HDR offers up some product suggestions that will help make PS3 stand out against its price-conscious competitors.
Factiod for you......IT CANT.
I was under the impression the PS3 has been outselling the cheaper 360 for a while now.
The price cut wont save x360 ps3 will still outsell it by that margin in WW sales
...Well, it's been slaughtering the 360...so um...instant fail. :)
Bundle #1: 160GB PS3 w/Bat Logo, DualShock 3, Dark Knight Movie Blu-ray, Batman Begins Blu-ray, LEGO Batman Game $499 is still a little pricey but it would be a good bundle...they should do these bundles with the 80 GB PS3.
$499 is just too expensive. If Sony wants to compete they atleast need a $299 sku. Otherwise it will be all about the Xbox 360 and Wii in the U.S. this Christmas.
Hahaha did you just say $499 is too expensive for what the PS3 is offering? Would you suggest Sony give them out for free?
Xbox Pro console - 299 + $129 for wireless adapter + $65 for Online + $15 for charging kit for controllers ( or equivalent for batteries) = $500+ With the playstation, you also get a blue ray player
lol That is the straw graspingest, lamest acts of fanboyism that I have ever seen in my whole life. It costs $199+tax to play 360 games, it costs $399+tax to play ps3 games. I don't use wireless, is Sony going to mail me a check for $100, and I don't have an hdtv, are they going to mail me $200 for the blu-ray player that I don't need?
@1.3: If I want to come home and play Gears of War 2 this holiday all I need is the $199 system. You don't need a Wireless or XBL or a charge cable (system comes with a free set of batteries). PS: I don't know where you are from but in the US XBL is not $65.
499 is not expensive for what you get but casual gamers are 70% more than hardcore and 499 is expensive. You can buy 360 on 199 and play pretty much same game where you pay 499 for ps3 to play. I know some ps3 exclusives are very attractive coming this x-mas but more than 70% gamers don't even buy 10 games for entire generation of console. And I am sure there are more than 10 very good titles are available on 360. I know sony's hardware is unmatched but its 499 compare to 199. even 399 compare to 199 is too much. If sony didn't have blu-ray and all extra accessories that comes with it, then they could drop it to 199 easily too. Yes some gamers are getting benefit out of all these but not everyone does. There is no way you can appeal to mass market with such a price tag when your direct competitor has option starts with 199.
"Franklinstein: $499 is just too expensive. If Sony wants to compete they at least need a $299 sku. Otherwise it will be all about the Xbox 360 and Wii in the U.S. this Christmas." i agree with your opinion. at last i read something with logic and it has 5 disagrees and 0 agrees... wow. people should take this a little bit more seriously at least here on the gamer zone. this site it's all or nothing, it's practically impossible to be unbiased without getting like a thousand disagree if you say anything against their console of choice. an X360 at $200 it's a serious threat to sony. people that just want a console to play games are going to buy an X360 just because of the price. heck at that price i am considering in getting one but i already have a PS3 that it is almost the same as an X360. they got the same multi-plat and sony has the exclusives that i want anyway.
No it isn't. He's right, the PS3 out of the box is ready for anything. It is indeed worth every penny, I haven't bought anything but games for the PS3 since a year ago, haven't needed to buy any peripherals or subscriptions because everything's packed in there, including a free online service which is more than capable of its purpose. My 360? Wireless adapter £60, Play and Charge Kit for controllers to stop conking out £20, that's £80 for something the PS3 already shoves in for free. Without mentioning Blu-Ray drive, easy hard drive upgrades and PSN. Everything the PS3 and Sony offer is there as soon as you plug in the console and attach to the internet with no hidden costs or sneaky extra fees. No catches. EDIT: Oh, you disagree? Want to see my receipts?
