Scorpio Graphics Boost Will Be Smaller At First, 6TFLOPS Will Allow For High FPS In 4K, Says Tarsier

While there is quite a bit of excitement surrounding the Xbox Scorpio, both among developers and users, there are some people who have rightfully pointed out there are going to be some drawbacks, at least when the console launches.

[corroios]

High frame rate, 4k, and 6,teraflops is not possible at best 4k30 but 60 frames nope or maybe with every setting low. They would need a lot more power except for tetris game

[Lennoxb63]

I think you forget that they said the GPU alone is 6TFs. The console as a whole will be more than that.

[Princess_Pilfer]

I think you forget that as far as graphical performance that really doesn't matter, ultimately no amount of bandwitdh or CPU power can make a difference to a GPU that simply isn't fast enough to process the data quickly enough to maintain 60 FPS at 4k. All it's doing is not getting in the way of the GPU and ensuring it works as well as it can.

[SCW1982]

I think you don't know how a console works.

[Princess_Pilfer]

@SCW1982

I don't think you know how a computer works. There are CPU bound processes and GPU bound processes. Naturally many processes can be done on either, but the specific reason we have dedicated chipsets is because they're better at their specific job.

No amount of CPU power will help the speed of a GPU bound process or the associated FPS, and rendering things at 4k is a *very* GPU bound process. The Best the CPU can do in those situations is not get in the way.

[Obscure_Observer]

@corroios

Prepare yourself for Forza Motorsport 7. ;)

[Errorist76]

You mean that Forza that doesn't even have dynamic lighting since ages?!

[Movefasta1993]

Errorist name me one next gen racer that has dynamic lighting at a locked 60 and 1080p on console
Lol at the dislikes,truth hurts right? Man up and answer Error.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Errorist76

Yeah... you mean the same dynamic lighting that Kazunori Yamauchi used on GT5 and GT6 and now is dropping for the PS4/PRO´s GT Sport, Right?

[bluefox755]

Yes, any PC gamer knows this. 6 tflops is enough for lower demanding games at 4k/30fps, but certainly not for modern games, and not at 60fps, not without dialing the graphics way back.

[Altovoltage]

Are you a developer? Because from what I know consoles can be optimized way better than a PC if they both have the same specs. So that means 6 teraflops are not the same as 6 teraflops on a computer.

[Errorist76]

That is undoubtedly true.

[FlyingFoxy]

Yea but there isn't a huge difference with what you're saying there, consoles CAN be optimised better, but they only squeeze a bit more than a PC can. Go look up Digital Foundry when they built a PS4 beating PC. Basically the regular PS4 uses a lower end mid range GPU, you only buy a model slightly more expensive for your PC and it will beat it.

Been the same with Nvidia vs AMD, the 980Ti was more powerful than the Fury X.

980Ti stock 5.63 Tflops, Fury X 8.60 Tflops, and the 980Ti was still noticeably faster. Tflops don't tell the full story.

[Angeljuice]

But console optimisation doesn't double the output (it adds more like 10-20%).
6.6 - 7.2 Tflops PC equivalent still isn't enough.

[defiance187]

Why does no one seem to understand that when they say 4k they are talking about the exact same settings as the regular xbox just with a rez boost. Its not inconcivable they could hit 4k 60 fps when you look at it like that. They are not talking PC ultra more like PC medium which is what consoles generally run at with an extra bell and whistle here and there. I can run Gears 4 PC at 4k mostly 30 fps on a gtx 970 and i5 3770k so on a closed platform I dont think 60 at medium settings is out of the question.

[its_JEFF]

This is how I'm looking at it as well, when they say 4K @60fps. It seems like this round of consoles, PS4 Pro & Scorpio, as focusing on IQ with all this 4K talk. The Last of Us is 4K60, but it looks like a ps3 game with very good IQ.

[andrewsquall]

It will most certainly be possible on a lot of Xbone games though. How hard would it really be to get already meh looking games like Forza 6 or Recore run at 4K resolution and 60/unlocked fps with 6tflops?

Good luck getting a game that even comes a tiny bit close to Horizon Zero Dawn, Detroit Become Human or The Last of Us 2 on Scorpio at even only 1080p though. Hell good luck getting games that come close to Infamous Second Son, The Order 1886 or Ratchet and Clank 2016 at 1080p.

