a problem with going forward).

So, what does MS use to get people interested in the most expensive console on the market, whose gains are going to be much less noticeable....particularly on the 4K front, and especially on the 1080p front since better texture detail and longer draw distances aren't immediately noticeable by the layman?

The answer to that is games.

Does MS have exclusive games which can entice? Sure. but their general staple probably already has the Xbox owners, and I'd suspect a lot of them would upgrade either way. Others will probably find what they have now to be good enough. So their staples aren't going to be a driving force.

But then there's the new IP's, or well known sequels they have coming this year. Well....I hate to say this but most of the one's they've done so far have failed to really light that fire under the consumer to buy an X1....and I can't see it doing any better for a more expensive console just so those games which fail to entice look prettier and have better frame rate.

So that leaves multi-plats. And while best performance is important to some, I doubt the mainstream console gamer is going to care that much....which leaves hardcore power hungry players, or the more die-hard Xbox fans....both of which aren't substantial enough to really push console sales really high.

[rainslacker]

And the last part of Stuna's "hyperbole"..." MS needs to keep promises made to the fanbase as a whole" is far from hyperbole. MS is really lacking in this area. I have an X1, I'm not a fan, but I am a customer, and I can say that the X1 has been one of the most disappointing console purchases I've made in a long time. About all it's good for is getting to those 360 games I missed out on last gen...you know, the exclusives....the games.

All I can do is shake my head at how the Xbox devout are saying how great MS line up is.....yet cling to mutli-plat as being more important. How they keep harping on mid-tier games(PD:Remaster, SOD2), unproven technologies for new games which hasn't been shown in any real world application with practically nothing shown of the game after all these years(CD3), and new IP's they're making into some god like status because they happen to come from a studio that used to be great....yet the game itself looks like a souped up mobile game made by some students as their final project in a community college game development class(SOT).

When you compare the games between Sony and MS that the fan boys are hyping up, it's not even a correlative comparison, because the only game which I can see having an impact is CD3 for MS, yet they've barely shown it, whereas Sony has shown a lot, and we can at least have some faith that some of the stuff they haven't shown much of is going to be superb. Subjective statement of course, but one can't deny the quality of the output from Sony far exceeds that of MS. MS has their gems, I won't deny that, but Sony has many more gems, almost like they actually own the mine to pull them from.

[Aenea]

"The same ones who bought a ps4 pro for better resolution. "

Ehhhh, I did that, but I only did that because I already had a PS4. You really think I am willing to give up my existing games library to switch to an Xbox console where multiplat games might perform or look a little better?

I don't see many people switching to a different brand for their main console, I surely will not. Though I probably will get a Scorpio to play the console exclusives.

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And as for games performing better on Scorpio, well, we will see how much better they actually will and wonder if it's enough of a difference for people wanting to switch...

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"360 games are tough as most don't have 4K assets. Nice thing about our recent games is we have 4K assets from PC versions."

Yes, first party titles, indeed. The difference will be nice if you come from an X1, still wondering if the difference between a Pro multiplat and a Scorpio multiplat will be so great. I'm betting the differences will be as noticeable on a 4k screen as the differences now between X1 and PS4......

[KingKionic]

Dude come on i dont need to stretch what im saying with precision this much. Im saying that if you want better performing titles thats a incentive for scorpio even xbox users or people who use 4K.

Betting the differences will be X1 vs Ps4 is definitely plausible.

But one console actual can use 4K textures and effects by Phil spencers wording the difference will be noticeable for people first party games.

Im sure even Forza 7 it will be a night and day difference.

[Aenea]

@bg116

Yeah, I hear that often on forums, yet I have to come across one person in real life that actually switched like that...

I know plenty who game on both though, but completely switch? None...

Sure, this doesn't mean anything, I don't know everyone, yadayada, but neither do you, I can't back it up with hard evidence, nor can you so we're both just guessing how many people will actually switch....

[TruM0607]

When Scorpio launches it will mark the end of graphical comparisons nobody in the media will want to show how superior scorpios games will look compared to the pro. We r talking about comparing upscale 4K to native 4K, current gen textures to 4K textures. The difference will b noticeable devs have already come out to say this.

[Aenea]

@TruM0607

LOL, even MS have said not all games will be native 4k. Heck, they even have their own version of checkerboard rendering called sparse rendering that devs can use to reach better visuals on 4k screens, yet you still believe the Scorpio will be able to do native 4k for ALL games? You're in for a surprise!

