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Processing Power Is Going To Be A Factor For Nintendo Switch Third Party Support- Michael Pachter

The Nintendo Switch seems to have a truly impressive lineup of third party developers and publishers, all of whom appear to be legitimately excited to support the system. However, the one fear that a lot of Nintendo fans may have is that the system does get a lot of support upfront, but that that support then dies later on, because supporting the Switch requires too much extra resources and development time, without necessarily getting the returns on that investment.

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Eonjay3110d ago

Hey Michael. Its been a while since you last set he internet ablaze. Welcome back. The Switch is more powerful than the Wii U. Thats for sure. And another thing: Being less powerful than the PS4 never stopped 3rd parties from making games on the Xbox One S. Didn't stop the PS2 when the GameCube and Xbox One were more powerful. Hell it didn't stop the Wii.

Microsoft's inferiority complex has rubbed off on everyone and now everyone is obsessed with power. I have seen more Switch/Scorpio articles focused on power than actual games.

You don't have to worry about 3rd party support for Switch. it will be there because Nintendo will engage developers.

superchiller3110d ago

"You don't have to worry about 3rd party support for Switch. it will be there because Nintendo will engage developers."

You have absolutely no facts to back up your statement. It's really just conjecture, not sure why you think the Switch will magically bring back 3rd party developers when the device clearly won't be heavily competing with the PS4 and XB1.

I do think that the Switch is a good move by Nintendo, but the jury is out on whether it will restore Nintendo's reputation in the gaming industry and community.

Eonjay3110d ago

Actually we already know Ubisoft is working with Nintendo. We also know that Bethesda and 2k are on board as well. Why would anyone believe that Nintendo isn't actively working for 3rd party support? Square Enix is said to be working on some titles as well. We will get the full scoop soon.

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XStation4pio_Pro3108d ago

Nintendo often loses 3rd party support because the systems are so much different to develop on with a smaller base. They are so low powered in comparison to the competition that it actually costs more to develop on Nintendo consoles or is not cost effective, in addition to ending up with a less quality result to a smaller base of users. It's not worth having to re-optimize and/or port and strip down an entire game engine that was built and spec'd to be at one level so that it can "make due" at a bare minimum on a Nintendo machine. Theres no money or glory in that. Bethesda has already voiced concerns about their software running on the Switch and it hasn't even launched yet.

ShottyatLaw3110d ago

Nice potshot at Scorpio, but I'm pretty sure people were talking about the lack of power and it's impact on 3rd party support for Nintendo since 2006.

Lack of power did stop 3rd party support on the Wii. It's popularity didn't translate to AAA parity like we saw in the PS2/GCN days. Sure "Let's Dance" titles and similar 3rd party games were there, but the 3rd party support was not even in the same category as 360/PS3. This was all due to the lack of power of the Wii.

Wii U suffered from a lack of relative power, poor sales, and poor development resources. Bad combination for 3rd party support. People are right to be concerned that a lack of power could, at least in part, hold back 3rd parties. Hopefully it's API allows for easy porting and developing, and it has enough juice to at least run scaled down versions of mainstream multiplats.

Eonjay3110d ago

"Nice potshot at Scorpio, but I'm pretty sure people were talking about the lack of power..."

Thats all people are talking about. Its Group thought and I wont participate. Lets talk about what games are gonna sell this thing. People are acting like it will have no 3rd party support even though we know that it already does.

You guys are all insane.

ShottyatLaw3109d ago

"... lack of power and it's impact on 3rd party support for Nintendo since 2006."

Finish the quote...the two go hand in hand. Games that will sell the Switch include the same AAA 3rd party releases that sell people on PS4s, X1s, and PCS. Nintendo games aren't enough for mainstream success IMO.

Final Fantasy XV and VII will sell this thing, especially in Japan. Can it run them? That is the valid question that follows.

deafdani3109d ago (Edited 3109d ago )

Having the most powerful console isn't important at all; having a console powerful enough to allow for third party development parity is definitely one of the most important things in the success of a console.

Xbox One S and PS2 are / were still on the same level as their counterparts in their respective console generations, meaning they could still get all the big AAA ports without much issue.

Your Wii example is way off-base. Wii didn't get any of the big AAA games that 360 and PS3 got. It didn't get Mass Effect, BioShock, Red Dead Redemption, Grand Theft Auto, etc, and many of the multiplatform games it got were either pretty casual party games (Just Dance, Rayman), or underperforming ports that weren't comparable to the HD releases (Call of Duty). So, it got a few notable exclusive games (Red Steel 2, Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, etc), a lot of superb Nintendo games, and a ungodly amount of third party shovelware crap games.

