Project Scorpio Isn't Microsoft's Last Console, Rejects Xbox Boss

Microsoft and Sony have really shifted away from the generational gap and have instead opted for incremental upgrades to their consoles. After Sony and Microsoft confirmed to have 3 actual console upgrades in the same generation, it’s really skeptical how well the next-generation consoles after the PlayStation 4 Pro and Project Scorpio come up. After the question was brought up, Phil rejected the claim.

[OB1Biker]

'However, considering both companies aren’t sticking to the console traditions, does this mean that this is the end for console generations?'
https://noplatform.wordpres...

Sony actually said to still favour traditional console cycles in an few interviews.

besides,
'it’s really skeptical how well the next-generation consoles after the PlayStation 4 Pro and Project Scorpio come up'
What the heck does that mean? ...'its not clear' I suppose?

[GorillaTact]

I wouldn't get too frazzled by this write up. Its highly likely this is a shill website that will be gone in a month or two. Cheap page, check. Little content, check. Small unknown staff, check. Indian run site likely outsourced by a company, check. If it isn't, I would have to see hard proof.

[G20WLY]

Seems fair enough. Glad to hear this. This just means PS4 Pro will definitely carry me to the generation's end and then I'll wait to see what Sony and MS bring for next generation.

The momentum is definitely with Sony at the moment, so high hopes for PS5 whenever that comes. MS, on the other hand, have a lot more work to do to win me back as a customer.

We'll see, I guess.

[GameNameFame]

Honestly, with all the games being on PC. Xbox became nothing but PC box or steam box rip off. It actually is worse because you dont even get to play PC games on Xbox, but play all xbox games on PC. So question is. What is really the point? PC is becoming cheaper to build and easier.

With Sony releasing games like Nioh, you will always want PS to play them. Xbox you dont really need it to play games.

I guess main difference between PS and Xbox is that you get PS for games.

[mcstorm]

Gamenamefame I get what your saying but if you look at things going forward 3rd party's can also put their games as a play anywhere game to and also ms have made the gap closer on Scorpio and windows 10 where games can be more or less the same on both so not much for the port needs to be done.

It's still in the early stage of the change but to say people want to buy a gaming PC to put on the TV is wrong. Ms are giving you a choice and at the end of the day ms make more money from the software than the hardware to and the PC gore is more open to most IPS where Xbox is FPS and racing. No one knows what will or won't work for all 3 but never say never

[choujij]

@mcstorm "but to say people want to buy a gaming PC to put on the TV is wrong."

That's exactly what I did and I'm sure I'm not the only one. There was a time where an Xbox sat under my TV, but gone are those days. For the foreseeable future, my TV will never be without a PS, Nintendo console and of course a "gaming PC". Not just for the fact I can play both Xbox and PC games on it, but because I am able to use it for much more than just a gaming PC.

[GorillaTact]

Crotaa

Its possible Microsoft could do a special event to reveal the Scorpio. I kind of look for Phil Spencer to do it at E3 though, just judging from his character. I look for Sony to announce their next PlayStation project even though its at least 2 years away. They know how attractive the Scorpio will be to gamers. It will be all about the Scorpio until they respond with something better.

[XXanderXX]

Personally I wouldn't mine if console update right along with the tech developed instead getting it five years later and never been a fan of this ten year duration crap.

[LexHazard79]

Exactly, Xman.... as long as I don't have to wait 8-10yrs for new console, im good!

[subtenko]

careful...we dont want yearly console cycles.....think it cant happen? THINK AGAIN

[Ju]

...as long as I don't have to re-buy all my games...

[XisThatKid]

PLEASE everyone take note of this day and this article. Well see in about two years or so

[LexHazard79]

If Sony still favors traditional console cycle, why they release PS4 Pro?

Xbox was already talking about upgrades in the non traditional way before we even knew about PS4 Pro...

[wheatley]

I think it was purely a competitive angle - release some kind of affordable upgrade first and consumers will stick with the brand while waiting on PS5, which will be the jacked up version when those components have gone down in price. They didn't want to lose people to Scorpio in terms of the 4K market. I think Sony's message has been pretty much "this will do until we get the next one out", whereas Microsoft are hard selling the upgrade for Scorpio as a new console generation. If it performs as well as they hope in terms of 4K then I wouldn't be surprised that this will be their new generation.

[nowitzki2004]

LMAO seriously? PS4 Pro is a PS4.. It wont have any games that PS4 OG doesnt have. PS5 will be the new gen.

[XanderZane]

Why did they release a PS4 Slim. Oh that's right, to cut costs and make a bigger profit. The PS4 was slim enough. PS4 Slim was more for Sony's benefit. PS4 Pro was more for gamers benefit. With the PS4 Pro out and the Scorpio coming out this year, I see no reason to get a PS4 Slim or XBox One S. It's pretty obvious that the PS4 Pro and the Scorpio won't be their last game consoles. Phil said "No.". Yoshida would say "No". Not sure what Reggie would say.

[Ju]

Why do we need a PS5?? Yea new gen with more RAM and all. But why would that not be forward and backward compatible? And, well, Cherny filed the HW switch patent to basically run a next gen chip in background mode when the PS4 released. This was clearly already in the making when they designed the PS4.

[TheCommentator]

Sony said they favor traditional console cycles? What's the Pro then? It's certainly not traditional. They probably mean that PS5 won't play PS4 or Pro games. That's their tradition now.

[Ju]

This is just a test. If Pro works well - what it does, even more so with the Boost upgrade - a PS5 will simply be another iteration of a console with better tech. Calling it PS5 would just imply it would not be compatible, but maybe also, it's closer to the PS4 tech wise than it might be. All marketing if anything. I doubt they will break compatibility just for the sake of it. Yeah, if Sony needs to overcome limitations with the PS4 by then, they might well do it. But which would that be? I mean feature wise, not "just more RAM, faster CPU and GPU". This could easily scale within the "family".

[Liqu1d]

The Pro is a PS4 with more power, understand?

[TheCommentator]

Scorpio is an XB1 with more power, as Phil said, so what's your point? A mid gen console upgrade is new. Traditions are things that repeat themselves, understand?

[DragonDDark]

Scorpio isn't an XB1 with more power. It uses way different tech than the OG XB1.(according to the whitepaper) Pro & PS4 are similar in a lot of ways. Pro just has more Tera flops with the same but upgraded CPU.

[TheCommentator]

Dragon, 40% of the 3 billion MS spent in R&D on the XB1 went into the production of Vega, and the XB1's GPU was modified in such a way as to function like an underpowered Vega processor. Just like XB360 introduced unified shaders before PC GPU's had them XB1 had full DX12 well before Vega, which is the first full DX12 GPU for the PC.