So no, sites like DigitalFoundry will keep comparing them, heck the idea even that all media is apparently so Sony biased that they all would stop doing it is hilarious and also a little sad.

[rainslacker]

@Kionic

PS4 can use 4K textures.

Well...there is not really anything that defines a 4K texture, other than maybe if it's resolution is 4K, but that would be a rather large texture, and texture resolution is completely independent of screen resolution, whose aspect ratio actually wouldn't be appropriate for textures for any game engine on the market. Most textures are 256x256, 512x512, or 1024x1024 for more detailed models, or some combination of those numbers. More than one texture can also be used for a single object as well, and it's typically more efficient to do so than use one massive texture.

But it would be highly improbably that a 4096x4096 texture would be used. That takes up a lot of space, and there is no benefit, much less flexibility, and it takes a lot longer to read when doing surface mapping.

I love the people who say 4K textures in the context you do, because it's a clear indication that you have no idea what any of the technical stuff you talk about means.

But if you can somehow explain to me exactly what a 4K texture is in the context you use it then I will stand corrected, and never question the use of the term again.

Anyhow, I agree, if you want better performing titles, then Scorpio likely will provide that. Assuming it has the sales to warrant extensive optimization to take advantage of all that extra power. Sadly, I think all that extra power is more likely to be used to brute force optimization issues that exist within the design of the legacy version, because it seems to be like that now on PS4P. Not that those games won't look better, because there is room for that, but better looking doesn't equal better performing.

So it's highly likely that the perceivable differences between the PS4P and Scorpio will be marginal, and if Scorpio is priced much higher we'll run into the same situation that we see in the TV market. Where cheap but really good wins over really good+1 and more expensive. The perception of quality differences vs. the difference in price is going to play a huge part in people's buying decisions.....and if what this analyst says is true, it's going to be a tough sell until games come out that really show off that power difference.

I wouldn't really take Spencer's wording as any indication of reality, because his wording is technically flawed to begin with if he used the term 4K texture....so it sounds more like marketing speak than technical insight. Of course differences will be noticeable for 1st party games, it always is. MS will take the time to optimize to Scorpio to try and sell the system. Most developers won't. Above you said it was all about the multi-plats, now you're saying it's all about the exclusives to show that power. So which is it?

All I can say is that for multi-plats...the only place MS is likely to get new customers from, it's not going to be significant, and I'd wager with the higher sales of PS4/PS4P in general, it's likely that those systems will get more optimization.

Time will tell. But I don't think it's going to turn out the way you seem to think it will. Probably won't turn out completely the way I think it will either, but at least I base most of my arguments on historical data and general observations of consumer trends.

[rainslacker]

@BG

Switching mid gen is a lot different than swtiching at the start of the gen when the only ties you have is a friends list and trophy account. Games one might own was off the table, but that isn't likely to be the case now. Every new gen starts with some unpredictability, and it could go either way. The switching, if it happened a lot, was likely more due to the way MS handled the launch, and their policies surrounding the system itself. Sony OTOH nailed every aspect of their launch, and did what MS couldn't.....got more people excited for it's brand, while MS turned people off of their brand.

To date, I haven't seen MS do anything to turn more people onto their brand than Sony, so I don't predict that sales are going to shift over to Scorpio in the way you are stipulating.

I'm sure Scorpio will capture some of those power hungry players, and I'm sure it'll get a lot of existing Xbox owners to upgrade, but I can't see any sort of mass migration, or even substantial conversions from PS owners, since current owners of either system could have a lot more invested into this gen through the games being offered. It's quite obvious that Sony is doubling down on games right now. There is a reason for that. And that reason is because it wants to keep it's userbase playing games on the PS4, without having them considering switching consoles. If the perceivable differences between the system aren't high, then it's likely Sony has nothing to worry about beyond losing some power hungry types. Even if the differences are high, if MS can't hit the right price on the Scorpio, then MS will fail to capture a high number of users from Sony. MS has one chance to get it right, and keeping it on topic to the article, if people have to wait to really see those differences, it just puts Sony in a much more entrenched position, because the cheaper option is going to be more attractive, and it's unlikely most will buy both systems in such a short time, unless they were the types who would do so anyways, which MS doesn't have to concern itself with to make Scorpio successful for the long term.

[LexHazard79]

Ive said that myself plenty of times. 2018 will be when we see what Scorpio has with Halo 6 and Horizon 4 due out for that yr. You dont think MS is gonna have those games looking great on the Scorpio. Come on man.... 😂

[kenwonobi]

It's what I said too. Wait a year for it to launch. Then wait a year to see the difference. Then wait another year before you can actually really tell it's more powerful than PS4 Pro. Then it's 3 years already. PS5 is right around the corner and nobody cares that there is a graphics difference because a next generation console is launching soon.