@ Franklienstein If you think $499 is too expensive for the PS3 go back and look at June's NPD numbers. The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 that month 2:1 with Metal Gear Solid 4 bundles selling at $499 and with the help of a big game like MGS4 and the Xbox 360's lowest price point was $279 back then. It's obvious that if the PS3 is bundled with highly anticipated game or if a highly anticipated exclusive game hits the PS3, it will sell very well regardless of price of the $499 price.
"MAR-TYR-DOM: PS3 is already cheaper than the xbox Xbox Pro console - 299 + $129 for wireless adapter + $65 for Online + $15 for charging kit for controllers ( or equivalent for batteries) = $500+ With the playstation, you also get a blue ray player." i just buy an arcade for $200 with a couple of games and that's it. what more do i need? it already comes with components and all i need to simply play games for less than half of those $500.
I'm not paying $399 for a ps3, it's not worth it to me. I don't have an hdtv or wireless internet, and I would be stupid to give that much for one. I might get one when it gets to $199-$149, or when I think the ps3 has enough good games to warrant throwing away money on hardware that I neither want or need.
[warning] Shameless self-promo here [/warning] http://www.escapistmagazine... I didn't want to submit this to N4G, but it's basically what I wrote about the PS3's pricepoint about a week ago. Some of you have prolly read this already, and I apologize if you did. I just think it's a relevant point. The jist: The "PS3 'CORE' Package" Price: $299 Included in Package: - Standard AV cable (these people don't even own an HD TV anyway!) - 20 GB hard drive (let them complain about the HDD size after they buy the system; and release a Sony-branded 120GB for $60; people can already add 250GB drives for $100 if they do it themselves) - One (1) Sixaxis controller (make them pay for their own Dualshock 3s)
Correction in order for xbox to compete it needs a console at 299 price range. Bare in mind sony still has ps2..... serves them well for the casual and cheapo market...... Think outside of the box.
if it doesn't sell, they'll most likely jack the price down to $299/£149/€299 Sony'll be losing more but if they don't lose even more than that!!
Notice how only people who have PS3s (or both consoles) actually understand the value of a PS3.
I see what you mean there. Its the fact that Sony isn't doing any real advertising or promotion this generation or telling people what the system does in features and stands in longterm value. People just think that the PS3 is an overpriced 360; I can certainly tell you it isn't. What you get with the PS3 is the whole PS3 experience out of the box, as I said above you don't just buy a machine, you buy a whole service and entertainment unit for the next supposedly 10 years, no worries about the future or cost, because that's done, its just games and Blu-Rays if you desire from that point. All the cash going on the PS3 has been done in one lump sum. That's it, welcome to the PS3 experience. Don't look back, the money spendature is over. Sony ain't getting any more cash out of you for any experience except for games or DLC that you want. Maybe Sony should release a SKU without the WLAN built in so people can just use it as a home console without all that extra cost, but that's not the point really is it? They can't cut out the Blu-Ray either because that's the format the games are on. So that would be stupid. Sony is encouraging people to interact for free. So if the WLAN wasn't in, nor would PSN and you really wouldn't be getting a PS3 as to say, would you? Just advertise in user friendly family gurning adverts like Nintendo. Simple as.
the core pack does come with a dualshock 3. sony doesnt even make sixaxis anymore
Well said Cajun Chicken The only thing you have to buy after buying a PS3 is Games (or some new controllers, but that's for any home console)
Nope, Sony's gonna Mail u a LIFE... HATER On Topic: 160GB bundle has my attention (non PS3 owner)
FIGHT FIGHT, THE BLACK AND WHITE....IF THE BLACK DONT WIN WE ALL JUMP IN!!! anybody remember that lol?