[Zeref]

What are traditional consoles? Consoles that struggle with backwards compatibility or complete lack thereof? Your old accessories' not working? How is that an advantage?

If the PS5 doesn't support PS4 games it would be a Huge mistake, Xbox 5 would have a big advantage and probably be the leader again. All because of blind Sony fanboys downplaying the advantages of backwards compatibility because Sony doesn't have it at the moment.

being able to use my Xbox one elite controller and games on my Xbox 5 sounds great to me. Please explain to me how that is a negative thing?

[OB1Biker]

•traditional console cycle.
As I understand basically a new cycle will be PS5 while now we still are in the PS4 generation. I don't see how it would be a problem to be compatible with PS4 and certainly not too complicated like it is for PS3.
In :the same way I sure expect the PSVR for example and controllers to be compatible. I'm not really interested in BC for games though. I never said BC was a negative thing on Xbox. Umm xbox 5? Tbh I don't really care about xbox and only PS gamer so there's that.

[UltraNova]

Ps4 and xb1 came out at the same time right? So when the Ps4 Pro was launched it became the leader as it was the next significantly upgraded console to come out 3 years in the current gen.

So its 'one up' for Sony. Scorpio will equalize the score and then Sony will release the ps5 getting ahead by one, again. You see Sony will always be the leader based on your logic.

Think first talk later.

[GuruStarr78]

I think the future of consoles will be something like this; which is very PC-like, but still not quite a PC.

What I mean is, I can see a Sony and MS (and somewhat doubtful for Nintendo, even though I love Nintendo) making something that looks like your traditional console, but every few years you can quite simply take out the main processing parts and replace them with updated specs.

Here's an example of what I'm saying:

Imagine a cartridge type device that slides into the side of your Xbox "Five" or PS9 and automatically it becomes the Xbox "six" or PS10.

Or, it could be done in a fashion that is so easy, you could do it by pressing a button, like the X or the A button on your respective controller, much like updates are done nowadays and then you have you have your "Next - Gen" System!

[DigitalRaptor]

Who on Earth was expecting a different answer from this man?

Despite their intentions, I think the market will be the judge of whether this is true or not. Their decisions were always leaning towards the games as a service model. Not only do they have less first-party studios to support their console than ever, they're cancelling projects all over the place and their main IPs don't even have the strength that they used to, and they're not even making any visible effort to create new ones. It's all about maximising profits on existing IP via things such as transactions where they don't belong.

Despite having the more powerful console in a few months it's going to be harder for them to garner full exclusive third-party support after how those deals have turned out for those involved, the exposition of how they treat certain studios like inconvenient dirt on their shoes, and considering the Scorpio will not do anything to distract PlayStation's market dominance in the long-term.

People will of course being up the old "why is it so important they need to be #1? they're selling better than 360". Well first of all, multibillion Microsoft corporate doesn't see it that way considering the kinds of rejected mechanisms they wasted millions if not billions of R&D resources on to be that #1 sold 'broad-entertainment' box this generation, and the second part can't be true anymore or we'd have solid numbers.

[chrisx]

No matter how any1 tries to spin it, you are right. Facts don't lie, well unless ofcus they're Alternative Facts

[MasterCornholio]

"they're selling better than 360" "

How do we even know that without any numbers from Microsoft?

[ItMatters]

How do you know they're not ? Besides I thought 35% of all Xbox 360's were rrod ? Wouldn't that mean Xbox one is smoking the Xbox 360 ?

[MasterCornholio]

@It

If it was don't you think that Microsoft would share that with us?

" Despite our disaster with Don Mattrick our brand is growing and this is due to the Xbox One outperforming the Xbox 360 in sales. This means that when this generation ends we should be able to top the total units sold of our previous console"

That's something that Microsoft would love to say to investors.

[LexHazard79]

MS only needs to share the info with investors. What will come of it if they shared it with us? More articles about how Xbox loses MS money and look how much better Playstation sales are.
Sony loves to showoff Playstation because its the only good thing the company has. Sony is in deep doo doo overall...

[MasterCornholio]

@Lex

And Microsoft can also choose which information they want to share with us and investors.

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Monthly Active Users seems to be the replace for Xbox One hardware numbers.

Some interesting bits from the article.

"Monthly active users means the number of people who logged into Xbox Live in the past 30 days and it counts not only Xbox One, but also Xbox 360 and PC. For Microsoft's latest quarter, it had 48 million monthly active users."

"The nice thing about us selling consoles is your console install base will always go up. But that's not really a reflection of how healthy your ecosystem is. We focus on the monthly active user base because we know those are gamers making a conscious choice to pick our content, our games, our platform, our service. We want to gauge our success on how happy and engaged those customers are. We need to keep them happy."

[freshslicepizza]

microsoft has a lot better releationship with third party than nintendo does, yet i hardly ever see you guys have any concern for them, how odd.

we get it, you see microsoft as sony's biggest threat which is why you continue to put most of your efforts into trying to make them seem far less competitive than nintendo.

[Aenea]

What? You must have missed all the negative articles and comments about lack of 3rd party support for the Switch!

[ninsigma]

People are constantly berating Nintendo about their lack of 3rd party relationships.

[freshslicepizza]

@ninsigma
"People are constantly berating Nintendo about their lack of 3rd party relationships."

not by this guy and some of the other regulars who continually talk about scorpio.

and no, i dont think scorpio will be thir last. i think they are going to have a model like the apple does with their products. after so many years (maybe 6?) you will be pretty much forced to buy newer hardware. kind of like the pc market as well to play newer games. so it will be about the same length of a generation but there will be more hardware revisions

[LexHazard79]

@Moldy, we have to take Microsoft and Sony... and replace with Xbox and Playstation. In the overall scheme of things Microsoft is on another level than Sony as a company. Sony is bleeding money.....

[Godmars290]

Because Nintendo has strong 1st party whereas MS's is, at this point anyway, next to nonexistant?

Its that a Mario or Zelda title can be so varied from the last entry that make mention of a new game something to be excited for, where Halo or Gears is more of the same. Suffers because more story then, "Shoot and Kill Things" is being inserted into them.

And after three console gens with only one arguable where they lead, and again given that was only by one territory, I would hardly call MS any sort of threat much less Sony's biggest.

[freshslicepizza]

@Godmars290
"Because Nintendo has strong 1st party whereas MS's is, at this point anyway, next to nonexistant?"

and the wii u sold half of the xbox one and the xbox one has been out less time. this just goes to show third party is actually more important because nintendo has stronger value in its first party than sony does.