[conanlifts]

I partly agree. But console vs pc is never as straight forward. Consoles are known for far greater efficiency than pc gpus so for example a 6.5tflop pc gpu will not compete with a 6tflop console gpu.

[Babadook7]

PS4 Pro can handle 1800p @ 60 fps for games like titanfall 2 (with checkerboarding).

Scorpio could likely run the same game 1800p @ 60 fps as well but without needing checker boarding. Or if they do use checker boarding like the Pro does, your looking at 4k @ 60. Obviously that is not native either though. And that's the type of difference we have seen between PS4 and Xbox One (1080p vs 900p) but this time the shoe is on the other foot. I personally think you can't lose either way as there is a large wait for the better hardware and possibly a steeper price.

[blackblades]

My thing is that everyone trying to keep the scorpio relevant with no new news. Keep rehashing the same talk because they announced it early. Also anything can change between now and then I rather just wait until they're 100% sure close to the release date.

[Errorist76]

It's the only thing they can do for the next year. X1 sales will drop heavily month by month and there won't be any competition for the Pro for almost a year.

[lastking95]

Still comparing pc to console. They never learn.

Garfield is one of those people. Countless proof yet still never learn

[starrman1985]

This is the most accurate response I have read.

[Davidgr2]

NBA 2K17 and FIFA 2017 run native 4k 60 fps on PS4 Pro. Though I hope they focus on 60fps then worry about resolution. I'd take 1080p or 1440p at locked 60 ultra over 4k 30 fps

[Liqu1d]

According to a particular group of people they don't count because they're sports games.

[MrCrimson]

i disagree, a 980 has only 5 teraflops. that card can run 4k 60 frames.

[Errorist76]

Indies maybe or old games.

[starrman1985]

For people comparing these stats to PC, you do realise that the Xbox One and PS4 (@1.3 and 1.8 respectively) can nearly, not quite, deliver the same performance as my 4tf GTX 970. Consoles DO NOT work in exactly the same way as a PC and their power can be utilised differently.

I agree, it's unlikely we will see games running @Ultra/60FPS/4K but I think people will be surprised by the performance of it. I think we will more likely see 1080 figures than 1070 (which I agree is STILL not really a full 4K card). I'm expecting med/high settings at around 30fps, some 60s as developers start to utilise the hardware better.

[ProjectVulcan]

Not even PS4 can get close to a GTX970, don't be silly. I was looking at Battlefield 1 benchmarks just the other day.

PS4 doesn't even hit 1920 x 1080. It has a dynamic framebuffer and is usually below that. It also can't sustain 60FPS despite the resolution lowering itself, much of the time it's hovering around 50FPS average and as low as 30FPS minimum in rough spots. The game's setting are equivalent to about medium/high on average compared to the PC version. Some low, some ultra, much in between.

Once glance at a stock non OC GTX970 benched with a decent CPU and it can manage an average framerate of mid 50s, minimum mid 40s on ALL ultra settings, at a constant 2560 x 1440.

So we have a much more stable framerate, every setting is higher, and DOUBLE the resolution of PS4 at any given moment. I wouldn't call that nearly or even close to be honest. Something like 2-3x the performance. And it is.

Same story on pretty much any other cross format game. Gears 4 is pretty much the tour de force of Xbox One technically- 1920 x 1080 (it drops a little), 30FPS campaign. GTX970 can easily do 2560 x 1400 (nearly double res), better settings, and 40FPS+

[SlightlyRetarted]

Why no one talks about quality of graphics, but just resolution and frame rate. Sure maybe it can run 4K/60fps, but sure as hell not on Ultra settings.

[FlyingFoxy]

Anything at 980Ti level or above struggles with 4K. 4K is only good for playing older/less demanding titles right now if you want a solid 60fps.

GPU's to play games with little/no dips below 60fps are a bit off still. 1080p/1440p with 120/144hz are the sweet spot, the high hz makes a large difference to smoothness in any game that is moderately/faster paced.

[XanderZane]

Dave Mervik sounded confused and unsure. The hardware hasn't even been finalized yet. Pretty sure there will be games that are 4K at 30fps and 60fps. I doubt every game will be 4K though as Microsoft is not forcing developers to make every game native 4K. Developers may still make some games native 1080P or 1440P. It's their choice.