Both Wii and Wii U ultimately suffered of lack of important third party support because both consoles were heavily underpowered compared to the competition.

I don't know what Nintendo's plan with the Switch will ultimately be, but Pachter is right: if you want to have proper third party support, your console has to be up to par in power to allow it. It doesn't need to be the most powerful of the bunch, just powerful enough.

I think Nintendo's plans with the Switch may be different, and they're betting on a strong first party output by focusing all of their development efforts on the Switch alone instead of fracturing it on two platforms, and also getting the usual japanese third party support that their handheld consoles always get. If that's the case and it's priced right, it can and most probably will be successful even if it doesn't get much AAA third party support.

conanlifts3109d ago

Ubisoft, square Enix, ea etc all supported the wii u early on. The issue is they mostly did ports of old games. Bethesda is offering skyrim..but every xbox, ps4 and pc owner already has access to this old game. So a list of developers is great. But without a list of new and upcoming games, with ongoing support, its basically pointless.

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Pancit_Canton3110d ago

I think Sales is the number one factor for third party developers.

jonivtec3110d ago

Yep....more than power actually.

QSPR3109d ago

Wii says hi... remember Wii sell more units than 360 or PS3, how that ends??

Pancit_Canton3109d ago

It did pretty good. It sold over 100 million units and it was supported with a lot of 3rd party developers, including shovelware developers and popular ones like; SE, CAPCOM, KONAMI, and more.

Liqu1d3110d ago

Gee, thanks Captain Obvious.

Tussin1873109d ago

Well, it's really up to the customers. If they don't buy 3rd party games then there will be a problem. These companies won't waste their time and money if no one buys their games. Hopefully the power difference isn't too big and the Switch can get some quality ports. Otherwise, history is just going to repeat itself. I'm in no way bashing the system and I hope it turns out great as Nintendo likes to do things differently (and that's fine) but it usually comes at the price of power. Power is not everything but when your not even close to the competition then it becomes one. 3rd parties then have to make huge sacrifices just to get the game to run on the system if even at all. Hopefully, things will be a little different this time but I still have that uneasy feeling. Hopefully when they fully reveal this thing, they can change my mind. Come on Nintendo, please surprise us!!! You've had this same 3rd party issue since the N64. Time to wake up!!!

Btw, I know this is N4g and I'm not saying Nintendo has/had no 3rd party support but it's nowhere close to Sony or MS. That's what I'm trying to say. We've heard this song and dance before. 3rd parties praise the system at first and then after awhile the 3rd party support dries up. If I'm wrong in this assumption then please respond and maybe I can learn something that I didn't know before. January needs to hurry up because I'm tired of all this secrecy. Happy gaming and holidays people.

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Japan: Nintendo Switch 2 already outsold lifetime sales of Xbox Series X|S and PS5 Digital Edition

The Nintendo Switch 2 has proved to be a success the world over, however, one nation which is particularly keen on the Nintendo’s latest platform is naturally Japan. Recent sales data has shown that…

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Avfe6316h ago

Nintendo are #1 while PS and Xbox fight for 2nd

1Victor3h ago

@avfe/obscured
I see you spamming as usual

Operation12232h ago

N4G feels more like a Sony PR newsletter with a comment section. Sony fanboys have taken over this website.

CrashMania1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

@operation

Yet the biggest idiots on the site are the Xbox zealots, like the alt spamming articles daily with his endless accounts lol.

thorstein41m ago

@operation

We've always been here. Your complaint days back over a decade. There was no "taking over."

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NotoriousWhiz2h ago

Nintendo dominates the handheld/hybrid market and Playstation dominates the high end market. There is no fight for 2nd. Xbox is just stumbling around until they leave the console market entirely to merge with Windows.

Avfe632h ago

There’s only one market - console gaming. And Nintendo are dominating Xbox and PlayStation

derek2h ago(Edited 1h ago)

@Avfe63, how many ps5 are out there compared to switch 2s? Lol. Just go play your kiddy Nintendo games, you're not part of the conversation. You Nintendo fans are the worst, you want so bad to get into this console war stuff but all you have is vague grandiose claims of sales. Just stay out of it, enjoy your 1 millionth edition of Mario kart/galaxy/world, Pokémon and donkey kong on you last last gen "new" hardware. Lol

Avfe631h ago(Edited 1h ago)

How many PS4 or 5 are out there compared to Switch 1?