"And after three console gens with only one arguable where they lead, and again given that was only by one territory, I would hardly call MS any sort of threat much less Sony's biggest."

of course they are, its why sony fans are so obsessed with what they do and hardware sales have proven nintendo has sold less systems and the wii was just an anomaly that attracted the casual crowd who have moved on. in fact third party are still much more apprehensive to support switch over the xbox. there is a lot more optimism over switch here but where it counts with developers there is a lot more suppprt going forward with the xbox. so who are we to belive more, a site infested with sony fans who hate microsoft or developers who suppprt where they can make the most money?

[Godmars290]

Nintendo's issue is that they're unwilling to commit to the tech race MS and Sony are in. Meanwhile both have borrowed from Nintendo while not really adding much since Sony took and ran with CDs. But because 3rd party devs, namely EA and Activision, also chase the tech-dragon they don't want to step back a gen or two much stop relying on patches and updates where Nintendo has yet to grasp such concepts. If they had done such with the Wii, that is, if the Wii had actually been a comparable system of its gen rather than a half measure with a gimmick, it would have blown the 360 and PS3 out of the water.

Similarly, if MS gave up on micromanaging their 1st party studios towards stagnancy, stopped trying to rely on 3rd parties and giving more to their user base than lip service, they'd be in a better position. As is they pushed always online, gave no real incentives while insisting that they were, and in general put their own wants above the consumer base they mistakenly think they own.

[DigitalRaptor]

Moldy just can't help himself putting words in the mouths of others and inventing scenarios that didn't happen. Like the time he accused me of gaming exclusively on Sony platforms because of his dislike for the things I have said about Microsoft and Xbox in the past. It's funny how he's digging into me about not bringing up Nintendo's lack of 3rd party support enough - as if there's even a quota. It's funny because you criticise Sony and PlayStation more than Microsoft by an absolute landslide, you don't criticise Nintendo for the same things you criticise Sony for as if those are expected, you shove genuinely bad Xbox news and under the rug until there's no more room left, you don't live by your own supposed principles of "choice" when they directly relate to Microsoft witholding choice from PC gamers in the PC market. And you lie about PlayStation to serve the agenda you pretend isn't there. But, those of us who don't criticise Nintendo enough are the ones with the agenda...... rightttttt... definitely not the hypocrite who trolls Sony articles and claims to hate console wars. 🙄

Luckily, Nintendo has a strong enough first-party that isn't in a decline or in risk of become stagnant due to inherent creativity, and they're still supporting their consoles with properties that define them. Nintendo also doesn't have investors that are encouraging them to close internal studios. The third party side of things is something they can only change with the foundation of how they envision their own hardware (in terms of power), but what you're really trying to do is to use Nintendo's unique situation as a console manufacturer as a tool to attack others you don't like. So what's worse, really?

Godmars trounced you, like we all did in that other article where you were just there to troll and spread stupidity and misinformation about the PlayStation brand. You try and downplay exclusivity in every and all forms (for obvious reasons) and we all know why it became more frequent as soon as Xbox lost all of its exclusives to the PC. In this case you try and act as though 3rd party is the key to success for Nintendo, which may well be true, but it's under the guise of "exclusives don't matter" and "Wii was an anomaly" which don't really say anything to disprove anything I initially said.

That is something you LITERALLY berated someone else for in another article not long ago, and yet you're doing the same thing here. You're just trying to misdirect and divert criticism of Microsoft and trying to make it about the character of someone you dislike rather than responding about what the person initially said.

[freshslicepizza]

@Godmars290
"Nintendo's issue is that they're unwilling to commit to the tech race MS and Sony are in. Meanwhile both have borrowed from Nintendo while not really adding much since Sony took and ran with CDs. But because 3rd party devs, namely EA and Activision, also chase the tech-dragon they don't want to step back a gen or two much stop relying on patches and updates where Nintendo has yet to grasp such concepts. If they had done such with the Wii, that is, if the Wii had actually been a comparable system of its gen rather than a half measure with a gimmick, it would have blown the 360 and PS3 out of the water. "

which reflects nintendo's lack of competition as seen by hardware sales. switch might do better but once again they are going in their own direction which looks to continue the issue with western devs.

"Similarly, if MS gave up on micromanaging their 1st party studios towards stagnancy, stopped trying to rely on 3rd parties and giving more to their user base than lip service, they'd be in a better position. As is they pushed always online, gave no real incentives while insisting that they were, and in general put their own wants above the consumer base they mistakenly think they own."

and even with a lack of investment that compares to nintendo and sony they have still manged to sell double the wii u and are really the only competition for sony. which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo.

@DigitalRaptor
"Moldy just can't help himself putting words in the mouths of others and inventing scenarios that didn't happen."

then prove me wrong, show us all your history on talking about nintendo as much as you do about microsoft. i'll wait...and sowill everyone else because we all know what i said is true.

"It's funny because you criticise Sony and PlayStation more than Microsoft by an absolute landslide, you don't criticise Nintendo for the same things you criticise Sony for

ok, stop right there and think to yourself how you are describing you and instead of sony replace it with microsoft.

"Nintendo also doesn't have investors that are encouraging them to close internal studios. The third party side of things is something they can only change with the foundation of how they envision their own hardware (in terms of power), but what you're really trying to do is to use Nintendo's unique situation as a console manufacturer as a tool to attack others you don't like. So what's worse, really?"

the proof is in third party support. you guys keep giving nintendo a free pass and we all know why you do and instead concentrate all your efforts on microsoft. we also know you hope this is microsoft's last console. thats what happens when you take your toys to a personal level. not once would i ever consider sony to stop doing what they are doing so please continue this comedy act of yours going after me for doinf far less than you have done towards microsoft.

[DigitalRaptor]

"which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo."

Which is an opinion that you constantly try and paint as fact because of the people you dislike and what they say about the corporation and brand that you value. Just like you think that not talking about and criticizing Nintendo to the same degree as Microsoft constitutes hypocrisy and also a tool to use to hate on them, which again is an opinion.
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"then prove me wrong, show us all your history on talking about nintendo as much as you do about microsoft. i'll wait...and sowill everyone else because we all know what i said is true."

I'm not quite sure what you think gives you the upper ground here, considering you've point blank ignored me because you know you can't prove things I've asked for in the past. Regardless, I went as far as saying that I don't have a long history of talking about Nintendo's third-party inadequacies on this site - if you'd have read my comment properly (something you continually fail to do, I mean continually) you'd have not needed to talk about that to try and discredit me. We all know what I said in the original comment (that you conveniently glossed over in order to attack me) is true, but as I said you cherry picked what you wanted to to make this not about the article or what I said, but me - or in this case, you didn't respond to ANY of it.

And not just this, but you took the conversation completely off-topic, which is something you've criticized others for doing, but it's okay in this instance because you're moldybread and ignoring the contents of the original comment and going off-topic is okay when you have beef with DigitalRaptor. It doesn't matter if what they say is true, if they're not criticizing Nintendo for certain things, you can pretend it's not valid and hopefully get others to agree with you if you make it more personal.
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"ok, stop right there and think to yourself how you are describing you and instead of sony replace it with microsoft."