[Captain_Tom]

Wow the disagrees are hilarious!

My Fury X has 8.6 TF, and it can more or less do 40-60 FPS in 4K depending on the game. Yet you people think 6TF will do 60?!

12TF is what would be required for longterm 4K@60 gaming in a console, and this is likely what the PS5 will have in couple years.

[AuToFiRE]

The PS2 was capable of 1080i output, and they are still struggling to get 1080p out of a console now while advertising a blatantly false 4K@60FPS.

[kraenk12]

Attention Gamingbolt!

On topic! The Switch from a GTX970 with PS4Pro power to the GTX1060 with Scorpio power is what the difference will be. A few frames, a few more details but that's about it.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

I'll take it.

[Bruh]

The difference isn't meant to be staggering in fact both base machines will hold back the mid-gen upgrades. I'm sure you'll see games like BF, Rise, ME run at native 4K on the Scorpio considering they're running at a pretty high resolution on the Pro already

[Obscure_Observer]

@kraenk12

More like a GTX1070. And don´t forget its not just the gpu or the 6TF alone. That 320G bandwidth (That´s the same bandwidth as the GTX 1080 and problably GDDR5X as well) will play a HUGE factor when we´re talking about higher resolutions. Unlike the PS4Pro, the Scorpio will not be sporting the same memory and processor slightly up clocked. Scorpios processor could be ZEN.

What i´m saying is with all of this features could it be hard for one to mesure exactly what difference between the Scorpio and the PS4Pro will be. ;)

[Raiden]

@obscure observer
Well stated, to me its a wait and see what kind of mid-gen the xb Scorpio really is.

[Ashunderfire86]

I said the same thing, cause PC and consoles are optimized differently. PC has to deal with everything like the OS, internet browser, and other programs that could effect performance. Consoles don't have any of those programs in the way. I really do think they can achieve 4K60fps due to a new more powerful CPU and Ram, not just the 6 Teraflops. Remember PS4 Pro just overclock the same CPU instead of changing it. Most Xbox Scropio games will achieve at least 2k-3k gaming at 60fps, with some 4K60fps flag ship titles like Halo 6, and Gears 4(Scropio update). It will be the closes we will ever see a console get to the power of PC. I am all for this and can't wait! But don't forget....Remember thy all mighty Cloud Microsoft talk about for Crackdown 3 and others? That is still on the table.

[OpenGL]

It's not GDDR5X, the memory configuration on the board indicated it was likely 12GB of RAM meaning it's on something like a 384-bit memory interface. You can't really compare bandwidth directly between Polaris and Pascal as it's become pretty clear that Pascal has superior color compression so the bandwidth goes further.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

GPU is not everything lol. Scorpio still has +4gb more of RAM and it's 112gb/sec faster than Pro, plus the CPU will be more powerful!

[christocolus]

Exactly...

[zb1ftw777]

The difference is a whole PS4's worth of power.

That, is alot.

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

This is true lol. The downvotes only prove ignorance, they must not game on PC lol

[Yohshida]

Because a console only has a gpu, right?
CPU and RAM are what will show the true Power. Both will be way above the pro.

[strangerthings1995]

I have gtx 970 and the PRO.....the 970 blows the pro out of the water

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

That is because your CPU and System RAM is probably much better than the Pro's right? Probably because GPU is not everything like I have been trying to tell these gamers who play console strictly, but they won't listen... they just downvote and show ignorance lol

[XXanderXX]

Awesome, great bring it on

[christocolus]

Getting it day one. Can't wait for the reveal.

[XXanderXX]

Am trying to plan a day off for it ,but just wish they would state if it will happen at E3 2017 or an Xbox event held at Redmond. details I need .......lol

[PFFT]

Same here! Its a day one purchase! Cant wait for the reveal.

[classic19]

Games on Scorpio, will look freaking amazing. If that Horizon zero Dawn demo for PS4p is anything to go by, then I'd say games will look great out the box.. But to be fully use they would need to develop games specifically for Scorpio..