Well... therein lies the difference. If I didn't have a 46" HDTV and a 5.1 surround system... I'd would get the 360 like you. The ps3 features would seem extraneous. But since I do have a AV setup and I welcome less wires (the whole reason I use HDMI vs. component... and am smacking myself for not waiting for Wireless HDMI) and I want HD content, the PS3 makes absolute sense. From that perspective the 360 is just strictly a toy/gamesystem. PS3 A RELIABLE Gamesystem A Bluray player A DVR system A Media Center True HD Audio Output/Adlib receiver Xbox 360 A gamesystem
Yeah, but the price will be a huge problem this Christmas season. I want my PS3 back, so much that I need to buy my kids something. Now, well, there's something they might like. 2x$199 makes 400 and both of my boys would be satisfied. I won't even buy Live (if they want to do online, play the PS3), and they won't need a HD. So, this will be an argument. Seriously. I would really prefer to get them another PS3, and we can all do online, even in the house. But a little bit support price wise would sure be appreciated.
Dude you sir are stupid. The Batman bundle is completely worth the $499 Tag Price. for A 160 GB Drive, Batman Blu-Ray movie, DualShock 3, batman logo, Batman Begins Blu-Ray movie, and the Lego Batman Game. that total is So DAMN FCKING WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!! you dont need a HDTV to enjoy a Blu-ra movie, You DON'T I REPEAT DON'T need to buy another blu-ray movie player because the ps3 is already a Blu-Ray player. And i still enjoy my movies on my ps3 even though i don't have a HDTV.
@1.3 (martyrdom) Where the hell did you get those prices from?
so what Cheaper is not alway better look at the wii plus all the game i want 2 play is on the ps3 the only game i want 2 play on the 360 is gears 2 but after that there nothing else i care about on the 360
Atleast you have one. I still don't think the PS3 has enough good games for me to come off with $399. "so what Cheaper is not alway better" Please tell me that you aren't one of those people who defend PSN over Live because it's free.
PSN is better than Live. Servers. I would pay for servers, but Sony gives me them for free, while Live charges me to host my own games.
No, it's not.
@2.2: PSN is not all dedicated servers just like XBL is not all P2P. They use a combination of both. I disagree however and prefer XBL over what I've seen and used of PSN. Just in content alone XBL is so much more.
I agree, but keep in mind that the 360 has been out a year more than the ps3. This is vital time that both the ps3 and PSN needs to get up to speed with what consumers are expecting nowdays from online gaming and social networking. @VF34EJ25 And by 2009 I hope that both Sony and Microsoft has beaten each other so much that we can have it all for free. *yoink*
Ah yes the age old arguement of Live vs PSN again. The Dead horse is beatened up so tender he's ready to cook. PSN free. Live, subscription. You like PSN? Keep it. It's free. You like Live? Then pay for it if you want it. Some people like a hot sexy chick with boobs and a nice rear, but have to pay to play for both and really don't mind paying. Others like the rear of the chick and can do without the boobs and take it for free. Choice. Opinion. Options. Preference. Welcome to 2008 folks.
PSN is better for me because it does what I want and nothing more, plays most the games also on 360 perfectly, is free and keeps on improving in time, shockingly; despite being free. As I've said, I've already paid my lifes subscription of PSN buying the PS3 alone and at that, I got it cheap compared to XBL because of all the other cool tricks the PS3 hides within.
Hard Drive Battery Chargers XBOX Live OK lets say you buy the $200 SKU. Ok 200 bucks, then add a "20GB" Hard Drive for 100 DOLLARS!!!!!! Because you are going to want to save your games right? Then buy the controller charger for 30-40 bucks, because you want to have a controller that works right? Then add in XBOX Live for 50 bucks a year, because after you finish the story, you want to show everybody your skills, right? Ok so.......200+100+30+50= $380. 20 dollars less than a PS3 with an extra 60 gigs in hard drive space, and Blu-Ray. Yea you don't need wi-fi and Blu-Ray, but for an extra 20 bucks.............what the hell, I'll get the PS3. Think about that, you [email protected]#k suckers.
Both the LBP and Batman bundles would sell really well during xmas. I would be surprised if Sony didn't have a bundle during the holidays that didn't include LBP.
