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Sony needs to show its commitment to PSVR

Resident Evil 7 is a great coup, but the company must prove the platform isn't going the way of PS Move.

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skydragoonityx2651d ago

I have great confidence in sony

thorstein2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

I do too. And after playing the SW Battlefront VR mission, the sky is the limit. I have never felt that enjoyment since I was a little kid holding my mommy's hand walking into see Empire Strikes Back.

Resident Evil 7 can be totally played in VR...or on your couch. That is the future and I think it will be wonderful.

Every VR experience I have had so far with the device has been mind blowing.

EDIT: Imagine what Naughty Dog, Guerrilla Games, and Sucker Punch could do with this.

mogwaii2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

The key word their is experience.
Its going the way of vita and move.

thorstein2650d ago

@mogwaii,

Haven't tried it yet? You should, especially before espousing an opinion.

How sitting in the cockpit of a virtual X-Wing and going toe to toe with Tie Fighters wouldn't be an awesome experience for any SW fan would be mindboggling.

Of course, I am just speaking about people who love this hobby, not the bitter hateboys who hate all things gaming but then obsess over things months after a game's supposed "controversies."

GtR35olution2650d ago

There are over 60 games for psvr available since it launched in october 2016 and one of the best titles for psvr exclusively was released days ago which is resident evil 7

Mrveryodd2649d ago

Dude ... You sold me☺

IamTylerDurden12649d ago

Resident Evil 7 and Battlefront X-Wing are proof of concept that VR works, and works well. Anyone who doubts it needs only to play them. Doubters are missing out on cutting edge fun and a level of immersion we've never seen before. Resident Evil 7 is a legit AAA that is FULLY playable in PSVR and it works incredibly well and is the premier way to play it. We're here, it's early, but VR is a legit and viable tech that will continue to improve. All of us who got in early are having a blast.

BenRC012649d ago

Having more fun than I've ever had in 37yrs of gaming. Its utterly phenomenal and impossible to imagine without trying it.
There's tons of stuff already, don't care if nothing else ever gets made, I'd have paid double if I'd known what a massive leap in gaming it was gonna be. 4k and hdr suddenly seem very old fashioned.

Gamist2dot02649d ago

I think EA is working a full X-Wing game for VR.

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Eonjay2649d ago

I do too, but they also need to actually produce more units. Yes, we get the shortage and all that, but they honestly need to just find a way to deal with it.

Mr_cheese2649d ago

I'm sorry but I'm sick of these articles.

PSVR is something special and not just because it's playstation the medium itself is something special Oculus rift, vice as well!

Playstation has done a great job at launching an affordable version that can be and is being strongly pushed. When I first brought my psvr, I was thinking tha that most games were sort of like demos of what could be in the future and then I played eve valkyrie, and then I played RE7 and it cemented everything I ever believed virtual reality could be (even if ithe does have a long way to go).

It is being pushed heavily by sone, even if they aren't marketing it that way.

Don't believe the nay sayers, this is a great product, with plenty of backing, plenty of games and a lot of potential to match.

Peace out

Z5012649d ago

Was there an article like this for Kinect 2.0?

S2Killinit2649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

I think 65+ games within months is pretty committed.

Loving RE7, looking forward to FarPoint and Ace Combat 7

Mikerob20072649d ago

I had great confidence in 3D tv's . But how are they doing nowadays ?

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yeahright22651d ago

From where I sit, I think what's happening is they blew their wad on the launch line up and are now playing catch up both on software development and hardware manufacturing.

kenwonobi2650d ago

No more or less than a console has say like Wii U or a Switch.

ji32002649d ago

PSVR is sold out everywhere in united states so how can people buy it?? Even Japan people have to line up in front of store to buy it and even South korea and china.

Mikerob20072649d ago

Launch line up ? . U mean 5 min tech demos

PapaBop2651d ago

I think they'll be fine for now, with units slowly trickling back into retail, they'll be able to ramp up their VR stuff again. Most importantly for me will be E3, I hope Sony give VR a proper segment and not relegate it to a 3-5 min clip.

isarai2651d ago

I don't think we have to worry about that, unlike Move gamers and devs alike have a persistent interest in VR. Hell there's a new game every week so far, that's more than the move had. Just gotta wait for them large scale games to happen and things will start to pickk up

kenwonobi2650d ago

I think a more proper comparison is like a handheld. PSVR gaming is more akin to a new form of playing like say a phone or handheld console is like Nintendo DS

ApocalypseShadow2650d ago

Decent article that I can agree with.I will say this though...