[Obscure_Observer]

Agreed. To properly use all that power, games (at least first party titles) should be developed for the Scorpio then ported to Xbox One. :)

[classic19]

That won't happen though. X1 games won't look right.. I'm curious to see what m.s will do with this.

[poppinslops]

I'm guessing 1st party titles will share the Win10 versions' textures and effects, as well as the various graphical options... same goes for the majority of 3rd party titles - excluding console-only games, such as Red Dead or Destiny 2, which will probably be upgraded versions of their 'vanilla' counterparts.

[Auron]

Man I hope they reveal it's features and all that at e3!!

[BizarroUltraman]

Hopefully before then..

[Miss_Weeboo]

4k 60 Fps, with 6 Tflops? No way...
Anybody?

[Pandamobile]

That all depends on the complexity of the graphics they're rendering.

[Miss_Weeboo]

Yeah, modern AAA games have very complex graphics

[VoodooProject]

Agree 4.2TF can't even do 4k native. Most games on the PS4pro is done in fake 4k.

[KillZallthebeast]

Like any console it takes devs years to actually do the hardware justice

[thestarboy]

So everybody is einstine today i only Care what MS Say they promise 4K 60 and that we gona get or else why announce it to the publice , i belive in Scorpio Will do 4K 60 in thire games

[BQ32]

The problem with that thinking is that companies especially Microsoft's xbox division market jargon, hype, and outright false information from time to time to suck consumers in. Just look at the original kinect reveals which were all just a setup. When the actual product came out it barely ever worked as intended and had significant lag making any kind of motion control painful and irritating. When the PS4 was revealed to be more powerful then then One they started marketing their "cloud power tech" literally implying it would increase performance 3fold which was complete hogwash. When Sony suprised them with a more powerful mid gen upgrade they tried to beat them to the punch by essentially announcing a concept design. They had nothing of substance to show and still dont. Until I see something substantive and something people have played and can critique I will be skeptical. You should never just take there word for it, even if you hope for the best.

[ShowanW]

@BQ32... enjoy that skepticism...

the Mattrick era and the Spencer era are NOT one in the same.
while I admit I would rather see some of the features from the Mattrick era, revisited, Spencer has done such an admirable job since his tenure as Xbox's Head Honcho...

I will take their word for it, because it doesn't cost me a dime if what they say and what they deliver don't match up. I just keep my money and move on...

I will also give Phil Spencer a benefit of a doubt based on his track record in the past 18mos or so alone.
And CEO Sataya Nadella's now full backing of Xbox sure helps a lot as well...

[Ashunderfire86]

ShowanW#

I agree with you! Yes the Mattrick era, and Spencer era is not the same. Spencer is a gamer at heart, and knows what needs to be done. Xbox Scropio with have most titles at 2K-3K 60fps gaming, with some flag ship titles at 4K60fps due to the more power 6 Teraflops, CPU, and Ram. Yes none of this is just some overclock CPU like PS4 Pro. Scorpio will outperform the Pro without question.

[Errorist76]

It's Einstein holy shoot!

[LamerTamer]

And I think there is WAY too much emphasis on 4k resolution. Honestly for the most common viewing distance and TV sizes 4K is not that big a deal. Yes the edges look crisper if you look close enough. To me that extra power would be more noticeable if used at 1080p with better graphics effects (lighting, shadows, draw distance, ambient occlusion, FOV etc), better more consistent frame rate and textures. Those things you can see across the room.

They also act like 99% of gamers are using a 4K TV which they aren't. Honestly the overhead of 4K is a waste of resources.

[Maxor]

I'm extremely skeptical of the "high FPS in 4K", 6 tflops means that sacrifices must be made. There's no doubt that heavy handed usage of dymanic resolution will be in effect.

[poppinslops]

XO games like the Witcher 3, The Division and Halo 5 - all of which feature dynamic-resolutions - will get a performance boost on Scorpio, regardless of CDPR/Ubisoft/343... That said, any improvements are unlikely to be as impressive as a dedicated 'remaster', so whilst Halo 5 won't simply upscale to native 4K, upcoming games like Halo 6 and Forza 7 WILL run at 4k/60fps - with textures and effects taken from the PC versions.