I bet that Sony is thinking that thier holiday line up coupled with Home will sell thier system regardless of retail prices. I don't see that happening but there is a slight chance that LPB will blow both the wii and the 360 out of the water this holiday, but that chance is not to depend on imo.
i think that chance depends on how well Sony advert LBP. I'm telling you if they don't come at casual people correctly with their advertising, its not going to sell as well as it should. One thing I have to say is that in the U.S Microsoft knows how to advert their best selling games.
Yeah I totally agree... they seem convinced that people will pay up even though their competition offers nearly the same quality lineup at nearly half the (perceived) price.
What I'm thinking. I really, REALLY like the PS3, but I am not a potential buyer right now. I already have it. I hope Sony competitively price though. Competition is always good for consumer. ~I am a gamer...who likes competition~
"nearly half the (perceived) price." Nice! finally someone that knows not to only see in black and white =) @LikAChicken Very true, competition gives us better games and better prices as customers. If Microsoft or Sony owned it all we would get like 2 games a year and thats on a "good" year.
You know I would actually consider putting up my launch model 60GB with backwards compatibility and using that money to get that Dark Knight bundle lol. Just to have the sexy looking fiery bat signal on my console.
In my honest opinion, the PS3 stands out by itself. It doesn't really need help to be sold, unless people have absolutely no clue about what it's capable of. Of course after they find out every single thing it can do (which takes a while to explain), they usually end up getting one.
you speak the truth
"unless people have absolutely no clue about what it's capable of. " Herein lies the problem. I very much agree with that statement. But, it's too often people say things about the PS3, yet don't know a single thing about it. Same goes for the 360. There's people like Skadoosh who claims to have a PS3, yet has no clue what the RGB setting is. Common sense tells us he just doesn't have one. But what about the prospective buyers? I'd bet a lot that they don't know that the PS3 is compatible with the PSP, easily upgrade HDD, built-in Wifi, free online service, etc. But who's to blame? I blame Sony. They're just not putting that stuff out in the open field enough. They need to come up with tons of ads and make some deals with retailers to advertise that stuff. That's the kind of stuff that get people interested. And it's their fault that the consumers generally don't know squat about the PS3, and thus will buy the friendlier straight foward options which is a 360 or Wii. The PS3 to me, is suffering from the same things as the PSP. Does helluva lot of things, but nobody knows about it. Shame Sony, you guys make very technology driven products. But have the worst marketing team in history.
They don't know that; but interestingly enough my local ASDA supermarket (I'm from UK) had a little booklet about games with a two page spread showing what the PS3 could do, I was quite suprised as it was the first time I've seen the PS3 being marketed in that way in any retail shop. It also had LBP on the back cover, it was really quite amazing and I'm sure would show people the value of a PS3 over anything else this christmas.
just keep making games like MGS4..LBP....SOCOOM....RFOM2.. ..KZ2...and the countless...exclusives that will make the PS3 the console of choice.... Think about Sony really do not need to cut their price yet its still to early.... The death blow will be when there is a price cut next Holiday season(2009)...when you have GOW III....Uncharted II.....R&CTOD II....Heavy Rain and the many others exclusives Sony has puckered up their collective ass...
$30 or $40 for a movie is too much money. It won't entice people to buy the PS3.
One bundle that would get the family consumers going would be: 80 gb ps3 bundle with 4-6 selective blueray dvds for 449$. They could call it "The Cinema at home bundle" perfect for family fun at home.
too expensive for you... but it did entice many just like me to buy cuz blu-ray is that much better than dvd Btw get your facts straight blu-ray is dropping in price and its about 5 dollars more expensive than new releases on dvd..... that 5 dollars is well worth it.