Sony spent more than enough time nurturing the concept of VR. Not just to gamers. They went to developers first. Most developers are old enough to remember early VR. And the majority wanted it and are now in an era where the technology can come together to make it happen and be affordable.

It works. Calling it a gimmick doesn't change the end result. It works. Developers know this, journalists know this and the majority of gamers using VR across mobile, console and PC know it works. Some can't use it. But then, some can't even play videogames because of epilepsy or disability.

Some have played opinion articles without facts starting is Sony in trouble. Is VR in trouble. When you can clearly tell Sony was supply constrained. Even apologized for it
http://www.thewolfhall.com/...
But that didn't stop the fake news and fake concern to garner hits and clicks.

PSVR launched with success. It uses move controllers that were thought to be abandoned. They work. They launched with 50 titles for the holiday season. Most of us have more than 5 games for it. RE7 just launched and used the headset reasonably well. Moto racer 4 also released on the store. More headsets are filtering out to retail outlets and online.

PSVR has a long way to go but don't call its demise in its first 3 months and think that that's acceptable. Because nothing is pointing to that. If in a year it doesn't hold on to its positive uptick of sales and games like ace combat 7,GT sport, golem, megaton rainfall, pychonauts, and unannounced games we don't even know about, then let's come back and call it into question.

But if you're watching the industry, everything from education, real estate, sports, entertainment etc are announcing their support. Well beyond something like 3D movies that were limited in scope.3D is cool. But VR goes way past is potential. But the road shaded is long. But it's going to be fun. Just like from pong to PS4. Enjoy the ride because it will get better and better.

freshslicepizza2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

who exactly are youi trying to convince with your long essays? i dont understand why you go to such lengths to defend things. if you are happy with the product then be happy and stop concerning yourself with what the media things. its like some game with you, the more they try to undersell it the more you feel to oversell it.

not once have i ever seen a peripheral cost more than the system and not get aaa support for it from the plaform holder. sony is being way too cautious for me to think they are fully commited. not one aaa game has full vr support from them and one of the main games that was marketed for psvr they closed the studio down.

sure we have vr in gran turismo and games like batman and tomb raider but look at how limited it is. sony allowed naughty dog to sell 3d for uncharted, they allowed david cage and the developer for little big planet to use playstation move. they allowed a big budget game called lair to use the unque controller features on the ps3. but where is the commitment from sony for psvr? oh yeah, a few tracks in gt sport. how kind of them.

ApocalypseShadow2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

What's funny is that you come into console threads claiming you're a "PC gamer" bothering gamers because you have no one to talk to in PC threads. If you're not interested in VR, or even PSVR, why are you in the threads with your negativity? If it bothers you so much, why are you here? I could understand if you have something relevant to say, but you never do. And your comments reflect that. Your disagrees reflect that.

VR is new. The price reflects that. If it's not something you are going to get, then don't get it. That's your choice. But I really don't care what you choose. Logitech and Thrust master steering wheels cost more than the car games and the PlayStation/Xbox systems. But gamers buy them? Why? To become more immersed in the experience of driving over a controller. Some want VR to be more immersed in the game or experience. But common sense will tell you that. And games like GT or Forza are triple AAA games they are made for. So, you're wrong again.

How do you know Sony is not committed? They spent 2 years talking to developers, journalists and gamers about it before launching it. Since it's new and only 3 months, you can't say they aren't. You can pull out products they backed away from. But that's ignoring the successful things they backed. Gamers say PS move failed. But I don't know any other add on controller that is supported by over 300 games. And move is being used with VR. Proving its 1 to 1, and proving it's not abandoned.