Switch 2 just released, but it already shattered all records PS set (which was PS4. Not 5)

“enjoy your 1 millionth edition of Mario kart/galaxy/world”

Ironic for a fanbase who buys TLOU and Horizon remasters constantly 😂

CrashMania1h ago

Ignore the alt, he's just holding up a Nintendo shield to deflect from 2 disastrous gens in a row for Xbox.

CrimsonWing691h ago

The real question is will Swotch 2 outdo the lifetime sales. I’m not so sure about that and the third-party game sales appear to be abysmal. That’s not a fantastic sign of things to come. Time will tell though.

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shadowT11h ago

biggest console launch ever!

CrashMania7h ago

yeah nothing is gonna dethrone nintendo in japan, especially if there's a handheld involved.

Avfe635h ago

nothing is gonna dethrone Nintendo in any country

gold_drake4h ago

not surprised, the switch is relatively cheap in japan.

Avfe634h ago

It also broke the previous records set by PS4 in the west

So it’s not just Japan. Its global.

GamingSinceForever3h ago

A lot of that has to do with availability of consoles. You couldn’t find a launch PS4 after the first 3 days for a while. PS5 even more so.

I’m not saying this to take anything away from Nintendo, I’m only saying they came with more consoles to start. If there were 1.5M PS4s in North America at launch they likely would have all been sold immediately. So the launch record is a bit skewed there.

gold_drake3h ago

the article talks about Japan not global.

u may be right but still ha.

DivineHand1253h ago

I guess the resistance against always online and digital only consoles is BS. The people have voted with their wallets.

NotoriousWhiz2h ago

What are you talking about? Switch 2 is neither always online nor digital only.

DivineHand1251h ago

Nintendo can literally block your Switch 2 console from accessing their online services at any time. When that happens, it becomes a brick. You won't even be able to play those games that use game key cards that are not installed on the console. Some users who have been blocked tried factory resetting their system, and when they tried to boot it up with a new account, they are stuck.

Speaking of game key cards, the majority of third party publishers have opted to use those instead of loading their full game on those cartridges. Imagine having a library of game key card games and going on a long trip but not being able to play a particular game because you need to connect to Nintendo servers to download the game first. It is not like the old days where you just plug in and play.

Game key cards make sense for large games like GTA, Red Dead, or COD, but I don't see why publishers who have games with sizes less than 32 GB need to use that option.

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The director of the original Silent Hill: “I look forward to seeing bold interpretations.”

Keiichiro Toyama—the creator and original director of the 1999 Silent Hill—shared his personal thoughts on the recently announced remake by Konami, reflecting on what the project means to him after more than two decades:
“I felt something similar when the game was adapted into a movie. It deeply moved me to see the names of the characters and locations I had created come to life visually, even though I wasn’t directly involved. That wouldn’t have been possible without the continued support of the fans and the dedication of the developers who’ve kept the series alive.
I’m really looking forward to seeing how the remake evolves this time. With the advanced technology we now have, I’m sure I’ll be surprised by how the game is reimagined. Since the original was built for the first PlayStation, there will naturally be challenges—like the camera and controls—but I’m eager to see bold and creative solutions to those elements.”

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senorfartcushion1d 3h ago

Haha Not only is bold and creatively not what the industry wants, it’s not what most people want.

They want to get scammed and pay twice for a thing they already own.

jznrpg1h ago

I’m sure many would want bold and creative done well, but that’s easier said than done. I like variety so give me a little bit of everything, done well of course.

Nightcrawler891d 2h ago

Hope they use his vision in the game

Inverno1d 2h ago

Was the SH2 remake even bold? Or was it more or less just a 1 to 1 over the shoulder remake?

Scissorman10h ago

it was not. it greatly expanded the areas and puzzles to the point where it felt like an entirely new game. the enemies and boss fights were given a MASSIVE upgrade. the abstract daddy fight in particular was incredible. and the team added two new endings.

Pedrof1d 1h ago

I wouldn't hold my breath on "bold".

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AMD CEO Shares Vision Behind Xbox Partnership and Next-Gen Chip Roadmap

AMD CEO Lisa Su talks about the Xbox AMD partnership, next-gen Ryzen + Radeon chips, and AI rendering tech coming to all Xbox devices.

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Obscure_Observer2d ago

AMD is really building hype around their unique partnership with Microsoft to help and build an advanced and seamless Xbox ecosystem across all Xbox consoles and devices.