I have not yet paid more than $25 for any Blu-Ray disc. Even Iron Man is available for pre-order at $24 on amazon.
somehow i have a sneeking suspicion that you could hunt for cheaper live subscription prices, wireless adapter and hdd for the 360 if you tried. funny that. From now on we should call you mr rrp (when talking about sony products;)
for me....that is the only blu-ray media I have in my possession... its easier and cheaper to download movie in HD and transfer it to my PS3...160GB HDD.... I like I have the option to purchase blu-rays if I choose to...and the price of blu-ray are falling....this holiday season blu-ray will be priced about the same as DVD's
Make good games, support good features, and you will end up selling more than the 360 in North America, as you already have. Forget about the Wii, because the Wii just won this gen.
Agreed on the first point, but tentatively disagreed on the second. We need to wait another year to be sure if the Wii will truly succeed. And please don't flame me. All I am saying is that we don't yet have enough data to draw that conclusion. We won't know until next year if 3rd Party titles will truly succeed as one would expect them to on a "winning platform". (the true measure will be "The Conduit" and "Mad World", IMO) All I ask is that we be more patient.
it can buy offering more for your money, instead of nickeln and dimen you to DEATH!
Nickel and Diming you? The PS3 is the most cost efficient system on the market. All of it's bells and whistles are given to you for a much lower price then what they are worth. Even the PS3 systems gimped of BC are still worth well over 700 dollars. Sony tries their best to give the consumer the best deal possibe and they still think they are trying to cheat them! Jebus Christ!
LOL i bought two $499 ps3's. one in november 2007 and one in march 2008. glad i didnt pay $599 but $499 felt right the first time during the price drop and i knew it was worth the money the second time.. with that said bundles are a good way, they could have sold more last year but spider man 3 sucked and people knew that. if they could have put spiderman 3 the movie and the game on a blu ray that would have really took off.. all the blu ray haters are going to be mad come january 2009 when the sales numbers are in after transformer, iron man and dark knight sales are in for 2008. that site is all about movies mainly so i can see why they would say movie bundles, a retail bundle may be better. something like bundled with marvel ultimate alliance 2 with choice of any marvel blu ray movie. people like choice. _____________________________ __________________________ but how sony could have and needs to stick to the competition is its already cheap prices.. thats right cheap sony prices.. warhawk, gt5 prologue, socom, etc are all titles that sold/selling for $40 from time of release. thats $20 cheaper than third party and first party titles from the competition. add that those titles are also available via Download a discount for a purchase like that would boost playstation store sales as well if purchased from online retailer or online store.
Wow, apparently bundles are the way to win. Not a price drop. Because a price drop wouldn't keep things the same.
The strange thing is that if you do the math Microsoft would have to sell two Arcade 360's to make as much money as Sony when they sell one PS3. But this doesn't hold up imo when it comes to market share profit and live memberships... The real question is what is the most profitable. Having as many consoles as possible out in consumers laps, there by expanding your market share overall or making as much profit as possible from the retail price?
The Bundles #1 and #2 would definantly be the most effective. I have Uncharted and it's a great game and all, but I think that Sony should have went with Resistance 2 to include in the 160GB bundles this November.
I personally suggest ANOTHER possible bundle. The 'Ratchet and Clank bundle'. Yes, that's right. I'm talking a bundle with a copy of R&C:ToD and a PSN token to download R&C:Q4B for free. Is that so crazy? Buy LBP with that and kids'll be amused for hours, let alone parents. Tell you whats crazier...how about two cut-out Ratchet and Clank masks on the back of the PS3's packaging like whats done with cereal packets? Other effects that could happen after that? Sony could release a R&C anthology box set for PS2 afterwards so people will buy that and will no doubt shift PS2's to those who still haven't got one and so...EVERYONE will know what a great platform series Ratchet and Clank is in under a year.
Transformers just came out on Blu-Ray and its selling like hotcakes. Maybe the 80 gig model so its a little cheaper, with Transformers on Blu-Ray and Transformers the game.
That movie alone is epic. Dark Knight>>>>>> >>>>>>>&g t;>>>Everything else. If that movie is packed with the best console out there, well you can do the math.
Of course it can, aside if you can bundle with 3rd party games you can bundle with everything, doesn't matter if it is a different studio