But again, as a "PC gamer," why are you here? Shouldn't you be in PC VR threads which is also awesome VR. How does other's enjoyment of PSVR effect you "PC gamer? "

thorstein2650d ago

"Not get AAA support"

Nice try troll.

kenwonobi2650d ago

Well it does work. Look at its success. It's so popular that phones are making it a major focus of their products. VR is starting to be literally everywhere. The first time recently I experienced it was on my sisters brand new phone. Granted it was lower tech than PSVR but it was still wildly fun and engaging. Off a phone no less with lower specs.

DigitalRaptor2649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

@ Apocalypse Shadow

He calls out your passionate, well-informed, well-written comment as an essay, but replies with equally long, adenda-driven inconsequential drivel. You can just ignore that hypocrite if you like.

FYI, so you know who you're dealing with:

He once came into a PS4 article and attacked me for praising it, as though I'd attacked Xbox. He once tried to convince people that Sony was downsizing its first-party development, but when Xbox closed 8 first-party studios and projects in March of last year he was completely silent. He tried to concern troll on PS4 Pro by saying it wasn't gaining enough support at launch, when it had just as many launch games and content as the original PS4 did. He was a part of the opportunistic bandwagon of hating on Sony for not being more open to allowing mods and felating Microsoft for being more open, and since then nobody is talking about said mods, and there has been something like 2 third-party games that have mods and no news on any more. Good job on that.... http://replygif.net/i/166.g...

He's here to actively downplay any positivity towards something that Sony fans are invested in, throw fake concern around, but claims to hate the console wars he contributes toward.
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@ moldybread

I guess you're too quick to fly off the mark to consider RIGS: Mechanized Combat League such a kind of game. I'm sure you weren't thinking this when something like Titanfall came out and was considered a AAA game, but double standards come naturally to you.

If you don't consider RIGS a form of commitment to PSVR, then:
How does Sony asking a third-party developer like Factor 5 to add Sixaxis controller functionality to their game show commitment when the controller comes bundled with the console and is no extra commitment to the person buying the console or game? How does Sony opening up their PlayStation Move development to a third-party developer like Quantic Dream to make a Move version of their game show commitment exactly?

What TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE examples. Please try harder. Your concern trolling is embarrassing.

rainslacker2649d ago

How limiting is VR in GT? I'm keen to hear your experience with it.

Why not mention how RIGS is a fully realized MOBA. How UD:ROB is completely engrossing and tons of fun. How the recent RE7 is a completely different and terrifying experience in VR? Why not talk about how Dreams could be a completely different experience with VR? What about the nerd experience in Star Trek Bridge Crew offering a viewpoint that was never really available before.

As far as the big commitment....I'd say GT is pretty big. RIGS, UD:ROB. How about an entire studio opened to create VR games? OR Dreams giving Media Molecule the go ahead to use it. How about the 10 or so first party launch games they released with the system. Who's to say that some upcoming games won't? I'll use the slogan so familiar by Xbox fans....."wait for E3". PSVR released 3 months ago. 60 games later, and people act like it's doomed. Not even waiting until the next big event after release(outside PSX where they did show it off a lot), before they start acting like Sony is completely silent.

Mikerob20072649d ago

32x was a peripheral that costed way more than the mega drive / genesis

Dragonscale2649d ago

@moldy, just like all the articles every 5 mins saying psvr is a flop, even though its just released with 60+ titles and is sold out everywhere pretty much.

Tedious isn't it.

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freshslicepizza2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

@Apocalypse Shadow
"What's funny is that you come into console threads claiming you're a "PC gamer" bothering gamers because you have no one to talk to in PC threads. If you're not interested in VR, or even PSVR, why are you in the threads with your negativity? If it bothers you so much, why are you here? I could understand if you have something relevant to say, but you never do. And your comments reflect that. Your disagrees reflect that."

stop being a hyprocrite and off topic. you talk about microsoft on a daily basis even though you have no interest in their products and i am interested in vr.

"VR is new. The price reflects that. If it's not something you are going to get, then don't get it. That's your choice. But I really don't care what you choose. Logitech and Thrust master steering wheels cost more than the car games and the PlayStation/Xbox systems. But gamers buy them? Why? To become more immersed in the experience of driving over a controller. Some want VR to be more immersed in the game or experience. But common sense will tell you that. And games like GT or Forza are triple AAA games they are made for. So, you're wrong again. "

first off you can get a decent wheel for under $200 so stop trying to validate the expense of vr and unlike psvr the steering wheel supports aaa games, THE FULL GAME. that will be the day turn 10 or polyphony digital tell me i can only use the steering wheel on select tracks.

