Do Scorpio and PS4 Pro Signify A Future In Which Consoles Start To Rival PC Gaming?

This week, the guys discuss the news from wccftech.com where, in discussions with ARK: Survival Evolved's Lead Designer (and co-founder of Studio Wildcard) Jeremy Stieglitz, he revealed that he equates the power of the PS4 Pro at around the same level as a $900 PC...

[UltraNova]

I dont want to start a PC vs Console war here but look at Uncharted 4 then look at the best PC has to offer and tell me consoles do not already challenge PC!

[freshslicepizza]

does the ps4 pro allow you to play the single player at 60fps? if it was on the pc it most certainly would be an option.

[JackBNimble]

You mean if you have the right hardware it would be an option . Just because you can game on pc doesn't mean shit without the right hardware ,cpu gpu ram psu . I thought you knew this stuff moldy.

[freshslicepizza]

@JackBNimble
"You mean if you have the right hardware it would be an option"

so you admit the lack of flexibility prevents consoles to truly rival pc's. that was the point.

[BizarroUltraman]

Actually some Pro games do...you either pick better resolution or better framerates.

[JackBNimble]

Like I said Moldy, if you have the hardware.
I also game on pc, that doesn't mean I have the option to run games in 4k at 60 fps.
The term pc gaming is so vague and general you could be talking about anything. Only serious enthusiast with high end custom rigs could make any claims.
I would argue that this generation of consoles do rival most of the generic pc's that can play games.

[riibhu]

and if uncharted were on PC you wouldn't say that.
take GTA V as example it was console exlusive at first and later released on PC.Now compare GTA V on consoles and PC you'll see which version is better.

[freshslicepizza]

exactly.

[UltraNova]

Well thats exactly the point, you actually missed, Uncharted is not on PC.

[pyroxxx]

which one is better though? It is also an old game, by the time it released on pc, most people who got it on ps3/360 already forgot about it.

[freshslicepizza]

@pyroxxx
"which one is better though? It is also an old game, by the time it released on pc, most people who got it on ps3/360 already forgot about it."

so the last pf us on the ps4 sold poorly? i dont think so. and gta 5 sold quite well on the pc.

@UltraNova

then sony can keep the stance their games are not possible on any other platform even though if uncharted 4 was on pc it would not be locked like it is on the console. yes the ps4 pro offers better performance but even that has its limits, all consoles will including scorpio. for $400 it offers great value but to me the pc will always be the best platform because of its flexibility but it wont be getting uncharted 4 so there is always a trade off.

[riibhu]

@UltraNova

Of course it isn't that's why I wrote IF.

[maybelovehate]

30fps..... Lol. Come on man.

[Tech5]

"Do Scorpio and PS4 Pro Signify A Future In Which Consoles Start To Rival PC Gaming?"

PC is much more than just a gaming machine. it makes games, plays them, mods them and much more on top of this. so no PC still has limitless capabilities which are locked on other platforms.

[--bienio--]

Yeah right!! Haha nice one try again... ps4 /Xbox never gonna challenge Pc impossible. One example.. Star Citizen and Now you can cry B@@tich

[KingAlistair]

At 1080p,30 fps?To rival the pc,give me a 1000-1200$ console with a oc i7,gtx 1080 and 32 gb ram.Uncharted 4 just looks better than the average console game,so worse than hundreds of modern pc games.

[pyroxxx]

not really.

[porter470]

A 1080p 30 single player and 900p 60 in multiplayer isn't a good argument tbh, consoles are more like pc's this gen then ever before true, but they seem to only have taken away the bad points from pc gaming and none of the good points. I take it you don't game on pc? as you wouldnt say what you did bc it sounds quiet ridiculous.

[agent4532]

No the PS4 Pro and Xbox One failed to run Kerbal Space program at the level of the PC (visually, performance, and gameplay wise). A 2014 game unable to run properly on console much less 4K resolution. On PC Kerbal Space Program runs native at 4K resolution and performs better on PC. Desert Online and Planet Coaster are amazing visual games with more content than any console game out there. Divinity Original sin on consoles lack the thorough, expansive map editor......