When have I ever denied that is what I do or have done? Your existence on this site is seemingly to attack me based on what I say about MS and Xbox. It affects you deeply. Equally you do exactly what I described, so why don't you prove otherwise? It's one thing to try and accuse others of attacking MS and not doing the same for Nintendo, but you do the exact same except with you it's the opposite. You don't criticise MS or Nintendo for the same ideals you do with Sony. Nor do you seem to care about balance as long is it makes Sony look bad and a PlayStation product look less desirable to those reading your comments, and it doesn't even have to be factual.
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"you guys keep giving nintendo a free pass and we all know why you do"

Just like we all know why you troll on PlayStation articles and downplay the value of exclusive games on a platform, right? It's just as easy to form that opinion of you. Having said that, I think most people have treated Nintendo differently for a long time, and I definitely do and don't shy away from admitting it because they are certainly (without doubt, undeniably) different in a valuable sense to the industry. It's weird to see you use this as a base of comparison considering Nintendo have been in this industry for 30 years and have made certain choices that define their brand. Meanwhile, Xbox has been in it for just 15 years and what do we have, but what I have described in my initial comment?

[DigitalRaptor]

"we also know you hope this is microsoft's last console. thats what happens when you take your toys to a personal level."

Putting words in mouths again I see. Forming an opinion from personal dislike of a person because of the truths they tell of a multibillion dollar corporation and their brand is definitely not you taking it personally, and I'm sure that time you got aggressive with me for simply bringing up praise of PS4's upcoming lineup of games isn't personal either. I'm sure you hate the console wars, and I'm sure you're not taking PS4 fans being passionate about the PS4 personally either... /s
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So all in all, what can we gauge from your response? Cherry picked quotes where you only answered what you think you had a point addressing, and ignored the rest. But funnily enough, you criticised someone else on here very recently for doing the same thing. So we've established you're a hypocrite, that enjoys calling out hypocrisy mostly in a broad sense against a fanbase or sometimes personally, and that you would rather try and discredit someone to shield Microsoft from criticism than actually address their comments.

[Godmars290]

"they have still manged to sell double the wii u"

What does that even mean as you insist, as its been admitted by all including Nintendo, that the Wii u is a failure? Like insisting that though the first Xbox lead the Gamecube by 2 million in sales, trailed behind the PS2 by a 100 million, that 2nd place was somehow significant.

The XB1 has limited presence in the US and some of the EU while the PS4 leads those same markets as well as the rest of the world, owns a 2-1 lead in this cripple-minded mentality of a market, and somehow MS is a threat? If so, then not by any direct, product-to-product, means.

"which again i will say is why so many sony loyalists keep their lazer pointers aimed in their direction, much more than nintendo."

Can't speak for Sony fans, but my only Xbox interest, after the always online fixation became apparent, was sub-based access to online. Which is now a thing on all systems but PC, and not for a lack of trying.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

You do enjoy living in fanboy fantasy land moldy. You really, really do.

[rainslacker]

I've come to the conclusion that MS actions, policies, and general performance this gen has broken Moldybread.

He used to be somewhat intelligent when trying to do what he's doing here.

[Lennoxb63]

I agree that MS needs more exclusives. But you have to realize that Sony and MS' situations are very different. MS' big money maker isn't Xbox. Sony's PS division is. Of course Sony is going to support it more. Just like MS supports Windows more. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony is putting more money into PS than MS is with Xbox, even though MS is the richer company.

[G20WLY]

So if MS doesn't run Xbox for the express purpose of making money, why does it do it at all? If it was for the fans, they'd bring more and better games out.

Honestly, at this stage, I'm starting to feel like Xbox is being kept alive to save face for MS, and not much else.

[ShowanW]

G20WLY

Does anyone understand what consumer facing products are?...

Xbox is one of Microsoft most successful consumer facing products/brand in company history.

The term "You gonna be on Live" has become its own entity...

Oh and by the way, the last dime Microsoft lost on Xbox was after the Kinect write off 2yrs ago. Xbox One is dirt cheap to produce including the One S...

[rainslacker]

That's fair enough, but MS is marketing a console, and supporting that console is kind of their responsibility.

The level with which they should be "required" to support it is up for debate, but generally, if they're not going to support it to the point that is satisufactory to enough people, then what's the point in even providing a console.

Having a lackluster console to simply try and hold onto a minority share of the console market isn't doing them that many favors, when it's considerably cheaper, and much more profitable, to actually just not bother with the hardware itself.

I know MS intent is to get people into it's ecosystem, but there are much cheaper ways to do that per user than trying to keep making Xbox more successful.

For this gen, MS kind of fumbled the ball at the start of this gen, and it hurt all the positive momentum they had with the 360. I think it could be hard to get a lot of what they lost back, because social media is a much different beast than it was back when the 360 released, and as it stands, it would appear that MS biggest criticism isn't power, it isn't poor hardware, but it's games. So the support is important for success, and if their corporate policies are such that it's going to focus on Windows, then why should the consumer care to support the Xbox as a gaming machine?

MS seems to think that it's on the consumer to support their goal, instead of MS providing the consumer with something they want, which will bring the support naturally, in due course. I think MS also forgot that it's really only MS that cares about Windows, where the rest of the world isn't all bent on it being so awesome.

[ItMatters]

Street fighter didn't even break half a million on ps4.

[LexHazard79]

That the developers fault. Had they made a good SF game from the get trust it wouldve sold millions by now. Capcom fumbled....

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Basically what you're doing is calling Phil Spencer a liar. And you're lumping 2 game cancellations together and treating it as if games never get cancelled. Including Sony Santa Monica's "Destiny like" new IP. In which they laid off half the employees and cancelled the game completely.
Sony just closed down a 20 year old studio that they forced to make a VR game. Sony has closed a ton of studios, cancelled games, but let's focus on Xbox because it's "Evil Microsoft" right? lol
So sad that you're continuing this narrative when the head of Xbox said otherwise..

[Yohshida]

He is a known troll, just ignore him.

[DigitalRaptor]

How can you respond like this and not feel embarrassed?

1) I have called Phil a liar before but not here. I'm right... what else do you expect him to say on a public domain? "We're a bit unsure of the future of our brand - we've closed over half our internal development resource last year and it's not certain if our upcoming games will be successful enough to prevent similar action from happening again". He can say what he wants on Twitter as he does for his PR and reputation management, but like I said, the market will be the judge of if Scorpio is their last console, based on how well it performs on the market. If it doesn't drag the brand up and get them to sell more XB1 consoles then there might not be a new Xbox.