"How do you know Sony is not committed? They spent 2 years talking to developers, journalists and gamers about it before launching it. Since it's new and only 3 months, you can't say they aren't."

lets take a look at something like the nintendo switch. nintendo is fully committed, they have games like zelda that use the switch in portable mode or docked. they also use hd motion controls on games like ARMS. see the difference yet? they use their first party studios to embrace the hardware. sony calculates minimal resources thats why you have select tracks on gt sport.

"You can pull out products they backed away from. But that's ignoring the successful things they backed. Gamers say PS move failed. But I don't know any other add on controller that is supported by over 300 games. And move is being used with VR. Proving its 1 to 1, and proving it's not abandoned."

oh please, i have the playstation move right now, i know all too well what kind of support it got. the thing failed and that is why aaa game support like socom dried up rather quickly. sony never released actual hardare sales so that right there tells me it didnt do too hot. i liked it for what it was, fun in games like fight but again those are smaller funded games compared to where sony put their real resources. i also paid a heck of a lot less for it than psvr so i never expected much. besides, the move controller was usually just an option to use that or the controller. games that forced it like sports champions and tumble are SMALLER funded games. the difference with psvr is it impacts performance which is why driveclub had huge concessions put on it. this creates a problem in the aaa market as we can already see by the lack of support to fully embrace it. resident evil is one of the rare exceptions and that isn't even made by sony.

"But again, as a "PC gamer," why are you here? Shouldn't you be in PC VR threads which is also awesome VR. How does other's enjoyment of PSVR effect you "PC gamer? "

maybe you should lead by example the next time you talk about microsoft or the xbox or scorpio if the ps4 is so awesome and stop contradicting yourself.

ApocalypseShadow2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

So, as I've always said, you're an Xbox/Microsoft fan claiming he's a "PC gamer."a lot of gamers like yourself changed your toon as soon as Sony ran with the baton and made you look bad with their games, sales, and quality. It upsets you that everything they've done this gen has outmaneuvered Microsoft. So you want to strike back.I can tell every time you respond.

Their policies failed, the Xbox failed to catch PS4, the games aren't garnering the same attention, the almighty Kinect 2 is pretty much buried, and the features while great, just aren't things that gamers worldwide are that interested in. PS4 has no BC, and 54 million PlayStation owners aren't that concerned. Same with snap, same with HDMI pass through. Same with motion and voice activation.

Then Sony releases a VR headset. It works. And there is nothing on consoles that's equivalent., now, what is your response? Negativity. Why? Because again, Sony succeeded in doing something Microsoft isn't matching at the moment. So you hate on it and those that support it. It's okay. I have a mop for your tears. I've been mopping up after you for a awhile now. That why you follow me like a puppy. You can't get enough of my comments because it sticks in your craw that Sony is dominating this gen. And Microsoft hasn't dominated ANY generations. Nintendo has and Sony has. But the company you support, with all their billions, can't seem to win any after 15 years.

Did you respond to the article?Did you talk about Sony's support or how VR is growing daily from every industry? Or how Sony can continue to make PSVR successful and please gamers who are interested? Nope. Your response is only how I make you angry because your comments don't add to the conversation.

Keep crying. I'll just keep mopping.

Silly gameAr2650d ago

@Apocalypse Shadow.
I wouldn't waste my time mopping up after the guy. Just let him float away on his sea of tears.

kenwonobi2650d ago

It's pretty awesome. It's not like a wheel at all. It's more similar to having a handheld gaming device than a peripheral. It's another way to play games just as Switch or Nintendo DS would be.

IamTylerDurden12650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

Moldy

You sound foolish saying there is no AAA game you can FULLY play on PSVR considering RE7 just launched and ppl are LOVING it on PSVR. Also, Driveclub VR is a full AAA VR game from Sony. Tbh, Eve Valkyrie and Rigs are pretty AAA VR experiences as well. Then, we have Farpoint, Dirt Rally, Ace Combat 7, Golem, Starblood Arena, Get Even, Arizona Sunshine, GT Sport, Psychonauts, Fated, Syren, and other big PSVR games coming this year.