[rainslacker]

One thing about the premiere console games, particularly from 1st party, is they're designed to really show off what a system can do. PC just doesn't have as many of these kinds of games which spend as much time to really focus on squeezing out every little bit of power out of a system...which is impossible on a PC due to the variances. When you look at UC4, it's more than just the great graphics, it's the attention to details, like the time spent just making the mud react realistically with the jeep driving in it.

It's not to say there aren't some stunning PC games, but it's much rarer to see these kinds of attentions to the smallest things in PC gaming.

[Hoffmann]

I believe that video game console manufacturers see the PC as a rival platform since Multiplatform games are a thing.

Today more than ever. Not alone because graphcs but also because the cost difference is not as big anymore.

The initial costs for a great gaming PC are maybe as high as 2-3 consoles together, but you save money if you won't upgrade it for a couple of years, just like you don't buy new consoles every year usually.

No additional costs to play online, and usually you can buy almost every game a lot cheaper. That's why I switched to Playstation only to PC + PS4 a while ago.

I play only exclusives and fighting games on PS4 now and try to get the rest on PC. Was surprised to see the relative big graphical differences between Borderlands in the Handsome Collection on PS4 in comparison to the PC version of BL2 on high settings from 2012. I mean damn..even complete effects like the flooded toilets and acid effects are missing in the console versions.

[dragonaught007]

Its a matter where devs concentrate more take for example metro last light on ps4 runs at 1080p 60fps thats very demanding game while on pc version you need a pretty ok gpu to get it that high and gta 5 its more than capable at running at 60fps at very least on ps4 and it doesnt because devs decided to concentrate on foliage and graphical fidelity thats one game that can run almost any pc set up.

[corroios]

Sorry, but im not putting the Scorpio and the Pro on the same bag. Nope. The Pro is an upgrade and the Scorpio is a next gen machine of microsoft.

Scorpio is brand new machine in every aspect. There isnt any connection with the Xbox One. Every single component of the machine is new. The Pro is just a upgrade and is easy to see that on the parts of the machine and the price.

Consoles will never have the same raw power of a PC, because of the price diference. Just a monster GPU can cost 3x times the price of the PRO and some have SLI!!!

There is any kind of competition and we dont even know what is like the specs of a average PC....

[Nyxus]

But I believe Microsoft said the Scorpio won't have any exclusives that aren't on Xbox One, so can it really be considered a successor?

[corroios]

There arent exclusives anymore because of Window 10 and not because of the Scorpio.

[JackBNimble]

Corroios
Are you just playing dumb or did you truely not understand what Nyxus said.

[kraenk12]

You really do believe that though?!

[Lennoxb63]

"Scorpio is brand new machine in every aspect. There isnt any connection with the Xbox One."

Except that it runs every game that the X1 runs.

What makes you think that MS of all companies can't afford a more powerful console than Sony and still call it an upgrade? They have the money and resources to drop a new console every 2 years if they felt like it.
Phil Spencer even confirmed it in an interview with IGN Australia. He said the Scorpio is an Xbox One and is apart of the Xbox One family.

[corroios]

A new console is always a upgrade. But the Scorpio is 4k native machine and next gen machine of Microsoft that will come out on late 2017, almost 2018.

The next jump is 4k, its the next gen. There is no PR talk that can hide this. This is a new jump on tech.

Microsoft doesnt want to tell that the Scorpio is the Xbox two or another name, because of the sales of Xbox One.

Yes, They can launch another console in next year, after the Scorpio, but that will be a upgrade, because it will be 4k but with higher settings, AA and so on. Not a next gen machine. That Will be a 8k machine.

Gen's:
xbox SD
Xbox 360 HD
Xbox One FHD
Xbox Scorpio 4k
Xbox .... 8k

[extermin8or]

He can say what he wants. If the GPU is new, the ram type and configuration is new, the cpu is new, the hdd is new etc then it's clearly and xbox one in name only. Makes me think of that only fools and horses scene where trigger goes "I've had 7 new broom heads and 6 new shafts since I started Road sweeping" and Boyce replies: "..... Well it's not the same bloody broom then is it??!!" If all the components are new architecture /models then clearly it's not the American thing.