2) Microsoft closed/canceled EIGHT studios and projects last year in March: https://twitter.com/vg_dave... - It happened, and you can deny it all you want but that alone butchered over 50% of their first-party studios making games for them. Then Scalebound was canceled a year later.

3) Santa Monica's "Destiny like" new IP wasn't announced or banded around E3 and Gamescom trade shows for years as a product that people were basing their purchase of a PS4 on. The studio then went on to make a great looking new God of War game that will either be out late this year or by next March. Microsoft strung you fools along for years with those games, marketed as part of the "best lineup in Xbox history" (LOL) and then they were canceled.

4) Sony actually allowed them to release a game they were passionately working on for years rather than see it shelved never to see the light of day - which is the most depressing thing imaginable within that context. Only an Xbox loyalist fanboy would say a studio was "forced" to make a VR game to make it sound worse, but whatever makes you feel better about that situation.

5) How many studios constitutes "a ton" that Sony has closed? And remind me how many first-party studios and games Sony has in production compared to Microsoft, who's "exclusive" lineup is dwindling and made up mostly of the same delayed games that have been doing the rounds at E3 for many years.

What's actually sad is that you are so insecure that you're actually looking into my comment and reading things I didn't actually say. You're denying facts, and pretending that brutally closing most of their first-party studios (something you've said Sony is lacking) in one foul swoop is not a big deal and that Xbox's 2017 lineup is not meagre or "sparse" as you mocked PS4 for. I can sense the pain in your words. Must be hard being an Xbox fanboy this generation.

Right, and so.... I'm going to actually believe that being the head of Xbox makes one immune to lying. The heads of state of countries LIE all of the time, so other than corporate loyalty what makes you think the head of a company wouldn't lie? They've been caught with their pants down (so to speak) often enough from the very start of this generation. Only the loyalists would deny it.

[Angel911]

No visible efforts to create new IPs?

They released lot of new IPs but sadly none of them were hugely successful.

Ryse
Sunset Overdive
Quantum Break
Ori and the blind forest
Recore
and this yearr Ashen, Sea of thieves and Cuphead which is funded by MS and one new IP will be announced at E3.

And then you have your sequels of big IPs like crackdown nd all..

They have less exclusives but they are definitely making effort and iam pretty sure they are holding some games back for Scorpio reveal.

And They will have no problem getting 3rd party support coz they are wealthy company with money and devs will make games if MS pays them money..MS is not going to get abandoned by 3rd party like Nintendo and Sega...MS is way too big of a company for 3rd parties to ignore and 90% development studio uses MS software and services to create games. DX is one example. Only selected small niche studios will ignore MS like Atlus Japan and nd all..Big companies will not unless Sony pays them for some exclusive deal.

You are thinking way too much...Being 2nd place doesn't mean they are suffering loss or will not get games. One S is huge success for them and they are making profit on every One S sold now...They are not suffering loss like they were suffering with launch fat Xbox one.

[PhoenixUp]

3 console upgrades? Are you really calling releasing a slimline version of a console, a practice that's been around since the 3rd gen, an upgrade just to establish an agenda?

[game4funz]

Yes they are. Anything goes it seems. Its quite pathetic.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, they've been doing it for a while now. Kind of weird. Usually, the slims are appreciated, because they're cheaper, and tend to run better. Now it's some sort of progressive upgrade that needs to be demonized. I assume next gen, the various revisions to hardware will be the new measure of the upgrade path. PS2 had 15 revisions, 2 of which caused slimming down. I think it will be regarded as the worst console ever because of the new goal post.

But, I've come to the conclusion that a lot of people are stupid also, so there is that I guess.

[chrisx]

So we should be expecting Xbone/two or xbox 1,2 sometime. But with the Xbone and future Xconsoles no longer having real exclusives, I guess it would be a console for the ms diehards

[freshslicepizza]

as long as nintendo and sony fans continue to purchase games like call of duty, star wars battlefornt and many others also available on the pc there will always be a market for microsoft having a console even though they are now putting theor games on the pc.

[Lennoxb63]

I like how Nintendo and Sony gamers claim to have PCs, yet buy their multiplats on console. lol

[freshslicepizza]

how many ps4 fans here talk about playing windows 10 games? so why does it matter if microsoft is now putting their games on windows devices and not just xbox?

[LexHazard79]

@lennox and moldy, you guys knocked it out the park with those comments.
Its all facts..

[christocolus]

@Lennox

Lol. This is so true but I don't really see diehard nintendo fans saying that though, it's mostly the Sony fans you meet online.

Moldys comment below is spot on. Xbox one sales haven't reduced due to the play anywhere initiative. Those who want to buy the console are still very interested in it and all these BS comments you read online i.e "no exclusives", "I can just pick up said games on PC" don't hold water. Not everyone likes PC gaming and as long as MS keeps investing and improving the xbox ecosystem with better online infrastructure, great hardware,1st party games and strong 3rd party relationships people will keep buying their console. Nothing anyone can do about that an for those with windows 10 PCs and Xbox One consoles, Play anywhere is an amazing feature.

[freshslicepizza]

christocolus, i'm not worried about them no longer using the xbox as their main focus, in fact i welcome them supporting the pc. it gives many choices. even nintendo is hoping 3ds gamers eventually migrate to the switch and will use the 3ds an an entry point. the xbox one s is that entry point, then a more serious gamer can get scorpio if they still like a console experience and xbox live unification. or they can go my route to the pc and work within your budget.

what i am worried about is microsoft's long term goals as far as game development. are they going to turn into valve and apple who just use the device as a placeholder for others to support or will they invest more into creating more teams? if microsoft waits for e3 to give details about scorpio i would be worried. they need to get the info out before so that e3 is 't all about scorpio and intsead about games.

[Zenbaby]

@Lennoxb63. I'm more of a sony fan, but I have xbox one, "soon a switch" and a pc. I buy a lot of multiplats on xbox or ps because not all my friends can afford a nice pc. It's not as far fetched as you think.

[DragonDDark]

Lennoxb63 just like how Xbox fans claim they own a pc when a PS exclusive goes to PC. No double standards buddy.

[rainslacker]

@Lennox

And I like how many Xbox fans now suddenly like playing those same Xbox games on PC. It's like that's what they wanted all along.

[game4funz]

Or casuals...which make up the majority.

[LexHazard79]

I think alot more casuals went with Playstation this time around. Not alot of casuals "jumped in" @$499.

[Zeref]

For people who have both Xbox and Windows 10. Xbox Play Anywhere is a godsend. Now I can play MY games at my desk or on the go on my laptop. Or I can just crash on the couch on my console. Microsoft is selling an ecosystem here and it's called Xbox. So when they call a Play anywhere game Xbox Exclusive. They mean Exclusive to the Xbox ecosystem.