Perhaps if you educated yourself about PSVR and the games it will offer you'd have a clearer idea of what's really goin on. It also does appear that you spend virtually all of your energy on N4G bashing Sony and Sony related products and games. So to condemn someone else for being in an xbox article is beyond hypocritical.

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freshslicepizza2650d ago (Edited 2650d ago )

@Apocalypse Shadow
"Apocalypse Shadow4h ago(Edited 3h ago)
So, as I've always said, you're an Xbox/Microsoft fan claiming he's a "PC gamer."a lot of gamers like yourself changed your toon as soon as Sony ran with the baton and made you look bad with their games, sales, and quality. It upsets you that everything they've done this gen has outmaneuvered Microsoft. So you want to strike back.I can tell every time you respond.

Their policies failed, the Xbox failed to catch PS4, the games aren't garnering the same attention, the almighty Kinect 2 is pretty much buried, and the features while great, just aren't things that gamers worldwide are that interested in. PS4 has no BC, and 54 million PlayStation owners aren't that concerned. Same with snap, same with HDMI pass through. Same with motion and voice activation.

Then Sony releases a VR headset. It works. And there is nothing on consoles that's equivalent., now, what is your response? Negativity. Why? Because again, Sony succeeded in doing something Microsoft isn't matching at the moment. So you hate on it and those that support it. It's okay. I have a mop for your tears. I've been mopping up after you for a awhile now. That why you follow me like a puppy. You can't get enough of my comments because it sticks in your craw that Sony is dominating this gen. And Microsoft hasn't dominated ANY generations. Nintendo has and Sony has. But the company you support, with all their billions, can't seem to win any after 15 years.

Did you respond to the article?Did you talk about Sony's support or how VR is growing daily from every industry? Or how Sony can continue to make PSVR successful and please gamers who are interested? Nope. Your response is only how I make you angry because your comments don't add to the conversation.

Keep crying. I'll just keep mopping."

so instead of responding like an adult you continue down the path of a sony fanboy trying to get me to lower myself to your level by depicting me as a xbox fanboy, typical. everything i responded to you have no answer, which is why you think the only way out now is to go toe to toe with the xbox so that you can sidetrack and go off topic. this is what happens when you consume all of your energy into making the competition your arch nemesis. having reasonable and mature discussions go out the window because it's become personal with you and microsoft.

i guess the truth hurts when i suggested sony is not fully commited to psvr and last time i checked microsoft does have an answer to vr, its called windows and it supports oculus and htc. see, unlike sony who's only interest is to keep things behind a walled garden the pc actually has a thing your not too familiar with, CHOICES. you would also easily find out games like project cars have vr support and its not just a few tracks and its also A FREE UPGRADE!

FunAndGun2650d ago

"who exactly are youi trying to convince with your long essays?"

I didn't read any of it, I'm just sayin.

IamTylerDurden12649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

Microsoft's (Xbox) answer to PSVR is windows? So Xbox's answer to PSVR is to play Oculus/Vive on your PC? To play someone elses device on something other than xbox... That is HTC and Facebook's answer to PSVR, not the Xbox Division's.

So you are advocating P Cars on Oculus? I take it you are advocating for Oculus then? The least successful of the 3 major VR companies. I wonder why you denigrate Sony's VR specifically? Btw, Driveclub VR has more than a few tracks, Trackmania Turbo is a free update on PSVR with 40 tracks, GT Sport will not cost extra for VR, and Dirt Rally is on the way and should be thrilling.

ApocalypseShadow2649d ago

You noticed that too I am Tyler?

Microsoft's response is someone else's devices. Even the headsets made by computer and PC manufacturers are not by Microsoft.

PSVR has no console equivalent so he pulls out PC to help defend Microsoft on Xbox when we are talking about the console industry.