Bear in mind that Scorpio won't just be an XO with a bigger GPU - Microsoft have all but confirmed it will have more memory and a better CPU... and given Spencer's statements with regards to forward-compatibility and UWP, it stands to reason that any Scorpio games that use dynamic-scaling will be similarly enhanced on 'Project Aquarius'.

[Ashunderfire86]

Don't forget new Ram and CPU not the overclock from the Pro! New CPU and new Ram. It will outperform the Pro with most games running 2K-3K gaming at 60fps, with some games like Halo 6 running 4K60fps.

[Destiny1080]

I'm personally more then happy with 1080p so I'm in no rush for 4k but I do thing the scorpio will be a nice machine not a native 4k machine but with the help of checkerboarding it will achieve 4k,

[Hendog1981]

Halo 5 4k 60fps

[Edito]

@Corroios

Don't forget that console games are way more optimized than PC games they will be targeting a static and fixed system settings i think they can achieve that with a bit of effort.

[FyBy]

According what I saw in Tomb raider on ps4 pro (and to my greatest surprise), its greater pleasure to have higher frame on fhd than 30fps on 4k. If Scorpio can manage 60fps in 4k it will be good. Bud anyway 4k is not that great as is promoted. HDR is bigger difference.

[zerocarnage]

I won't even comment and pretend I know what the console can do as it's simple none of us do yet, all your comments are based off floating info and assumptions, wait till Microsoft release Scorpio and we see it for real. Making assumptions this early on only does one thing sends the complete wrong info and ideas circling around till it's complete unbelievable.

The thing I will say about Microsoft, when they have said they're going to do something, they have done it and done it pretty damn good. No developer can be perfect, not ms, sony or Nintendo they all have there fare share of mistakes down the line but they have all stuck in there and gave the fans what they needed.

[FGHFGHFGH]

Actually they did a bunch of 180's on things they said. What have they delivered on? Kinect? They were talking about cloud making the xbox more powerful, but now they are releasing another console.

[zerocarnage]

if that's all you got that's pitiful. They have delivered on many things and that fanboyism attitude is not needed here. Not only will Scorpio have VR but AR as well. Not to mention they delivered on backwards compatibility. They also deliver whenever they say they going to do something where updates for the Xbox one are concerned. They deliver just as much as Sony or nintendo and there has been tons more that could be named.

Someone like you only ever sees the bad in things and only appreciates what fanboys own and everything else is garbage to you. FANBOY's, scum of the gaming world, they ruin everything with there poisonous gassy talk.

Learn to appreciate every corner of gaming, and know that when each and every developer has done something to make gaming what it is today, where every developer does it own thing and recognise without each and every one of them making strides that the industry would be alot less advanced than what it is now. like I said none of the developers are perfect but they all keep researching and developing in bringing us the best of what they can offer and Microsoft along with Sony and Nintendo are doing wonders. Yet with comments like yours you think others with a brain who know all that will listen to you and actually take in the fact you just said Microsoft have done nothing in the industry, that's a joke in itself.

[Kaiou]

This will be the power house for multi-platform games.

[VoodooProject]

Can a 4.2TF console do 4k native? If so 6TF can do it. Unless 4.2TF is doing fake 4k (checkerboard rendering)

[Ashunderfire86]

Remember not just the GPU, but also the CPU and Ram you got to take into account. This is not overclock like the PS4 Pro it is new tech with 6 Teraflops. That 4K fake checkerboard rendering is used, cause the CPU is the bottleneck in the most demanding games. The CPU won't be the bottleneck for Xbox Scropio plus it could already achieve 60fps in most titles in 2k-3k gaming. The Flag ship titles like Halo 6 will get that native 4K target with 60fps. Microsoft is waiting a year to reduce the cost of the console price.

[Matology]

Ryzen CPU and Vega GPU. The Scorpio could very well be a super success, bring back some old games and add some more new ones. Keep Arron Greenberg away from social media and offer (possibly) have a trade in for Xbox One.

[OpenGL]

I wouldn't count on a Ryzen CPU given it's got a TDP of 85W. If they did that there's no way they're actually sticking to their plan of a single Xbox platform as the difference between Xbox One/S and Scorpio will be generational beyond just a resolution increase.