[game4funz]

Yes exactly. not like we heard this whole its not exclusive crap when the same things where happening between vita and playstaion3.

[LexHazard79]

I still, to this day dont know what Xbone is..Lol.

On topic comment: obviously a Xbox console is made for Xbox supporters...which you're not.

[G20WLY]

Really? It's just an abbreviation of 'Xbox One'. Drop the 'ox' and you have Xbone. Nothing more exciting than that!

[starchild]

XB1 is an easier three digit abbreviation that is used by a lot of game sites. I think the reason a lot of fanboys like to use "xbone" is because it sounds vaguely pejorative. From there you also see words like "xboner" which is clearly meant to be insulting.

[zaherdab]

a full article and all i see is spencer responding "No" to a question ...

[game4funz]

And we'll have someone say they're tired of Spencer and ALL that he says. lol

[Aenea]

'journalism'

[jokerisalive]

I can't see MS pulling out of the console business when there is potential for them to make money but they are getting trounced by Sony this gen. Who knows? He would have to say no to avoid any controversy or potential fallout from fans. I hope they do well with Scorpio and sell enough consoles to make up some ground and remain relevant. They need to really focus on new IP's and studios for first party software. If they can do that they will have done the most important thing to keep the Xbox brand alive for the forseeable future.

[ItMatters]

So should Pepsi just throw in the towel since coke has been number 1 for
So long ? You guys don't understand business at all.

[starchild]

Very true. A lot of these people really don't understand business or economics at all. That's clear from their comments.

They seem to think this is a zero sum, winner-takes-all kind of game, but it really isn't. A product doesn't have to sell as much as another product to be successful and profitable in its own right.

Pepsi doesn't have to sell as much as Coke. iOS doesn't have to sell as much as Android. Pepsi and iOS are well established, popular brands despite not selling nearly as much as certain competing brands.

These people who act like two products selling neck and neck is the norm are really completely out of touch with reality. That is not the norm at all and it's bizarre to see these people act as if it spells doom for the lesser selling product.

[LexHazard79]

Remain relevant? Xbox One is probably almost at 30(rd off) million sold...and counting.
Do you know how many companies would want those consumers?

[rainslacker]

New console gens can go either way really. Lots of factors which play into which consoles will be successful, which will fail, and how well they'll do for the gen.

[windblowsagain]

Microsoft Could have brought out a Console that destroys anything. Not even in the same ballpark and sold it cheaply. Took complete market share.

But instead. Did it on the cheap and Went on about TV TV TV. Instead in investing in first party studios. Because MS do not care about gaming. They just want to own the living room.

[LexHazard79]

See I cant say they dont care about gaming. They spent big on Gears, they spent big on Minecraft. The CEO himself said gaming is a big part of MS going forward. Just think of Valve, they dominate PC gaming, but why cant they break in the living room with Steambox?
Microsoft is already there...

[DigitalRaptor]

Pretty much everything windblowsagain said is true.

They want the profits from gaming, but don't want to put in the effort, make the right investments or take the risks like Sony or Nintendo have in their first 15 years in the gaming market. They want everything both those companies have achieved, they want it in half the time and without trying. They seek shortcuts to success rather than embrace what matters most in this industry, and that is the story of the XB1.

Seeking to ensure that their second and only other substantial IP besides Halo doesn't go to other platforms besides their own is a matter of self-interest, not something that grows the industry because of the things I already mentioned. They bought the IP and got the team they had making a great looking new IP to stop working on it, and become a studio destined to churn out GeoW games so that Halo wouldn't be their only golden goose. New IP is the lifeblood of the industry and yet they only have one upcoming AAA one that looks like it stands a chance at being successful. Everything else has been a one and done deal or canceled and potential growth quelled due to their own mismanagement and lack of care.

Minecraft is a game but their purchase of Mojang was a self-interest move, not a for the growth of the gaming industry move. In addition to syphoning the game's revenue, it was something to ensure that that they'll be in complete control of that team if it makes another gargantuan hit (which I don't see being likely). They want to use concepts like Minecraft to help sell their other business ventures, like they tried with HoloLens, and having it installed on Windows 10 machines helps too.

Their initial vision of the Xbox One doesn't sound like they care for the industry and gaming at all, and closing most of their development studios really doesn't sound like progress to me.

[Ju]

Really? I guess they are some sort of masochists, then. Clearly they did not want to do that with the original XBox, 360 and One...right...?

[XXanderXX]

Good cause I look to game till I can't game no more and rather continue to do so on the console I prefer.

[XXanderXX]

How dare I only want to support my preferred console .
Some seem to think all others console shall falter due to my action . Wow talk about stretch.

[DragonDDark]

Some people disagree with you. Unbelievable

[Doopy]

I guess Apple should throw the towel when they're second to Android, right? Wishful thinking. Nintendo is the first to go.

[MasterCornholio]

Apple has a massive profit margin on the products that they sell. Plus they manage to sell those products extremely well which is why investors are happy with the performance of Apple products.

Comparing Microsoft's Xbox division to Apple is pretty absurd in my opinion.

[Doopy]

Xbox division has been making Microsoft a profit since 2008. Not to mention Microsoft is the biggest video game company right now. http://www.therichest.com/b...

[starchild]

No, it's not absurd at all. Xbox is making money for Microsoft. Xbox is much closer in sales to PS4 than iOS is to Android. Nothing more needs be said. It's a valid comparison in terms of what's being discussed here.

[MasterCornholio]

@Starchild

I'm not saying that Xbox doesn't make money for Microsoft I'm saying that saying that comparing Microsoft's Xbox division to Apple is a bit absurd. It's kind of like comparing Sonys PlayStation division to all of Microsoft. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Also that article the user submitted was based off information in 2012. Don't you believe that the situation is very different this generation than last generation? That's why the numbers are probably very different if we were probably able to calculate them at this moment.

[MasterCornholio]

That article is pretty old. That revenue was from 2012. If you could provide a similar article based on data from 2016 I would appreciate it.

P.S Market Cap =\= Revenue

[ShowanW]

@MasterCornholio...

Its not hard to figure out.

Kinect write off was 2yrs ago or so now. So thats no longer a loss against the books. The Xbox One/S cost literally nothing to make (even if u include the 4K UHD player). As long as sales are up and production cost are down its a win. Also Xbox Live subs are basically free money no matter how u slice the poe...

[MasterCornholio]

@Shown

And how do you calculate revenue (R= P×Q) and growth in sales (∆%=(Q2-Q1/Q1) without knowing the quantitys sold?

See it isn't that easy to calculate when you don't know the quantitys.

"Also Xbox Live subs are basically free money no matter how u slice the poe..."