[Automatic79]

Can't wait for Project Scorpio.

[christocolus]

I can't wait to see what they show at E3. Getting Scorpio and N.Switch this year. My wallet :(

[game4funz]

What they show is definitely what will incentivize people to get the scorpio.

Who knows.

[tyasia0]

By that time there will be 80+ million PS4's sold. And by 2019 Sony will be pushing towards PS5.

[alb1899]

And what is the relation between the article and the 80 millions that SONY will have sell by that time?

[game4funz]

Absolutely nothing.
Im sure he feels the need to try to convince other that xbox shouldnt be supported because
it has no games he likes.

[kenwonobi]

Yes. It's funny. They are saying exactly what I said. Almost to a perfect T. PS4 Pro launched right on time. Scorpio? It better hope PS5 is pushed back.

[stuna1]

It's really going to look bad for Microsoft if Scorpio fails to live up to the hype. For 1 games from Microsoft themselves should be able to show the true power of Scorpio out the gate! They should be the ones who have the most intimate knowledge of the hardware .

[fonger08]

When... in the history of launching consoles have games shown the full power the console???

[stuna1]

Since when does true power equal full power!?

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

There were PCs several years ago more powerful than the Scorpio. These upgraded consoles, don't have the raw power needed to make vastly better graphics than their vanilla counterparts,because of dimenishing returns.

[Fishy Fingers]

All people have to do is look at high spec PC versions of current MS games (or multiplats) to get an idea of what the games will look like on Scorpio.

Either way, they should look great but I'm unsure how realistic some people expectation are, as they were prior to the Pro.

[Aenea]

*medium spec

[ShowanW]

@Aenea... no matter how much you try to water it down

it's will be better than any other console on the market... and will be better than about 80% of peoples gaming rigs today...

[Aenea]

@ShowanW

Yep, that's absolutely true. Just correcting Fishy's "high spec PC" comment, because a high spec PC will perform a lot better than any console can...

[rainslacker]

I disagree. The difference between the stock X1 and Scorpio is quite substantial. It may not have the raw power to make vastly better graphics than a highish end PC, but when has that ever been important for consoles? That 6TF on console will be more efficient and achieve better results than the same 6TF on a PC.

Diminishing returns is a real thing, I won't deny that, and sometimes the differences can be harder to see, but 4X the power of the stock device which was barely passable during launch is not where that point starts. The diminishing returns is going to come from the development side, as legacy support remains.

Differences will become more subtle, but as it stands, consoles are at that point where they're trying to get to maintain higher frame rates, and now resolutions, while keeping image quality up. The stock versions of both systems had to downgrade graphics often to achieve this, while the mid-gen versions do have much sharper visuals, and will have generally better performance....thus not diminishing. Early PS4P games seem to not always be that much different expect in the finer details, but I think Scorpio actually will show much better improvement over the stock versions.

[corroios]

True power? with what? Forza,Halo and Gears in 4k? really. They are already running at that rez on PC. Did it blow gamers away? Even at 60 frames!!! So What. Bring new IP, because those franchises are not growing.

[KingKionic]

Did you just ask did Forza and Gears in 4K blow people away at 60 fps?

Seriously?

The answer is a resounding yes.

4K on Gears of war 4 alone is ridiculous.

Best looking Unreal engine 4 game easy.

Forza horizon 3 already has praise for the PC version.

Lol these comments i cant.

[Christopher]

Don't ever change, Kionic. You have that passion that will not be stopped.

[KingKionic]

WOW. Come on @ Infected.

All im saying is on PC gears at 4k/60 fps is ridiculous!

Horizon zero dawn? O___O

Days gone? O__O

This wasnt a comparison.

Also @cgoodno What? I played both of them on PC there impressive!

[Christopher]

"Best looking Unreal engine 4 game easy."

That's the passion I'm talking about. Not that you played them, that you believe them to be the best looking of a specific engine.

[KingKionic]

Well cgoodno ive played a lot of unreal engine games and if you look at the ones release to date i think everyone would agree The Coalition are using tons of the biggest features of the engine.

The motor bike and elevator ride up game play part was ridiculous and i have yet to see any unreal engien 4 game even touch those two levels from a lot of other great parts.

Animations of the juvies and snatchers are very very well done.

Im speaking off experience.

https://wiki.unrealengine.c...