[Animal Mutha 76]

To run forza 6 on PC a same console settings needs a PC with superior spec to Xb1 right? A Scorpio with new cpu, 6tf gpu, no bulky os and huge memory bandwidth+other likely custom tweaks might surprise us all. MS have set their stall out here and they generally deliver what they promise so if it is this potent + does X1 and 360 BC then day one purchase right here.

[InTheZoneAC]

I have no plans on buying this or any xbox product, but the power this thing will have, same story with the Pro, why not emphasize 1080p 60FPS locked for EVERY game, and obviously all games will have HDR, enhanced AI, more objects on screen(more detailed terrain, characters, and whatever other objects are present).

This whole fascination with 4k is out of hand. Give us the absolute best possible experience with 1080p, something we've still yet to see. I understand that smaller games can do 4k just fine at 60fps, but for blockbuster titles they should maximize 1080p for now and worry about 4k next generation.

[iistuii]

Totally agree. I game on PC & there's no way id swap my 1440p monitor where i game at 60fps max settings for a 4k where id have to run medium settings at 30fps, not a chance.

[XXanderXX]

True 4k console w/ no tricks , sweet give me my unit now .

[XXanderXX]

4K

[GameHead85]

I got 2 words that best fit this article, "We'll See".

[Captain_Tom]

Let the sobering begin!

MS is already trying to temper expectations now that they remember the difference between Scorpio and Neo is smaller than the difference between the PS4 and X1.

[porter470]

I did read a while ago that MS first party games will be native 4k while 3rd parties will be true 4K, whatever that means.

[superchiller]

Yet another clickbait article from Rashid Sayed/Gamingbolt. Don't give them the clicks, maybe one day they'll go away. Rashid Sayed has already admitted that he hates Sony, he is using his spammy website to tear them down whenever he can.

[donman1]

I can only imagine the cost of such a console (got to be expensive). I cannot see Microsoft taking loose on this.

[sadsatan]

scorpio will run its games at native 4k, but they'll be limited to 30fps (unless its an indie game) imo. not interested

[fllysurfer]

Already making excuses a year before launch...dam thats serious anticipation!

[zerocarnage]

what people don't seem to realise when they are comparing PC to a console is PC has always been able to do more hands down. The fact pc requires more power to run the many various things you have to contend with where a PC is concerned when you have multiple programmes running,apps, games and so on. You can't really put them side by side when performance enters the conversation considering a PC can do alot more, consoles are made just to play games and while we're entering a time consoles are evolving we still can't have the many various things a PC can have going on at the same time in the background unless it's snapping like Xbox does and even still that's only just basically compared to pc.

When you really think about it a console made for Gaming with those specs which does not have to deal with all that a PC has to deal with or can deal with, will be able to achieve this given time and Microsoft certainly have the time and glad they didn't rush a new console out like Sony did.

[BenRC01]

Pure vapourware spewed out by a desperate Microsoft to counter ps pro. It doesnt exist. Theres no tereaflops or specs for something that isnt real. Whatever it turns out to be is anyones guess.

[Shineon]

ps3 ran gta V

[King_Lothric]

If Scorpio does not manage to show a huge, marked and outstanding difference against the PS4 Pro then they are in trouble (apart from not having exclusives).

A few framerate or little resolution bump will not do the trick because people will not see the difference and will not pay 500+ for a new console when there is one (a year from now, the PS4 Pro at 249) that can do the same.

[slavish0]

People say Scorpio can't do 4k60 are the same people that said ps4pro wouldn't do 4k. That list grows ever month

[ElementX]

I bet they'll announce that all Xbox One games will run better on Scorpio without patching or very little needed. I know a number of games use scaling resolution to maintain frame rate, those will probably run higher resolution automatically.

[Lynx0207]

Great. Now they need only games...

[strangerthings1995]

what good is the graphics when the content on the xbox is ass?

[InKnight7s]

Yea yea at first cloud power need more time then hardware lol.

[MatureGamer1000]

Most MS games are garbage this gen. Sunset overdrive is the best game on xbox lmao

[kenwonobi]

It will be a full year behind the PS4 Pro release. So you can imagine it will take almost 2 years to tell a difference if there is any. By then the generation is almost over. So it's pointless. Absolutely pointless because then we will be talking about the PS5 by that point. It will trounce the Scorpio.