[kraenk12]

It will never ever be called XBox One something...it's part of the XBox family, not One..you'll see.

[BizarroUltraman]

Ok whatever you say...

[Aenea]

"... the Scorpio is 4k native machine ...."

Uh huh, it's as much a native 4k machine as the Pro is. It will not run every game, not even new ones, in 4k, it will be able to run games in a slightly higher resolution than the PS4 Pro and it might have a few more that are native 4k (at least MS said their first party titles will) but that's it.

When the real next gen comes out, then most games will be able to target 4k, at least let's hope they can, you never know, hehe :)

Besides, MS themselves said that it will be part of the Xbox One family so they see it as the same thing the Pro is.

Also, people think the Tflops difference is so massive, but forget that in order to push 4k it needs to push 4 times more pixels than on HDTV's, this is why it makes sense to look at the power difference percentage wise, then you can understand how much better one can look over the other, and let's face it, that percentage is about the same difference as now between the X1 and PS4, so visually, the same type of improvements can be expected between the Pro and Scorpio. And I doubt you are willing to say that the standard PS4 creates way better visuals than an X1 ;)

[Stapleface]

Running on the same API..check...runs the same games..check..yup same console, just upgraded hardware.

[corroios]

Same API? are you crazy. Everything is new? Run the same games, check? Sure, the Xbox One is also a upgrade of the 360, because it also plays the same games... Please...

Every new console is upgrade, but the Scorpio is the start of a new gen (4k).

[Stapleface]

It will run using the same systems (OS, API) that the Xb1 uses. The hardware will just change. Not hard to understand. Unless you have info saying otherwise that no one else has seen, it will be an Xb1 with better hardware.

[Puertorock77]

You are incorrect in saying Scorpio isn't in any connection with Xbox One. In fact it's tied to Xbox one. You will not be seeing any exclusive games (aside from maybe VR) on Scorpio. You won't even see improved framerates for multiplayer. If the multiplayer on XB1 is 30 frames, then the Scorpio version is 30 frames. One ecosystem from software to peripherals (minus VR).

Pro and Scorpio one current gen refreshed consoles. Nothing more.

[corroios]

Really you believe that a game that runs a 30 frames on the one must run only at 30 frames on the scorpio on the multiplayer. You must be joking.

Lol. Im going to shut up, because this getting crazy.

[Puertorock77]

@corroios It's not what I believe it's what Microsoft has already stated. If a games multiplayer is 30 frames on XB1 then it's 30 frames on Scorpio. Scorpio is not a next gen system. it is an XB1 one family of consoles. Nothing more. What plays on XB1 will play on Scorpio and what plays on Scorpio will play on XB1 (minus VR).

[Malice-Flare]

it will. unless Quantum Computing suddenly becomes viable for PC...

[Epicor]

And even still it would imo.

"Do Scorpio and PS4 Pro Signify A Future In Which Consoles Start To Rival PC Gaming?"
WHAT? It's not all about latest tech and graphical fidelity. Consoles have rivaled and even trumped PC gaming forever for MANY PEOPLE. Personally I switched my main focus to console gaming already during NES era and only played PC occasionally after that. If someone thinks consoles are not competing with PCs in gaming then they are delusional. They all have the same broad customer segment: people who game!

[FallenAngel1984]

No because PCs will always grow at a faster rate in terms of tech

[FlyingFoxy]

Right, and the developers who said it equals a $900 PC were wrong, the PS4 Pro uses an under clocked RX 470. So you can build a more powerful one for that money, with 16GB of physical RAM to boot. Sure PS4 Pro is great value for a console for the level of performance, but if you spend a bit more above $900, like maybe 200-300 or so more, you get a LOT more performance for that extra cash. You need to aim for that sweet spot when buying PC stuff.

My 5820k, 32GB DDR4 & 980Ti are already above Scorpio specs and i built this rig in mid 2015.

Sure it's not exactly cheap but then it can do a ton more than a console, plus the bonus of cheaper games and no subscription costs.

[TheBurger29]

Plus with pascal refresh and volta coming out soon, high end rigs will be much cheaper.