[Allsystemgamer]

It got praise but it didn't blow anyone away. It was more of a "thanks Ms for a not shitty port".

[KingKionic]

@allsystemgamer

Gears of War 4 Tech Analysis: An Unreal Engine 4 Masterpiece

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Forza Horizon 3 PC vs Xbox One Graphics Comparison + Analysis

Now continue the damage control.

[andrewsquall]

So long as every bit of the game engines are being built from the ground up exclusively for its GDDR5 architecture, then it will show the true power of the console. This is what we see with PS4 exclusive games since 2013. This is why even a less known dev, that isn't even a Sony 1st party studio, like Supermassive games can put out a pretty impressive looking game like Until Dawn.
If the same game on Scorpio has to be released on the original Xbone too, then just expect an Xbone developed game that runs at higher res and has a more stable fps.
You still get taken out of a game like Quantum Break when the human character's arms clip straight through a wall like a PS2 era game. The game running at, EVEN, 8K resolution is not going to change that.

[Cy]

Well, yeah? I mean, does anybody expect launch games to utilize the full power of any console? Or is this just another article that's trying to get clicks by baiting the console war losers?

[Veneno]

It co uld be possible that MS has remastered games ready to go like For a horizon 3 , gears, halo, etc. It would at least be a start on top of having Crackdown 3 which is new and exclusive.

[XXanderXX]

Cool look forward to hearing more on those games and actually buying them at release.Good times ahead.

[medman]

It will only be "different" if Microsoft studio produces some meaningful gaming content, because 3rd party devs are not going to go to the trouble, or the expense, of optimizing for a platform that has far fewer gamers playing on it than the ps4 and xbox one.

[jznrpg]

Takes a while for consoles to hit their stride.XB1 never did game wise. Scorpio will also have PS5 coming after it , id say no later than 2020. It will be interesting to see if they learned from their mistakes and if they burned too many bridges

[Takwin]

Zero exclusives. ZERO. NONE. Never again.

I think people underestimate this number.

That, and the PS5 will be out in 2019.

Scorpio is dead in the water, especially if it is over $500.

[Trez1234]

It won't be over 500$. It will be more powerful than the ps4 pro but not as powerful some think because of the cost. I'm sure the price will be competitive.

[Artemidorus]

More Forza, Halo, Gears. This time they got the power to provide remasters of remasters at a guess.

[Einhander1971]

Agreed power means nothing without top quality games, by then ps4 will have an even stronger user base. Switch will be in full swing, possible PS5 on the horizon.

[Einhander1971]

Forza horizon looks great but I wouldn't buy a system for just one game. Ps4, switch for me thanks.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Will the currently library of games receive some sort of boost like PS4 games when they are updated for use on PS4 Pro?

[DialgaMarine]

I can see that, in the same PS4 Pro is really starting to shine. That being said, I just can't see Scorpio having much else going for it, besides hardware.

[Vizigoth04]

For Microsoft I see this as a vantage point for them. They want to eliminate the console race. I think this is why they are releasing Scorpio this year. Going back to the drawing board if you will. I really don't think they see Nintendo as any sort of competition. Different fanbase. Different interests. It's closest obvious competitor is Playstation. By releasing their hardware now they don't have worry about comparison numbers or getting outsold 2 to 1. This way no matter the sales of their hardware they can focus on the sale of their software between XBOX and Windows 10 platforms. Come the end of this year Sony will have the Software. Microsoft will have the power and Nintendo will have their favorite franchises both home and on the go. Each has something to offer to someone.

[GoodnessGreatness]

"True power " lol no thanks. I can get a PC for that.

[thexmanone]

I`m sure MS will appreciate that. Keep up the support.

[Liqu1d]

PC isn't MS's platform. Fact.

[thexmanone]

@Liqu1d

More then likely you would be using MS windows to play those games on PC.

[Kokyu]

And by 2018/2019 Ps5 will be annouced or coming and it will blow Scorpio away so whats the point of this article besides click bait.

[Eldyraen]

I'm curious how the next Halo and Gears will look on the Scorpio but I hope they go for an Enhanced 1080p option to really show what it's capable of and not just 4K. Plus that would mean PC would get an even better looking version (as gears 4 looked great on pc but it could have used more options still).

I want e3 to hurry up as I want to see what games they're working on besides the ones we know of and what will excite me after Scalebound got canned. Crackdown 3 maybe as not much has really been shown for it yet. I hope it's more like 1 than 2, but better.