That isn't true. An Xbox Live subscription is access to a service that Microsoft provides. That service is Xbox Lives Multiplayer however the subscription also helps pay for other parts of the service like server maintenance for example. This all means there are costs that Microsoft's has to endure to provide Xbox Live to it's customers. I'm pretty sure they don't have a 100% profit margin on Xbox Live Subscriptions. They need to sell a certain number of them to break even with the operating costs. Once they do they they can start to make a profit as long as the operating costs never exceeds the revenue that they receive from Xbox Live.

As for what Microsoft's costs are well that's information only available in the internal accounts of the company. It's not something that you can get just by looking at the balance. That information is only available internally.

[vulsker]

As long as consoles sell, we will keep getting them. I do think they will start to become more of an offspring of pc's than ever to an extent but they will still be consoles.

[wheatley]

I may lack imagination but beyond 4K@60fps where else is there to go? Scorpio sounds like it might or will reach that (depending on the devs and games), and Sony will match that with PS5 a few years after that.
4K TVs are still really expensive, so I don't see 8K or beyond rearing its head anytime soon for the consumer market. So I do feel the console cycle will slow down beyond upgrades to the GPU and slimline, etc. because I don't see the point of anything beyond that. The next jump in hardware would need to be some kind of super realism, and you'll find me playing Yooka-Laylee 3 on it.

[Lennoxb63]

Plenty of places to go after 4k@60fps. It's just not feasible for consoles right now.

[starchild]

It's not all about resolution and framerate. It's about making richer, deeper, more believable game worlds. Even from just a visuals perspective we have a long long way to go. We are far from creating visuals like those in the Avatar movie in real time on a console or PC. And even that isn't the end point. Not to mention other aspects of game design that will require more hardware performance.

[ShowanW]

The usual pundits with the same lame replies in each Xbox thread...

Microsoft is NOT a stuck in the now kind of company.
Microsoft has always taken the long haul approach to things

Gettin destroyed doesnt matter to them as much as building the Xbox name back up to dominance...

[Dark_Knightmare2]

They never dominated even last gen when they had the rrod fiasco to bolster sales and a year head start and still got outsold by PS3. It's cool to be a fan but don't let that blind you and turn you into a fanboy and not a fan

[ShowanW]

what does your comment even have in relation to mines?
take a good look at Microsoft Corp as a whole, they reiterate at break neck speeds now.
bing outsold doesnt matter any longer because they have the money to just keep going.
there is no desperation to sell as many consoles as possible, because it wont break the company overall...

[tywinlannister000]

What games and content is he referring to?

[Psytrix]

These upgrades are a once off. The 360/PS3 launched when FullHD was in its infancy. Due to the timing of the Xone and PS4 release, both consoles were lacking in technology that was right around the corner. They basically released too early before the rest of the industry could catch up and possibly price drops on certain components were available. The fact that they could only output up to 1080p looks silly when 4K TVs are quickly phasing out FullHD.

[Lennoxb63]

4k isn't quickly phasing out Full HD. At least not for the next 2-3 years. When 4k tvs are cheap as HD tvs are today, then maybe

[Psytrix]

Not sure where you're from, but where I live, FullHD TV's have pretty much disappeared from the market and only 4K TVs are being sold in stores - you can get a 65" 4K TV for $500 some places. Don't think it's going to get much cheaper than that.

[Lennoxb63]

I've seen 4k tvs for $500 as well. But HD tvs are ranging from $200-$300. Like I said before. When 4k tvs are the price of HD tvs today, then we'll see 4k take over.

[Psytrix]

My point still stands that these console upgrades are conveniently releasing to coincide with a new generation of TV's, tech etc. Most manufacturers are already pumping out 3rd generation 4k TV's. It's probably gonna take awhile until mass consumer adoption takes hold. But the industry has indeed moved on.

[rainslacker]

By 2020, it's expected that 4K TV's will make up around 10% of the TV's in people's home. So, it's phasing out HD, but I wouldn't say it's quick. It's quicker than SD to HD, but not in general. There are some really great HDTV's that cost less than $300, and have rather large screens, and a lot of people aren't going to simply spend more for something just because it has some fancy numbers on it....particularly when the content to support it is a ways off or very expensive right now.

[B1uBurneR]

So MS will wait for PS5 to release then hit us with Scorpio II.

[Doopy]

No more generations. Microsoft will probably support two consoles at a time. Each console will get about 6 years.

[Lime123]

They can't support 1, let alone 2.

[Godmars290]

All I'm seeing is MS attempting to create a business model either where they can introduce new and more powerful systems on a whim besides the PC market, under the promise that all of such system will still play the games in question, or create an excuse for migrating the Xbox as hardware towards a PC app. Techicnally bow out of the console race without saying they are, and even continue to offer physical boxes if it suits them. Hand that process over to 3rd parties while retaining the nesscary software OS.

[rainslacker]

I think that's the way MS wanted to get into the console market to begin with. That's why they partnered with Sega on the Dreamcast. Windows CE was made specifically for licensing to 3rd party devices, and was their first attempt at having a baseline OS, which allowed portability between different devices within a single frame work. I don't know if at that time if they intended to try and integrate live into it, but it would make sense if they wanted that eventually, because the live ecosystem has always been their primary focus, even beyond Windows.

Licensed hardware has been attempted before in the console business. Phillips wanted it with CD-i, and of course 3DO. Valve tried it, but I wouldn't consider that a traditional style of console. It isn't a bad business model, as it does allow for 3rd parties to make various hardware, and break into the market should they so choose.

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

I guess now we can get rid of the stupid speculation pieces about Xbox turning into a service or going strictly PC?
I'm sure this disappoints naysayers who just love to crap on Xbox and say because they put games on Windows and console they must be getting ready to dump the console....lol
Lots of egg on face today!

[DigitalRaptor]

Is this satire, or just some ironic form of corporate slavery?

Xbox is 100% turning into a service.

Master Philip says the something that the opposite of which would absolutely terrible PR, and to these slaves, that constitutes that Scorpio is definitely not going to be the last console they make - as if he actually knows the answer to that. He can't even hold on to exclusives that he promised you and can't ensure studios stay open and games get made. But of course he can definitely ensure Xbox consoles will go beyond Scorpio as if that isn't under the complete control of the higher ups at Microsoft. /s

I sometimes really think these Xboys are more naive than this chap: https://hugelolcdn.com/i/21...