[extermin8or]

If the high end rigs get cheaper more powerful consoles get cheaper too....

[kraenk12]

They aren't wrong at all...it all comes down to optimisations in the hardware rather than pure power. The PS4s architecture is much more efficient. That's why we have games like Drive Club, The Order 1886 or Uncharted 4 which can't be rivalled by PC atm...or Gears 4 and Forza Horizon 3 don't look much better on PC. You can't directly compare the specs, never could...I'm a PC gamer btw.

[rainslacker]

Doesn't matter so long as the software is made to the lowest common denominator like it has been for decades now. Improvements to the software are nowhere near in line with the hardware.

[dragonaught007]

This what needs to be clear, pc may have the access to latest hardware and always ahead of the curve in that department but its all a matter how much devs advance in gameplay and animations and yes these days its very on pair on all fronts only difference now is that pc has advantage of resolution and frame rates at times but overall this isnt a mobile version vs a console version no these games are now very on pair sometimes consoles can get upper hand in the animation department even if its not running at highest resolution.

[showtimefolks]

yes ps5 and xbox 2 will be like medium to high end PC's

10-12TF
16 plus GB ram
1-2TB hard drive
etc,,,

[kraenk12]

To my understanding it's more like PC gaming more and more rivals console gaming. It gets mire accessible, Steam just got native DS4 support and so on.

[KillZallthebeast]

Lol no pcs have no limits at all if you want to spend enough consoles habe always been mid range. Nintendo only shoots for low to super low nokia phones

[KingAlistair]

Rival in what regard???Power,customization,u pgrades,library,no limits,mods,performance???Just sad seeing articles about this.Will a fiat be faster than a Ferrari,or a turtle faster than a horse???No.Just because a developer,who cant optimize a game for 2 years and produces an average game says something stupid,dont give him any attention.A 900$ includes easily a gtx 1070 and a i7,incredibly faster than what a console can offer now.

[Hurfs]

na I recon you can take $200.00 off that price and still have a PC that will match! sorry out perform a PS4 Pro

CPU mainboard and RAM AMD 8350 FX 4.0Ghz 8GB DDR3 1600mhz Mem Gigabyte 78LMT
£246.00
AvP Venom ATX PC Gaming Tower
£33.00
SSHD Seagate Laptop SSHD 1TB 8GB NAND
£65.00
Drevo SSD 240GB X1 2.5-Inch SATA III
£56.00
PowerColor Radeon RX 470 Red Devil 4GB GDDR5
£175.00
EVGA 500 500W Gaming PC PSU Power Supply
£40.00
windows 10 OEM
£30.00
Gaming mouse
£20.00
keyboard
£10.00

Used all AMD Parts as its easier to match to PS4 pro. No screen included as you can just use a TV just like a PS4 pro.
Also have added a SSD plus a SSHD for better then PS4 Pro performance. prices's are In £ (would work out cheeper in the US as sales tax is lower).

[Profchaos]

I've owned the pro since launch I've also owned the base ps4 since launch. the answer is simple No... But that's ok.

I work in IT I use a pc all day my mates game on high end rigs but personally when I come home from work I don't even want to touch a pc.

The pro comes no where near high end graphics cards compare ps pro games to their pc counterparts they are still lacking in graphics even on a 1080 screen but they are not that weak either even the base ps4 holds up quite nicely still.

The pro is nice and I'm happy with it but it's no pc super rig it doesn't need to be I've been down that road before and wouldn't go back consoles are just comfortable that's the best way to describe it they are the apple of gaming things just work drivers don't have issues your card is never untested mods don't corrupt your game forcing a redownload etc it just works

[agent4532]

This is hilarious, today's consoles are nowhere near to what a gaming PC offers. The gap in terms of power and graphics performance is bigger on PC, that game developers are forced to dumb down or cut corners in order for console games to look good. Its modders that have put professional game developers to shame both visually and gameplay wise. Compare Fallout 4 regular version vs modded version or Watchdogs regular vs modded....

[Razzer]

I think piracy is what is holding PC gaming back. I love PC gaming. FPS suck on consoles. But the simple fact is there is more money to be made on consoles and piracy is a big reason.