Each comment brought forth just digs him deeper.

freshslicepizza2649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

what, you guys have a problem with choices?

oculus rift

htc vive

hololens

microsoft vr for $300

and hey, maybe even the psvr if sony allows it.

plus the pc will get other vr and ar options down the road. but hey, you guys keep arguing over the xbox and continuing in your playstation bubble.

@IamTylerDurden1
"Btw, Driveclub VR has more than a few tracks,"

still not as big as the original game, comes at a cost and has less cars on screen and other limitations because it needs to accomodate the original ps4.

"Trackmania Turbo is a free update on PSVR with 40 tracks,"

and the pc

"GT Sport will not cost extra for VR"

limited tracks and probably limited cars

"and Dirt Rally is on the way and should be thrilling."

already on the pc. and i imagine project scorpio will support vr and likely more than just one headset.

so show me again this huge commitment from sony?

rainslacker2649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

Moldy

I think their problem is you're questioning Sony's commitment to VR, yet MS has no commitment, because they are simply enabling 3rd party VR options on their system

But where is MS big AAA game support? Where is their touting VR as the next big thing? I mean, up until the end of the summer, the almighty Phil stated that MS didn't even believe in VR.

MS VR support is just to counter Sony's. MS doesn't give a crap about VR, because they have no business related venture that involves VR. They will make no money off hardware, and as far as I can tell, will make no money off software....well except for those licensing fees for all their hard work of making a console. They had a working demo of Minecraft for Halolens, yet can't even be bothered to announce a VR game?

MS offering is weak, because they aren't offering anything other than changing a console paradigm which restricts third party hardware. Not that I don't like they are removing that aspect of cosoles to allow it, but MS isn't in the VR game. They just hope to distract people and convince people to buy an Xbox because they happen to offer up some choice, with no advantage other than what 3rd party will bring for it.

Call me when MS decides to actually enter the VR market, because right now, they aren't even working to make VR that big a thing on PC. Who cares what OS you play on. MS is nothing in VR right now. Literally nothing in the VR gaming space.

Dragonscale2649d ago (Edited 2649d ago )

@moldy, ms doesn't have THEIR OWN answer to psvr. They currently have and have never announced any vr solutions for their own hardware. Using pc vr options to defend ms lack of vr support is completely irrelevant tbh. So Sony releasing psvr on PS4 shows they are not fully commited.MS is about as commited to vr as they are to exclusive games tbh.

You're really reaching there lol.

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thorstein2650d ago

A thoughtful post. Please remember, don't feed the trolls. They are easily starved.

xDealtwithIt2650d ago

So funny to see you switched your defense from "manufacturing problems" to "supply constrained".

Let me ask you Shadow, did those supply constraints force Sony to not also supply compelling, worth while titles for their VR peripheral?

Was not being able to meet the supply demand force sony to shut down one of the only first party developer that had a compelling game for VR?

VR is a gimmick, sad but true.

kenwonobi2650d ago

Like Resident Evil 7? Lmao.

xDealtwithIt2650d ago

Yea, Sony totally released RE7 for VR. Lmao. The go to one game for VR.

I'm so glad VR got at least that one game, that can be played on all systems, without VR, cant wait for Ace Combat, oh snap, that's right, not Sony and on all systems too.

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Aenea2649d ago

And here's another Xbox fan jumping on the anti-PSVR wagon!

Go worry about the amount of games MS is making for their console....

xDealtwithIt2649d ago

@thorestein

"You see, there were manufacturing problems that were widely reported."

Aaaaaw, of course there was. It was so widely reported that not one major gaming site had an article about it. So widely reported that Kaz said they purposely didn't ship enough because they were afraid it wouldn't sell.

"being sold out in the USA, UK and Japan and elsewhere"

Really? I live in the UK and in my local shop they have them for sale. Maybe I live in a special part of the UK that magically has them in stock.

"You are a very, very bitter, angry person. Seek help."

Says the guy with nothing to say but insults. The irony of it all.

@garfield

"Go worry about the amount of games MS is making for their console.."

Why when we have you sony fanboys that worry about all that for us.

Lol, seriously, is that all you guys can comeback with. Where's all the lists of great VR games and comments of cant wait to see what is coming from naughty dog and the next big jap vr game that will be here in 2018?

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