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

He's said multiple times that they already have console plans after Scorpio. A service would be like PlayStation Now, right? A Netflix (like) subscription service that doesn't require you to own anything from Sony. (I can play it on my Samsung TV).
Microsoft owns Windows (98% of people use this on PC) and they own Xbox. A very recognizable console in the industry. You seem really smart and all /s but I think I'll take the head of Xbox's word for it over someone who does nothing but bash and try to spread FUD on the Xbox brand on this site nonstop.
How many studios has Sony closed? How many games has Sony cancelled? Please stop the hyperbole, it doesn't suit someone of your intellect.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Dude I like Xbox too but if you really believe they listen to us more Than any other gaming company does with its fans thats just not true

[BigGamersSmallTalk]

Liking Xbox and seeing results are two different things. We asked for backwards compatibility, and we got it. We vote on games we want to become BC and they do it. Xbox fans asked for a powerful console to end the stupid resolution war, and we're getting it with Scorpio. People complained about the laggy OS with Snap, so they completely re-worked it.
They allowed EA Access when Sony didn't. They allow us to change out user names on XBL, Sony still doesn't. They listened when we asked for an Elite controller. We asked for more AAA games when they do Games With Gold and they listened again.
I can't think of a company that has listened more. They interact socially with fans on a daily basis. I've never gotten anyone from Sony to even acknowledge my existence.

[WeAreLegion]

You say that like Sony hasn't done the exact same thing. #BuildTheList

We're getting Crash remakes, a Final Fantasy VII remake, tons of previously Japan-only games released in the West, more exclusives in the first three months of this year than Microsoft has planned from January until the foreseeable future, external HDD support, Spotify in-game, and tons of other games/features we've been asking for. Xbox is playing catch-up just as much as Sony. You realize PS Plus gives PS4 owners anywhere from 2 to 6 games a month, right? That's cross-buy with Vita and PS3. Something you all have been praising Microsoft for recently, but existed several years ago for PlayStation fans.

So, chill out. Microsoft isn't doing anything special. You're just focusing on the things they've done right, without paying attention to the other side of the fence.

Sony interacts with fans on a daily basis, too. The PlayStation Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube accounts, as well as Shu, Shawn Layden, Andrew House, and several other execs interact with fans a lot.

How did they manage to brainwash you like this? Both companies are doing the same things, in different capacities.

[battlegrog]

Simple,Both systems will continue to use the same software just like how steam has been doing on windows for years. This means games will contiue to work on every new console. Now all it is is selling the brand which sony is dominating not what the console does.Like pc does not matter what kinda pc you have you can still play games. In fact i bet you anything one day sony will have its own service on pc like steam.Not ps now

[343_Guilty_Spark]

There is nothing incremental about Scorpio

[dumahim]

"Project Scorpio Isn't Microsoft's Last Console, Rejects Xbox Boss"
So, it is the last console?

[Trigem]

As long as consoles are around, I'll keep supporting them. [I game on PC too, but I don't care much about the platform], being part of the console community feels better to ME.

[Ju]

I think it really questions what a "console" means. So far, developers could rely on the HW to deliver exactly what they were expecting. With mid gen upgrades, this shifts and creates quite some issues for developers. Before, they needed to be close to the metal to achieve the desired result, but with tech advancing this isn't really that necessary any more. All those hitting the HW will have troubles to scale, but if written cleanly against OS and APIs this should work fine for generations moving forward. Even resolution scaling and all. I think we are at the beginning of that trend, after PS4Pro and Scorpio, this will be the norm. For the PS4 this is still a bit tricky, because game were optimized for that platform. But with the Pro (and Scorpio) moving forward this should be pretty much covered by the OS (and a base performance ballpark). If so, I question why we need traditional console generations. Heck, it works somewhat well with iPhone and Android. As long as the fragmentation isn't getting out of hand (how can it with only two vendors) this should be easily manageable by devs and I would think we will see new HW every tow to three years. I like that idea. But it probably won't sell those millions per "generation" but per platform.

[yeahokwhatever]

"Everything is fine." - Enron Exec

[Inzo]

Lol, just less than a year ago Spencer said that the Scorpio is MS's last console.

[Lennoxb63]

Link? Because Spencer never said that. They said they weren't doing generations anymore.

[Inzo]

Frankly I dont see the difference. The idea was that you would be able to upgrade the Scorpio like you would a PC, somewhere along the line MS has seen that that kite isnt going to fly hence these words, "the Scorpio will not be our last console". The irony is if the Scorpio fails it probably will be.

[thexmanone]

I think your getting confused, Sony said that.

https://www.fool.com/invest...

[Inzo]

No I'm not.

http://wccftech.com/microso...

[LastCenturyRob]

Why even call these "upgrades"?...Used to be a new console would be launched every five years... The 360/PS3 gen was unusually long but all others before them were much shorter. Seems things are just going back to how it used to be.

[Bolts]

I'm not hearing what I need to hear from the MS camp. 60 FPS. Without this feature there's no reason to switch from the PS 4 Pro. There's no reason to switch from one console that struggles with 60 FPS to another console will also struggle with 60 FPS.

Bring on the next gen already.

[Tumaras]

It's the same situation that it's been, which is that new consoles will come out with faster hardware - until (or unless) streamed/cloud gaming really becomes a feasible reality. Eventually that's where things are probably going but that's probably a few years away at minimum. The tipping point will be when Internet bandwidth reaches a point that the vast majority of gamers have fast enough reliable Internet to do high resolution quality streamed games without lag. Once things get to that point you just need a tiny low-power terminal box with the gpu/cpu processing being done remotely on cloud hardware. But it's a lowest common denominator type thing, since any customers without fast enough Internet would be shut out, reducing the customer pool which won't cut it. It's getting there and that's the future direction, but real remote cloud gaming without compromise still has some technical hurdles to overcome.

Until then, the basic problem remains that you still have to do the cpu/gpu processing locally in people's homes. And as long as that's the case, that local console hardware will need to be upgraded as often as Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo think they can get away with convincing customers to upgrade their consoles.

[alfcrippinjr]

wow no we dont need another xbox

as they are not supporting the one on the market at the moment
hardly any good games out for it

i play my ps4 more then my xbox one collecting dust

[thexmanone]

I could say the same, My son plays my Xbox one more then his PS4. His PS4 is collecting dust.

Not everyone likes what the PS4 offers believe or not. Its nice to have a choice.

[alfcrippinjr]

yeah but there not that much of choice at all to play
kids like to play xbox as they are school and most of there friends will have one

im very dis pointed how microsoft have not release i wide selection of games

[potedude]

"Would the PlayStation 5 be less powerful than the current PlayStation 4 Pro and followed up with a slim and another PS5 Pro?"

Huh? What sort of a stupid sentence is that? Quality article right there...

[alfcrippinjr]

there is only so much you can do with consoles
but sony has the correct answer there a lot of life left on the ps4 and pro version

Microsoft just wants the bragging rights that it

if they really did care we would had a line up of amazing library of games on the xbox one
which we do not have.

[Kokyu]

Stop talking start showing MS. Anyone remember the Power of the Cloud? Lol. Talk time is over you less than 12 months left til launch best get talking.