[extermin8or]

Well mhltiplatform devs aren't gonna stop ps4 games till there's a massive jump I. E: next gen. I mean Scorpio isn't launching at an affordable price people will pay in any decent numbers and doing that. Also there is quite a noticeable difference on a number of games between Xbox and ps4 its partially power and partially devs but it's still the case.

[PizzaSteve]

All this power talk is pr talk. Games will not look or run any better than on PS4 Pro. MS made too many false promises in the past to make what they say now unbelievable.

[joab777]

These articles get better and better. Of course it would be next yr and beyond that would showcase its power!

[Zarock]

'By 2018 and 2019 mold would have started to grow on the Xbox brand'
Would have been a more accurate title.

[on_line_forever]

the problem with xbox one they dont have good quality games like for example : uncharted , the last of us . the last guardian , blood borne , NIOH , god of war ... etc

[thexmanone]

You do know that not everyone likes those games. I`ll stick with Xbox

[rainslacker]

I think Halo, Forza, and Gears are very high quality games from MS.

it's not that MS doesn't have the qulity, it's that the number and variety of that quality is typically contained within those three IP's, and in the past to Fable as well.

MS tries to make some high quality games as well with things like QB, SSoD, and I'll throw Ryse into the mix, but they just don't really seem to have the larger fanbase(outside the forums gamers) which really end up playing a lot of the new stuff they have coming out, thus those new IP's tend to not catch on.

With Sony, they have created enough games, that a lot of the player base looks forward to new things from them. I think last gen this was even more apparent and it boiled over big time this gen. But last gen, when UC dropped, people loved it, then they did the unexpected and dropped TLOU....which they could have easily pushed to this gen and probably blown even more people away with the launch titles. But they supported their system, and even gave the old PS3 GT:6(although a PS4 cross gen port would have been nice).

There just seem to be different mentalities from the fan base and the companies themselves when it comes to releasing new and varied IP's. MS tends to play it safe, with the occassional really high profile IP and maybe a couple other mid-tier type titles per year. Sony tends to have at least one staple a year, then quite a few new or returning mid-tier games, and often drops a big new IP on it's fanbase. It also seems Sony is much better at marketing their new high profile IP's this genthan MS, which I'm sure helps them do better overall. This is probably the biggest difference between this and last gen....other than the fact that MS pushed a lot of new Ip's last gen....which ironically....is when the 360 thrived and MS became a much stronger competitor in the market. now if MS could just remember that, and replicate that consistently, they should give Sony a good run for their money.

[WelkinCole]

By the time the Scorpio hits its stride with regards to graphics the PS5 will be just around the corner. I expect sometime around 2020.

What Sony will do is they will refocus their efforts on PS4 Pro and PS5 which by then devs should be able to get the most out of the PS4 Pro while getting much much more out of the PS5.

[thexmanone]

Followed by Scorpio 2

[Limbrick]

The big thing is if the Scorpio is just a catch-up xbone pro or more next gen. It is all speculation until the facts are presented.

Right now i game on a regular PS4 and i want more controll of my games. What i want is more control of the graphics and frame rates. Current consoles have limited settings that are offered by game developers. Hooking a game pc to my tv would provide the options i desire/need. The Scorpio with more power and windows could also provide the pc like settings option i want.

Overall more power and 1080p or higher def can all be wasted if am not not able to adjust or disable motion blur, dynamic dof, heavy god rays, grain, color saturation, fov, chromatic aberration, haze, stupid looking lense flare,ect.

[ApexWolf22]

Scorpio should ship with Crackdown 3, probably the reason it's been delayed...

[bumbleforce]

at the end of the day im not worried about ps or xbox. they are both great systems with great games. Nintendo is the one you have to worry about. You guys can talk about microsft 1st party all you want but nintendo can't even get 3rd part games. Last I checked all of the switch games look like cartoons and they arn't getting common games you know like, resident evil 7, doom, fallout, witcher, call of duty. plus the crappy online and lack of power. microsoft and sony arnt going anywhere but I can see Nintendo going third party after switch fails.

[toyzombie]

By the time the developers start getting the hang of it the PS5 will be around the corner.

[kenwonobi]

Exactly what I said. Which is not surprising at all. You wait one year to have something on par with PS4 Pro. Then you wait another 1-2 years for you to see a difference. Then PS5. Which makes Scorpio useless pile of garbage in terms of graphics compared to PS5 as soon as it even shows its potential a little.

[Niv]

All xbox games will be developed for 1.3 teraflops xb1.

[CP_Company]

this nonsense? really? there is not spec or release day,but already it is best console,most powerful,best games and etc.what a fu.cking nonsense.