I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimized chips" though? Seems ambitious.

Next year´s Xbox Showcase already looks promising and exciting. Here´s hoping they deliver.

InUrFoxHole1d 18h ago

They had best show 3yrs in a row. Heading for another

VenomUK1d 11h ago

Obscure_Observer said “I wonder what she meant by "full roadmap of gaming optimised chips" though? Seems ambitious.” To me, I interpret this to mean rather than having a couple of X/S products for launch and a handheld there is a longer term plan to release new products with higher specs at timed intervals. I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec.

Agent751d 1h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 6h ago

It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever.

Ganif1d 4h ago

Correct.

"Sony's PlayStation 6 reportedly will feature an AMD semi-custom APU with a Zen 5 CPU and UDNA GPU, capable of 4K 120FPS and 8K 60FPS gaming. The console will include X3D cache and advanced AI upscaling technology."

https://www.tweaktown.com/n...

Obscure_Observer1d 1h ago

"It's X3D chips for console. Everyone knows this. And it's been rumored in the PS6 forever."

I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released.

Notellin1d ago

You should have just lead this comment with the fact that you have zero understanding of technology in the consoles and instead have a Toms Hardware online forum level of education.

Agent751d 1h ago

But Microsoft forgot the games

Obscure_Observer1d 1h ago

@VenomUK

"I’m speculating of course, but this could mean a spec bump every year or two, so that even if the PS6 or Steam Deck Home is released a year after ‘Xbox’ Microsoft can release an updated model that has a higher spec."

Very interesting theory. Still not sure how MS would actually make it work.

KwietStorm_BLM21h ago

"I doubt that AMD´s CEO would waste her time making this huge and important partnership announcement over a tech that will be 7 years old by the those next gen consoles will be released."

How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is.

Obscure_Observer1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

"How old is the tech in consoles? It's not a huge announcement. It's marketing and you know it is."

Dude, what I know for certain is that a tech as old as X3D chips which is actually *older* than both PS5 and Xbox Series consoles, is hardly the reason behind this new partnership between AMD and MS to build new *custom silicon* for next generation of consoles.

And yes it´s a huge announcement since AMD is working closely with MS to co-develop custom SoC which will allow backwards compatibility across all MS´s next gen devices allowing seamless integration between devices and full backwards compatibility across all generations of Xbox consoles.

I also know is that this announcement don´t have anything to do with Playstation and their strategy with AMD for the PS6, so stop comparing the two pretending that you know what´s going on, because you clearly don´t.

If Sony is working on something remotely similar, that´s remain to be seen.

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Fishy Fingers1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

Some odd, deliberate wording, no branding, not 'Xbox consoles, Xbox handhelds' specifically, feels and sounds like they're building towards hardware that anyone can be used or licensed to/by themselves and other manufacturers.

Multiplatform software and hardware 'Xbox/AMD APU'.

Obscure_Observer1d 23h ago

I guess you missed Sarah Bond´s next generation Xbox announcement this week, were she clearly states:

"I´m thrilled to share that we´ve established a strategic multi-year partnership with AMD to co-engineer silicon across a portfolio of devices, including, *our* next generation *Xbox consoles*."

But hey, I don´t think you´re entirely wrong, maybe MS will build their own Xbox consoles while licencing other manufactures to build and sell their own Xbox branded consoles. Who knows

BeHunted1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think you watched the wrong video. It's below the description, or you can watch it directly on YouTube.

https://youtu.be/kprpRvsOua...

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HyperMoused1d 23h ago

Shares vision....we provide chips for money, this deal will sell many chips, we will make lots of money...good vision

Christopher1d 22h ago

The marketing behind this is so heavy that I worry about the actual outcome. Why are they just not showing us the product, why all this talking in market speak?

Lightning771d 18h ago

Probably because the next xbox isn't ready to release yet?

The marketing and rumors seem to be heavy out of no where. The rumor was a 27 release but it maybe it could be 26 new console launch instead.

Who knows.

Eonjay1d 6h ago

There PR is alrways super heavy handed. No one is acutally buying an Xbox as is.
Also it is very early to be talking so much about a next gen console.

Obscure_Observer1d 1h ago

There´s a lot of people interested on Xbox Next and its ability to run games from major stores like Steam.

We know that the PS6 is just around the corner as well, but so far, no news on what it might improve over the PS5 or PS5 Pro.

However, Sony already made public that their priority and actual focus is the PS6. So its not "very early" to talk about next gen when the very console manufactures are talking about it.

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